A powful tool

2002-04-19 Thread moor
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Re: Antigen found =*.pif file

2002-04-19 Thread Martijn van Oosterhout
On Sat, Apr 20, 2002 at 01:14:08AM +0100, Richard Kettlewell wrote:
> John Hasler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > Martin Waitz writes:
> 
> >> i guess antigen didn't specify any @ in From:, and the other mta's
> >> filled in their own name for some reason...
> >
> > That's the default behavior of all MTA's I'm familiar with.
> 
> Some MTAs do indeed qualify random unqualified addresses they find
> with their own mail domain name.

The reason is so the you can type mail  and have it end up at the
right place. i.e. you don't need to know the mail domain to send a mail to
the local user. They also fix the from address so that if the message is
forwarded offsite, the reply still makes it.

> Surely it's utterly obvious that this is a bug?  Are any of the faulty
> machines running Debian?

Well, it would be a bug to qualify random addresses received in headers. But
when a message comes in, when is it allowed to qualify it and when not?

This is quite old behaviour and if you try to "fix" it, I wouldn't be
surprised if a large number of programs fail. 
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Bug#143684: ITP: libapache-mod-tsunami -- Apache module which protects the web server against too many request for a single web directory

2002-04-19 Thread Julien Danjou
Package: wnpp
Version: N/A; reported 2002-04-20
Severity: wishlist

* Package name: libapache-mod-tsunami
  Version : 1.1
  Upstream Author : Bertrand Demiddelaer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
* URL : http://bert.tuxfamily.org/
* License : LGPL
  Description : Apache module which protects the web server against too 
many request for a single web directory


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Re: Antigen found =*.pif file

2002-04-19 Thread John Hasler
Martin Waitz writes:
> i guess antigen didn't specify any @ in From:, and the other mta's filled
> in their own name for some reason...

That's the default behavior of all MTA's I'm familiar with.
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Re: Antigen found =*.pif file

2002-04-19 Thread Martin Waitz
On Fri, Apr 19, 2002 at 11:08:50PM +0100, Carlos Sousa wrote:
> This auto-reply email was sent by the University of Missouri, KC, USA.
> How come the "From:" header line says it comes from my ISP's machine (at
> Porto, Portugal)? It sure has nothing to do with me or my ISP.

i received it with a From: line of my university.

i guess antigen didn't specify any @ in From:, and the other
mta's filled in their own name for some reason...

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Re: Where to place Ada (Gnat) libraries

2002-04-19 Thread Matthew Woodcraft
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>  I have a question: whydo we have to keep .adb files in the package
>  since .ads files are meant to contain the interface? (well, indeed
>  except from generics).

I don't know that we 'have to', but one reason to do so is that gnat can
inline subprograms across unit boundaries (-gnatn switch), but naturally
it needs access to the .adb file to do so. This is irrelevant unless the
package in question actually marks some subprograms as inline, of
course.

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Re: Antigen found =*.pif file

2002-04-19 Thread Carlos Sousa
On 19 Apr 2002 16:44:45 -0500
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
^
> ...
> You have received a file type that is not allowed to be sent at UMKC.
> ...
> The message was discovered in the folder: SMTP Messages\Inbound 
> located at University of Missouri/Kansas City/KC-MSXPROTO2.

This auto-reply email was sent by the University of Missouri, KC, USA.
How come the "From:" header line says it comes from my ISP's machine (at
Porto, Portugal)? It sure has nothing to do with me or my ISP.

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Re: Bug#142905: ITP: hotswap -- register/deregister hotswappable IDE hardware

2002-04-19 Thread Martin Waitz
On Mon, Apr 15, 2002 at 12:16:50AM +0200, Wouter Verhelst wrote:
> * URL : http://users.ox.ac.uk/~univ377/c600.html
leads to an 404:
The requested URL /~univ377/c600.html was not found on this server. 

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Antigen found =*.pif file

2002-04-19 Thread Antigen
You have received a file type that is not allowed to be sent at UMKC.
This file type is usually associated with email worms and viruses.
The sender can rename the file extension and re-send it if they wish. (i.e. 
rename .vbs to .vbtxt)

In a message with the subject of:  "Hello,please try again ScanMail has 
detected a virus!"
Sent from: EricYu  
At the email address of: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Antigen for Exchange found the file: Nt.pif  
Blocked by the filter filter .
The file is:  Removed.  

The message was sent to: ,debian-devel@lists.debian.org
The message was discovered in the folder: SMTP Messages\Inbound  located at 
University of Missouri/Kansas City/KC-MSXPROTO2.



