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private debian pools

2002-12-06 Thread Brian May

I have a set of scripts for creating private debian package pools,
available at:

http://www.microcomaustralia.com.au/debian/bin2/>.

These scripts will allow you to create and maintain a private archive
with multiple distributions, architectures, etc. No database is
required. See 

http://www.microcomaustralia.com.au/debian/> for a sample.

If somebody wants to help tidy up this code and package it for Debian, I
will be willing to maintain the Debian package for Debian.

This probably will involve going through the README file and fixing the
things I have labeled "FIXME" (most of these should be simple to
fix, not sure about the bugs in rmfiles yet though).

If you want to do any work on it, please let me know simply so I can
tell you if I have made any changes (as I do more testing if I find any
bugs I may simply fix them without warning).

If anyone else is interested, cvs.debian.org might be a good idea, too...

A name is required (bin2 doesn't suit IMHO!).

Design note:

I have tried to make all scripts as simple as possible (except
dpkg-scan* which are hacked versions of the Debian programs).

Everything uses dsc.pm in order to read the *.changes file, to ensure
that the programs remain small.

dpkg-scanpackages and dpkg-scansources have been hacked to take a file
with a list of packages as a parameter.

dpkg-scanudebs does the same thing as dpkg-scanpackages but for udebs.

Ideally the original versions of these packages should support the
functionality required, so these hacked versions wouldn't be required.
--
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Re: description writing guide

2002-12-06 Thread Joey Hess

Herbert Xu wrote:
> > Don't forget:
> > 
> > 3. It can easily fails if a sentence happens to end at the end of a line.
> >   Like the previous sentence, which only a computer programmer would
> >   think to add two spaces at the end of. :-)
> 
> Not if you also require abbreviations to not extend across lines, i.e.,
> U. S. A. rather than U.
> S. A.

The reader wonders about ending a line using Mr.
Herbert Xu's method -- does it truely avoid all
sentence parsing ambiguity?  Should a dumb program
render this reply as two sentences, or as three?

-- 
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Using kernel-build packages to autobuild modules

2002-12-06 Thread David Z Maze

The perennial wart on the side of kernel module packages is that it's
a big pain to auto-build modules for the stock kernels.  It looks like
the 2.4.20 kernel packages now include a kernel-build package, which
advertises that it contains everything you need to do module builds.
Is there a good way to drop this into module builds?

The fundamental problem seems to be that I want to build-depend on
kernel-build-2.4.20, and then build a module for each of the flavors
in /usr/src/kernel-build-2.4.20.  But which flavors exactly exist
varies per platform, and might also vary between builds of the
kernel.  This means that the contents of debian/control need to be
different on each platform.  I could put every possible
architecture/version/flavor triple in debian/control, but this seems
unmaintainable.  Any hints?

-- 
David Maze [EMAIL PROTECTED]  http://people.debian.org/~dmaze/
"Theoretical politics is interesting.  Politicking should be illegal."
-- Abra Mitchell

Re: account on IA-64 sought.

2002-12-06 Thread Joshua Haberman

* martin f krafft ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> the author of gjay is troubled by
> 
> http://buildd.debian.org/build.php?&pkg=gjay&ver=0.2.2-1&arch=ia64&file=log
> 
> and is looking for ways to troubleshoot this. short of letting him
> access a debian developer machine running on IA-64 through my account -
> which would be a violation - is there someone out there willing to let
> him an account for compilation and debugging for a few days until this
> is fixed? the machine should have xlibs et al. installed (though an
> X server is not necessary. just ssh X-forwarding should work), and if
> it's near california/san francisco, that would be even better.

I'm in exactly the same situation with regard to Erik de Castro Lopo and
libsndfile:

http://buildd.debian.org/fetch.php?&pkg=libsndfile&ver=1.0.0-1&arch=ia64&stamp=1032203547&file=log&as=raw

So if someone is likewise willing to give him an ia64 account I would
much appreciate it.

Side note: the ia64 autobuilders didn't even try to build the latest
version of this package.  Why?  There is a "doesn't build on ia64" bug
filed on the package, do the buildd's notice this?

Josh

-- 
Josh Haberman
Debian GNU/Linux developer

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Re: kernel-image-2.4.19-i386-udeb-2.4.19

2002-12-06 Thread Brian May

On Sat, Dec 07, 2002 at 01:39:41AM +0100, Bastian Blank wrote:
> On Sat, Dec 07, 2002 at 11:31:52AM +1100, Brian May wrote:
> > So then what would you suggest should happen?
> 
> DEBIAN_FRONTEND exists. it should be set to noninteractive (can't
> currently test that). it is only set to that value on request of the
> user or in build chroot.

It seems to be set for a "pbuilder login" operation on the stable
version of pbuilder.

So do you think debian-image should check the value of DEBIAN_FRONTEND?

Sounds like a good idea to me...
--
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Re: kernel-image-2.4.19-i386-udeb-2.4.19

2002-12-06 Thread Bastian Blank

On Sat, Dec 07, 2002 at 11:31:52AM +1100, Brian May wrote:
> So then what would you suggest should happen?

DEBIAN_FRONTEND exists. it should be set to noninteractive (can't
currently test that). it is only set to that value on request of the
user or in build chroot.

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Re: kernel-image-2.4.19-i386-udeb-2.4.19

2002-12-06 Thread Brian May

On Fri, Dec 06, 2002 at 11:47:07AM +0100, Bastian Blank wrote:
> On Thu, Dec 05, 2002 at 09:22:04PM +1100, Brian May wrote:
> > My preferred option is 3. However, by itself it is still not sufficient
> > as it kernel-image-2.4.19-386 fails to install when making the initrd
> > image (which ironically isn't even required). I ended up hacking
> > a simple /etc/fstab file to work around this.
> 
> no, 1 or 2 are the correct solution, pbuilder don't need to know
> something about the packages to build.

