Re: Why XFree86 4.2 Isn't in Woody

[Thomas Bushnell, BSG]

Ben Collins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> What the fuck is going on! When in this insane world did Branden become
> the polite well mannered one, and I become the asshole!

Uh oh, if we elect Branden DPL, is he going to switch back?


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Re: XFree 4.2.0 - again

[Joseph Carter]

On Tue, Apr 16, 2002 at 09:43:51AM -0400, Ashton Trey Belew wrote:
>   Just thought I would pipe in that I am supremely happy with the X
> 4.1 package.

I can only add to the discussion that XFree 4.1 also runs fine with the
XFree 4.2.0 server.  The server is much simpler to compile (or even NOT
compile for that matter if you'd prefer not to do so) than the whole of
XFree86, and is all that is required to add support for the latest
hardware.

I recall seeing someplace a document which describes how to add XFree86
4.1's server to Debian's older 4.0.x X packages.  A quick google doesn't
turn it up, but perhaps if someone has a link to the document it could be
generalized and included someplace that users can find it?  It covered
installing the XFree server from source or binary and procedure to remove
it when Branden finished XFree 4.1 packages.  (I hope the document was not
taken down when 4.1 packages were ready, everything in it still applies
today to 4.2..)

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Re: RFC: Packaging buildd

[Junichi Uekawa]

Simon Richter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> cum veritate scripsit:

> > I have added autoconf/make support, and repackaged it using debhelper.
> 
> Whoa. I tried the same two years ago, and failed. That's why I started a
> rewrite in C++, based on APT, which should be ready for general use in
> about three to six months (hopefully our IT department accepts this as my
> "software development project to add some more time pressure and also
> justification to work on it when I should be doing stuff for the uni).

Reinvention is interesting.

Anyway, "pbuilder" is one such project, that seems to be 
working almost. It rebuilds almost all of Debian archive now. 
Few more quirks to go.

regards,
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Re: XFree 4.2.0 - again

[Roger So]

在 Tue, 2002-04-16 12:14, Lasse Karkkainen 寫道： 
> Hi!   (it's my first post here)
> 
> You are probably sick and tired of this topic, but ...
> IT'S A QUARTER YEAR ANNIVERSARY OF 4.2.0 RELEASE!
> 
> Yes, it really has been three (3) months (!) since it was released.

Why do people like you insists on having the latest version of
everything without making sure that it's actually _better_ than what we
have? 

Rather than repeating what most others have said, I'll give you one more
reason why not rushing 4.2.0 into woody is a good thing: the whole i18n
architecture changed from 4.1 to 4.2, and many bugs _were_ introduced in
the transition -- like X clients segfault on startup if Xlib can't find
the input method specified in the environment, and so on.  I for one am
glad that Branden is not rushing things through.

Just because upstream calls something a ".0" or "stable" release,
doesn't automatically mean that it meets our (and our users') quality
expectations.  As you said yourself, 

> XF is way too essential component to be ignored like this.

Regards

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Re: ITP: libsocket++ - Socket abstraction library for C++

[Junichi Uekawa]

Simon Richter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> cum veritate scripsit:

> I intent to package libsocket++, a small C++ library that abstracts
> network sockets. It provides buffered reads/writes and address family
> independent handling of sockets.

Could you tell me why you are using 
-release @RELEASE@ instead of -version 0:0:0 ?


   *_Never_* try to set the interface numbers so that they correspond
to the release number of your package.  This is an abuse that only
fosters misunderstanding of the purpose of library versions.  Instead,
use the `-release' flag (*note Release numbers::), but be warned that
every release of your package will not be binary compatible with any
other release.



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Re: XFree 4.2.0 - again

[Matthew Palmer]

On Tue, 16 Apr 2002, Lasse Karkkainen wrote:

> Someone said that X is a difficult package to maintain and that there is 
> nothing wrong if PACKAGING it takes 3+ months. People have managed to 
> install it from sources in matter of HOURS (well, that didn't work for 
> me, dunno why). Based on that packaging it during a single weekend 
> should be possible.

You've admitted you have no clue about Debian internals, and yet you are
willing to espouse what should be possible, without any actual knowledge of 
what needs to be done.

Does that strike you as a little naive?

> As we are talking about UNSTABLE here, no real 
> testing needs to be done before releasing - that's what the Debian 
> Unstable is for, right?

No.

Although unstable is the first stop for packages, that doesn't mean that
maintainers should dump whatever cruft they feel like in there - and
ESPECIALLY when it's something as big and complex as XFree.  That's just not
something you want to think about doing, unless you have a desire to piss
off an extraordinary number of people.

> > while. "I have too much stuff to do to actually help Debian, but I'm
> > willing to order around volunteers." Part of the reason Branden is the X
> > maintainer, is because X is possibly the hardest package in Debian to
> > maintain, and Branden is willing and able to do a job most of the rest
> > of us couldn't or wouldn't.
> 
> I have seen that same model happening in many places (trustees of 
> associations, software developers, ..). Everybody thinks that someone is 
> vital for what he is doing and no-one is willing to replace him... Well, 
> then someone else comes and questions that - and gets lots of flame. 
> Often that still, finally, leads to replacing that person with a new, 
> "fresh" one. Usually the change is for the good, after all. People who 
> have done something for ages just don't care about it anymore, but new 
> people are willing to devote all their time for it..

Unless, of course, their name is tronic.  In which case they just feel that
they should spout off at those who are doing the real work, without any
intention of doing any themselves.

A few sayings come to mind:

Before criticising someone, walk a mile in their shoes.

Those in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.

I debated putting this one in, but it seems to sum it up rather nicely:

FOAD.


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Re: PGI installer [Was: Re: Why XFree86 4.2 Isn't in Woody]

[Branden Robinson]

On Tue, Apr 16, 2002 at 06:49:58PM +0200, Grzegorz Prokopski wrote:
> After that introduction (sorry, just wanted You to know the situation)
> let me ask You a few questions:
> 
> First, main one:
> 
> 0. Is PGI good enough to be used as basic installer for Debian magazine
> edition which will be pressed in a few thousand of copies?

Well, I wouldn't want to make any warranties or guarantees at this
point.  When the version number has reached 1.0 I'll feel more
confident.

All I can say is that PGI appears to be much more robust even than
Progeny Debian's installer, upon which it was based.  Aside from issues
with video cards unsupported by XFree86 (see below), I am unaware of any
categorial complaints about PGI's robustness.

> Maybe it is good enough to be secondary installer (maybe on second a CD
> or sth?)

I personally would certainly be comfortable with that.

> 1. Is this possible to include it along with the basic, textmode
> installer? Can You say some more deatailed about it?

PGI does actually include a text-mode installer.  You pass the installer
the "textmode" argument at the SYSLINUX boot prompt.

> 2. Is PGI localized to Polish? (I don't think so) Is it hard to do?
> where/who to ask? (I will also be trying to get base-config in Polish,
> as I belive it's needed to have fully "localized" installation).

PGI is not localized to Polish, and there would be some infrastructural
changes necessary to support internationalization.

> 3. What else should I know ? ;-) Some mailing list? (I can't find
> anything about PGI on debian-boot)

You can read more at .

> Huh - it'd be really nice to have PGI as the main installer ;-)
> But now I really need some good advice in the first place.
> Any comments are welcomed.

I welcome further feedback, especially once you've had a chance to
evaluate it.  Thanks a lot for giving PGI a look!