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Hello,please try again ScanMail has detected a virus!

2002-04-19 Thread EricYu
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Bug#143659: ITP: jpilot-syncmal -- MAL plugin for jpilot (Palm Pilot desktop)

2002-04-19 Thread Ludovic Rousseau
Package: wnpp
Version: N/A; reported 2002-04-19
Severity: wishlist

* Package name: jpilot-syncmal
  Version : 0.70
  Upstream Author : Jason Day <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
* URL : http://jasonday.home.att.net/code/syncmal/syncmal.html
* License : Mozilla Public License
  Description : MAL plugin for jpilot (Palm Pilot desktop)

 jpilot-syncmal is a MAL (Mobile Application Link) plugin for jpilot.
 The real job to synchronise over the Internet is done by malsync.
 .
 The most famous MAL sites are AvantGo (www.avantgo.com) or Puma
 Technologies (www.pumatech.com) servers.




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Re: Where to place Ada (Gnat) libraries

2002-04-19 Thread Jérôme Marant
Matthew Woodcraft <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> Ian Sharpe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>Is there a Debian-preferred location for .ali files (etc) produced by
>>the Gnat Ada compiler? The pattern seems to be:
>>
>>  .a/.so files in /usr/lib
>>  .ali files in /usr/lib/xxx
>>  .ads/.adb files in /usr/include/xxx
>>
>>where xxx is the package that the library is a part of.
>
> The current packages aren't entirely consistent. libasis keeps the .ads
> and .adb files in /usr/lib/asis/ along with the .ali files.
>
> It might also be worth looking at Florian Weimer's proposed 'GNU Ada
> Environment Specification'[1], which proposes a different layout, with
> .ads and .adb files under /usr/{lib,share}/ada/adainclude, and .ali and
> .a files under /usr/lib/adalib.

  I have a question: whydo we have to keep .adb files in the package
  since .ads files are meant to contain the interface? (well, indeed
  except from generics).

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Re: Where to place Ada (Gnat) libraries

2002-04-19 Thread Matthew Woodcraft
Ian Sharpe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Is there a Debian-preferred location for .ali files (etc) produced by
>the Gnat Ada compiler? The pattern seems to be:
>
>  .a/.so files in /usr/lib
>  .ali files in /usr/lib/xxx
>  .ads/.adb files in /usr/include/xxx
>
>where xxx is the package that the library is a part of.

The current packages aren't entirely consistent. libasis keeps the .ads
and .adb files in /usr/lib/asis/ along with the .ali files.

It might also be worth looking at Florian Weimer's proposed 'GNU Ada
Environment Specification'[1], which proposes a different layout, with
.ads and .adb files under /usr/{lib,share}/ada/adainclude, and .ali and
.a files under /usr/lib/adalib.

I believe this structure comes from the Ada for Linux Team's RPMs, by
Jürgen Pfeifer [2].

-M-


[1] http://cert.uni-stuttgart.de/files/fw/gnae.html
[2] http://www.gnuada.org/alt.html


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Re: Technical Committee: decision on #119517?

2002-04-19 Thread Branden Robinson
On Fri, Apr 19, 2002 at 12:59:22PM +0200, Jochen Voss wrote:
> Hallo?
> 
> On Fri, Apr 19, 2002 at 01:20:32AM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote:
> > Over six months ago, on 2001-11-14, [...]
> Huh?  At what time do you live?

That's ISO 8601 date format.  However, s/six months/five months/, sorry.

Maybe last year felt like it was 13 months long.  ;-)

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Re: Technical Committee: decision on #119517?

2002-04-19 Thread Brian Mays
Jamie Wilkinson wrote:

> As Brian has made it clear that he does not wish to follow either
> suggestion made by Dale Scheetz (splitting the package or changing the
> Depends:) to ensure all executables supplied in the package run as
> expected, ...

While I have stated that I do not like the idea of splitting the
package, I would like to avoid speculating on the specific course of
action I would take should changes be found necessary.

For what it is worth, I have not asked the Technical Committee for a
specific solution; rather, I have asked them to rule on whether the
package, as it stands, is in violation of policy.  Branden thinks it
is, I think it is not.  Each of us can find other Debian developers who
share his point of view.

Since nobody in authority has informed me that my package is in
violation of policy, I have assumed that it is okay as is and the matter
has been decided by a "failure to rule" on the request.  Certainly, some
sort of time limit should be established for making these decisions.
Otherwise, the debate and discussion drags on and on, without end.
Personally, I have better things to do with my time than rehash my
arguments, all of which I have stated several times on the lists
already.

