Re: dpkg-statoverride: usage question.

[Rob Browning]

Wichert Akkerman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> He needs to ship it with whatever should be the default. Only if
> the default has to be changed should dpkg-statoverride be used,
> which can be either because the local admin wants something different,
> or because a debconf or postinst script asked the user what default
> he wants and he/she chooses something an option that happens to be
> different from the permissions/ownership used in the package.

OK.  I definitely misinterpreted, and I released the latest emacs20
package, just replacing suidregister with dpkg-statoverride :< I'll
release a fixed package shortly.

Thanks for clearing things up.

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Re: Bug#95975: mutt: doesn't use charset anymore

[Michael Stone]

On Thu, May 03, 2001 at 05:51:53PM -0700, Ben Gertzfield wrote:
> > "Paul" == Paul Seelig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> 
> Paul> I think that *mutt* is definitely broken in this regard,
> Paul> because *no* other console program i know (e.g. mc or pine)
> Paul> breaks like this using the very same libc. 
> 
> It's not just mutt.  GTK+ has the same problem. 

ls does the same thing. It's a fact of life; locales need to be
configured if you're not working in 7bit ASCII.

> The solution is to get LANG set to at least en_US by default for
> everyone, as LANG=C is just not useful any more.

LANG=C is useful for many people (works for me!) Changing the LANG to
en_US may have some unexpected side effects and should not be done
without at least some thought for the consequences. (E.g., the sort
order will be radically different.) Setting only LC_CTYPE is a
possibility, but that definately needs further discussion.

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Re: rfc1149

[Carlos Laviola]

On 04-May-2001 Christoph Simon wrote:
> On Thu, 03 May 2001 22:34:20 -0300 (BRT)
> Carlos Laviola <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
>> 
>> On 03-May-2001 Arthur Korn wrote:
>> > Adam Heath schrieb:
>> >> Um, "Free as a Bird" is a song, and copyrighted, so they can't go in
>> >> main.
>> > 
>> > Copyrighting old german proverbs? *shudder*
>> 
>> German? Worldwide, AFAICT. (At least in Brazil, and most other countries, a
>> white pigeon is a symbol of freedom and peace)
> 
> The german expression has a somewhat special history. Some centuries
> ago, a person could be declared to be "vogelfrei", as free as a bird,
> but in a not so romantic sense, as he would find himself disprovided
> of any kind of legal protection. If anybody wanted to harm or even
> kill him, he wouldn't be persecuted for that.

Wow! Interesting story... There are some people out there who need to be
declared "vogelfrei"... >:)

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Re: rfc1149

[Christoph Simon]

On Thu, 03 May 2001 22:34:20 -0300 (BRT)
Carlos Laviola <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> 
> On 03-May-2001 Arthur Korn wrote:
> > Adam Heath schrieb:
> >> Um, "Free as a Bird" is a song, and copyrighted, so they can't go in main.
> > 
> > Copyrighting old german proverbs? *shudder*
> 
> German? Worldwide, AFAICT. (At least in Brazil, and most other countries, a
> white pigeon is a symbol of freedom and peace)

The german expression has a somewhat special history. Some centuries
ago, a person could be declared to be "vogelfrei", as free as a bird,
but in a not so romantic sense, as he would find himself disprovided
of any kind of legal protection. If anybody wanted to harm or even
kill him, he wouldn't be persecuted for that.


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Re: Debconf and substitution in long description

[Simon Richter]

On Fri, 4 May 2001, Simon Richter wrote:

> While debconfiscating :-) uptimed, I also added a note to uprecords-cgi
> so that the sysadmin would be informed where the CGI would show up in his
> webtree. In this note, I'd like to use substitution, but this apparently
> doesn't work.

Addendum: The symptom is that ${hostname} is substituted by nothing.

   Simon (being up too late obviously)

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Re: rfc1149

[Carlos Laviola]

On 03-May-2001 Arthur Korn wrote:
> Adam Heath schrieb:
>> Um, "Free as a Bird" is a song, and copyrighted, so they can't go in main.
> 
> Copyrighting old german proverbs? *shudder*

German? Worldwide, AFAICT. (At least in Brazil, and most other countries, a
white pigeon is a symbol of freedom and peace)

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Debconf and substitution in long description

[Simon Richter]

Hi,

While debconfiscating :-) uptimed, I also added a note to uprecords-cgi
so that the sysadmin would be informed where the CGI would show up in his
webtree. In this note, I'd like to use substitution, but this apparently
doesn't work.

The templates file says:

Description: uprecords.cgi has been installed into the webtree
 You have installed the uprecords-cgi package. That means that a new CGI
 script has been installed, which is now visible to the outside world as
 http://${hostname}/cgi-bin/uprecords.cgi ...

The config script has:

hostname=`hostname --fqdn`
db_subst 'uprecords-cgi/install_note' hostname $hostname
db_input medium 'uprecords-cgi/install_note' || true

While this may not be a really important place, I'd still like it to
work. Any ideas what might be wrong?

   Simon

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Re: Bug#95975: mutt: doesn't use charset anymore

[Ben Gertzfield]

> "Paul" == Paul Seelig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

Paul> I think that *mutt* is definitely broken in this regard,
Paul> because *no* other console program i know (e.g. mc or pine)
Paul> breaks like this using the very same libc. 

It's not just mutt.  GTK+ has the same problem.  The solution is to
get LANG set to at least en_US by default for everyone, as LANG=C is
just not useful any more.

Owen Taylor, the GTK+ developer, has confirmed that this is a libc6
2.2 issue.  It just drops high ASCII characters for LANG=C now.

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Re: Bug#95975: mutt: doesn't use charset anymore

[Steve M. Robbins]

On Thu, May 03, 2001 at 05:31:34PM +0200, Marco d'Itri wrote:
> On May 02, Paul Slootman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>  >(*) I really hate it when people close bugs with a one-liner (or less)
>  >answer, without any substantiating motivation. Especially when parts of
> That's fair. I have when people keep reporting this as a bug even after
> it has been discussed many times in many other bug reports.

Err, but it's a bit hard to find the other bug reports if you keep
closing them!  ;-)

-S

Re: Debian job in Boston US [nowhere better to post?]

[Ben Collins]

On Thu, May 03, 2001 at 03:36:07AM -0400, Grant Taylor wrote:
> I asked a couple of developers, and there seems to be nowhere better
> to post until debian-jobs is up; sorry if this is annoying.

If you are willing to take a telecommuter, I am interested. I live in
the southeastern part of Virginia (Gloucester to be exact). My resume is
referenced below (I am a Debian developer).

http://marcus.seva.net/~bmc/resume/


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Re: Bug#95430 acknowledged by developer (Re: Bug#95430: ash: word-splitting changes break shell scripts)

[Rahul Jain]

On Thu, May 03, 2001 at 02:30:28PM -0500, Raja R Harinath wrote:
> 
> Maybe you want
> 
>   sh -c 'echo "x-${IFS}-x"'
> 
> Both Solaris 2.6 /bin/sh and Linux bash seem to have IFS set.
> 
> $ /bin/sh -c 'echo "x-${IFS}-x"'
> x- 
> -x
> 

Identical behavior with zsh from unstable here.

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Re: (OT) Storage (8*IDE HDs) any experiences?

[Matthew Sackman]

On Wed, May 02, 2001 at 03:24:53PM -0500, Dimitri Maziuk wrote:
> On Wed, May 02, 2001 at 08:18:20PM +0100, Matthew Sackman wrote:
> ...
> > 
> > Every production server that I've seen that has 2 PSUs has both
> > continuously running. At hopefully < 50% capacity. 
> 
> Interesting. Could you post the list of brand names/vendors so
> that we'll know what not to buy.

Well their design may have changed over the last year or so, but afaik,
Penguin Computing do this, and the other one that I know of I can't
remember the name of - a UK based company that custom builds servers.
Can't remember the name,  sorry.

If you're looking to purcahse a server for use as a co-location server
in a hosting company then be advised that they do not like dual power
inlet servers (will charge more), and they are also very concerned over
the size of your server. I.e. don't buy a dell poweredge cos they're too
big and you'll get charged more for them.