So then what would you suggest should happen?

(if you simply make it so that kernel-image can install without
asking questions then that could make it potentially unsafe for the
general case).
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Re: Bug#171693: ITP: wondershaper -- a script to set up QoS, mainly for home users

2002-12-06 Thread martin f krafft

also sprach Jan Niehusmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2002.12.06.1552 +0100]:
> I'd say a package wich only works with a recent kernel version is not a
> problem. Add a note to the description, and let the program detect
> availability of the necessary features at runtime, with a meaningfull
> error message if the feature is missing.

that's a great idea. a grep on /proc/ksyms seems to be a good way,
does it not?

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account on IA-64 sought.

2002-12-06 Thread martin f krafft

the author of gjay is troubled by

http://buildd.debian.org/build.php?&pkg=gjay&ver=0.2.2-1&arch=ia64&file=log

and is looking for ways to troubleshoot this. short of letting him
access a debian developer machine running on IA-64 through my account -
which would be a violation - is there someone out there willing to let
him an account for compilation and debugging for a few days until this
is fixed? the machine should have xlibs et al. installed (though an
X server is not necessary. just ssh X-forwarding should work), and if
it's near california/san francisco, that would be even better.

cheers,

ps: chuck is a prospective debian developer who'd i recommend for the
position without the tiniest hesitation.

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Re: bill gates Linux

2002-12-06 Thread martin f krafft

also sprach [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2002.12.06.1207 +0100]:
>  The Linux "kernal" can't be so 
>  foreign a language that it can be
>  copied ???

you are using Windows, don't forget that. it's impaired. you need
control over vital sectors of the hdd, which Windoze
inf^H^H^Hprotects.

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2002-12-06 Thread a_dvd

Title: 抱歉打擾

Re: description writing guide

2002-12-06 Thread Herbert Xu

Joey Hess <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> Don't forget:
> 
> 3. It can easily fails if a sentence happens to end at the end of a line.
>   Like the previous sentence, which only a computer programmer would
>   think to add two spaces at the end of. :-)

Not if you also require abbreviations to not extend across lines, i.e.,
U. S. A. rather than U.
S. A.
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Re: [console-data] upgrade problem in preconfigure

2002-12-06 Thread Steve Greenland

(re-arranged a little)
> On Fri, 2002-12-06 at 11:52, Arnaud Vandyck wrote:
> > I just point my apt source list to test unstable and console-data does
> > not like it!... Here is the message and dselect just stop (I have to
> > C-c to get out):
> > 

On 06-Dec-02, 12:57 (CST), Alastair McKinstry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
> No, its a sign that the console-data maintainer (me) doesn't know what
> is the best keymap for each of the given (human) languages/keymaps, and
> needs help!

Alastair, did you miss the "dselect just stop (I have to C-c to
get out)" part of Arnaud's message? Because you can't just hang an
installation run because you're having to guess a default. (I don't
think you are, actually, because I've seen the barrage of keymap
messages before, but never had a problem with it hanging.)

Steve

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Re: description writing guide

2002-12-06 Thread Steve Greenland

On 06-Dec-02, 11:25 (CST), Joey Hess <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
> Don't forget:
> 
> 3. It can easily fails if a sentence happens to end at the end of a line.
>Like the previous sentence, which only a computer programmer would
>think to add two spaces at the end of. :-)

Nah, programmers know that whitespace (>1) is syntactically irrelevant,
and will *never* get it right! :-)

Steve

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Re: Planned mass-filing of bugs: java packages only depending on java-common

2002-12-06 Thread Ola Lundqvist

On Thu, Dec 05, 2002 at 02:55:22AM -0800, Stephen Zander wrote:
> 

Hi

There are several reasons why they are split.

1) some compilers do not require a jvm.
2) Some things compile the classes to bytecode the will not
   need the jvm. This is why it is very explictly written in the
   java policy that the java-virtual-machine should be suggested
   for java libraries.

If java[12]-runtime is just a superset of java-virtual-machine
there is no reason for having such an explict thing for libraries
in the policy and you will always need to install a jvm even if you
might not need it.

> Ok, I should stop reading mail at 3am...

:)

> > "Simon" == Simon Richter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Simon> I think the autobuilder argument is valid. Autobuilders
> Simon> need the classes, but not the VM. If at all, you can make
> Simon> the VMs depend on the core classes, so people can depend on
> Simon> the core classes for compiling and a vm for execution.
> 
> Yes, if the jvm depended on the -runtime that would address half the
> depndency issue but that's putting the cart before the horse.  Having
> java-compiler depend on java1-runtime might help but in at least two
> cases that wouyld still result in a jvm being installed so why
> complicate things?

Because some people like to describe complicated things in a
complex way? :)

Regards,

// Ola

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Re: Bug#172037: ITP: styx, styx-{dev,doc}, lib[dx]styx -- a combined parser/scanner generator

2002-12-06 Thread Siggy Brentrup

Sorry, I forgot to mention preliminary packages for i386 and mips
are available at http://xlab.winnegan.de/styx/

On Fri, Dec 06, 2002 at 08:21:25PM +0100, Siggy Brentrup wrote:
> Package: wnpp
> Version: unavailable; reported 2002-12-06
> Severity: wishlist
> 
> * Package name: styx, styx-{dev,doc}, lib[dx]styx
>   Version : 1.5.1
>   Upstream Author : Heike Manns <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Lars Doelle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> * URL : http://www.speculate.de/styx
> * License : GPL, (LGPL for libdstyx)
>   Description : combined parser/scanner generator
> 
>  The package facilitates application development including
>  user-defined context free languages.
>  .
>  It's development model deviates from the traditional lex/yacc pair
>  (flex/bison in Debian) by automating tedious tasks which are
>  commonly implemented in yacc's actions.
>  .
>  Styx automatically derives a depth grammar, generates reentrant
>  parsers that support persistent derivation trees, preserve full
>  source information, support unicode and are thread safe.
> 
> -- System Information:
> Debian Release: testing/unstable
> Architecture: i386
> Kernel: Linux keuner 2.4.19-keuner #1 Thu Sep 19 12:28:09 CEST 2002 i686
> Locale: LANG=C, LC_CTYPE=C