- Brian


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Re: Installation screen proposal (was Please test this woody cd image)

2002-04-19 Thread Wilmer van der Gaast
Svante [EMAIL PROTECTED]@Fri, 19 Apr 2002 09:08:13 +0200:
>  > 1. Is it possible to generate a boot log, and to be able to view it
>  >while installing?
>  > 
Alt-F4.. Or type dmesg in the rootshell..

>  > [2..] [3..]
>  >This enables you to see a way out of the
>  >install procedure, if needed.
>  
Ctrl-Alt-Delete is your friend..

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Re: Technical Committee: decision on #119517?

2002-04-19 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Fri, Apr 19, 2002 at 06:11:51AM -0500, Nathan E Norman wrote:

> On Fri, Apr 19, 2002 at 12:59:22PM +0200, Jochen Voss wrote:
> > Hallo?
> > 
> > On Fri, Apr 19, 2002 at 01:20:32AM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote:
> > > Over six months ago, on 2001-11-14, [...]
> ^^  ^
> ||  |
>   Year -+|  |
>   Month -+  |
>Day -+
> 
> > Huh?  At what time do you live?

I believe the point was that 2001-11-14 was less than six months ago.

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Re: a crude script to check shared library soname/package name integrity

2002-04-19 Thread Junichi Uekawa
Ulrich Eckhardt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> cum veritate scripsit:

> > for A in /var/lib/dpkg/info/*.shlibs; do awk '$3 !~ $2"$" {print $0}' $A;
> > done
> >
> A _lot_. However, what does this really check for ? And what are the 
> conclusions you can draw from that ?

It checks if the soname of a library as noted in the shlibs file 
matches the "soname" portion of the shared library package name.
Debian policy specifies that shared libraries be named in the
form of

lib

so they should match.


> A few excerpts from what I get, can you comment on them?
> 
> libconsole 0 console-tools-libs (= 1:0.2.3-23.3)
> libctutils 0 console-tools-libs (= 1:0.2.3-23.3)

They are versioned very strongly. 
If other programs use this library, they need to be recompiled 
on every upload of console-tools.

They should be named "libconsole0" or something like
that, and preferrably maintained with proper soname versioning.


> libcom_err 2 libcomerr2, e2fsprogs (>= 1.27-2)

If and when libcom_err.so.2 in e2fsprogs bumps up the soname, to
generate libcom_err.so.3, there will no longer be a package that
provides libcom_err.so.2, which means that packages compiled against
it won't work.

> libss 2 libss2, e2fsprogs (>= 1.27-2)
> libEterm 0.9.1 eterm

This should go into libetterm0.9.1, if other programs 
link to it

> /usr/lib/libfakeroot/libfakeroot 0

This is an exception

> libgif 3 libungif3g (>= 3.0-2) | giflib3g (>= 3.0-5.2)

This is an exception. We had this 3 -> 3g kind of
change for glibc transition.

> libgdkcardimage 0 gnome-card-games

This should go into a shared  library package of its own.

> libkmultipage 0 kview (>= 4:2.2.2-0)

ditto

> kword 0 kword

This shouldn't be in the shlibs file.

> libdl   1   ldso (>= 1.9.7-0)

This probably doesn't belong in shlibs file ?

> libbz2  0   libbz2

The package name should have been libbz2-0.

> /lib/ld-linux 2 libc6 (>= 2.2.4-4)
> ld-linux 2 libc6 (>= 2.2.4-4)

I really doubt if any program should 
link with ld-linux...

> libdl 2 libc6 (>= 2.2.4-4)
> libpam_misc 0 libpam0g (>= 0.72-1)
> libpamc 0 libpam0g (>= 0.72-1)


This is the remains of glibc transition.
I think the most problematic one I found was
"procps" . It's linked in by many programs,
and I had experienced a breakage in the past.






regards,
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Changing my name in the control file of my packages

2002-04-19 Thread Juan Alvarez
Hello, initially i have this name in the control file of my packages,
and in the database of the new maintainers page:
Juan Rafael Alvarez Correa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

My name in the packages is change to:
Juan Alvarez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Is it possible to correct my name in the new maintainers database.

Thanks

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Re: Intent to hijack: gnuchess

2002-04-19 Thread Tille, Andreas
On Fri, 19 Apr 2002, Thimo Neubauer wrote:

> Speak now or hold your peace forever :)
Thanks for caring about this package!