Also be aware that any decent power supply will have a quickblow internal
fuse, thus the fuse in the plug is redundant. In this case (and ONLY in
this case), it is safe to foil-wrap the fuse in the PLUG to ensure it
never blows. This way you can have redundant power supplies through one
inlet. Be ABSOLUTELY CERTAIN THAT THE PSUs ARE INTERNALLY FUSED.

If I were you, I would use a company that will custom build you a box,
basically using components you specify: i.e. down to the model number of
the mobo. That way, and only that way, can you be certain what you're
getting.

Personally, I'd build the server from scratch myself, but if you're not
happy doing that then get a company to build it for you. I would not go
for an off-the-shelf server.

> 
> ... Of
> > course, the irony is that as they are both routed to the same power
> > inlet, if the fuse in the plug goes then you're buggered anyway! :-)
> 
> Tip of the day: plug them into 2 different UPSen connected to separate 
> power lines (pref. separate circuits). 
> 
> Oh, and (since they sound like the kind of servers that come with
> monitors) don't plug monitors into UPSen.
> 

Um, nope. £6000 (uk pound) dual PIII 1Gb DRAM, U160 SCSI. Used by a very
professional web hosting company.


Hope this helps,

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Re: netbooted kernel.

[Herbert Xu]

Ola Lundqvist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> *5* Does anyone know if nfs-root can be in the standard-kernel
> without problem to boot from harddisk? I have not suceeded but then
> there were other problems to and I had little time...

On Linux, EtherBoot is able to load an initrd image so the present 2.4
images are sufficient.  On other architectures, the challenge will be
to find a boot loader that is capable of loading an initrd image, possibly
remotely.
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Re: Two debconf issues

[Jules Bean]

On Thu, May 03, 2001 at 05:00:29PM -0400, Joey Hess wrote:
> Wolfgang Sourdeau wrote:
> > > It might happen if there was a good reason, but nobody has suggested one 
> > > yet.
> > > I doubt there is one.
> > 
> > I have one. It's that dependency on perl makes owners of 486 machines die
> > of an heart-attack whenever an installation task has to occur...
> 
> Bollocks. Profile running perl sometime. Then profile running dpkg.

Let me second this.  Perl is very, very fast.

Perl is faster than most people's hand-crafted C code for certain
tasks (mainly pattern matching type tasks, also its associative array
implementation is pretty nippy).

On my 68020 machine, using a short perl script was an order of
magnitude faster than sed or awk, even for exactly the kind of pattern 
matching tasks that sed and awk are designed for.

Perl ain't your problem, it really ain't.

Jules

Re: Two debconf issues

[Adam Heath]

On Thu, 3 May 2001, Joey Hess wrote:

> Wolfgang Sourdeau wrote:
> > > It might happen if there was a good reason, but nobody has suggested one 
> > > yet.
> > > I doubt there is one.
> >
> > I have one. It's that dependency on perl makes owners of 486 machines die
> > of an heart-attack whenever an installation task has to occur...
>
> Bollocks. Profile running perl sometime. Then profile running dpkg.

profile dpkg 1.9.x, please.  Don't do it with 1.8.

I only say this, because 1.9 includes several fixes, gotten from profiling
data.

Re: Two debconf issues

[Joey Hess]

Wolfgang Sourdeau wrote:
> > It might happen if there was a good reason, but nobody has suggested one 
> > yet.
> > I doubt there is one.
> 
> I have one. It's that dependency on perl makes owners of 486 machines die
> of an heart-attack whenever an installation task has to occur...

Bollocks. Profile running perl sometime. Then profile running dpkg.

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Re: (OT) Storage (8*IDE HDs) any experiences? - diodes

[straylite]

At Thu, 3 May 2001 22:36:27 +0200 , Peter Bartosch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 

>hmm, mosfet doesn't make sense to me - IIRC they only work like switches 

A MOSFET is a type of field-effect transistor ... hence the "FET" part of the 
name -- it can be sued for much more than a switch.

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Re: Easy removal of tasks (was Re: Proposing task-debian)

[Joey Hess]

Anton Zinoviev wrote:
> Isn't it possible to integrate debfoster in apt?

I think apt is even supposed to have some kind of hooks for storing the
necessary info, they are just not used.

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Re: (OT) Storage (8*IDE HDs) any experiences? - diodes

[Peter Bartosch]

Hi!


> > at these extremes... the diodes wont helpand the dioes will simply
> > burn up due to the current it has to pass to get to that "voltage"
> > one side being a diode drop ( 0.7v ) across itself..
> > - a power mosfet is better suited ...

hmm, mosfet doesn't make sense to me - IIRC they only work like switches 

I think you should use "Shotkey-diods" the largest one i know could pass
200 ampere - and they've less than ~0.4V voltage drop



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Re: possible bug in gettext (autotools?) or in some packages

[Gustavo Noronha Silva]

Em Thu, 3 May 2001 13:04:07 -0300
Henrique M Holschuh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> escreveu:

> Yo KoV,
Yo hmh =)

> On Thu, 03 May 2001, Gustavo Noronha Silva wrote:
> > I noticed while creating a package for a gettext enabled program, that
> > make install was installing the .mo file as @INSTOBJEXT@
> 
> Well, file important bugs against those packages, telling them to fix their
> packages to refresh and use the debian-provided gettext instead of keeping
> the cruft from upstream around.
ok, I'll file bugs in the packages I find this problems tonight,
when I have more time to check wether this bugs were not already
filed

> Any Debian developer that needs to do this and doesn't know how, please feel
> free to contact me. I had a lot of misadventures with gettext lately in
> fetchmail, so I'm currently well-versed in the topic.
heh, you'll probably receive some requests from me ;)

> INSTOBJEXT doesn't even exist anymore in gettext 0.10.37...
that's the problem then =)

> > comments?
> Try installing the sid gettext package, and running gettextize -c -f in the
> broken package's top source directory (don't forget to run aclocal,
> autoheader and autoconf to rebuild the configure script using the updated
> gettext macros, or else all hell breaks loose). It just might fix the whole
> crap in one go, if the makefiles are sane. Be warned that the new gettext
> does not tolerate much of the broken crap people sometimes toss into .po
> files as the old one did (which is a Good Thing, btw).
ok, I'll try it in my package, thanks for the advice =)

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Re: possible bug in gettext (autotools?) or in some packages

[Gustavo Noronha Silva]

Em Thu, 3 May 2001 17:20:07 +0100
Paul Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> escreveu:

> On Thu, May 03, 2001 at 12:32:28PM -0300, Gustavo Noronha Silva wrote:
> Do you have gettext installed on the machine you're trying to build on?
> 
> I got exactly these symptoms until I installed gettext.

[EMAIL PROTECTED]/] # apt-get install gettext
Reading Package Lists... Done
Building Dependency Tree... Done
Sorry, gettext is already the newest version.
0 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 2  not upgraded.

well, I have it... it seems like an upstream problem, like hmh said...

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Re: Bug#96102: ITP: serpento -- dictd server written in python

[Radovan Garabik]

On Thu, May 03, 2001 at 12:42:35AM -0400, Joey Hess wrote:
> Radovan Garabik wrote:
> > serpento is a dict (RFC 2229) server
> > written in python.
> 
> Can it be run from inetd? I'm really dying for a dict server that can be

More or less, yes, it can, but currently it is a bit unusable
since it takes forever to start (it has to parse the index file(s),
and parsing is written in python - rewritting it in C is on my TODO list)

On my 600MHz PIII it takes about 15 seconds, with about 50 index 
files (20MB total size) in /usr/share/dictd

> run from inetd, since I run dict about 3 times a week, and my laptop is
> typically offline and has onlt 64mb core.