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Bug#172037: ITP: styx, styx-{dev,doc}, lib[dx]styx -- a combined parser/scanner generator

2002-12-06 Thread Siggy Brentrup

Package: wnpp
Version: unavailable; reported 2002-12-06
Severity: wishlist

* Package name: styx, styx-{dev,doc}, lib[dx]styx
  Version : 1.5.1
  Upstream Author : Heike Manns <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Lars Doelle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
* URL : http://www.speculate.de/styx
* License : GPL, (LGPL for libdstyx)
  Description : combined parser/scanner generator

 The package facilitates application development including
 user-defined context free languages.
 .
 It's development model deviates from the traditional lex/yacc pair
 (flex/bison in Debian) by automating tedious tasks which are
 commonly implemented in yacc's actions.
 .
 Styx automatically derives a depth grammar, generates reentrant
 parsers that support persistent derivation trees, preserve full
 source information, support unicode and are thread safe.

-- System Information:
Debian Release: testing/unstable
Architecture: i386
Kernel: Linux keuner 2.4.19-keuner #1 Thu Sep 19 12:28:09 CEST 2002 i686
Locale: LANG=C, LC_CTYPE=C


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Re: [console-data] upgrade problem in preconfigure

2002-12-06 Thread Alastair McKinstry

No, its a sign that the console-data maintainer (me) doesn't know what
is the best keymap for each of the given (human) languages/keymaps, and
needs help!
If you have one of these systems, your opinion would be invaluable.
{ I want to make this go away before Sarge is released).

Regards,
Alastair


On Fri, 2002-12-06 at 11:52, Arnaud Vandyck wrote:
> I just point my apt source list to test unstable and console-data does
> not like it!... Here is the message and dselect just stop (I have to
> C-c to get out):
> 
> Preconfiguring packages ...
> No default for console-data/keymap/qwerty/brazilian/standard/keymap - picking 
> one
> No default for console-data/keymap/qwerty/macedonian/standard/keymap - 
> picking one
> No default for console-data/keymap/qwerty/latvian/standard/keymap - picking 
> one
> No default for console-data/keymap/qwerty/ukrainian/standard/keymap - picking 
> one
> No default for console-data/keymap/qwerty/lithuanian/standard/keymap - 
> picking one
> No default for console-data/keymap/qwerty/russian/standard/keymap - picking 
> one
> No default for console-data/keymap/qwerty/canadian/variant - picking one
> No default for console-data/keymap/qwerty/turkish/standard/keymap - picking 
> one
> No default for console-data/keymap/fggiod/layout - picking one
> No default for console-data/keymap/fggiod/turkish/standard/keymap - picking 
> one
> No default for console-data/keymap/dvorak/layout - picking one
> No default for console-data/keymap/qwertz/german/apple_usb/keymap - picking 
> one
> No default for console-data/keymap/qwertz/swiss/variant - picking one
> 
> If you have information about what choice should be the default for
> the above questions which gave warnings, please mail it to
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]  Thanks for your help.
> 
> Can some one tell me how to solve the problem? Is it a miss
> configuration from me?
> 
> Thank you for your help,
> 
> -- Arnaud Vandyck 
> 
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Re: bill gates Linux

2002-12-06 Thread Ben Armstrong

On Fri, Dec 06, 2002 at 07:19:33PM +0100, Santiago Vila wrote:
> BTW: Linux has a special filesystem called "umsdos" which would allow
> you to store Windows and Linux files on the same "C:" partition, but
> this is not the optimal way to run Linux, so Debian does not support
> umsdos-based installs.

"Not the optimal way" is quite the understatement.  More bluntly put "umsdos
is a dog".  Not only is it dog slow, but it is deficient in some ways that
make it unwise to run anything but a tailored-for-umsdos version of Linux
(lack of support for hard links springs to mind).

These days, people who would have otherwise used umsdos to give Linux a
"test drive" before going the whole way and repartitioning their drive will
use an entirely CD-based demo distro like Knoppix.

Ben
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Re: bill gates Linux

2002-12-06 Thread Santiago Vila

On Fri, 6 Dec 2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

>  Consider two computers one with
>  Windows and the other with Linux.
>  They only differ in that the machine
>  code written on the respective hard
>  drives is diferent.I am certain that
>  a simple file copying "setup.exe"
>  program can move all code from a
>  CD-rom  onto ones hard drive.

That would be possible only if Linux and Windows shared the C: unit
to store their files.

If not, your setup.exe would have to repartition the hard disk *while*
Windows is still using it. Such thing would be extremely dangerous.
It's not just a matter of copying files.

BTW: Linux has a special filesystem called "umsdos" which would allow
you to store Windows and Linux files on the same "C:" partition, but
this is not the optimal way to run Linux, so Debian does not support
umsdos-based installs.