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Re: Please test this woody cd image

[Svante Signell]

Addtional boxes boot-tested with woody-isolinux:

Boxdisksidepci  bf24
Comapaq Presario 5640/5670 IDE   OK OK
Dell Dimension XPS 733rIDE   OK OK
Dual Celeron MSI6120   SCSI+IDE  OK OK
Em2 QDI Brilliant  SCSI  OK OK (compact tested OK too)
Dell Inspiron 4100 laptop  IDE   OK OK

A few comments about the installer program:

1. Is it possible to generate a boot log, and to be able to view it
   while installing?

2. It would be nice to be able to back out, or doing a reboot _before_
   having to go as long as to the keyboard setup phase. You maybe
   changed your mind before coming that far: What am I doing?, I don't
   have all info available!, whats happening next?, I want to quit the
   install!, etc.

3. When coming to the part of the install where you have several
   choices, the reboot, restart and prevoius step options should be
   higher up in the menu. This enables you to see a way out of the
   install procedure, if needed.

Eagerly waiting for the woody release,
Svante Signell

Matt Zimmerman writes:
 > On Fri, Apr 12, 2002 at 03:49:03PM -0400, Matt Zimmerman wrote:
 > 
 > > I tested the isolinux boot image on 3 random workstations (Dell and HP) as
 > > well as an IBM ThinkPad T21.  All of them worked fine with both idepci and
 > > bf24 kernels.
 > 
 > Also tried a Compaq Deskpro, both idepci and bf24 worked.
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Re: Why XFree86 4.2 Isn't in Woody

[martin f krafft]

Dear Branden,

in the spirit of a recent email reminding us of this: Thank you.

i am myself a recipient of a lot of "hate mail" and questions on why
woody "sucks" simply because i've converted a *very large* number of
people to debian. thanks you for writing to slashdot and for the email
you just posted, maybe it will make people realize what they are
dealing with. P4 / GeForce people (what a wonderful stereotype)
generally don't even know what debian is and are very surprised to
hear me say that debian's not linux at all, linux is merely the most
popular form of debian.

i am rambling, but i guess i have a point. cutting-edge or not, we
should all realize that debian's more than just another distro. for
me, it's a lifesaver. we should accept that our goal is debian, not
competing with the other distros. let them redhat and suse folks worry
about the rich-daddy-kids with their machines too fast for their brains
and graphics cards that can render about 2^22 more colours than the
human eye can distinguish. and most important of all, let us
concentrate on our distro and simply not care too much on what others
bitch. after all, part of debian's charm is that we -devels are all in
love with it ;^>.

anyway, i better stop, it's way too late, and i am just writing as
i think. but this is to all of us: KEEP IT UP, THANK YOU!

debian/rules

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Bug#143209: ITP: switchconf -- Change network config for laptops

[Sebastien J. Gross]

Package: wnpp
Version: N/A; reported 2002-04-16
Severity: wishlist

* Package name: switchconf
  Version : 0.0.1
  Upstream Author : Sebastien J. Gross <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
* URL : http://www.sjgross.org/app/switchconf
* License : GPL
Description : Change network config for laptops

switchconf allows nomad laptop users to easily change their
configuration.

This package is ready to be uploaded within a few hours.

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Re: Debian Press update

[Gustavo Noronha Silva]

Em Tue, 16 Apr 2002 10:19:21 +0200, Gerfried Fuchs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> escreveu:

> > You are probably sick and tired of this topic, but ...
> > IT'S A QUARTER YEAR ANNIVERSARY OF 4.2.0 RELEASE!

/me wonders why people wants to turn Debian's way (do it right, release
when it is ready) into Microsoft's way (do it whatever way if you can
make it easy and make money from it, release when market will accept it)

> > Time to throw some gasoline on the flames ... Branden apparently is
> > incapable of releasing it.
[...]

> > I know next to nothing about Debian internals, and I don't have enough
> > time either (with my other projects and a dayjob).

yes, you are really proving to know nothing about Debian... Branden
is quite capable of doing very good packages for X, and that's what I
expect from him, and that's what he's doing now

I am not in a hurry for X4.2, I could live without it for as long as 18
years already, you see

> > Anyway THIS IS NO REASON for me to "shut the fuck up"

of course it is... you have your right to say anything, but nothing
guarantees you won't be taken as an idiot by who is doing the real
work

> > This risk must be taken, or Debian may die anyhow.

Debian will surely die if we keep receiving mail from people
like you =P

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Re: XFree 4.2.0 - again

[Corrin Lakeland]

On Tue, 16 Apr 2002 16:49, Riku Voipio wrote:
> I guess after seeing your messages Branden goes out for a beer
> rather an opens a editor to serve ungrateful kids.

Incidentially, Lasse's email did convince me that Branden's job isn't just 
hard, it is _really_ hard.  The idea of having to deal with daily emails like 
this horrifies me.  I can see where his abrasive style comes from ;-)

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Re: XFree 4.2.0 - again

[Jan-Hendrik Palic]

On Tue, Apr 16, 2002 at 02:57:52PM +0300, Dmitry Borodaenko wrote:
>On Tue, Apr 16, 2002 at 06:03:47AM +0300, Lasse Karkkainen wrote:
>> Someone said that X is a difficult package to maintain and that there
>> is nothing wrong if PACKAGING it takes 3+ months. People have managed
>> to install it from sources in matter of HOURS (well, that didn't work
>> for me, dunno why).
>Man, I am seriously thinking about putting this quote to my archive of
>best laughs ever :)

*save* into my collection of fortunes :)

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Recommending non-free software

[Stefan Schwandter]

Hello,


I'm the maintainer of the snd and snd-dmotif packages. In the upstream
author's opinion the gtk+ version (snd) is far inferiour to the
openmotif version (snd-dmotif), so I would like to add a note about that
in README.Debian, so that users that don't know snd yet will install the
more useful package snd-dmotif (which is in contrib, since openmotif is
non-free).

I know that debian prefers free software, but the interests of our users
have even more priority, so I think it would be right to add such a
note.

Any objections?


regards, Stefan

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Re: ITP: libsocket++ - Socket abstraction library for C++

[Simon Richter]

On Tue, 16 Apr 2002, Matt Zimmerman wrote:

> > I intent to package libsocket++, a small C++ library that abstracts
> > network sockets. It provides buffered reads/writes and address family
> > independent handling of sockets.

> You may want to look into the Common C++ library; it seems to do a superset
> of what your library does (including threaded server objects, non-blocking
> I/O, etc.).

We're trying to get away from CommonC++... :-)

   Simon

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Re: Why XFree86 4.2 Isn't in Woody

[Ben Collins]

On Tue, Apr 16, 2002 at 07:01:06AM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote:
> A couple of people on a recent thread in debian-devel linked to a
> message I recently posted on Slashdot on this subject.  I had thought
> about posting this information to Debian's lists as well, but at the
> time, didn't see a need.
> 
> Thanks to that recent thread, now I see a need.  :)

What the fuck is going on! When in this insane world did Branden become
the polite well mannered one, and I become the asshole!

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Re: ITP: libsocket++ - Socket abstraction library for C++

[Matt Zimmerman]

On Tue, Apr 16, 2002 at 04:15:23PM +0200, Simon Richter wrote:

> I intent to package libsocket++, a small C++ library that abstracts
> network sockets. It provides buffered reads/writes and address family
> independent handling of sockets.
> 
> I am the upstream author, this is basically split out of the "buildd in
> C++" project because the main author of libsyncml
> (http://libsyncml.sf.net) asked me whether he could use my socket code.

You may want to look into the Common C++ library; it seems to do a superset
of what your library does (including threaded server objects, non-blocking
I/O, etc.).