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Re: Bug#95430 acknowledged by developer (Re: Bug#95430: ash: word-splitting changes break shell scripts)

[Raja R Harinath]

Shaul Karl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Russ Allbery <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > windlord:~> printenv IFS
> > windlord:~> /bin/sh -c 'echo x-${IFS}-x'
> > x- -x
> > windlord:~> uname -a
> > SunOS windlord.stanford.edu 5.6 Generic_105181-19 sun4u sparc SUNW,Ultra-1
> > 
> > Looks set to me, although it appears to be set incorrectly.
>
> Incorrectly? Looks to me the same as with bash:
> [16:24:40 tmp]$ printenv IFS
> [16:24:46 tmp]$ bash -c 'echo x-${IFS}-x'
> x- -x
> [16:24:48 tmp]$ bash --version
> GNU bash, version 2.05.0(1)-release (i386-pc-linux-gnu)
> Copyright 2000 Free Software Foundation, Inc.
> [16:27:28 tmp]$ 
> 
> Ah, something might be wrong with the above tests:

Maybe you want

  sh -c 'echo "x-${IFS}-x"'

Both Solaris 2.6 /bin/sh and Linux bash seem to have IFS set.

$ /bin/sh -c 'echo "x-${IFS}-x"'
x- 
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Re: why dig ? I wanna use nslookup !

[Mike Dresser]

Daniel Stone wrote:

> On Sat, Apr 28, 2001 at 06:21:58PM +0200, David N. Welton wrote:
> > Adding readline support, while you're at it, would be really nice:-)
>
> And alias "quit" to "exit". :)

type.exit.you.dolt  A   127.0.0.1
quitIN  CNAME   type.exit.you.dolt.windsormachine.com.

Works nicely ;)

mike

Re: RFC: English translation list

[Joey Hess]

I've filed a wishlist bug to get this list made.

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Re: Bug#96102: ITP: serpento -- dictd server written in python

[Joey Hess]

Radovan Garabik wrote:
> serpento is a dict (RFC 2229) server
> written in python.

Can it be run from inetd? I'm really dying for a dict server that can be
run from inetd, since I run dict about 3 times a week, and my laptop is
typically offline and has onlt 64mb core.

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Re: package servers inconsistent?

[Matt Zimmerman]

On Thu, May 03, 2001 at 08:58:01PM +0200, Harald Dunkel wrote:

> > 
> > What about stable?  Removing the stable Packages file during an update
> > would make it impossible to do a network install.
> > 
> Not impossible. But the client would have to wait till the *.deb files have
> been mirrored completely and the new Package files are in place again.

Impossible during an update, I should have said.

> Probably you haven't made the experience yet, what happens during the upgrade
> over a small ISDN line (which is _not_ free here in Germany, even if its a
> local call). Downloading the Package files takes about 4 minutes.  If I do an
> upgrade once per week, then I have to download (lets say) 50 MBytes or 150
> packages, which takes about 2 hours. Currently I have no way to check whether
> all *.deb files are available on the server, i.e. I have to wait up to 2
> hours for an error message.

Note that ISDN is billed per-minute in the US also.  What I have done here is
to learn the mirror cycle, and set up my cron job to update each day after I am
reasonably sure that the mirror update has completed.  Here (EDT), that is
about 18:00.

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Re: package servers inconsistent?

[Harald Dunkel]

Matt Zimmerman wrote:
> 
> On Wed, May 02, 2001 at 10:33:27PM +0200, Harald Dunkel wrote:
> 
> > Matt Zimmerman wrote:
> > > [...]
> >
> > Maybe its too difficult to provide consistent package files for the short
> > window while the mirror updates are running. No cons.
> >
> > But is it possible to set some kind of flag to indicate that I am probably
> > downloading just some inconsistent files and that I should wait till the
> > update of the mirror is complete? I have no problem with waiting, but
> > currently I can just try and check whether there was an error.
> 
> It would be pretty simple to create a file to indicate this condition, which
> could be tested for when doing an update.  However, I don't see how it would
> provide any additional information over the error messages from missing
> packages. 

I guess it is obvious that downloading several MBytes to get an error message
is not very efficient. The bandwidth could be better used to speed up the 
upgrade of your mirrors.

> After all, if the user's upgrade will only fetch a few packages,
> it's likely that the packages they want are already in place, and their 
> upgrade
> would be successful (especially if these packages happen to fall at the
> beginning of the alphabet).
> 
Like the XWindow packages? :-) Please remember that the complete upgrade 
fails even if the very last package is missing.

> I disagree; a packages file (even without any associated .debs) is useful; it
> gives a list of packages, descriptions, dependencies, and other information.
> It can be used to determine whether there are any new packages to download, or
> to find whether a package exists.  It would be annoying to lose this
> functionality during a mirror update.

Sure, but all this information is already in the Package files I have 
downloaded 
from a consistent server on the previous run. The new Package files might
contain information about some *.deb files that I am not yet allowed to
download, which is very frustrating.

> 
> What about stable?  Removing the stable Packages file during an update would
> make it impossible to do a network install.
> 
Not impossible. But the client would have to wait till the *.deb files have
been mirrored completely and the new Package files are in place again.

Removing the Package files is just one way to indicate that the mirror is
in an inconsistent state. As written before, I would suggest to set a
small flag file. If this file exists, then an mirror upgrade is running.
It even might contain a message to be displayed at the client.

Probably you haven't made the experience yet, what happens during the
upgrade over a small ISDN line (which is _not_ free here in Germany, even 
if its a local call). Downloading the Package files takes about 4 minutes. 
If I do an upgrade once per week, then I have to download (lets say) 
50 MBytes or 150 packages, which takes about 2 hours. Currently I have 
no way to check whether all *.deb files are available on the server,
i.e. I have to wait up to 2 hours for an error message.


Regards

Harri

Re: Debian job in Boston US [nowhere better to post?]

[Christian Surchi]

On Thu, May 03, 2001 at 12:50:06PM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote:
> On Thu, May 03, 2001 at 03:36:07AM -0400, Grant Taylor wrote:
> >   We're seeking a Debian developer to own our in-house customized
> >   Debian network
> 
> K00L!11!1!11!1   G3771N6 P41D 2 0WN 80X3N 1Z L33T!!!111!!

Can I have a box to own in *my* house? I'll take care of it! ;-)

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Re: Debian job in Boston US [nowhere better to post?]

[Branden Robinson]

On Thu, May 03, 2001 at 03:36:07AM -0400, Grant Taylor wrote:
>   We're seeking a Debian developer to own our in-house customized
>   Debian network

K00L!11!1!11!1   G3771N6 P41D 2 0WN 80X3N 1Z L33T!!!111!!

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Re: Runlevel for powersaving

[Brendan O'Dea]

On Wed, May 02, 2001 at 02:01:26PM -0400, Alan Shutko wrote:
>Arthur Korn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
>> Looking at apmd(8), it seems "change power" would fit, but
>> unfortunately it doesn't tell you wheter AC was plugged in or
>> out.
>
>Your script could query `apm | grep on-line` or something.

The apmd package contains a little program called /usr/bin/on_ac_power
to determine the AC/battery status.

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Re: Two debconf issues

[Wolfgang Sourdeau]

> It might happen if there was a good reason, but nobody has suggested one yet.
> I doubt there is one.

I have one. It's that dependency on perl makes owners of 486 machines die
of an heart-attack whenever an installation task has to occur...


Wolfgang

Re: possible bug in gettext (autotools?) or in some packages

[Paul Martin]

On Thu, May 03, 2001 at 12:32:28PM -0300, Gustavo Noronha Silva wrote:

> so I checked /usr/share/locale/pt_BR/LC_MESSAGES and noticed that
> rpm and gtk+licq had also this problem. The problem is also happening
> to other languages too as /usr/share/locale/fr/LC_MESSAGES/ has a
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]@...

Do you have gettext installed on the machine you're trying to build on?

I got exactly these symptoms until I installed gettext.

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Re: possible bug in gettext (autotools?) or in some packages

[Henrique M Holschuh]

Yo KoV,

On Thu, 03 May 2001, Gustavo Noronha Silva wrote:
> I noticed while creating a package for a gettext enabled program, that
> make install was installing the .mo file as @INSTOBJEXT@

Well, file important bugs against those packages, telling them to fix their
packages to refresh and use the debian-provided gettext instead of keeping
the cruft from upstream around.

Any Debian developer that needs to do this and doesn't know how, please feel
free to contact me. I had a lot of misadventures with gettext lately in
fetchmail, so I'm currently well-versed in the topic.