《校园信息一线通》演示

2002-12-06 Thread 12345678

 《校园信息一线通》-素质教育的最佳选择

目前，家长和学校、老师之间的沟通方式大都比较繁琐，如组织召开家长会、填写家长联系单等。随着家
庭教育投资支出比例的加大以及全社会对教育重视程度的提高，家长需要经常性的及时了解孩子在学校的
基本情况，以期如何配合老师的工作。老师也希望对孩子的教育能够延伸到家庭，以期得到家长的配合；
学校需要与社会公众进行及时沟通，增强社会对学校的关注；而寄宿式学校的快速发展，更加强了家长随
时了解学生信息的必要性。
NTERNET作为信息时代的主流信息传播媒体，为公众带来了开放式的沟通，在网络上，人们可以随时发布和
获取各种信息，因此，理论上，INTERNET可以满足信息在学校和公众之间双向沟通的需要。然而，由于学
校办学费用有限，很难长期支撑由此每月增加的巨额支出。从学生家庭上网的可能性而言，至少在今后较
长一段时期内，绝大多数学生家庭难以有条件添置计算机上网了解学校的信息，也很难要求每个家长都会
使用计算机。那么，有没有更为简单实用方便的信息沟通方式？
济南讯飞语音科技发展有限公司基于世界领先的汉语语音合成技术并与最为普及的公众电话信息网有机地
结合在一起，独家开发并隆重推出的《校园信息一线通》，又称《老师家长一线通》系统，使任何一位学
生家长或对学校信息关注的人士，可以通过身边的任何一部电话随时了解学校和学生的最新信息，学校也
可以通过本系统随时与家长保持联系，了解家长和公众的需求。开辟了学校信息社会化交流的崭新渠道，
在学校、家长与社会之间架起了即时沟通的桥梁。

该软件集下列十大功能为一体：
（一）学校信息、班级信息电话自动查询功能
（二）学生成绩、学生在校表现信息查询功能
（三）校长、班主任、家长、学生可设私人电话信箱进行相互留言功能 
（四）考试、升学信息咨询功能
（五）教育政策法规查询功能
（六）学校通知、收费标准公示功能
（七）各类考分查询功能 
（八）各类审批程序查询功能
（九）自动受理投诉建议功能
（十）毕业证书查询等其它功能
有利于社会各界通过电话自动的全面了解学校。本系统只需一台计算机、一套软件和一套数据库和一块电话
语音卡即可轻松实现。投资少，费用低，速度快，效率高，应用范围广，正逐步成为学校信息交流的主流。

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Re: location of UnicodeData.txt

2002-12-06 Thread Jim Penny

On Fri, Dec 06, 2002 at 08:12:57AM -0600, John Hasler wrote:
> Thomas Bushnell writes:
> > The copyright is on the *file* and not on "the data",...
> 
> Did I say it was?
> 
> > ...and certainly not on the *information* which the file contains.
> 
> An instantiation of that information could be considered a derivative of
> the copyrighted work.  My second paragraph explains one reason why it might
> not be.

A couple of URLs of interest:

http://lxr.mozilla.org/seamonkey/source/intl/unicharutil/tools/

http://cvs.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/python/python/dist/src/Tools/unicode/makeunicodedata.py?rev=1.17&content-type=text/vnd.viewcvs-markup

Both show that these projects (at least) are mechanically deriving 
their internal unicode tables from UnicodeData.txt.

Jim Penny

Re: And why DDTP does not use webwml? Re: Why DDTP? shouldn't it be DPTP? (was Re: spanish translations in DDTP now)

2002-12-06 Thread Josip Rodin

On Thu, Dec 05, 2002 at 01:23:33PM +0100, Jose Carlos Garcia Sogo wrote:
>   One question I have is why DDTP does not use webwml. This is now part
>   of the Debian project (as it's under ddtp.debian.org), but it's
>   completely incoherent with Debian www style, and it also is the part
>   of the Debian web with less translations!

webwml works for the web pages, sure, but it's not the magical solution to
all of the problems. The Debian WWW style works, sure, but it's also not the
magical style every other of our web pages needs to religiously follow.

(What's this, the day when Spanish developers do spurious demands against
grisu? :) Whereas they could just go and beat him up for abusing
debian-devel-announce...)

-- 
 2. That which causes joy or happiness.

Re: description writing guide

2002-12-06 Thread Joey Hess

Steve Greenland wrote:
> While technically valid, I don't like his much, for a couple of
> reasons:
> 
> 1. I suspect it will be very hard to get this consistently used
> in Debian descriptions, as there are a lot of people who do not
> naturally use the 'period-two-spaces' convention. (I suspect it is
> entirely determined by how much typing one did on real typewriters,
> pre-wordprocessor.)
> 
> 2. IMO, the naive rendering of "." looks fairly dreadful in
> variable-width fonts -- they'd need to strip out the extra space and do
> it correctly. (Actually, IMO, it looks fairly dreadful in fixed width
> fonts, too).

Don't forget:

3. It can easily fails if a sentence happens to end at the end of a line.
   Like the previous sentence, which only a computer programmer would
   think to add two spaces at the end of. :-)

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Re: [Internal Projects] Package browser (Was: Debian Color Themes, ...)

2002-12-06 Thread Mathieu Roy


>> On Tue, 29 Oct 2002, Daniel Burrows wrote:
>> 
>> > > - http://people.debian.org/~erich/packagebrowser/
>> > > which is an export of the aptitude database to HTML; the scripts used
>> > > for generating these files are in my home directory on ppl.d.o
>> >
>> >   Hey, that's pretty cool!
>> In dead.  I have the strong feeling that we should enhance this for
>> the use of Debian internal projects.
>> 
>> By the way, there seems to be another program with a quite similiar
>> goal: pdbv.
>> I guess authors should get in touch to join forces ...
>> 

>We have also dpkg-www.
>
>It can be used to browse locally installed and available packages. It uses
>apt and dpkg, has more links than pdbv, doesn't need to build a cache and
>doesn't require an internet access, unless you follow the BTS or mainainer
>links. Try with:
>
># apt-get install dpkg-www grep-dctrl
>
>$ dpkg-www dpkg-\*
>$ dpkg-www section=net
>$ dpkg-www maintainer="Joey Hess"
>$ dpkg-www =iptables

pdbv does not require internet access, does not even require a web
server.
It requires only shell utilities and a web browser (as links).
But right, it requires cache.

Anyway, I'm opened to any suggestions that can improved pdbv.


To get an overview 
http://savannah.nongnu.org/download/pdbv/demo_html/demo_1.2.4_french/


Note: please, add me to Cc:, I'm not registered on the list.