Have a nice weekend

  Andreas.


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Intent to hijack: gnuchess

2002-04-19 Thread Thimo Neubauer
Hello,

I'm going to hijack the gnuchess package. Well, actually I'm going to
sponsor an upstream author (Lukas Geyer) with it. He has already
created the two packages (gnuchess and gnuchess-book), there are only
a few things that have to be resolved until we upload the package.

The last two gnuchess uploads were NMUs the maintainer of gnuchess
Martin Mitchell never responded on. He also didn't object the recent
thread on this list about gnuchess, nor did he answer the mails of
Lukas and me. I already told him that I want to take over the package.

Speak now or hold your peace forever :)

CU
   Thimo

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Re: Installation screen proposal (was Please test this woody cd image)

2002-04-19 Thread Sean Middleditch
I think you're a little late... boot floppies are frozen, are they not?

On Fri, 2002-04-19 at 03:08, Svante Signell wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> When booting the Woody CD you are presented to the information screen
> giving general information and ways to get help, etc _before_ choosing
> which kernel to boot.
> 
> After choosing kernel and booting, however, you immediately get to the
> 'Choose language', 'Choose Language Variant' and 'Release Notes'
> screens without any means to back out, correct mistakes etc. Finally
> after the first four screens you enter the 'Installation Main Menu'.
> 
> I have the following proposal of an additional installation screen, as
> follows:
> 
> =
> After the initial screen, and _before_ entering the language choice
> present another screen, telling the user what is happening next, eg:
> 
> Welcome to Debian GNU/Linux 3.0/Woody. You have chosen to boot kernel xx, eg 
> bf42. 
> 
> The steps to follow next in the installation procedure are:
> 1) Choose Language 
> 2) Choose Language Variant 
> 3) Read Release notes 
> 4) Enter Installation Main Menu
> 
> When you enter the Main menu, several choices will be presented, and a
> default path for install will also be given. From there you will have
> the choice to back out of the installation if needed.
> 
> If you feel unsure, need to get more information, make adjustments etc
> before proceeding you now have the choice to back out by removing the
> installation CD and press  or  now.  This is
> also the way to go if you want to restart the installation using
> another kernel.
> 
> For those of who are interested in the boot log you can do so by ...
> (enter text here)
> 
> 
> In my opinion this would help especially new Debian users to feel more
> comfortable with what is going to happen during the install. (I know
> that a graphical installer is in the works, but not until woody+1)
> 
> Best wishes,
> Svante Signell
> 
> Below follows unanswered question in an earlier posting.  srs writes:
> > Addtional boxes boot-tested with woody-isolinux:
>  > 
>  > Boxdisksidepci  bf24
>  > Comapaq Presario 5640/5670 IDE   OK OK
>  > Dell Dimension XPS 733rIDE   OK OK
>  > Dual Celeron MSI6120   SCSI+IDE  OK OK
>  > Em2 QDI Brilliant  SCSI  OK OK (compact tested OK too)
>  > Dell Inspiron 4100 laptop  IDE   OK OK
>  > 
>  > A few comments about the installer program:
>  > 
>  > 1. Is it possible to generate a boot log, and to be able to view it
>  >while installing?
>  > 
>  > 2. It would be nice to be able to back out, or doing a reboot _before_
>  >having to go as long as to the keyboard setup phase. You maybe
>  >changed your mind before coming that far: What am I doing?, I don't
>  >have all info available!, whats happening next?, I want to quit the
>  >install!, etc.
>  > 
>  > 3. When coming to the part of the install where you have several
>  >choices, the reboot, restart and prevoius step options should be
>  >higher up in the menu. This enables you to see a way out of the
>  >install procedure, if needed.
>  > 
>  > Eagerly waiting for the woody release,
>  > Svante Signell
>  > 
> 
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Re: a crude script to check shared library soname/package name integrity

2002-04-19 Thread Ulrich Eckhardt
On Friday 19 April 2002 01:06, Junichi Uekawa wrote:
> This line can be used to crudely check for suspicious
> soname/package name integrity, run it on your system, and
> see how much comes up :
>
>
> for A in /var/lib/dpkg/info/*.shlibs; do awk '$3 !~ $2"$" {print $0}' $A;
> done
>
A _lot_. However, what does this really check for ? And what are the 
conclusions you can draw from that ?
A few excerpts from what I get, can you comment on them?