> I just changed po/Makefile.in.in to match:
> INSTOBJEXT=.mo
> instead of
> INSTOBJEXT= @INSTOBJEXT@

INSTOBJEXT doesn't even exist anymore in gettext 0.10.37...

> but I don't think that's clean enough...
You're right. It isn't :)

> comments?
Try installing the sid gettext package, and running gettextize -c -f in the
broken package's top source directory (don't forget to run aclocal,
autoheader and autoconf to rebuild the configure script using the updated
gettext macros, or else all hell breaks loose). It just might fix the whole
crap in one go, if the makefiles are sane. Be warned that the new gettext
does not tolerate much of the broken crap people sometimes toss into .po
files as the old one did (which is a Good Thing, btw).

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Re: dm management of wm listings (kdm/gdm/etc..)

[Noah L. Meyerhans]

On Thu, May 03, 2001 at 05:20:55PM +0200, Michel Dänzer wrote:
> > Since every window manager / session manager is already registered with
> > the alternatives system, I see no reason why the other display managers
> > can't do what wdm already does.  It includes a script, update_wdm_wmlist
> > which essentially just greps the output of 'update-alternatives
> > --display x-window-manager' and 'update-alternatives --display
> > x-session-manager' and populates its menu based on that.
> 
> Does this handle window managers which are installed after wdm, and if yes
> how?

It does.  /etc/init.d/wdm checks for 'auto-update-wmlist' in
/etc/X11/wdm/wdm.options.  If found, it runs the script to update the
menu entry (found in /etc/X11/wdm/wdm-config).

It does the same thing in /etc/X11/wdm/Xreset, so when an X session
ends, the menu is updated with any changes before wdm comes up again.

noah

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possible bug in gettext (autotools?) or in some packages

[Gustavo Noronha Silva]

Hello Debian friends,

I noticed while creating a package for a gettext enabled program, that
make install was installing the .mo file as @INSTOBJEXT@
so I checked /usr/share/locale/pt_BR/LC_MESSAGES and noticed that
rpm and gtk+licq had also this problem. The problem is also happening
to other languages too as /usr/share/locale/fr/LC_MESSAGES/ has a
[EMAIL PROTECTED]@...

it seems to me that gettext(or autotools) variable substitution is
not happening the right way...

I just changed po/Makefile.in.in to match:
INSTOBJEXT=.mo
instead of
INSTOBJEXT= @INSTOBJEXT@

but I don't think that's clean enough...

comments?

[]s!

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Re: Bug#95975: mutt: doesn't use charset anymore

[Marco d'Itri]

On May 02, Paul Slootman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

 >Well, (as I wrote), mutt's manual.txt says that the charset setting is
 >used for that.
This is your interpretation of the manual.

 >>  >So what's the point of the charset setting? After all, the manual.txt
 >> It tells mutt about which charaset you are typing.
 >
 >The exact quote from the docs is:
 >
 >  Character set your terminal uses to display and enter textual data.
 >
 >Note the "display" in addition to "enter". So not only:
 >
 >> It tells mutt about which charaset you are typing.
 >
 >but also what can be displayed.
Do you know any terminal type for which this is not the same?
I agree it may be confusing, if you can think of a better wording please
submit a patch to [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 >(*) I really hate it when people close bugs with a one-liner (or less)
 >answer, without any substantiating motivation. Especially when parts of
That's fair. I have when people keep reporting this as a bug even after
it has been discussed many times in many other bug reports.

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Re: dinstall problem?

[Ron Farrer]

Julian Gilbey ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:

> And just drop a note to [EMAIL PROTECTED] to do it ;-)

Yup, already done. Although the developers-reference says to mail the
.changes file (section 10.4, last paragraph.)

Ron

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Re: dm management of wm listings (kdm/gdm/etc..)

[Michel Dänzer]

"Noah L. Meyerhans" wrote:
> 
> On Thu, May 03, 2001 at 03:11:19AM -0600, Ivan E. Moore II wrote:
> >   Problem:  Desktop Managers like kdm and gdm support Window Manager
> >   listings so that users can choose what they want to login in using. 
> >   There currently is no common way for wm's to register themselves with
> >   each/any/all dm's that may be installed on the system.
> 
> Since every window manager / session manager is already registered with
> the alternatives system, I see no reason why the other display managers
> can't do what wdm already does.  It includes a script, update_wdm_wmlist
> which essentially just greps the output of 'update-alternatives
> --display x-window-manager' and 'update-alternatives --display
> x-session-manager' and populates its menu based on that.

Does this handle window managers which are installed after wdm, and if yes
how?


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Re: ITH (Intent To Hijack) pilot-manager

[Michael Banck]

On Wed, May 02, 2001 at 05:22:57PM -0700, Chris Waters wrote:
> On Wed, May 02, 2001 at 02:07:29PM -0700, Darren/Torin/Who Ever... wrote:
^
> Hi, Darren, glad to know you're still around and in one piece.  I was
> starting to get a little worried.

Looks like he's coming along in several pieces now.

Michael

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Re: Q about g++-3 and template instantiation

[Ilya Martynov]

>> Why use 'preprocessor switch'? AFAIK g++-2 should hanlde correct
>> syntax too (without keyword 'template'). At least version 2.95.3 does
>> compiles your example code with 'template' removed. Did you tried to
>> compile your application with g++-2 with 'template' removed where it
>> should be removed? If it will not compile and link I will be
>> surprised.

DEK> Yes, I tried it in g++-2 without 'template', and it compiles fine, but
DEK> the application won't link that way.  It makes errors like the
DEK> following, with g++2.96.  That's why I put in the things to test which
DEK> g++ I have.  Thanks again for the help.  Dan.

DEK> stats.o: In function `__default_alloc_template::_Lock::~_Lock(void)':
DEK> /usr/include/g++-3/stl_alloc.h(.void gnu.linkonce.t.sort(double 
*, double *)+0x4c): undefined reference to `void __introsort_loop(double *, double *, double *, int)'
DEK> /usr/include/g++-3/stl_alloc.h(.void gnu.linkonce.t.sort(double 
*, double *)+0x5d): undefined reference to `void __final_insertion_sort(double *, double *)'

I see. It is hard to tell what's wrong with it without look at
sources. It could be gcc bug.  AFAIK 2.95.xx versions had quite buggy
support for templates. It seems that you will have to use
'preprocessor switch' for compatiblity with old gcc.

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Re: dm management of wm listings (kdm/gdm/etc..)

[Noah L. Meyerhans]

On Thu, May 03, 2001 at 03:11:19AM -0600, Ivan E. Moore II wrote:
>   Problem:  Desktop Managers like kdm and gdm support Window Manager listings
> so that users can choose what they want to login in using.  There
> currently is no common way for wm's to register themselves with
> each/any/all dm's that may be installed on the system.  

Since every window manager / session manager is already registered with
the alternatives system, I see no reason why the other display managers
can't do what wdm already does.  It includes a script, update_wdm_wmlist
which essentially just greps the output of 'update-alternatives
--display x-window-manager' and 'update-alternatives --display
x-session-manager' and populates its menu based on that.

Since all window managers and desktop environments are already
registered with the alternatives system, I don't see any reason to
complicate things any further.

noah -- wdm maintainer

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Re: Q about g++-3 and template instantiation

[Dan E. Kelley]

> Why use 'preprocessor switch'? AFAIK g++-2 should hanlde correct
> syntax too (without keyword 'template'). At least version 2.95.3 does
> compiles your example code with 'template' removed. Did you tried to
> compile your application with g++-2 with 'template' removed where it
> should be removed? If it will not compile and link I will be
> surprised.