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Re: And why DDTP does not use webwml? Re: Why DDTP? shouldn't it be DPTP? (was Re: spanish translations in DDTP now)

2002-12-06 Thread Jose Carlos Garcia Sogo

On Fri, Dec 06, 2002 at 01:31:40PM +0100, Lorenzo Cappelletti wrote:
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: Michael Bramer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 19:34:06 +0100
> To: debian-devel@lists.debian.org, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: And why DDTP does not use webwml? Re: Why DDTP? shouldn't it be 
> DPTP? (was Re: spanish translations in DDTP now)
> 
> 
> > On Thu, Dec 05, 2002 at 01:23:33PM +0100, Jose Carlos Garcia Sogo wrote:
> > > 
> > >   One question I have is why DDTP does not use webwml. This is now part
> > >   of the Debian project (as it's under ddtp.debian.org), but it's
> > >   completely incoherent with Debian www style, and it also is the part
> > >   of the Debian web with less translations!
> 
> Well, as DDTP's site developer, I must admin I didn't take into
> consideration webwml when I started designing the site, just because I
> think DDTP's site has its own requirements.  I liked WML concept, though.
> 
> I don't think that being part of a Debian sub-project implies using
> webwml (see some projects at http://www.debian.org/devel/ like
> Debian-Edu).  Nevertheless, I agree that what Debain users perceive is
> not something homogeneous.

  Anyway, Debian-Edu does use wiki, under wiki.debian.net. And wiki, as
  it's a different application has his own behaviour. Anyway, I'd like
  them to use also webwml at least for the front page and perhaps some
  of the more important things.
 
> Is there any point regarding translator work, anyway?
 
  Yes, using webwml your pages are automatically included in the "web
  pages to be translated" (http://www.debian.org/devel/website/stats/),
  and people will se pages in his own language (if available)


 Cheers 

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A hard(er) way to reinstall your system

2002-12-06 Thread Junichi Uekawa


Hi,

I trashed my harddrive the other day, and had to reinstall my 
system from scratch. I took a harder way, an I'd like to share my
story:


I partitioned the HDD into 4 for

hda1 /boot
hda2 swap
hda3 /
hda4 /home

and used hda1 as a staging ground.

I used potato CD-ROM to start up my shell, and partition, and setup network.
and to mount /dev/hda1 to /instmnt.
I then used the command-line:
I extracted base.tgz into /instmnt with zcat and tar.
chroot into /instmnt, to get bash running,
mount /proc
munge /etc/network/interfaces, set up /etc/apt/sources.list
apt-get update and dist-upgrade to "sid" (for some reason)
install debootstrap and gcc.

mount /dev/hda3 to /mnt inside that chroot, and 
debootstrap woody /mnt http://your-mirror/debian

chroot /mnt /bin/bash

set up /etc/network/interfaces
mount /proc
mount /dev/hda4 /home 
adduser a normal user
tzconfig
apt-get install whatever that is required to compile the kernel
apt-get install grub lilo-
apt-get install kernel-image-2.4.19-bf2.4 (or something that I know
 will kind of work if I fail now)

run grub shell and install grub in MBR

compile kernel with make-kpkg, and dpkg -i the resulting deb.
and reboot.





It probably needs more than that, but after 3 hours or so of working,
you should probably have a working sid system. :P
and off you file bugs on packages that are missing 
dependencies, and which segfault with some 
packages missing, which you are bound to find when you 
start off with a minimal installation.


regards,
junichi

《校园信息一线通》演示

2002-12-06 Thread 12345678

 《校园信息一线通》-素质教育的最佳选择

目前，家长和学校、老师之间的沟通方式大都比较繁琐，如组织召开家长会、填写家长联系单等。随着家
庭教育投资支出比例的加大以及全社会对教育重视程度的提高，家长需要经常性的及时了解孩子在学校的
基本情况，以期如何配合老师的工作。老师也希望对孩子的教育能够延伸到家庭，以期得到家长的配合；
学校需要与社会公众进行及时沟通，增强社会对学校的关注；而寄宿式学校的快速发展，更加强了家长随
时了解学生信息的必要性。
NTERNET作为信息时代的主流信息传播媒体，为公众带来了开放式的沟通，在网络上，人们可以随时发布和
获取各种信息，因此，理论上，INTERNET可以满足信息在学校和公众之间双向沟通的需要。然而，由于学
校办学费用有限，很难长期支撑由此每月增加的巨额支出。从学生家庭上网的可能性而言，至少在今后较
长一段时期内，绝大多数学生家庭难以有条件添置计算机上网了解学校的信息，也很难要求每个家长都会
使用计算机。那么，有没有更为简单实用方便的信息沟通方式？
济南讯飞语音科技发展有限公司基于世界领先的汉语语音合成技术并与最为普及的公众电话信息网有机地
结合在一起，独家开发并隆重推出的《校园信息一线通》，又称《老师家长一线通》系统，使任何一位学
生家长或对学校信息关注的人士，可以通过身边的任何一部电话随时了解学校和学生的最新信息，学校也
可以通过本系统随时与家长保持联系，了解家长和公众的需求。开辟了学校信息社会化交流的崭新渠道，
在学校、家长与社会之间架起了即时沟通的桥梁。

该软件集下列十大功能为一体：
（一）学校信息、班级信息电话自动查询功能
（二）学生成绩、学生在校表现信息查询功能
（三）校长、班主任、家长、学生可设私人电话信箱进行相互留言功能 
（四）考试、升学信息咨询功能
（五）教育政策法规查询功能
（六）学校通知、收费标准公示功能
（七）各类考分查询功能 
（八）各类审批程序查询功能
（九）自动受理投诉建议功能
（十）毕业证书查询等其它功能
有利于社会各界通过电话自动的全面了解学校。本系统只需一台计算机、一套软件和一套数据库和一块电话
语音卡即可轻松实现。投资少，费用低，速度快，效率高，应用范围广，正逐步成为学校信息交流的主流。