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Re: XFree 4.2.0 - again

[Josip Rodin]

On Tue, Apr 16, 2002 at 04:32:44PM +0200, Jordi Mallach wrote:
> > bleeding software.  Brandon has added functionality to our X packages
> 
> Run, Scott :)

He also misspelled yet emphasized "definitely", so I think the fiend will be
able to let it slip ;)

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Re: XFree 4.2.0 - again

[Josip Rodin]

On Tue, Apr 16, 2002 at 05:14:51AM +0300, Lasse Karkkainen wrote:
> So, I suggest that anyone, with enough knowledge and TIME, reading this,
> would volunteer as XFree package maintainer.

Doesn't the fact that nobody has openly volunteered to do so indicate to you
that there just aren't many (any?) such people?

> I am just saying what other developers don't dare to say, as it might
> damage and rip apart their magic castle. This risk must be taken, or
> Debian may die anyhow.

Debian developers are generally all _but_ quiet little sheep. Were there
cause for major disgruntlement, there would be major disgruntlement.
I submit the mailing list and bug tracking system archives as proof.

Let me put it this way: in the eyes of every clueful bystander, Branden's
reputation sinks from the starting value of, say, 100, by 0.1 with every day
the new version release is delayed. (At the same time there can be other
fluctuations in the imaginary reputation value, of course. :) Your
reputation sinks from the starting value of 0, by 10.0 with every clueless
sentence.

> Anyway, no-one will volunteer as long as Branden is officially working on
> it,

Hundreds of packages have been hijacked in the past.

> so I suggest that the first thing to do is getting rid of him.

I can only laugh at this part :))

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Re: XFree 4.2.0 - again

[Josip Rodin]

On Mon, Apr 15, 2002 at 07:14:39PM -0700, Adam McKenna wrote:
> ObPleaseDon'tFeedTheTroll

http://www.bofhlet.net/trolls.txt :)

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Re: dialog alternatives

[John Hasler]

Jochen writes:
> Sorry!  Maybe I did not give your patches enough credit.

The credit doesn't matter.  It's just that the fact they weren't mentioned
in the changelog led me to believe that they had not been applied.
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Re: Why XFree86 4.2 Isn't in Woody

[Craig Dickson]

begin  Branden Robinson  quotation:

> A couple of people on a recent thread in debian-devel linked to a
> message I recently posted on Slashdot on this subject.  I had thought
> about posting this information to Debian's lists as well, but at the
> time, didn't see a need.
> 
> Thanks to that recent thread, now I see a need.  :)

[snip]

Branden, as one Debian user, I would like to thank you for the
tremendous job you do on the X packages. Debian's X has worked
flawlessly on my machines. Unlike many less-complex packages, I have
never installed a new X package and found it fundamentally broken. (And
this is running Sid, mind you, so I'm not getting the benefit of two
weeks of other users' testing.)

I await 4.2 patiently. I don't want to see it until you feel it's ready,
and as long as there are 4.1 issues to deal with for Woody, obviously
that should be your focus.

> I'll also add that some of my time (some of it paid for by my employer)
> has being going towards trying to solve a problem that people have been
> complaining about even more loudly -- and for a greater duration -- than
> the absence of XFree86 4.2 Debian packages: Debian's installer.
> 
> Some people just don't like Debian's existing text-mode installer, no
> matter how flexible it is.  They want a GUI installer, darn it.
> Progeny's version of Debian got pretty positive reviews, and several
> people said Progeny "solved" the "problem" with Debian's installer.

If we get a nice GUI installer, that's great, but it's JUST PLAIN STUPID
for people to claim that there is anything wrong with a text-mode one.
I've installed Potato several times (usually dist-upgrading to Sid
almost immediately thereafter). I _like_ that installer. It may not be
as pretty as Red Hat's, but it's more than adequate, and it makes sense
to me that an OS installer should make minimal demands on the system.

Still, as I said, a GUI installer's fine with me as long as it works
well, so I look forward to seeing the fruits of your labors in Woody+1.
I'll take a look at your work-in-progress next time I do an install.

Craig


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Re: XFree 4.2.0 - again

[Craig Dickson]

begin  Wilmer van der Gaast  quotation:

> Lasse, please read the following SlashDot comment written by Branden. It
> explains why Woody will not come with 4.2.0:
> 
> http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=30663&cid=3297389
> 
> And now feel impressed by his work. ;-)

Thanks for pointing that posting out -- I hadn't seen it before. Up till
now I've just patiently accepted that packaging a new version of XFree86
was a big, time-consuming job, but without really understanding why. This
explains it all very well.

Craig


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PGI installer [Was: Re: Why XFree86 4.2 Isn't in Woody]

[Grzegorz Prokopski]

W liście z wto, 16-04-2002, godz. 14:01, Branden Robinson pisze: 
> I'll also add that some of my time (some of it paid for by my employer)
> has being going towards trying to solve a problem that people have been
> complaining about even more loudly -- and for a greater duration -- than
> the absence of XFree86 4.2 Debian packages: Debian's installer.
> 
> Some people just don't like Debian's existing text-mode installer, no
> matter how flexible it is.  They want a GUI installer, darn it.
> Progeny's version of Debian got pretty positive reviews, and several
> people said Progeny "solved" the "problem" with Debian's installer.
> Thus, a vastly improved version of Progeny's installer is now available.
> You can read about it at:
> 
>   http://hackers.progeny.com/pgi/
> 
> PGI is not yet at 1.0, but has performed dozens (perhaps hundreds, by
> now) of successful woody installations on i386 and ia64 hardware.  If
> you use either of these platforms, please check it out.  Additionally,
> thanks to Jimmy Kaplowitz a PowerPC port is underway.

Hello!

I am managing preparations of press edition of Debian Woody for Debian
users in Poland. It will be Special edtion of Linux+ magazine
(http://www.linux.com.pl). We will include 8 CDs with binary packages
(or 2 DVDs of binaries and source as an option). There will be 64 pages
of misc artiles,

and of course one about installation too. I was just about to start the
writing of this text ATM.

I knew about PGI but didn't know that it's being actively worked on.
Till today I was decided to use starndard installer on our CDs.
But, as You said above, it's painfull for many, many new users.

And we heavily target new users. The materials are prepared so that new
wannabe-debian-user (who just decided to leve his beloved RH or MDK)
could start with Debian more easily. We only release i386 binaries, so
lack of ports of PGI is not the problem here.

After that introduction (sorry, just wanted You to know the situation)
let me ask You a few questions:

First, main one:

0. Is PGI good enough to be used as basic installer for Debian magazine
edition which will be pressed in a few thousand of copies?
Maybe it is good enough to be secondary installer (maybe on second a CD
or sth?)

1. Is this possible to include it along with the basic, textmode
installer? Can You say some more deatailed about it?

2. Is PGI localized to Polish? (I don't think so) Is it hard to do?
where/who to ask? (I will also be trying to get base-config in Polish,
as I belive it's needed to have fully "localized" installation).

3. What else should I know ? ;-) Some mailing list? (I can't find
anything about PGI on debian-boot)

Huh - it'd be really nice to have PGI as the main installer ;-)
But now I really need some good advice in the first place.
Any comments are welcomed.

Best regards

Grzegorz Prokopski



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problems with nfs on Debian unstable.

[Carl B. Constantine]

I'm hoping someone here can help with this problem, maybe the NFS
maintainer?

I installed an official kernel-source-2.4.17 and compiled it up.
Recently, I also compiled in nfs support:

([EMAIL PROTECTED]:linux-2.4.17)# grep -i nfs .config
# CONFIG_NFS_FS is not set
CONFIG_NFSD=y
CONFIG_NFSD_V3=y

note that it's compiled in and not as a module. I've installed the
nfs-common and nfs-kernel-server:

([EMAIL PROTECTED]:linux-2.4.17)# dpkg --status nfs-common | grep Version
Version: 1:1.0-2

dpkg --status nfs-kernel-server | grep Version
Version: 1:1.0-2

however, when my system boots, exportfs gives me an error:

Exporting directories for NFS kernel daemon...bufflehead:/home/oldusers:
Function not implemented.