Yes, I tried it in g++-2 without 'template', and it compiles fine, but
the application won't link that way.  It makes errors like the
following, with g++2.96.  That's why I put in the things to test which
g++ I have.  Thanks again for the help.  Dan.

stats.o: In function `__default_alloc_template::_Lock::~_Lock(void)':
/usr/include/g++-3/stl_alloc.h(.void gnu.linkonce.t.sort(double *, 
double *)+0x4c): undefined reference to `void __introsort_loop(double *, double *, double *, int)'
/usr/include/g++-3/stl_alloc.h(.void gnu.linkonce.t.sort(double *, 
double *)+0x5d): undefined reference to `void __final_insertion_sort(double *, double *)'


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Re: Q about g++-3 and template instantiation

[Ilya Martynov]

DEK> Ilya, thanks VERY MUCH.  This solved my problem in a flash.  My
DEK> application (38 thousand lines, compared to the 6 lines of my
DEK> test-file) now compiles and links properly in g++-3, and, with a
DEK> preprocessor switch, in g++-2 as well.  In case other folks are
DEK> interested, below is how I now do it (sorry that I test for __GNUC__;
DEK> this code is meant to work for many other compilers as well) ...

DEK>   #if defined(__GNUC__)

DEK>   #if __GNUC__ == 3

DEK>   void
DEK>   std::reverse(std::vector::iterator, 
std::vector::iterator);

DEK>   #else

DEK>   template void
DEK>   std::reverse(std::vector::iterator, 
std::vector::iterator);

DEK>   #endif

DEK>   #endif

Why use 'preprocessor switch'? AFAIK g++-2 should hanlde correct
syntax too (without keyword 'template'). At least version 2.95.3 does
compiles your example code with 'template' removed. Did you tried to
compile your application with g++-2 with 'template' removed where it
should be removed? If it will not compile and link I will be
surprised.

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Re: Q about g++-3 and template instantiation

[Ben Collins]

On Thu, May 03, 2001 at 11:36:05AM -0300, Dan E. Kelley wrote:
> Ilya, thanks VERY MUCH.  This solved my problem in a flash.  My
> application (38 thousand lines, compared to the 6 lines of my
> test-file) now compiles and links properly in g++-3, and, with a
> preprocessor switch, in g++-2 as well.  In case other folks are
> interested, below is how I now do it (sorry that I test for __GNUC__;
> this code is meant to work for many other compilers as well) ...
> 
>   #if defined(__GNUC__)
> 
>   #if __GNUC__ == 3
> 
>   void
>   std::reverse(std::vector::iterator, std::vector::iterator);
> 
>   #else
> 
>   template void
>   std::reverse(std::vector::iterator, std::vector::iterator);
> 
>   #endif
> 
>   #endif

You could probably reduce this to:

#if defined __GNUC__ && __GNUC__ < 3
template
#endif
void std::reverse(std::vector::iterator, std::vector::iterator);

Just FYI :)

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Re: Q about g++-3 and template instantiation

[Dan E. Kelley]

Ilya, thanks VERY MUCH.  This solved my problem in a flash.  My
application (38 thousand lines, compared to the 6 lines of my
test-file) now compiles and links properly in g++-3, and, with a
preprocessor switch, in g++-2 as well.  In case other folks are
interested, below is how I now do it (sorry that I test for __GNUC__;
this code is meant to work for many other compilers as well) ...

  #if defined(__GNUC__)

  #if __GNUC__ == 3

  void
  std::reverse(std::vector::iterator, std::vector::iterator);

  #else

  template void
  std::reverse(std::vector::iterator, std::vector::iterator);

  #endif

  #endif


Thanks very much for the help, delivered so quickly!!

Dan.

On 3 May 2001, Ilya Martynov wrote:

> Date: 03 May 2001 17:50:45 +0400
> From: Ilya Martynov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: Dan Kelley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Cc: debian-devel@lists.debian.org
> Subject: Re: Q about g++-3 and template instantiation
>
>
> DEK> Attached is a 6-line C++ test program (which does nothing more than
> DEK> instantiate templates) that compiles in g++-2, with
>
> DEK> g++ -c test-template.cc
>
> DEK> but for which g++-3 yields the error messages:
>
> DEK> test-template.cc:4: non-template used as template
> DEK> test-template.cc:6: non-template used as template
>
> DEK> QUESTION: am I doing something wrong?
>
> As I understand you want to define specialization of template
> function? (I hope I chosed right English words). Specialization of
> template function is no longer template - it is function. So you
> should not use 'template' keyword. Just remove it.
>
>

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Re: dm management of wm listings (kdm/gdm/etc..)

[Sam Hartman]

> "Ivan" == Ivan E Moore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

Ivan>   Solution?: create a program (update-dm?) that would pull
Ivan> the current list of window/session-managers installed on the
Ivan> system and build the appropriate config files for whichever

You should probably consider whether this program ought to simply be
update-menu.  Is there any reason not to have a menu of window
managers?  You could then have the method for the DM only pull window
managers.  Note this is a serious question; there may well be many
good reasons this is a bad idea.

netbooted kernel.

[Ola Lundqvist]

Hi

I want to ask you what you think of the netbooted kernel(packages?)
I inted to package.

There are a couple of issues:

*1* Should I use the "standard" configuration and add the
nfsroot thing and then compile. This means a lot of packages.
Or should I make one generic packge (for i386, and let other
compile it for other archs).

*2* What should it be named. kernel-image-netboot-kernelver?

*3* What network drivers should be loaded?
I know of netboot support for EtherExpressPro (the one I have)
but what else should be enabled?

If the list of devices is less than X this is probably something
that is ok to do... or? (and what should that X be?)

*4* Should I instead encourage people to compile their own kernel
to enable netboot support? With specific instructions on how to
do that.

*5* Does anyone know if nfs-root can be in the standard-kernel
without problem to boot from harddisk? I have not suceeded but then
there were other problems to and I had little time...

Best regards,

// Ola

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Re: Q about g++-3 and template instantiation

[Ilya Martynov]

DEK> Attached is a 6-line C++ test program (which does nothing more than
DEK> instantiate templates) that compiles in g++-2, with

DEK> g++ -c test-template.cc

DEK> but for which g++-3 yields the error messages:

DEK> test-template.cc:4: non-template used as template
DEK> test-template.cc:6: non-template used as template

DEK> QUESTION: am I doing something wrong?

As I understand you want to define specialization of template
function? (I hope I chosed right English words). Specialization of
template function is no longer template - it is function. So you
should not use 'template' keyword. Just remove it.

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Re: rfc1149

[Daniel Burrows]

On Thu, May 03, 2001 at 02:09:55PM +0100, Paul Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> was 
heard to say:
> Rumours have it that Microsoft are going to embrace and extend this
> protocol using battery hens, with the "enterprise" version using
> roosters.

  Nah, I think they'll just hire some falconers.

  Daniel

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Re: searchin' for Robert van der Meulen [Mailer-Daemon@smtp.cistron.nl: Mail delivery failed: returning message to sender]

[Robert van der Meulen]

Hi,

Quoting Josip Rodin ([EMAIL PROTECTED]):
> Here's a bug closing message with two bugs in it. First, the closes are done
> with 'close nnn' command which is not nice to the submitters, and second,
> the address [EMAIL PROTECTED] bounces.
These were NMU-fixed bugs with a 'fixed' tag that weren't closed yet.
I was under the impression that setting a bug to 'fixed' already contacts
the submitter, so they can be 'acknowledged' and closed by the actual
maintainer afterwards, without contacting the original submitters.
Right or wrong?

Greets,
Robert

p.s. As wichert's message stated - the bounce problem was NIS-related, and
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Re: Bug#95430 acknowledged by developer (Re: Bug#95430: ash: word-splitting changes break shell scripts)

[Shaul Karl]

> Herbert Xu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> 
> > Not only does that show that Solaris 2.6's shell does not set IFS,
> 
> windlord:~> printenv IFS
> windlord:~> /bin/sh -c 'echo x-${IFS}-x'
> x- -x
> windlord:~> uname -a
> SunOS windlord.stanford.edu 5.6 Generic_105181-19 sun4u sparc SUNW,Ultra-1
> 
> Looks set to me, although it appears to be set incorrectly.
> 



Incorrectly? Looks to me the same as with bash:
[16:24:40 tmp]$ printenv IFS
[16:24:46 tmp]$ bash -c 'echo x-${IFS}-x'
x- -x
[16:24:48 tmp]$ bash --version
GNU bash, version 2.05.0(1)-release (i386-pc-linux-gnu)
Copyright 2000 Free Software Foundation, Inc.
[16:27:28 tmp]$ 

Ah, something might be wrong with the above tests:
[16:35:41 tmp]$ set | grep IFS
IFS=$' \t\n'
[16:35:59 tmp]$ 



> Solaris's /bin/sh isn't a particularly good example, as it's one of the
> most completely broken Bourne shells shipped with a modern OS.  It doesn't
> even try to be POSIX-compliant.
> 
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Q about g++-3 and template instantiation

[Dan E. Kelley]

I'm the author of `gri' (gri.sourceforge.net), which is packaged in
Debian.  I'm porting gri to g++-3 in preparation to Debian's (and everyone
else's) eventual move to that compiler and I'm having some problems.
Perhaps someone on this list could help?  I hope it's not rude of me to be
asking this here, but perhaps asking the question will help others in the
Debian project.  My question is below.