24小时演示电话（0531-6552599转801），

欢迎垂询！
  
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Re: bill gates Linux

2002-12-06 Thread Craig Sanders

On Fri, Dec 06, 2002 at 03:07:17AM -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> [...]
> I am trying to avoid the problem which I have of needing a degree in
> Rocket Science to even see anything on my computer which originates
> from the blessed Linus "kernal". Who in this world can actually read
> hexadecimal code anyway.

either 1) you're a troll or 2) you resent having to learn or understand
anything about your computer or 3) both.  

in any case, my advice to you is thæ same: linux is probably not for
you, you would be happier staying with windows.

craig

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Re: Problem with tetex-bin potato security build

2002-12-06 Thread Atsuhito Kohda

From: Martin Schulze <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Problem with tetex-bin potato security build
Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 10:31:23 +0100

> > > Source files are here:
> > > 
> > > http://master.debian.org/~joey/NMU/tetex-bin_1.0.6-7.2.diff.gz
> > > http://master.debian.org/~joey/NMU/tetex-bin_1.0.6-7.2.dsc
> > > http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/potato/main/source/tex/tetex-bin_1.0.6.orig.tar.gz
> > 
> I doubt because on potato/alpha we have gcc 2.95.*, but I'm happy
> for any straw so I'll give it a try.  Ah, no, doesn't help.

(Ah, I mean not the patch of #94699 but config.sub, sorry
if my mail was not clear enough...)

I checked your source and found that config.sub in config
sub-directory was modified for alpha but config.sub in texk 
sub-directory wasn't modified yet.

Try to copy config/config.sub to texk/config.sub 
I hope this will help you

Best regards,   2002/12/7

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Re: bill gates Linux

2002-12-06 Thread Steve Langasek

On Fri, Dec 06, 2002 at 12:06:34PM +, Colin Watson wrote:

>>  The Linux "kernal" can't be so foreign a language that it can be
>>  copied ??? All code that the computer uses must come from a bios chip
>>  or the hard drive not from outer space. I am trying to avoid the
>>  problem which I have of needing a degree in Rocket Science to even
>>  see anything on my computer which originates from the blessed Linus
>>  "kernal". Who in this world can actually read hexadecimal code
>>  anyway.

> Who tries? The Linux kernel isn't directly written in hexadecimal, you
> know; people have better things to do than write machine code directly.

So it's written in qbasic?  Because if it's not done in machine code, it
must be done in qbasic!

-- 
Steve Langasek
postmodern programmer


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Re: Bug#171693: ITP: wondershaper -- a script to set up QoS, mainly for home users

2002-12-06 Thread Jan Niehusmann

I'd say a package wich only works with a recent kernel version is not a
problem. Add a note to the description, and let the program detect
availability of the necessary features at runtime, with a meaningfull
error message if the feature is missing.

By the way, the iproute package just got updated:

iproute (20010824-9) unstable; urgency=medium

  * Added patch for HTB v3.6 to be able to work with kernel 2.4.20
(from http://luxik.cdi.cz/~devik/qos/htb/v3/htb3.6-020525.tgz)
(closes: Bug#147550, Bug#167149, Bug#167597, Bug#171277)

 -- Juan Cespedes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  Thu, 05 Dec 2002 13:44:10 +0100

Jan

Re: location of UnicodeData.txt

2002-12-06 Thread John Hasler

Thomas Bushnell writes:
> The copyright is on the *file* and not on "the data",...

Did I say it was?

> ...and certainly not on the *information* which the file contains.

An instantiation of that information could be considered a derivative of
the copyrighted work.  My second paragraph explains one reason why it might
not be.
-- 
John Hasler
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (John Hasler)
Dancing Horse Hill
Elmwood, WI

Re: And why DDTP does not use webwml? Re: Why DDTP? shouldn't it be DPTP? (was Re: spanish translations in DDTP now)

2002-12-06 Thread Lorenzo Cappelletti

- Original Message -
From: Michael Bramer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 19:34:06 +0100
To: debian-devel@lists.debian.org, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: And why DDTP does not use webwml? Re: Why DDTP? shouldn't it be 
DPTP? (was Re: spanish translations in DDTP now)

> On Thu, Dec 05, 2002 at 01:23:33PM +0100, Jose Carlos Garcia Sogo wrote:
> > 
> >   One question I have is why DDTP does not use webwml. This is now part
> >   of the Debian project (as it's under ddtp.debian.org), but it's
> >   completely incoherent with Debian www style, and it also is the part
> >   of the Debian web with less translations!

Well, as DDTP's site developer, I must admin I didn't take into
consideration webwml when I started designing the site, just because I
think DDTP's site has its own requirements.  I liked WML concept, though.

I don't think that being part of a Debian sub-project implies using
webwml (see some projects at http://www.debian.org/devel/ like
Debian-Edu).  Nevertheless, I agree that what Debain users perceive is
not something homogeneous.

Is there any point regarding translator work, anyway?

PS: please, include me in you reply because I'm not subscribed to
debian-devel@lists.debian.org

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Re: bill gates Linux

2002-12-06 Thread Colin Watson

On Fri, Dec 06, 2002 at 03:07:17AM -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>  The response I got to a simple request for an DOS or Windows based
>  "SETUP.EXE" program which loads Linux onto my hard drive, would lead
>  me to thick I was asking for the combination to Fort Knox.

No, it's because you've misunderstood the nature of the problem. You
have to reboot anyway to switch operating systems; there's vanishingly
little point in us making the installation system run in Windows, where
we can't easily reuse all the work we've done on producing a free
operating system. We have enough to do building a standalone installer
without trying to write code for a non-free operating system, one with
whose innards the majority of our developers aren't familiar - and
installation systems involve some fairly tricky code.