If I run exportfs by itself on the command line, I get the following:
([EMAIL PROTECTED]:duckwing)# /usr/sbin/exportfs -r -v
exporting bufflehead:/usr/local/xterminal
exporting bufflehead:/usr/local/xterminal to kernel
bufflehead:/usr/local/xterminal: Function not implemented


looking at my /var/log/syslog I see the following:

Apr 16 07:11:30 Mallard nfsd[1782]: nfssvc: Function not implemented

how can nfssvc not be implemented when I have nfs compiled into the
kernel and the proper nfs packages installed on my system? what am I
missing.

my xtab is blank and running exportfs -a does nothing. Here's my
/etc/exports:

# /etc/exports: the access control list for file systems which may be exported
#   to NFS clients.  See exports(5).
/usr/local/xterminal 192.168.1.20(rw,no_root_squash)

anyone have ideas as to what is going on? This shouldn't be that hard to
set up. I'm running Debian Sid:

([EMAIL PROTECTED]:linux-2.4.17)# cat /etc/debian_version
3.0

thanks for any help anyone can give.

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Re: [2002-04-16] Release Status Update

[Steve Langasek]

On Tue, Apr 16, 2002 at 06:38:57PM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote:

>   beancounter
>   courier-ssl
>   dbf2sql
>   ddt
>   gtksql
>   libpgsql-ruby
>   med-dent
>   odontolinux
>   pike7-crypto
>   proftpd
>   qttudo
>   sourceforge
>   sql-editor

> A couple of these packages are held up because of problems with the
> autobuilders: proftpd is a victim of the current libsasl issues,
> and odontolinux is broken on arches other than i386 and alpha while
> php4-pgsql is updated, which in turn is a victim of the current apache
> symlink breakage.

> These packages will be reconsidered for inclusion starting tomorrow,
> but won't actually get reinstated until the various problems they're
> having are fixed.

An NMU of apache that fixes the symlink breakage has been uploaded and 
should be available to autobuilders after today.  Nothing more to be 
done on php4-pgsql than waiting for buildd's to take their course.

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slightly OT: nfs error on Debian kernel

[Carl B. Constantine]

I installed an official kernel-source-2.4.17 and compiled it up.
Recently, I also compiled in nfs support:

([EMAIL PROTECTED]:linux-2.4.17)# grep -i nfs .config
# CONFIG_NFS_FS is not set
CONFIG_NFSD=y
CONFIG_NFSD_V3=y

note that it's compiled in and not as a module. I've installed the
nfs-common and nfs-kernel-server:

([EMAIL PROTECTED]:linux-2.4.17)# dpkg --status nfs-common | grep Version
Version: 1:1.0-2

dpkg --status nfs-kernel-server | grep Version
Version: 1:1.0-2

however, when my system boots, exportfs gives me an error:

Exporting directories for NFS kernel daemon...bufflehead:/home/oldusers:
Function not implemented.

If I run exportfs by itself on the command line, I get the following:
([EMAIL PROTECTED]:duckwing)# /usr/sbin/exportfs -r -v
exporting bufflehead:/usr/local/xterminal
exporting bufflehead:/usr/local/xterminal to kernel
bufflehead:/usr/local/xterminal: Function not implemented


looking at my /var/log/syslog I see the following:

Apr 16 07:11:30 Mallard nfsd[1782]: nfssvc: Function not implemented

how can nfssvc not be implemented when I have nfs compiled into the
kernel and the proper nfs packages installed on my system? what am I
missing.

my xtab is blank and running exportfs -a does nothing. Here's my
/etc/exports:

# /etc/exports: the access control list for file systems which may be exported
#   to NFS clients.  See exports(5).
/usr/local/xterminal 192.168.1.20(rw,no_root_squash)

anyone have ideas as to what is going on? This shouldn't be that hard to
set up. I'm running Debian Sid:

([EMAIL PROTECTED]:linux-2.4.17)# cat /etc/debian_version
3.0

thanks for any help anyone can give.

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Re: XFree 4.2.0 - again

[Jordi Mallach]

On Mon, Apr 15, 2002 at 10:09:55PM -0500, Scott Dier wrote:
> bleeding software.  Brandon has added functionality to our X packages

Run, Scott :)

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Re: Why XFree86 4.2 Isn't in Woody

[Julian Gilbey]

On Tue, Apr 16, 2002 at 07:01:06AM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote:
> A couple of people on a recent thread in debian-devel linked to a
> message I recently posted on Slashdot on this subject.  I had thought
> about posting this information to Debian's lists as well, but at the
> time, didn't see a need.

Branden, nice email!

You're doing amazing work!  Thank you!

   Julian

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ITP: libsocket++ - Socket abstraction library for C++

[Simon Richter]

Package: wnpp
Severity: wishlist

Hi,

I intent to package libsocket++, a small C++ library that abstracts
network sockets. It provides buffered reads/writes and address family
independent handling of sockets.

I am the upstream author, this is basically split out of the "buildd in
C++" project because the main author of libsyncml
(http://libsyncml.sf.net) asked me whether he could use my socket code.

Home page is http://www.fs.tum.de/~richtesi/software/, License is LGPL.

   Simon

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Re: donated amiga '060 update

[Michael Schmitz]

> Well, today I went and picked up the m68k machine kindly donated
> by Anton Emmerfors some months ago.
> 
> It was already packaged and ready to go, so all I had to do was to
> take it to the postoffice, and send it off to Ingo Juergensmann
> in Germany, who will do OS and network card installations.
> 
> Hopefully it will make a nice addition to the m68k builders :)

Three cheers to Anton for donating the machine, and another three for you
:-)

I'll go digging for disks ASAP ...

Michael


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Re: Any DDs out there with a Nomad Jukebox?

[Joseph Carter]

On Tue, Apr 16, 2002 at 11:08:44AM +, Wilmer van der Gaast wrote:
> >  Anyone interested? (particularly someone that owns a Nomad Jukebox)
> >  
> If it's portable and plays ogg/vorbis-files I might buy one... ;-)

Requires a beta firmware that was never actually released to the public,
but it _can_ play them, certainly.

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Re: XFree 4.2.0 - again

[Ashton Trey Belew]

Hello,
Just thought I would pipe in that I am supremely happy with the X
4.1 package.
Have a nice day,
-Trey



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Re: dialog alternatives

[Jochen Voss]

Hello,

On Mon, Apr 15, 2002 at 08:13:40PM -0500, John Hasler wrote:
> Jochen writes:
> > I think I incorporated all gdialog patches you sent to the BTS.  Or did I
> > miss something?
> All those bugs appear to have been fixed, though I see no mention of my
> patches in the changelog.
Sorry!  Maybe I did not give your patches enough credit.

> > In my opinion the real problem with gdialog is, that the
> > source is really a mess...
> 
> You can say that again.
> [...] 
> Perhaps you should offer to take it over, or just fork it.
Oh No, thank you.  I'm happy to apply patches I get
or to feed bug reports upstream.  But if I really did
feel like taking over gdialog development, I think
I would simply start a new program :-)

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Re: XFree 4.2.0 - again

[Dmitry Borodaenko]

On Tue, Apr 16, 2002 at 06:03:47AM +0300, Lasse Karkkainen wrote:
> Someone said that X is a difficult package to maintain and that there
> is nothing wrong if PACKAGING it takes 3+ months. People have managed
> to install it from sources in matter of HOURS (well, that didn't work
> for me, dunno why).