libconsole 0 console-tools-libs (= 1:0.2.3-23.3)
libctutils 0 console-tools-libs (= 1:0.2.3-23.3)
libcom_err 2 libcomerr2, e2fsprogs (>= 1.27-2)
libss 2 libss2, e2fsprogs (>= 1.27-2)
libEterm 0.9.1 eterm
/usr/lib/libfakeroot/libfakeroot 0
libgif 3 libungif3g (>= 3.0-2) | giflib3g (>= 3.0-5.2)
libgdkcardimage 0 gnome-card-games
libkmultipage 0 kview (>= 4:2.2.2-0)
kword 0 kword
libdl   1   ldso (>= 1.9.7-0)
libbz2  0   libbz2
/lib/ld-linux 2 libc6 (>= 2.2.4-4)
ld-linux 2 libc6 (>= 2.2.4-4)
libdl 2 libc6 (>= 2.2.4-4)
libpam_misc 0 libpam0g (>= 0.72-1)
libpamc 0 libpam0g (>= 0.72-1)

thanks,
Ulrich Eckhardt


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A humour game

2002-04-19 Thread precision
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Re: Potato->Woody kernel upgrade problems

2002-04-19 Thread Russell Coker
On Fri, 19 Apr 2002 13:40, Andreas Schuldei wrote:
> * Russell Coker ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [020419 13:31]:
> > > Did the initrd load at all? If it did then it could be a bug in
> > > initrd-tools.  Please show me the boot messages.
>
> an other reason for failiour was that the space in the /boot
> partion was used up. I made my boot partition just big enough for
> a few kernels in the old days. today that could be not enough.

Another possibility is bug 142916.  This resulted in one of my machines 
becoming non-bootable.

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Re: Potato->Woody kernel upgrade problems

2002-04-19 Thread Andreas Schuldei
* Russell Coker ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [020419 13:31]:
> > Did the initrd load at all? If it did then it could be a bug in
> > initrd-tools.  Please show me the boot messages.

an other reason for failiour was that the space in the /boot
partion was used up. I made my boot partition just big enough for
a few kernels in the old days. today that could be not enough.


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Re: Spamassassin 2.11 and razor 1.20

2002-04-19 Thread Robert van der Meulen

Quoting Joey Hess ([EMAIL PROTECTED]):
> Duncan Findlay wrote:
> > Is there any way of keeping razor out of woody until spamassassin 2.2 can be
> > uploaded? (I could file an RC bug, but is there a better solution?)
> 
> You could simply make spamassassin conflict with the razor it doesn't
> work for, and somehow get it into woody first. Or coordinate with the
> razor author and get it to conflict with the versions of spamassassin it
> breaks.

A couple of days should be just about enough ? Is this a valid reason to use
urgency=high on the next spamasassin upload ?

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Re: Potato->Woody kernel upgrade problems

2002-04-19 Thread Russell Coker
On Fri, 19 Apr 2002 11:47, Herbert Xu wrote:
> Michael Piefel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > No Disk
> >  The old kernel was handcrafted. The new one makes an initial RAM disk
> > and loads the modules mentioned in /etc/modules. Of course, the disk
> > driver had been compiled in before. I'm not sure what to do about this.
> > kernel-image _could_ have warned about the missing SCSI driver, but I
> > guess it's difficult. Perhaps an even bigger note about the perils of
> > installing a new kernel?
>
> Did the initrd load at all? If it did then it could be a bug in
> initrd-tools.  Please show me the boot messages.

Also it could simply be a matter of not having a configuration line in the 
lilo.conf file to load the initrd...

The latest version of lilo gives messages such as the following when run with 
the -v option, so a kernel package could check that the initrd was mapped for 
an initrd kernel...

Boot image: /vmlinuz -> boot/vmlinuz-2.4.18-lsm
Mapping RAM disk /initrd.img -> boot/initrd.img-2.4.18-lsm

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Re: Technical Committee: decision on #119517?

2002-04-19 Thread Nathan E Norman
On Fri, Apr 19, 2002 at 12:59:22PM +0200, Jochen Voss wrote:
> Hallo?
> 
> On Fri, Apr 19, 2002 at 01:20:32AM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote:
> > Over six months ago, on 2001-11-14, [...]
^^  ^
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   Day -+

> Huh?  At what time do you live?

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Re: Technical Committee: decision on #119517?

2002-04-19 Thread Jochen Voss
Hallo?

On Fri, Apr 19, 2002 at 01:20:32AM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote:
> Over six months ago, on 2001-11-14, [...]
Huh?  At what time do you live?