Attached is a 6-line C++ test program (which does nothing more than
instantiate templates) that compiles in g++-2, with

g++ -c test-template.cc

but for which g++-3 yields the error messages:

test-template.cc:4: non-template used as template
test-template.cc:6: non-template used as template

QUESTION: am I doing something wrong?

Dan E. Kelley phone:(902)494-1694
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#include 
#include 

template void std::reverse(std::vector::iterator, 
std::vector::iterator);

template void std::sort(std::vector::iterator, 
std::vector::iterator);

Re: rfc1149

[Paul Martin]

On Thu, May 03, 2001 at 05:04:06PM +1000, Sam Couter wrote:
> 
> Taxonomically, pigeons and doves are the same.
> Both are members of the order Columbiformes, family Columbidae. The term dove
> is generally used for smaller species with pointed tails. "Pigeon" refers to 
> the
> larger species with square or rounded tails.
> 

gdb adoption

[Domenico Andreoli]

hi Vincent!

i'd like a lot to take the maintainment of gdb, are you still
maintaining it? i see an update long time ago, it has now some
problems and it isn't going into testing.

thanks :))

ps: i'm preparing a patch that make it almost lintian clean

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Re: Easy removal of tasks (was Re: Proposing task-debian)

[Anton Zinoviev]

On  2.V.2001 at 15:09 Sam Powers wrote:
> On Wednesday 02 May 2001 13:51, Simon Law wrote:
> > apt-get install { -remove }
> >
> > which happens to be REALLY ugly.  Better to have apt-get support
> > task-removals.  For example:
> >
> > apt-get remove --remove-task [--purge] {  }
> >
> > Simon
> 
> I think Roland's suggestion[1] of a new Installed-by: field in the apt 
> database is much cleaner, and could be used later on to make removing package 
> groups much simpler.
> 
> [1] http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-0105/msg00082.html

Isn't it possible to integrate debfoster in apt?

Anton Zinoviev, [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: searchin' for Robert van der Meulen [Mailer-Daemon@smtp.cistron.nl: Mail delivery failed: returning message to sender]

[Wichert Akkerman]

Previously Josip Rodin wrote:
> Here's a bug closing message with two bugs in it. First, the closes are done
> with 'close nnn' command which is not nice to the submitters, and second,
> the address [EMAIL PROTECTED] bounces.

That was a NIS failure on the mailserver for cistron.nl, already fixed last
night.

Wichert.

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[Josip Rodin]

Hi,

Here's a bug closing message with two bugs in it. First, the closes are done
with 'close nnn' command which is not nice to the submitters, and second,
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> close 56102
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Re: rfc1149

[Tollef Fog Heen]

* Daniel Burrows 

|   Actually, I think it has been implemented recently.  I think maybe a
| Debian package would have to go into contrib though, unless you can find a
| way to squeeze pigeons into a .deb ;-)

I just talked with the guy who did most of the work on IRC and he is
(probably) going to fix the package up a little bit, so that it will
actually be possible to package it.

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Re: (OT) Storage (8*IDE HDs) any experiences? - diodes

[Hamish Moffatt]

On Wed, May 02, 2001 at 04:49:27PM -0700, Alvin Oga wrote:
> the diodes need to be power diodes... vs signal diodes 
> 
> given you cannot tie the power supplies at two diff voltages together...
> you have to isolate it somehow... ( the power diode method )

I'm a bit hazy on how this actually works, but I would guess that
each supply's output goes through a diode (forward biased) and
the lower potential sides of the diodes would be connected.
Thus not much current flows back the other way.

> but more importantly, its primary purpose is to allow for the 
> two power supply at different voltages ( +5.25v  and +4.75v ) to be tied
> together
> 
> at these extremes... the diodes wont helpand the dioes will simply
> burn up due to the current it has to pass to get to that "voltage"
> one side being a diode drop ( 0.7v ) across itself..
>   - a power mosfet is better suited ...

You will need some large diodes and you may well need cooling
ie heatsinks.

Hamish
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Re: rfc1149

[Hamish Moffatt]

On Wed, May 02, 2001 at 09:50:01PM +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 11 years ago IETF described a IP protocol to transport IP datagrams using
> pigeons. See

There's a lot more interesting ones than that. Last year, an RFC
described transmission of electricity over IP.

I like the one which describes the SONET to sonnet translation.


Hamish
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Re: (OT) Storage (8*IDE HDs) any experiences?

[Hamish Moffatt]

On Wed, May 02, 2001 at 11:21:49PM +0200, PiotR wrote:
> On Wed, May 02, 2001 at 08:30:10AM +1000, Hamish Moffatt wrote:
> > In power combining applications like these, balancing diodes
> > or resistors are usually used. It's not good just to connect
> > the outputs together.
> 
> What's the difference between those and a standard diode?

Nothing. I was just referring to their application. Just like
you have decoupling or bypass capacitors; they're just capacitors,
with a particular application named.

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Re: Two debconf issues

[Hamish Moffatt]

On Tue, May 01, 2001 at 05:04:12PM -0700, David Whedon wrote:
> debconf.  There has been discussion of making perl not required, but it 
> remains
> to be seen if that will happen.

It might happen if there was a good reason, but nobody has suggested one yet.
I doubt there is one.


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Re: dm management of wm listings (kdm/gdm/etc..)

[Michel Dänzer]

Sven LUTHER wrote:
> 
> On Thu, May 03, 2001 at 03:11:19AM -0600, Ivan E. Moore II wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > Branden and I discussed the issue of dm's that have wm lists to choose
> > from several months ago.  At that time he thought that maybe the
> > update-menu type of approach would be a good way to solve this.  I'd like
> > to restate what my understanding of the problem and current suggested
> > solution and see what people think.  (and then find out where we go next
> > from here)
> >
> >   Problem:  Desktop Managers like kdm and gdm support Window Manager
> > listing so that users can choose what they want to login in
> > using.  There currently is no common way for wm's to register
> > themselves with each/any/all dm's that may be installed on the
> > system.
> 
> mmm, here you are talking the graphical login prompt (don't know it's
> propper name)

Display Manager (dm)

> who ask for what kind of session you are wanting. As an example, gdm
> currently proposes to launch gnome-session, whatever is in Xsession or xsm.
> 
> Note that these are no window managers? For the gnome session, you can then
> choose the window-manager in the control center.

gnome-session, startkde and whatnot _are_ window managers as far as the dm is
concerned.


AFAICT Ivan's approach is good if menu can't be (ab)used for this purpose.


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Re: dm management of wm listings (kdm/gdm/etc..)

[Arthur Korn]

Ivan E. Moore II schrieb:
> I think that this method would probably reduce the amount of possible 
> duplication as long as the update-dm script pulled it's wm listing from
> /var/lib/dpkg/alternatives/x-window-manager for example.  That way the only
> change any wm would have to do is add a call to update-dm in it's postinst.
> All dm's that would use this feature would then create a custom file and
> install it into /etc/X11/dm (for example) and run update-dm in it's postinst
> as well.

Have a look at update_wdm_wmlist, it get's a list of WMs by
looking at the x-{window,session}-manager alternatives.

Using the menu system's "needs=wm" entries would probably yield
too long titles for WDM.