Man, I am seriously thinking about putting this quote to my archive of
best laughs ever :)

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Why XFree86 4.2 Isn't in Woody

[Branden Robinson]

A couple of people on a recent thread in debian-devel linked to a
message I recently posted on Slashdot on this subject.  I had thought
about posting this information to Debian's lists as well, but at the
time, didn't see a need.

Thanks to that recent thread, now I see a need.  :)

  Well, I myself am not exactly thrilled that woody won't have 4.2 in
  it, but:

  As you said, I've been busy with getting 4.1.x stable. For Debian,
  this means much more than it does for some vendors. In woody, we
  support 11 architectures: alpha, arm, hppa, ia64, i386, m68k, mips,
  mipsel, powerpc, s390, and sparc. For how many of these machine
  architectures do Slackware, Mandrake, or Red Hat have 4.1.x, let alone
  4.2, available? XFree86 themselves don't test or prepare distribution
  tarballs for several of these architectures. Debian is the de facto
  portability laboratory for XFree86 on Linux. Sure, I'll grant you that
  a lot of people, the kinds with the overclocked Pentium 4's and the
  latest GeForce card, really don't care about portability, or
  supporting architectures they've never heard of. But portability is
  important to me and it's important to Debian. I refuse to treat
  non-i386 users like second-class citizens. Those who want CVS HEAD,
  are best advised to learn how to check it out and type "make World".
  I'm sure that Pentium 4 overlocked to 3 GHz will compile the X source
  tree pretty quickly. :-) The single most amazing thing about all the
  hate mail I've received for not having 4.2 Debian packages ready --
  aside from the fact that I started receiving it about two days after
  it was tagged upstream -- is that people seem to be laboring under the
  delusion that I have some kind of secret tools locked away in a vault,
  and that I am the only person who has the power to create packages.
  Sure, I'm probably better at doing XFree86 debs than most people,
  since I've been doing it for so long, but there's no great secret.
  I'm sure that with half an hour of manpage reading, a reasonably
  intelligent person can learn everything he needs to produce XFree86
  4.2 debs for himself that will work well enough to satisfy his
  impatient self. Hey, I like to see the latest and greatest of
  everything, too -- that's why I use apt-listchanges, but I don't go
  haranguing the Debian developers to package up a new upstream version
  when I can clearly tell that they're working on other things for the
  project.

  On a related note, 4.2 just plain won't work on some of Debian's
  supported machines because we need the PCI Domain support, which is
  currently a branch in XFree86 CVS and did not make it into the 4.2
  release. So for us, releasing 4.2 doesn't just mean releasing 4.2. It
  means releasing 4.2 plus some very large patches in very critical
  parts of the server code. You really, really want a good long
  opportunity to shake that sort of thing out, since Debian's 4.2 may
  not behave exactly as XFree86's 4.2 does.

  I don't just package the thing tagged xf-4_2_0 and leave it at that. I
  track hotfixes commited both to the latest release's branch and to
  HEAD, and incorporate them into Debian's packages if they work and if
  they make the packages better from a quality standpoint. Ask ATI video
  card users about 4.2.0 and "composite sync" sometime. (This isn't to
  dog the XFree86 Project. Software has bugs. Software releases with
  bugs. But, knowing about the default composite sync issue which
  affects so many users, it would be irresponsible of me to ignore it.)

  I didn't expect it to take until May for woody to release. Back in
  January, I felt sure that there was no way Anthony Towns would accept
  4.2 into woody; when I sounded him out at the time about it he sounded
  kind of skeptical. Needless to say, the longer it takes woody to
  release, the worse a decision this is, but I don't have control over
  the release process. (Strictly speaking, Anthony doesn't either --
  meaning, he can declare a release, sure, but he can't force people at
  gunpoint to fix the remaining release critical bugs. And Debian's
  philosophy has been to release when "it's ready", not when some
  marketroid tells us to, and thus just live with whatever whopper bugs
  happen to be in the release that day.)

  So, that's why XFree86 4.2 isn't in woody.

I'll also add that some of my time (some of it paid for by my employer)
has being going towards trying to solve a problem that people have been
complaining about even more loudly -- and for a greater duration -- than
the absence of XFree86 4.2 Debian packages: Debian's installer.

Some people just don't like Debian's existing text-mode installer, no
matter how flexible it is.  They want a GUI installer, darn it.
Progeny's version of Debian got pretty positive reviews, and several
people said Progeny "solved" the "problem" with Debian's installer.
Thus, a vastly improved version of Progeny's installer is now available.
You can read about it at:

Re: FW: Run-time library update

[Russell Coker]

On Tue, 16 Apr 2002 13:26, Wilson wrote:
> > Hi there,
> > Ive been goind trough ur web site and documents, and found them extremely
> > useful. Ive  a query on shared libraries.
> > Ive an application running, which links certain shared libs. Can I update
> > the library during run-time, and load it into the application without
> > stoping it? (I use Linux as OS platform (on an x86 machine) and gcc
> > version 2.96)
> >
> > Does Linux/gcc has a support/solution for this?
> > Please help.

There has been a text book published on writing C/C++ programs to do such 
things.  However it requires special code in both the library and the 
application.

Changing libc6 on a running program is not going to happen.  But why would 
you want it to?

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Re: XFree 4.2.0 - again

[Will Newton]

On Tuesday 16 Apr 2002 4:04 am, Lasse Karkkainen wrote:

> Well, it seems that you almost need 4.2.0 for Woody anyway, if it is
> going to work with any recent hardware (unless you are aiming for
> servers only). Or are you going to hack 4.2.0 display drivers into 4.1.0?

As it happens 4.2.0 seems to have a lot of bugs of it's own.


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Re: XFree 4.2.0 - again

[Rodrigo Moya]

On Tue, 2002-04-16 at 10:20, Russell Coker wrote:
> 
> Someone as stupid as Lasse is unlikely to live very long anyway.
> 
> Maybe we need a new sub-distribution, Debian for glue-sniffers?
> 
maybe we need to ignore morons like him. I think him getting tens and
tens of answers to his stupid mail means playing the same game as he
does. Best thing is to completely ignore him, for instance, adding it to
your spammers mail filter, which is what I'm doing right now.

As an example, some weeks ago, when Miguel de Icaza said he would like
GNOME 4.0 to use Mono (which is just his personal opinion, not an actual
plan), we (like 100~ GNOME developers) got a mail from a moron who asked
us to kick Miguel off the GNOME project. AFAIK, nobody answered him,
and, so far, I haven't got another mail from him.

So, please ignore trolls, they don't deserve your time.

And, THANKS to all Debian developers, keep up the good work, my life is
easier thanks to all of you :-)

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FW: Run-time library update

[Wilson]

> Hi there,
> Ive been goind trough ur web site and documents, and found them extremely
> useful. Ive  a query on shared libraries.
> Ive an application running, which links certain shared libs. Can I update
> the library during run-time, and load it into the application without
> stoping it? (I use Linux as OS platform (on an x86 machine) and gcc
> version 2.96)
> 
> Does Linux/gcc has a support/solution for this? 
> Please help.
> 
> 
> Wilson K J
> Software Engineer
> WebSpectrum Software Pvt Ltd
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> Jayanagar, Bangalore - 560082
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Re: Any DDs out there with a Nomad Jukebox?