It's simply not a useful thing to do. Just boot into the normal
installer (or, if you find it too painful, use something like the
Progeny installer where more work has been done on making it
newbie-friendly).

>  The Linux "kernal" can't be so foreign a language that it can be
>  copied ??? All code that the computer uses must come from a bios chip
>  or the hard drive not from outer space. I am trying to avoid the
>  problem which I have of needing a degree in Rocket Science to even
>  see anything on my computer which originates from the blessed Linus
>  "kernal". Who in this world can actually read hexadecimal code
>  anyway.

Who tries? The Linux kernel isn't directly written in hexadecimal, you
know; people have better things to do than write machine code directly.

-- 
Colin Watson  [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: bill gates Linux

2002-12-06 Thread Till Gerken

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>  The response I got to a simple
>  request for an DOS or Windows
>  based "SETUP.EXE" program which
>  loads Linux onto my hard drive,
>  would lead me to thick I was asking
>  for the combination to Fort Knox.

Try SuSE, I think they have loadlin on their installer CD which will allow the 
start of the installation process from Windows. At least they used to have 
that at some point. :)

The installation will require a bit of interaction though, just as the 
installation of Windows would.

Till
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[console-data] upgrade problem in preconfigure

2002-12-06 Thread Arnaud Vandyck

I just point my apt source list to test unstable and console-data does
not like it!... Here is the message and dselect just stop (I have to
C-c to get out):

Preconfiguring packages ...
No default for console-data/keymap/qwerty/brazilian/standard/keymap - picking 
one
No default for console-data/keymap/qwerty/macedonian/standard/keymap - picking 
one
No default for console-data/keymap/qwerty/latvian/standard/keymap - picking one
No default for console-data/keymap/qwerty/ukrainian/standard/keymap - picking 
one
No default for console-data/keymap/qwerty/lithuanian/standard/keymap - picking 
one
No default for console-data/keymap/qwerty/russian/standard/keymap - picking one
No default for console-data/keymap/qwerty/canadian/variant - picking one
No default for console-data/keymap/qwerty/turkish/standard/keymap - picking one
No default for console-data/keymap/fggiod/layout - picking one
No default for console-data/keymap/fggiod/turkish/standard/keymap - picking one
No default for console-data/keymap/dvorak/layout - picking one
No default for console-data/keymap/qwertz/german/apple_usb/keymap - picking one
No default for console-data/keymap/qwertz/swiss/variant - picking one

If you have information about what choice should be the default for
the above questions which gave warnings, please mail it to
[EMAIL PROTECTED]  Thanks for your help.

Can some one tell me how to solve the problem? Is it a miss
configuration from me?

Thank you for your help,

-- Arnaud Vandyck

Re: bill gates Linux

2002-12-06 Thread tomas pospisek

On Fri, 6 Dec 2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

>  The response I got to a simple
>  request for an DOS or Windows
>  based "SETUP.EXE" program which
>  loads Linux onto my hard drive,

What you want is not a technical problem. So now, that you know it's
feasible you have at least the following alternatives:

1) You go and implement it -> "Go spiratec, go!!" We're all happy to see
   you do it.
2) You wait untill it happens, maybe by trolling around here and there.
3) You let someone else do it for free or for pay. We're a small company
   and would happily accept such a job, like there are many others I'm
   sure here that would be willing to do it.

Btw. here is a SETUP.BAT that does what you need:

rem SETUP.BAT
rem Installation program for Linux
rem
echo Linux has been installed. Please insert the Debian Install CD into
echo your CD drive now and reboot to complete the Linux installation.

I'm serious. That's the cycle that many "SETUP.EXE"s will provide you
with. I certain the installation could be refined a bit to ask you
"Do you want to reboot now?" and reboot automatically.
*t

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ma  will kill for oil
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p

Re: bill gates Linux

2002-12-06 Thread Russell Coker

On Fri, 6 Dec 2002 12:07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>  The response I got to a simple
>  request for an DOS or Windows
>  based "SETUP.EXE" program which
>  loads Linux onto my hard drive,
>  would lead me to thick I was asking
>  for the combination to Fort Knox.

The combination to Fort Knox is 78 83 65.

>  Consider two computers one with
>  Windows and the other with Linux.
>  They only differ in that the machine
>  code written on the respective hard
>  drives is diferent.I am certain that
>  a simple file copying "setup.exe"
>  program can move all code from a
>  CD-rom  onto ones hard drive.
>  And the next time the machine is
>  started an option page can allow
>  the user to select either Windows
>  or Linux.

We already have programs to do this.  Currently Debian focuses more on the 
needs of advanced users such as ISP administrators, but there are other 
distributions based on Debian that are easier for newbies to install.

If you have any ideas for ways to improve our installation process I invite 
you to write some sample programs and send the code in.

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Re: description writing guide

2002-12-06 Thread Javier Fernández-Sanguino Peña

On Thu, Dec 05, 2002 at 11:12:17PM -0500, Colin Walters wrote:
> On Thu, 2002-12-05 at 14:59, Javier Fernández-Sanguino Peña wrote:
> 
> > Not only "users", software might use them too. We currently don't have 
> > a good search interface in our package interface UIs (good search != search 
> > by
> > words). I tried to make (quite a long time ago and it's pretty much an 
> > experiment)
> > a search UI based on an artificial intelligence approach (that is, TFIDF 
> > document
> > organisation). 
> 
> Interesting!  It would be cool if aptitude included something like this.
> 
I'm sorry I can't offer new code (including aptitute integration),
I have gone (Debian-wise) _way_ beyond what I handle on my own. So, if
somebody is interested on this approach I could offer advice/help. Any
takers?