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Re: Potato->Woody kernel upgrade problems

2002-04-19 Thread Herbert Xu
Michael Piefel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> No Disk
>  The old kernel was handcrafted. The new one makes an initial RAM disk
> and loads the modules mentioned in /etc/modules. Of course, the disk
> driver had been compiled in before. I'm not sure what to do about this.
> kernel-image _could_ have warned about the missing SCSI driver, but I
> guess it's difficult. Perhaps an even bigger note about the perils of
> installing a new kernel?

Did the initrd load at all? If it did then it could be a bug in
initrd-tools.  Please show me the boot messages.
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Bug#143568: ITP: ragel -- finite state machine to c/c++ compiler

2002-04-19 Thread Robert Lemmen
Package: wnpp
Version: N/A; reported 2002-04-19
Severity: wishlist

* Package name: ragel
  Version : 1.1.0
  Upstream Author : Adrian Thurston <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
* URL : http://www.ragel.ca/ragel
* License : GPL
  Description : finite state machine to c/c++ compiler


-- System Information
Debian Release: 3.0
Architecture: i386
Kernel: Linux sandbender 2.2.20 #6 Mon Jan 28 01:14:46 CET 2002 i686
Locale: LANG=en_US, LC_CTYPE=en_US



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Bug#143565: ITP: wmsetimon -- Dock app which show you the current state of your SETI@Home units

2002-04-19 Thread Julien Danjou
Package: wnpp
Version: N/A; reported 2002-04-19
Severity: wishlist

* Package name: wmsetimon
  Version : 0.4
  Upstream Author : redseb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
* URL : http://www.goupilfr.org/creations/
* License : GPL
  Description : Dock app which show you the current state of your [EMAIL 
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Debian Release: 3.0
Architecture: i386
Kernel: Linux scar 2.4.19pre1 #64 Sat Apr 6 18:39:01 CEST 2002 i686
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Re: L10n of Debconf templates

2002-04-19 Thread Tomohiro KUBOTA
Hi,

At Fri, 19 Apr 2002 10:00:31 +0200,
Michael Piefel wrote:

> Am 19.04.02 um 00:05:14 schrieb Tollef Fog Heen:
> > Would anybody weep if we deprecated putting all the translations in
> > one file?
> 
> I wouldn't weep. Seperate files is a very reasonable thing to do.

If we don't use UTF-8, one file with various languages means one file
with various encodings.

One file with various encoding brings difficulty editing multibyte
encodings.

For example, EUC-JP-aware (i.e., Japanese-enabled) editor may destroy
byte sequences which cannot be interpreted as EUC-JP.  Editors which
don't destory any byte sequences (i.e., editors which treat the contents
as byte sequences, not as characters) are not Japanese (Korean
Chinese)-capable.

Thus, it is a very bad idea to build one file with various encodings.
(I am always forced to use tricky way to edit some of Debian webpage
files which contain various languages in one file.  I hope I (or someone)
will have time to improve this situation.)

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Re: Potato->Woody kernel upgrade problems

2002-04-19 Thread Eduard Bloch
#include 
Michael Piefel wrote on Thu Apr 18, 2002 um 03:32:59PM:

> The Crash
>   Well, simply, it was the wrong kernel. The guide recommends to install
> a new kernel with: apt-get install kernel-image-2.4.18-{386,586tsc,686}
> However, the system has a AMD K6. Of course it's his fault for choosing

We could rewrite it, with:

 - mentioning -k6 and -k7
 - recomendation to use 2.4.18-bf2.4 if you don't want to touch the boot
   loader's config for now

> and loads the modules mentioned in /etc/modules. Of course, the disk
> driver had been compiled in before. I'm not sure what to do about this.
> kernel-image _could_ have warned about the missing SCSI driver, but I

The kernel-image's postinst shows a warning and simple hints about
needed changes in the boot loader. If you did not see a such screen,
file bugs. If you did, but ignored, then nobody can help you.

> No Net
>   The appropriate alias for eth0 was missing. This is a case of getting

What dou you mean with "missing"?

> tired with all those "config file was changed by you or a script"

/etc/network/interfaces is not provided by a package. Though it must be
updated by ifupdown upgrade. If it was NOT upgraded, please file a bug.

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Re: Potato->Woody kernel upgrade problems

2002-04-19 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le ven 19/04/2002 à 09:57, Michael Piefel a écrit :

> He just went for the best: 686. It seems that one doesn't work on k6
> anymore.