[Wilmer van der Gaast]

Shaun [EMAIL PROTECTED]@Tue, 16 Apr 2002 01:14:08 -0700:
>  Anyone interested? (particularly someone that owns a Nomad Jukebox)
>  
If it's portable and plays ogg/vorbis-files I might buy one... ;-)

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Re: [2002-04-16] Release Status Update

[Stefan Hornburg Racke]

Anthony Towns  writes:

> Hi all,
> 
> Unhappily, the "move postgresql from non-US to main" part of the
> "crypto-in-main" transition was harder than expected due to a library
> package rename (libpgsql2 in stable had be renamed to libpgsql2.1 in
> woody, but has since been renamed back to libpgsql2). This means that
> everything that used to link against the postgresql libraries needed
> to be rebuilt, which tends to take a while. It's mostly been done now,
> and consequently, postgresql in woody will be updated with the next
> mirror pulse.
> 
> Unfortunately, this hasn't been without its casualties. The following
> packages have been removed since they haven't been properly updated for
> the new postgresql, or depend on things that haven't be properly updated
> for the new postgresql.
> 
>   beancounter
>   courier-ssl

Hm, unfortunately I cannot figure out why courier-ssl was removed.
I rebuild it for libpgsql2. Can you please tell me what went wrong ?

Ciao
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Re: XFree 4.2.0 - again

[Marek Habersack]

** On Apr 16, Andreas Metzler scribbled:
> Marc Wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > On Tue, Apr 16, 2002 at 12:23:27AM -0400, Sean Middleditch wrote:
> >> If you have one of the 3 chipsets only supported in 4.2, there is
> >> nothing stopping you from installing that.
> [...]
> 
> > One of them is Matrox's G550, one of them is one or another of the
> > Radeon's, but what's the third?
> 
> Probably Geforce4 (usable with the nonfree Nvidia-driver on 4.1.*) or
> some Laptop-Chipset (Savage-something?)
Trident-something (CyberBlade, I think) as used in Toshiba Satellite PRO
5600 (IIRC) - works well with the VESA on 4.1, though :)
 
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Re: XFree 4.2.0 - again

[Krzysztof Krzyzaniak]

On Tue, Apr 16, 2002 at 07:30:47PM +1000, Craig Sanders wrote:
> On Tue, Apr 16, 2002 at 05:14:51AM +0300, Lasse Karkkainen wrote:
> > You are probably sick and tired of this topic, but ...
> > IT'S A QUARTER YEAR ANNIVERSARY OF 4.2.0 RELEASE!
> > 
> > Yes, it really has been three (3) months (!) since it was released.
> 
> so?  4.1 works just fine.

Not on newport (MIPS). There is only 8bit color (4.2 - 24bit). But I'm happy
with patches from Guido.

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Re: XFree 4.2.0 - again

[Craig Sanders]

On Tue, Apr 16, 2002 at 05:14:51AM +0300, Lasse Karkkainen wrote:
> You are probably sick and tired of this topic, but ...
> IT'S A QUARTER YEAR ANNIVERSARY OF 4.2.0 RELEASE!
> 
> Yes, it really has been three (3) months (!) since it was released.

so?  4.1 works just fine.

> Time to throw some gasoline on the flames ... Branden apparently is
> incapable of releasing it. So, I suggest that anyone, with enough
> knowledge and TIME, reading this, would volunteer as XFree package
> maintainer. Branden's comments suggest that he just doesn't have
> enough time for that.

this may shock the hell out of Branden but i think he does an
*excellent* job with the XFree packages.

i may have some disagreements with him on various issues, but i have no
problem at all with the quality or frequency of his work.  debian needs
more developers of his caliber. he took on X (an incredibly difficult
set of packages) when everybody else had too much sense to even think
about doing it and has done a fantastic job with it.

there's a lot more to packaging a program than just compiling it and
hoping that it mostly works on your own system.  if you want that kind
of "quality-control" then try redhat's contrib packages.

craig

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Re: XFree 4.2.0 - again

[Marek Habersack]

** On Apr 16, Manoj Srivastava scribbled:
> >>"Lasse" == Lasse Karkkainen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>  Lasse> Time to throw some gasoline on the flames ... Branden apparently is
>  Lasse> incapable of releasing it. So, I suggest that anyone, with enough
>  Lasse> knowledge and TIME, reading this, would volunteer as XFree package
>  Lasse> maintainer. Branden's comments suggest that he just doesn't have
>  Lasse> enough time for that.
> 
>   This demonstrates you have no clue what it takes to package
>  and test something the size and complexity of X. It also shows you do
>  not have the commitment to quality that characterizes debian. 
To give the guy a clue, Red Hat (please, don't start another flamewar anyone
:)) hires a full-time employee to _mostly_ work on the XFree packages. That
should even convice Lasse The Troll that there must be something hard in
packaging such a beast (I hope it will make it into his nut sized brain...
:>)
 
marek

p.s. and I found the poster on Branden's XFree page very amusing :P


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Re: XFree 4.2.0 - again

[Peter Mathiasson]

On Mon, Apr 15, 2002 at 09:58:49PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
>   You are, of course, free to package your own private X
>  system.  After all, you seem to think you have a clue about the
>  amount of work that entails.

"People have managed to install it from sources in matter of HOURS
(well, that didn't work for me, dunno why)."

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Re: XFree 4.2.0 - again

[Jérôme Marant]

On Tue, Apr 16, 2002 at 10:20:16AM +0200, Russell Coker wrote:
> On Tue, 16 Apr 2002 04:57, Jeff Licquia wrote:
> > On Mon, 2002-04-15 at 21:14, Lasse Karkkainen wrote:
> > > Hi!   (it's my first post here)
> > >
> > > You are probably sick and tired of this topic, but ...
> > > IT'S A QUARTER YEAR ANNIVERSARY OF 4.2.0 RELEASE!
> > >
> > > Yes, it really has been three (3) months (!) since it was released.
> > >
> > > No, I am NOT willing to prepare and release that package.
> >
> > Wow.  What an idiot.
> >
> > Here's an idea: the next time we have someone complain about potato
> > being so old and woody taking so long, let's say, "Hey, you know, this
> > 'tronic2' guy flamed us real bad for not including XFree86 4.2, so we're
> > postponing woody for six more months to get it in.  Feel free to talk to
> > him if this bothers you."
> >
> > The only problem is that we'd likely be named accessories to the
> > inevitable murder this would trigger.
> 
> Someone as stupid as Lasse is unlikely to live very long anyway.
> 
> Maybe we need a new sub-distribution, Debian for glue-sniffers?

  I personaly had a very good laugh reading his first message and
  I did not take it seriously because such a rant cannot be really
  serious. This is a kind of counterpart of Debian's popularity.  

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Re: because it isn't said enough

[Julian Gilbey]

On Mon, Apr 15, 2002 at 10:41:54PM -0700, Sean 'Shaleh' Perry wrote:
> So, I would just like to remind people to occasionally send a "thank you" to
> those out there who make your day go by.  It really goes a long way to helping
> us devel types deal with life.

Thanks for reminding me!  From the Acknowledgements section of my
recent thesis:

  A big collective thanks to all those who wrote and keep Linux, Debian
  and TeX and friends running; without them, this thesis would have
  had to be typed on a typewriter and the symbols written in by hand.

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Re: Debian Press update

[Gerfried Fuchs]

* Lasse Karrainen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2002-04-16 05:14]:
> User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:0.9.8) Gecko/20020130

 Why doesn't that surprise me?

> Hi!   (it's my first post here)

 And hopefully your last.

> You are probably sick and tired of this topic, but ...
> IT'S A QUARTER YEAR ANNIVERSARY OF 4.2.0 RELEASE!

 Grats, you did a well job at watching the calendar.

> Time to throw some gasoline on the flames ... Branden apparently is
> incapable of releasing it.