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Re: rfc1149

[Arthur Korn]

Adam Heath schrieb:
> Um, "Free as a Bird" is a song, and copyrighted, so they can't go in main.

Copyrighting old german proverbs? *shudder*

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Re: dm management of wm listings (kdm/gdm/etc..)

[Bernhard R. Link]

On Thu, 3 May 2001, Ivan E. Moore II wrote:

>   Problem:  Desktop Managers like kdm and gdm support Window Manager listings
> so that users can choose what they want to login in using.  There
> currently is no common way for wm's to register themselves with
> each/any/all dm's that may be installed on the system.
>
>   Solution?: create a program (update-dm?) that would pull the current list


Why not use the Menu System. There are already items for changing the
current window manager like

?package(icewm):command="/usr/bin/X11/icewm" icon="none" needs="wm" \
   section="WindowManagers" title="IceWM"

which most of the small and nice Window-Managers implement cleanly.  (At
least in potato)

Why not us this info?


Hochachtungsvoll,
  Bernhard R. Link

(I already thought of changing wdm to use this, when I'm done with the
strange radius/nis-combination I have to cope with actually).

Re: dm management of wm listings (kdm/gdm/etc..)

[Sven LUTHER]

On Thu, May 03, 2001 at 03:11:19AM -0600, Ivan E. Moore II wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> Branden and I discussed the issue of dm's that have wm lists to choose 
> from several months ago.  At that time he thought that maybe the update-menu
> type of approach would be a good way to solve this.  I'd like to restate what
> my understanding of the problem and current suggested solution and see what
> people think.  (and then find out where we go next from here)
> 
>   Problem:  Desktop Managers like kdm and gdm support Window Manager listings
> so that users can choose what they want to login in using.  There
> currently is no common way for wm's to register themselves with
> each/any/all dm's that may be installed on the system.  

mmm, here you are talking the graphical login prompt (don't know it's propper
name) who ask for what kind of session you are wanting. As an example, gdm
currently proposes to launch gnome-session, whatever is in Xsession or xsm.

Note that these are no window managers? For the gnome session, you can then
choose the window-manager in the control center. Is it this you are speaking
about ?

Friendly,

sven Luther

wnpp: ITP: ispellcat, catalan dictionary for ispell and wordlist

[Agustín Martín Domingo]

Package: wnpp
Version: N/A
Severity: wishlist

(Already submitted to the BTS as a bug to wnpp)

ispellcat is a catalan dictionary for ispell, also containing a
wordlist.

This would generate two packages,

icatalan: The ispell dictionary
wcatalan: The wordlist

License: DFSG compliant. I am still fine tuning the exact flavour with
upstream author (that is, translating "do with the package what you find
more convenient" to a more formal licence with author approval).

Downloaded from 

http://www.lsi.upc.es/~valiente/tug-catalan.html

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Re: dinstall problem?

[Julian Gilbey]

On Wed, May 02, 2001 at 10:56:54PM -0700, Ron Farrer wrote:
> Yup, and herein lies my mistake. I said to close an already closed bug
> (doh!) What I REALLY meant to do was close #93109, I'll take care of
> that later. Had I bothered to notice the bug was under a DIFFERENT
> number, that would have been ok. Ohh well, not the end of the
> world...

And just drop a note to [EMAIL PROTECTED] to do it ;-)

   Julian

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dm management of wm listings (kdm/gdm/etc..)

[Ivan E. Moore II]

Hi,

Branden and I discussed the issue of dm's that have wm lists to choose 
from several months ago.  At that time he thought that maybe the update-menu
type of approach would be a good way to solve this.  I'd like to restate what
my understanding of the problem and current suggested solution and see what
people think.  (and then find out where we go next from here)

  Problem:  Desktop Managers like kdm and gdm support Window Manager listings
so that users can choose what they want to login in using.  There
currently is no common way for wm's to register themselves with
each/any/all dm's that may be installed on the system.  

  Solution?: create a program (update-dm?) that would pull the current list
 of window/session-managers installed on the system and build the
 appropriate config files for whichever dm's are currently 
 installed.  Use the update-menu's approach to things where each
 dm would supply a method file from which the update-dm program
 would know how to properly build it's config file.

I think that this method would probably reduce the amount of possible 
duplication as long as the update-dm script pulled it's wm listing from
/var/lib/dpkg/alternatives/x-window-manager for example.  That way the only
change any wm would have to do is add a call to update-dm in it's postinst.
All dm's that would use this feature would then create a custom file and
install it into /etc/X11/dm (for example) and run update-dm in it's postinst
as well.

comments?

Ivan
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Re: ITP: serpento -- dictd server written in python

[Radovan Garabik]

On Wed, May 02, 2001 at 02:17:40PM -0500, David Starner wrote:
> On Wed, May 02, 2001 at 09:04:29PM +0200, Radovan Garabik wrote:
> > Package: wnpp
> > Severity: wishlist
> > 
> > serpento is a dict (RFC 2229) server
> > written in python.
> > 
> > I am the author, package is already ready and being 
> > duploaded.
> 
> Cool. The description will mention the differences between it and
> dictd, won't it?

It is all in README
basically, it is.. uhm.. different :-)

>  
> > License: GPL, with the addition: It can be linked with
> > whatever you want, without any restrictions.
> > (so that I can have a module in C there.. sigh)
> 
> There's much cleaner ways of doing this, if you just want to link 
> with one module. If you send a more detailed description to 
> debian-legal, I'm sure we can give advice. If it's just Python, 
> I'd say "with the exception that it can be linked with Python". 
> The LGPL is about the same as your current license, but a lot 
> clearer.

I know, I meant this as a stopgap until the licensing issues with
python are resolved (hopefully with python2.1)


On Wed, May 02, 2001 at 03:12:57PM -0500, David Starner wrote:
> Also, does it use /var/lib/dictd/db.list or /etc/dictd.conf? If it

None.
Unfortunately, serpento uses different sort order for .index files,
(not to mention that it has completely different configuration file)
so plain old dict-* packages are unusable as installed.
Script to create index files for serpento is included, but 
(currently) has to be run manually.

> doesn't, then some sort of install-dict-dictionary needs to be made
> and all the dict-* packages made to use it, or serpento needs to be
> fixed to use it.

Yes, I plan to add automatic conversion of index files and 
some kind of adding the existing databases to the configuration
file, but so far I have no good idea on how to do it the best way.
(perhaps divert dictdconfig... or conflict with dictd and provide
own dictdconfig(8) - in fact, serpento clashes with dictd if you do
leave the default ports the same, so a conflict would probably be
justified anyway)


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Re: SGI's xfs

[Nathan Scott]

hi,

On May 3,  9:28am, Radovan Garabik wrote:
> Subject: Re: SGI's xfs
>  > 
>  > And the kernel patches are in incoming.
>  > 
> 
> and how do you solve the requirement to use gcc version 2.91.66
> for compiling?
> 

gcc-2.95.3 and current gcc-2.95.4 snapshot seem to compile
the XFS kernel correctly now (there were changes made to the
xfs1.0 kernel code months ago because 2.95.3 optimized away
some necessary inline code, but 2.95.4 seems to have fixed
that problem).

There are even more changes in the XFS development tree to
work around problems in the 2.96 compilers.  The horrible
Makefile hack to force gcc-2.91.66 in the 1.0 release has
since been removed.

And there have been reports that the 3.0 snapshots do a good
job on the XFS kernel code too.

cheers.

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Re: SGI's xfs

[Rahul Jain]

On Thu, May 03, 2001 at 09:28:14AM +0200, Radovan Garabik wrote:
> On May 2, 11:22am, Ed Boraas wrote:
>  > Subject: Re: SGI's xfs
>  > > Previously Matthias Berse wrote:
>  > > > Are there any plans in supporting the usage of SGI's xfs filesystem in
>  > > > debian? Are there kernel patches available and/or userspace tools
>  > > > being packaged?
>  > > 
>  > > The userspace tools have been in unstable for a while already actually.
>  > 
>  > And the kernel patches are in incoming.
>  > 
> 
> and how do you solve the requirement to use gcc version 2.91.66
> for compiling?

the gcc 2.95 in unstable works great. it's gcc 2.96 that's the real problematic
compiler. (of course)

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Re: ITH (Intent To Hijack) pilot-manager

[Michael Piefel]

Am  2.05.01 um 13:50:38 schrieb Chris Waters:
> But maybe that's just me.  If you guys really think I'm stepping over
> the line here, then I'll retract my ITH and just do massive patching
> as an NMU.