That one wasn't ever meant for k6, which is not a 686 cpu.

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Re: Technical Committee: decision on #119517?

2002-04-19 Thread Jamie Wilkinson
This one time, at band camp, Branden Robinson wrote:
>Over six months ago, on 2001-11-14, Bug #119517 was submitted to the
>Technical Committee for a ruling.  No member of the Technical Committe
>has participated in any public discussion of this bug (at least in the
>bug logs or in available messages from the debian-ctte list archives)
>since 2001-12-04, and no apparently discussion of any sort since
>2002-02-26.

As Brian has made it clear[1] that he does not wish to follow either
suggestion made by Dale Scheetz[2] (splitting the package or changing the
Depends:) to ensure all executables supplied in the package run as expected,
IMHO the solution is as Ian Jackson proposed:

|(a) The pcmcia-cs maintainer could choose to make `cardinfo' be a
|script which checked whether the appropriate libraries were present
|and otherwise produced a more helpful error message.

Bugs that turn into political debates are boring.

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Re: L10n of Debconf templates

2002-04-19 Thread Michael Piefel
Am 19.04.02 um 00:05:14 schrieb Tollef Fog Heen:
> Would anybody weep if we deprecated putting all the translations in
> one file?

I wouldn't weep. Seperate files is a very reasonable thing to do.

Bye,
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Re: Potato->Woody kernel upgrade problems

2002-04-19 Thread Michael Piefel
Am 18.04.02 um 16:21:55 schrieb Bob Nielsen:
> > > a new kernel with: apt-get install kernel-image-2.4.18-{386,586tsc,686}
> > > However, the system has a AMD K6. Of course it's his fault for choosing
> > 386, 486, and 586 kernels work fine on a K6.  When in doubt use a 386 
> > kernel, 
> > it'll run on any x86 system that runs Linux.

He just went for the best: 686. It seems that one doesn't work on k6
anymore.

> 2.4.18 has a k6 kernel-image, as well (also k7).

Of course, yes, but it wasn't mentioned in the docs. That's why I think
it'd be good to mention either all flavours or say that there are many
and you should look closely.

Bye,
Mike

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Re: Potato->Woody kernel upgrade problems

2002-04-19 Thread Michael Piefel
Am 19.04.02 um 00:51:24 schrieb Josip Rodin:
> > The old kernel was handcrafted.
>  he chose to trash all that and instead follow some random
> newbie instructions? :)

Well, there was a time when I compiled all my kernels myself, but then
one day I got intrigued by our high-quality kernel-packages with their
initrd... Since that time I always recommend the package to everyone,
this makes me the one who is to blame. ;(

Bye,
Mike

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Installation screen proposal (was Please test this woody cd image)

2002-04-19 Thread Svante Signell
Hello,

When booting the Woody CD you are presented to the information screen
giving general information and ways to get help, etc _before_ choosing
which kernel to boot.

After choosing kernel and booting, however, you immediately get to the
'Choose language', 'Choose Language Variant' and 'Release Notes'
screens without any means to back out, correct mistakes etc. Finally
after the first four screens you enter the 'Installation Main Menu'.

I have the following proposal of an additional installation screen, as
follows:

=
After the initial screen, and _before_ entering the language choice
present another screen, telling the user what is happening next, eg:

Welcome to Debian GNU/Linux 3.0/Woody. You have chosen to boot kernel xx, eg 
bf42. 

The steps to follow next in the installation procedure are:
1) Choose Language 
2) Choose Language Variant 
3) Read Release notes 
4) Enter Installation Main Menu

When you enter the Main menu, several choices will be presented, and a
default path for install will also be given. From there you will have
the choice to back out of the installation if needed.

If you feel unsure, need to get more information, make adjustments etc
before proceeding you now have the choice to back out by removing the
installation CD and press  or  now.  This is
also the way to go if you want to restart the installation using
another kernel.