 Nope, he isn't.  You are incapable of understanding the issue.

> So, I suggest that anyone, with enough knowledge and TIME, reading
> this, would volunteer as XFree package maintainer.

 So, start with it.

> No, I am NOT willing to prepare and release that package.

 Then shut the fuck up.  If you can't improve the situation your comment
is worth nothing but annoying people.

> I know next to nothing about Debian internals, and I don't have enough
> time either (with my other projects and a dayjob).

 Oh, now everyone let's join in a minute of silence to honor your hard
day.

> Anyway THIS IS NO REASON for me to "shut the fuck up"

 Of course it *is* one, it's the best one.  Don't beat a dead horse - it
won't notice it.

> I am just saying what other developers don't dare to say, as it might
> damage and rip apart their magic castle.

 It is damaging the motivation of *anyone* within the project, not the
magic castle, whatever that might be.

> This risk must be taken, or Debian may die anyhow.

 There is a good german quote for that: "Totgesagte leben länger" -- I
don't know the right translation of that phrase, though.

> Of course, if no-one else is capable of maintaining that package,
> Debian is in trouble.

 Why shouldn't it?  I don't see any trouble here.

> In that case I suggest hiring a paid programmer for the job (if that
> should happen, I am willing to donate).

 You are willing to pay someone to do it?  Hey, thanks!!  How much? Or
no matter what it costs?

> XF is way too essential component to be ignored like this.

 It's *you* that is ignorant.

> Anyway, no-one will volunteer as long as Branden is officially working
> on it, so I suggest that the first thing to do is getting rid of him.

 Noone is willing to do anything as long as you are spreading flamebaits
so I sugguest that the first thing to do is getting rid of you.

 You don't know next to nothing about Debian and have the nuts to feel
true enough to be able to judge it?  Boy, you have a big problem.  Feel
welcome to my blacklist.

 Have fun,
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Re: XFree 4.2.0 - again

[Russell Coker]

On Tue, 16 Apr 2002 04:57, Jeff Licquia wrote:
> On Mon, 2002-04-15 at 21:14, Lasse Karkkainen wrote:
> > Hi!   (it's my first post here)
> >
> > You are probably sick and tired of this topic, but ...
> > IT'S A QUARTER YEAR ANNIVERSARY OF 4.2.0 RELEASE!
> >
> > Yes, it really has been three (3) months (!) since it was released.
> >
> > No, I am NOT willing to prepare and release that package.
>
> Wow.  What an idiot.
>
> Here's an idea: the next time we have someone complain about potato
> being so old and woody taking so long, let's say, "Hey, you know, this
> 'tronic2' guy flamed us real bad for not including XFree86 4.2, so we're
> postponing woody for six more months to get it in.  Feel free to talk to
> him if this bothers you."
>
> The only problem is that we'd likely be named accessories to the
> inevitable murder this would trigger.

Someone as stupid as Lasse is unlikely to live very long anyway.

Maybe we need a new sub-distribution, Debian for glue-sniffers?

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Any DDs out there with a Nomad Jukebox?

[Shaun Jackman]

I am looking for a sponsor for two packages: kionjb and libnjb.

 kionjb lets you view and manipulate the tracks on your Creative Labs Nomad 
Jukebox MP3 player. It is a KIO::Slave and requires KDE2. Source is available 
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 libnjb is a shared library for communicating with the Creative Nomad JukeBox 
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Re: because it isn't said enough

[Jérôme Marant]

On Mon, Apr 15, 2002 at 10:41:54PM -0700, Sean 'Shaleh' Perry wrote:
> I recently ran into this on my current project (blackbox window manager).
> 
> Too often as developers the people we talk to are the ones seeking help and
> guidance.  Whether it is a bug, ignorance, stupidity, that crazy genius only
> they will ever understand, whatever we deal with them, coddle them.  But in 
> the
> end they are usually the only people we deal with regularly.  It is a lot like
> working tech support -- when someone wants to talk to us it is usally not a
> mutual feeling (-:
> 
> So, I would just like to remind people to occasionally send a "thank you" to
> those out there who make your day go by.  It really goes a long way to helping
> us devel types deal with life.

  I agree with you on this. I'm personaly trying to thank people for their
  help and reports, and more nowdays than in the past since I realized that
  not getting any reply is somehow frustrating.

  However, it is impossible to always stay in a good mood, and even more
  when you're doing it as a hobbie and getting tons of lame bug reports from
  clueless people. Better avoid packaging famous apps! ;-)

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Re: XFree 4.2.0 - again

[Andreas Metzler]

Marc Wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Tue, Apr 16, 2002 at 12:23:27AM -0400, Sean Middleditch wrote:
>> If you have one of the 3 chipsets only supported in 4.2, there is
>> nothing stopping you from installing that.
[...]

> One of them is Matrox's G550, one of them is one or another of the
> Radeon's, but what's the third?

Probably Geforce4 (usable with the nonfree Nvidia-driver on 4.1.*) or
some Laptop-Chipset (Savage-something?)

> And actually, the G550 is a no-brainer to add support for and re-do the
> package. ^_^

And until then, there is www.matrox.com, featuring precompiled drivers
for 4.[01].*.
 cu andreas


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Re: XFree 4.2.0 - again

[Wilmer van der Gaast]

Lasse, please read the following SlashDot comment written by Branden. It
explains why Woody will not come with 4.2.0:

http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=30663&cid=3297389

And now feel impressed by his work. ;-)

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Re: Bug #140769: frozen-bubble: RC bug

[Wilmer van der Gaast]

Josselin [EMAIL PROTECTED]@15 Apr 2002 22:29:39 +0200:
>  Does anyone mind my adding a conflict with debhelper (and maybe
>  libc6-dev) ?
>  
Debhelper only, please.. I don't use debhelper. :-)

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Re: XFree86 4.2.0

[PP Spiertz]

(ok, and this is *my* first message to debian-devel ever)

Branden's great reply on this, lately on Slashdot, was actually the
very reason that I became interested in packaging for Debian.
I don't think Branden should have anything to add since he wrote this:

http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=30663&threshold=1&commentsort=0&tid=90&mode=thread&cid=3297389

And you say he's incapable? Might I suggest to humbly shoot yourself?
The parent thread will tell you too why KDE3 won't be in woody, and why
Mandrake's fast releases are not very responsible.

Regards,
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Re: Final call for votes for the debian project leader election 2002

[Jérôme Marant]

On Mon, Apr 15, 2002 at 11:52:06PM +0200, Davide G . M . Salvetti wrote:
> <#secure method=pgpmime mode=sign>
> - - - - -=-=-=-=-=- Don't Delete Anything Between These Lines =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
> [  3] Choice 1: Branden Robinson
> [  1] Choice 2: Raphael Hertzog
> [  2] Choice 3: Bdale Garbee
> [  4] Choice 4: None Of The Above
> 
> - - - - -=-=-=-=-=- Don't Delete Anything Between These Lines =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-

  That's what it is, to be Open ! ;-)

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Re: XFree 4.2.0 - again

[Ari Makela]

On Tue, Apr 16, 2002 at 06:04:09AM +0300, Lasse Karkkainen wrote:

> That's the result of reading your (=Debian developers') rude replies to 
> very polite questions asked by other people.

If you claim that your first post was polite I am truly amazed. It was
a very rude and very clueless attack against Branden. You owe him an 
apology.

If someone was rude to you you got what you asked for. 

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Re: XFree 4.2.0 - again

[Martin Pool]

On 16 Apr 2002, Lasse Karkkainen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Forgot to cc this to the list.. The message is attached.