You should go ahead. I can't see how you could possibly have done any
better than you did. Only thing is: I'd rather not call it `hijack',
because in effect it's an adoption of a package where the `O:' bug has
not yet been filed, but maybe should have...

Bye,
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Debian job in Boston US [nowhere better to post?]

[Grant Taylor]

I asked a couple of developers, and there seems to be nowhere better
to post until debian-jobs is up; sorry if this is annoying.

I *really* need a Debian-capable person to help offload me at work.

There is a $1000 referral for anyone who finds us this person; I'd
love to see that go to some deserving Debian developer.  So if you
know anyone at all, do tell.

Details:

  We're seeking a Debian developer to own our in-house customized
  Debian network and BitKeeper-based version control/build system, and
  to contribute to systems programming projects in support of our
  product*.  Perl, CGI.pm, C, and ideally glib experience required;
  examples requested.

  A formal Debian developer isn't strictly required -- an experienced
  Debian user with the necessary scripting/admin skills will be able
  to figure everything out easily enough.  

  We're in the Boston area; specifically Tewksbury.  It's about 20
  minutes from Cambridge/Somerville/etc.

  See also http://www.picante.com/~gtaylor/hiring.html


* Networking equipment for third-generation cellular networks.
  Suffice it to say that it runs Linux, and it's *big* ;)

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Re: SGI's xfs

[Radovan Garabik]

On May 2, 11:22am, Ed Boraas wrote:
 > Subject: Re: SGI's xfs
 > > Previously Matthias Berse wrote:
 > > > Are there any plans in supporting the usage of SGI's xfs filesystem in
 > > > debian? Are there kernel patches available and/or userspace tools
 > > > being packaged?
 > > 
 > > The userspace tools have been in unstable for a while already actually.
 > 
 > And the kernel patches are in incoming.
 > 

and how do you solve the requirement to use gcc version 2.91.66
for compiling?

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Re: g++-3.0 question

[Ulrich Eckhardt]

> #include 
should be 
#include 

> #include 
should be 
#include 

for the rest, apply either of the proposed solutions by Tellef Fog Heen.

cheers
Uli

Re: rfc1149

[Sam Couter]

Evan Prodromou <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> Obviously, if doves were used, both pigeons and doves would have to
> provide the pseudo-package "avian-packet-carrier" and the installer
> package would need to update-alternatives as appropriate.


Pigeons *are* doves. What you think of as pigeons are probably rock doves.


Taxonomically, pigeons and doves are the same.
Both are members of the order Columbiformes, family Columbidae. The term dove
is generally used for smaller species with pointed tails. "Pigeon" refers to the
larger species with square or rounded tails.
http://www.comptons.com/encyclopedia/ARTICLES/0125/01443584_A.html

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Re: rfc1149

[Alexander Hvostov]

On Thu, 3 May 2001 16:56:08 +1000
Sam Couter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Marcin Owsiany <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > 
> > No need to create a section for them. Birds can sit on the tree
> > directly.
> 
> But what about now that we have pools? Will they drown?

Being birds, I assume they would (attempt to) bathe in them...

Regards,

Alex.

Re: rfc1149

[Sam Couter]

Marcin Owsiany <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> No need to create a section for them. Birds can sit on the tree
> directly.

But what about now that we have pools? Will they drown?
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Re: Bug#95430: acknowledged by developer (Re: Bug#95430: ash: word-splitting changes break shell scripts)

[Alexander Hvostov]

On Wed, 2 May 2001 23:22:29 -0700
"Zack Weinberg" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Okay, I'll concede that this exploit is only theoretical on Linux at
> this time.

Remember what was on the L0pht website...

"L0pht, making the throetical practical since [some year I care not to
remember]"

This probably has absolutely no relevance to this thread, and I probably
sound like
an idiot, but I decided to send this anyway. Feel free to make fun of me
at will.

Regards,

Alex.

Re: Bug#95430: acknowledged by developer (Re: Bug#95430: ash: word-splitting changes break shell scripts)

[Zack Weinberg]

> > > Get a clue, Linux does not allow setuid scripts.
> > 
> > Irrelevant.  Look up IFS in a bugtraq archive.
> > I shan't do your homework for you.
> 
> I did.  And guess what, I didn't find one single exploit regarding this
> on Linux.  Interestingly, I found one exploit that relied on IFS to be set
> to work.

Okay, I'll concede that this exploit is only theoretical on Linux at
this time.  I feel it should still be fixed.  Should a piece of
vulnerable software be written for or ported to Linux, it will then
not be exploitable.

> > > You're the one who doesn't get it.  If you are writing shell functions
> > > and you need to save the IFS, then you need to save it properly.
> > 
> > You don't seem to comprehend the difference between shell *functions*
> > and shell *scripts*.
> 
> Sorry I misread one of your messages.
> 
> In any case, your script is still broken.  I'm only working around this
> because a related autoconf breakage (#95447) is very widespread.

I stand on my assertion that the script is correct, and the shell is
buggy since it fails to follow consensus behavior.

However, as you've fixed the bug, I'll let it drop now.

zw

Re: dinstall problem?

[Ron Farrer]

Anthony Towns (aj@azure.humbug.org.au) wrote:

> It doesn't appear to be available for i386.

> The p.d.o CGI probably only looks at i386 packages. "silo" doesn't show up
> either, eg.

That explains it! Ok, now I can sleep better. :)

> 93713 is closed, though: it's the build-depends bug which was also closed
> in -3.

Yup, and herein lies my mistake. I said to close an already closed bug
(doh!) What I REALLY meant to do was close #93109, I'll take care of
that later. Had I bothered to notice the bug was under a DIFFERENT
number, that would have been ok. Ohh well, not the end of the
world...

> HTH.

Yup, thanks.

Ron

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Re: dinstall problem?

[Anthony Towns]

On Wed, May 02, 2001 at 10:03:09PM -0700, Ron Farrer wrote:
> One of my packages, uptime-applet, seems to have vanished. Or has it?
> Apparently something went wrong during the dinstall and I never got an
> email saying "INSTALLED" like usual. Looking on auric, I see the
> package IS there (uptime-applet_0.2.0-4) in the pool.

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ madison uptime-applet
uptime-applet |0.2.0-1 |   testing | alpha, sparc, source
uptime-applet |0.2.0-1 |  unstable | sparc
uptime-applet |0.2.0-4 |  unstable | alpha, source

It doesn't appear to be available for i386.

> However using
> the CGI search on packages.debian.org does not show it (package isn't
> found). 

The p.d.o CGI probably only looks at i386 packages. "silo" doesn't show up
either, eg.

> The package was duploaded (to unstable) on April 20th. There
> is also an open bug against uptime-applet that 0.2.0-4 closes, but it
> is still open... 

 uptime-applet (0.2.0-4) unstable; urgency=low
   * Moved to autconf, closes: bug#93713

93713 is closed, though: it's the build-depends bug which was also closed
in -3.

> I looked at the changes file and don't see anything
> wrong and I don't suspect there is since it IS in the pool. Can anyone
> shead some light on this? 

HTH.

Cheers,
aj

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dinstall problem?

[Ron Farrer]

hello;

One of my packages, uptime-applet, seems to have vanished. Or has it?
Apparently something went wrong during the dinstall and I never got an
email saying "INSTALLED" like usual. Looking on auric, I see the
package IS there (uptime-applet_0.2.0-4) in the pool. However using
the CGI search on packages.debian.org does not show it (package isn't
found). The package was duploaded (to unstable) on April 20th. There
is also an open bug against uptime-applet that 0.2.0-4 closes, but it
is still open... I looked at the changes file and don't see anything
wrong and I don't suspect there is since it IS in the pool. Can anyone
shead some light on this? 

TIA,
Ron

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