For those of who are interested in the boot log you can do so by ...
(enter text here)


In my opinion this would help especially new Debian users to feel more
comfortable with what is going to happen during the install. (I know
that a graphical installer is in the works, but not until woody+1)

Best wishes,
Svante Signell

Below follows unanswered question in an earlier posting.  srs writes:
> Addtional boxes boot-tested with woody-isolinux:
 > 
 > Boxdisksidepci  bf24
 > Comapaq Presario 5640/5670 IDE   OK OK
 > Dell Dimension XPS 733rIDE   OK OK
 > Dual Celeron MSI6120   SCSI+IDE  OK OK
 > Em2 QDI Brilliant  SCSI  OK OK (compact tested OK too)
 > Dell Inspiron 4100 laptop  IDE   OK OK
 > 
 > A few comments about the installer program:
 > 
 > 1. Is it possible to generate a boot log, and to be able to view it
 >while installing?
 > 
 > 2. It would be nice to be able to back out, or doing a reboot _before_
 >having to go as long as to the keyboard setup phase. You maybe
 >changed your mind before coming that far: What am I doing?, I don't
 >have all info available!, whats happening next?, I want to quit the
 >install!, etc.
 > 
 > 3. When coming to the part of the install where you have several
 >choices, the reboot, restart and prevoius step options should be
 >higher up in the menu. This enables you to see a way out of the
 >install procedure, if needed.
 > 
 > Eagerly waiting for the woody release,
 > Svante Signell
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Re: Potato->Woody kernel upgrade problems

2002-04-19 Thread Wilmer van der Gaast
Martijn van [EMAIL PROTECTED]@Fri, 19 Apr 2002 09:50:42 +1000:
>  The solution to this is to stuff all your own aliases under something like
>  /etc/modules/mine or something like that. Then they will never been
>  overwritten (except if a package named "mine" decides it needs some modules
>  :)
>  
Hmmm local-mine?

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Technical Committee: decision on #119517?

2002-04-19 Thread Branden Robinson
Over six months ago, on 2001-11-14, Bug #119517 was submitted to the
Technical Committee for a ruling.  No member of the Technical Committe
has participated in any public discussion of this bug (at least in the
bug logs or in available messages from the debian-ctte list archives)
since 2001-12-04, and no apparently discussion of any sort since
2002-02-26.

Does the Technical Committee have any plans to issue any statement on
this issue?  Either an affirmative statement regarding the issue on
point, or a statement that the Committee refuses to countenance the
it?  If the latter, please provide some reasoning as to why, as Section
6.3.6 of the Constitution appears to be applicable:

Technical Committee makes decisions only as last resort.

The Technical Committee does not make a technical decision until
efforts to resolve it via consensus have been tried and failed,
unless it has been asked to make a decision by the person or
body who would normally be responsible for it.

Note that the "unless" clause is applicable here, as the package
maintainer explicitly requested a ruling from the Technical Committee.
In fact, both disputants made such a request.

Thanks for your attention.

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Re: XFree 4.2.0 - again

2002-04-19 Thread Joseph Carter
On Wed, Apr 17, 2002 at 09:16:49PM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote:
> >  this is the New Overfiend, preacher of Love and Tolerance
> 
> I see your irony detector is as non-functional as ever... :)

Oh it works just fine.  It just _had_ to be said, sooner or later

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Re: Where to place Ada (Gnat) libraries

2002-04-19 Thread Jérôme Marant
David Starner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> On Thu, Apr 18, 2002 at 10:47:54PM +0100, Ian Sharpe wrote:
>> Is there a Debian-preferred location for .ali files (etc) produced by 
>> the Gnat Ada compiler? The pattern seems to be:
>> 
>>  .a/.so files in /usr/lib
>>  .ali files in /usr/lib/xxx
>>  .ads/.adb files in /usr/include/xxx
>> 
>> where xxx is the package that the library is a part of.
>
> If that's what the pattern is, then that's what you probably do. There
> is no formal standard for where Ada pieces go. I've thought about
> starting a debian-ada mailing list, which would be a fine place to argue
> out all the details for a possible Ada policy or details to add to
> Debian Policy. 

  Yes please. I'm currently interested in Ada and I might release
  some packages some day.

  Cheers,

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Bug#143548: ITP: ipm -- PHP-based tasklist/project management

2002-04-19 Thread David B Harris
Package: wnpp
Version: N/A; reported 2002-04-19
Severity: wishlist

* Package name: ipm
  Version : 0.9
  Upstream Author : phlux <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
* URL : http://udpviper.com/project.php?project=ipm
* License : GPL
  Description : PHP-based tasklist/project management

IPM is short for the Incyte Project Manager. It is a featureful
PHP-based project/task management system. While it doesn't integrate
with any "groupware", it does its job simply and well - it manages tasks
and projects made up of tasks :)

-- System Information
Debian Release: 3.0
Architecture: i386
Kernel: Linux willow 2.4.18-xfs-a0 #1 Tue Apr 16 15:57:44 CDT 2002 i686
Locale: LANG=en_CA, LC_CTYPE=en_CA



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