Here's another clue, for free: when somebody specifically replies to
you rather to the list, and points that out in the message body, they
probably had a reason.  Going back on to the list is not perfect
etiquette.

> It's the hardware support. People are getting sick of VGA/VESA. I 
> thought that it would be obvious.

Hyperbole is not making you any more credible.  For example, I'm using
a 64MB FireGL2 (which does not even support VESA) on Brendan's xf86
4.1.

> the problem is that I know next to nothing about Debian.

So I see. :-)

Please do some reading first.  You might, for example, start here:

  http://www.tuxedo.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html

  http://www.tuxedo.org/~esr/writings/homesteading/homesteading/

(I know not everybody loves esr, but I think most would agree he's
more informed here than Lasse.)

Assuming you actually want to get better software and not just start
flamewars those documents should help.

> Also, if Branden is working on 4.1.0, why doesn't someone else do
> 4.2.0? Sounds like two separate projects to me.

The thing about most free software lists is that people are basically
not interested in your opinion about this until you can demonstrate
that it is an *informed* opinion.  Since you've admitted and
demonstrated you don't actually know anything much about XFree86 or
Debian (socially or politically) you're not doing well so far.  

Offering money comes second to having a clue, but it ought to be
something reasonably related to the effort involved, like say USD10k.
I have a feeling you had about $10 in mind.

> Then I'll be spending lot of time in the local library, trying to learn 
> how *nix/Debian work, 

That would be good.  Keep away from the email terminals :-)

Lasse, if you need more help understanding why your bozo bit just got
set, then please reply to me, not to the list.

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Re: XFree 4.2.0 - again

[Bas Zoetekouw]

Hi Lasse!

You wrote:

> You are probably sick and tired of this topic, but ...
> IT'S A QUARTER YEAR ANNIVERSARY OF 4.2.0 RELEASE!

Congratulations. Now please return to your Redhat box.

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Re: XFree 4.2.0 - again

[Paul Hedderly]

On Tue, Apr 16, 2002 at 12:01:10AM -0400, Daniel Burrows wrote:
> On Tue, Apr 16, 2002 at 06:30:20AM +0300, Lasse Karkkainen <[EMAIL 
> PROTECTED]> was heard to say:
> > I guess you didn't read my original message: the problem is that I know 
> > next to nothing about Debian.
> 
>   Yes, that sums it up pretty well.
> 
>   I'm feeling a bit generous, so I'll hand you a piece of advice, gratis.
> If I had to say what the fastest way is to get yourself flamed or ignored,
> it would probably be this:
> 

Aw Daniel - Don't go giving him a clue, I was really enjoying read
his drivel - haven't read anything quite like it for ages!

(At first I really thought he was joking...)

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because it isn't said enough

[Sean 'Shaleh' Perry]

I recently ran into this on my current project (blackbox window manager).

Too often as developers the people we talk to are the ones seeking help and
guidance.  Whether it is a bug, ignorance, stupidity, that crazy genius only
they will ever understand, whatever we deal with them, coddle them.  But in the
end they are usually the only people we deal with regularly.  It is a lot like
working tech support -- when someone wants to talk to us it is usally not a
mutual feeling (-:

So, I would just like to remind people to occasionally send a "thank you" to
those out there who make your day go by.  It really goes a long way to helping
us devel types deal with life.

In the past I had money and would buy one or two gifts a year for people who
really helped me out or did good things.  Most of us have experienced "man
what a horrible day/week/whatever" a few times in our lives.  Think back to one
of those days when someone gave you a beer, some chocolate, a hug.  Give this
to someone who has made your day go easier.  Whether it be the awesome new X
installer, debhelper making your package creation so painless, make-kpkg being
the coolest damn thing on earth, whatever.  Say thanks.  We all appreciate it.

If you need a silly reason to scrounge up $10 or $20 bucks, just remind
yourself how much you saved by not purchasing the 400megs of software on your
hard drive (-:  But as I said, just mailing out a big "thank you, your work is
used every day and I love it" is worth more than anything.

I now return you to the flame war, may his chosen deity have mercy on his soul.


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Re: XFree 4.2.0 - again

[Rich Rudnick]

On Mon, 2002-04-15 at 21:49, Riku Voipio wrote:
> On Tue, Apr 16, 2002 at 06:28:50AM +0300, Lasse Karkkainen wrote:
> > What comes to encouraging other people - guess what I'm doing right now.
>  
> No you are definetly not. You are pissing people off. 
> 
> > Other platforms aren't nearly as significant as i386 (not many users, no 
> > much new hardware).
> 
> You're arrogance makes me wonder if George W. Bush is related to you.
> 
> I'll give you a hint: we are volunteers, and we do this because it's
> fun. Messages like yours, that demand service for free just disgust.
> I guess after seeing your messages Branden goes out for a beer 
> rather an opens a editor to serve ungrateful kids.
> 

I'll chip in to pay for the beer, as long as he comes back.

(I'm just a user, and buying beer for developers could be my best
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Re: Bug #140769: frozen-bubble: RC bug

[Anthony Towns]

On Mon, Apr 15, 2002 at 10:29:39PM +0200, Josselin Mouette wrote:
> This is really annoying.
> 
> Maybe we have to find a way to prevent the game from working on the
> developers' machines.
> Does anyone mind my adding a conflict with debhelper (and maybe
> libc6-dev) ?

Hrm, well, I guess that in this case I for one'll have to announce my intent
to cease doing Debian development (and maybe C programming in general)...

Cheers,
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Re: XFree 4.2.0 - again

[Marc Wilson]

On Tue, Apr 16, 2002 at 12:23:27AM -0400, Sean Middleditch wrote:
> If you have one of the 3 chipsets only supported in 4.2, there is
> nothing stopping you from installing that.  Except that you are instead
> mucking around spouting ideas straight from your ass on a mailing list,
> instead of learning how to do what you need to (i.e., build X).

One of them is Matrox's G550, one of them is one or another of the
Radeon's, but what's the third?

And actually, the G550 is a no-brainer to add support for and re-do the
package. ^_^

/me wuvs his G550...

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Re: [SDL] SDL 1.2.4 debian packages

[Joseph Carter]

On Mon, Apr 15, 2002 at 10:56:43AM -0700, Sam Lantinga wrote:
> > I'm hitting a bit of a stumbling block in preparing SDL 1.2.4 packages for
> > woody.  The problem is that SDL does not work with ALSA 0.9 yet (I will do
> > something about this at some point, really I will...)
> 
> I've already implemented simple ALSA 0.9 support in SDL CVS.
> Possibly you could build a package off of that, after it's tested a bit?

So I saw about 10 minutes after sending the above message.

I have installed ALSA 0.9 here for the purposes of testing it.  The
problem is that the existing package in woody officially deserves a
cannot-build-from-source bug since it has two conflicting packages needed
to build it now.  I'll give it a few hours of extensive "testing" tomorrow
with frozen-bubble, Twilight, etc, etc, just to make sure the patch works
okay.

Most of the other patches to SDL since the version in woody now are only
compiled on archs we don't care about for the purposes of the Debian
package right now, so it's relatively safe to upload 1.2.4 - I'm just
concerned about the impending release of woody.  I still need to go
through the individial patches from 1.2.4cvs 20020303 to 1.2.4 release by
hand just to be sure that I don't break woody, but I'll be able to do that
tomorrow as well.  (This is why I asked for a -cvs list which included the
patches..)


Anyway, if all tests well, it seems like the best solution is SDL 1.2.4
with the distclean and ALSA 0.9 patches you've applied to 1.2.5cvs is what
I should upload, and probably targetted for woody to fix the build from
source bug.  It may take me a couple of days to do this since I need to
test the hell out of it all between now and then.

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