Javi


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Re: description writing guide

2002-12-06 Thread Javier Fernández-Sanguino Peña

On Thu, Dec 05, 2002 at 03:23:08PM -0500, David B Harris wrote:
> On Thu, 5 Dec 2002 20:59:09 +0100
> Javier Fernández-Sanguino Peña <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > a good search interface in our package interface UIs (good search !=
> > search by words).
> 
> ... as opposed to searching based on the contents of people's minds? :)

Probably :)
I should have said keywords instead of words. That is, it's not the same
to search for

"game multiplayer" (keywords)

than

"a game that let's me play with other people" (natural language)

:-)

Javi


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Bug#171968: ITP: eprints -- an online information archiving system

2002-12-06 Thread Frederic Schutz

Package: wnpp
Version: N/A; reported 2002-12-06
Severity: wishlist

* Package name: eprints
  Version : 2.2.1
  Upstream Author : Christopher Gutteridge <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
* URL : http://software.eprints.org/
* License : GPL (v2 or later)
  Description : an online information archiving system

 GNU EPrints is an online archiving system which can store documents in
 any format as well as metadata related to the stored documents.
 .
 Documents are submitted through a Web-based interface, either as files,
 as a compressed bundled file or automatically mirrored from another site
 by specifying a URL. Users can view and search the archive through a
 configurable, extendable subject hierarchy .

Some more technical details: it's a set of Perl scripts designed to run 
with Apache and mod_perl using a MySQL database.

As I'm not a Debian developer, any developer interested in sponsoring this 
package is welcome (note however than I do not expect to have this package 
ready before Jan-Feb).

Frédéric

bill gates Linux

2002-12-06 Thread spiratec


 The response I got to a simple
 request for an DOS or Windows
 based "SETUP.EXE" program which
 loads Linux onto my hard drive,
 would lead me to thick I was asking
 for the combination to Fort Knox.
 Consider two computers one with
 Windows and the other with Linux.
 They only differ in that the machine
 code written on the respective hard
 drives is diferent.I am certain that
 a simple file copying "setup.exe" 
 program can move all code from a 
 CD-rom  onto ones hard drive.
 And the next time the machine is 
 started an option page can allow
 the user to select either Windows
 or Linux.
 The Linux "kernal" can't be so 
 foreign a language that it can be
 copied ??? All code that the computer
 uses must come from a bios chip
 or the hard drive not from outer space.
 I am trying to avoid the problem which
 I have of needing a degree in Rocket
 Science to even see anything on my
 computer which originates from the
 blessed Linus "kernal". Who in this
 world can actually read hexadecimal
 code anyway.

Re: kernel-image-2.4.19-i386-udeb-2.4.19

2002-12-06 Thread Bastian Blank

On Thu, Dec 05, 2002 at 09:22:04PM +1100, Brian May wrote:
> My preferred option is 3. However, by itself it is still not sufficient
> as it kernel-image-2.4.19-386 fails to install when making the initrd
> image (which ironically isn't even required). I ended up hacking
> a simple /etc/fstab file to work around this.

no, 1 or 2 are the correct solution, pbuilder don't need to know
something about the packages to build.

bastian

-- 
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Re: description writing guide

2002-12-06 Thread Andreas Metzler

Steve Greenland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 05-Dec-02, 16:49 (CST), "Thomas Bushnell, BSG" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
>> It is not possible for an automated renderer to figure out where
>> sentence boundaries are without some kind of help, and a mere period
>> is not sufficient help.  So, a good convention to establish might be
>> that the string ".  " indicates the end of a sentence, and ". " does
>> not. 

> While technically valid, I don't like his much, for a couple of
> reasons:

> 1. I suspect it will be very hard to get this consistently used
> in Debian descriptions, as there are a lot of people who do not
> naturally use the 'period-two-spaces' convention. (I suspect it is
> entirely determined by how much typing one did on real typewriters,
> pre-wordprocessor.)
[...]

Because nobody else has noted it yet I'll add it:

It is also depending on whether the peoople are English/American/etc.
or not.  For example it is not usual in French and German texts to
have bigger whitespace at sentence boundaries.  See "\frenchspacing"
in TeX.
cu andreas

Re: Problem with tetex-bin potato security build

2002-12-06 Thread Martin Schulze

Atsuhito Kohda wrote:
> From: Martin Schulze <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Problem with tetex-bin potato security build
> Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 09:42:15 +0100
> 
> > I'm lost with a problem concerning the build of tetex-bin on potato/alpha.
> > This is a request for help.  Could someone take a look at this problem
> > and perhaps explain it to me with a fix?
> 
> > Source files are here:
> > 
> > http://master.debian.org/~joey/NMU/tetex-bin_1.0.6-7.2.diff.gz
> > http://master.debian.org/~joey/NMU/tetex-bin_1.0.6-7.2.dsc
> > http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/potato/main/source/tex/tetex-bin_1.0.6.orig.tar.gz
> 
> Sorry but I didn't check the source yet because of lack of
> time, but #94699 does not help you?

I doubt because on potato/alpha we have gcc 2.95.*, but I'm happy
for any straw so I'll give it a try.  Ah, no, doesn't help.

Thanks,

Joey

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ITP: startup-notification --- library for program launch feedback

2002-12-06 Thread Colin Walters

Package: wnpp
Version: N/A; reported 2002-12-05
Severity: wishlist

* Package name: startup-notification
  Version : 0.4
  Upstream Author : Havoc Pennington <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
* URL : http://www.freedesktop.org/software/startup-notification/
* License : LGPL
  Description : library for program launch feedback

 startup-notification is a library which allows programs to give the
 user visual feedback that they are being launched; this is typically
 implemented using a busy cursor.  This library is currently used by
 GNOME programs, but is part of the freedesktop.org suite of
 cross-desktop libraries.

-- System Information
Debian Release: testing/unstable
Architecture: powerpc
Kernel: Linux space-ghost 2.4.19+xfs+ipsec #1 Tue Aug 27 19:31:56 EDT 2002 ppc
Locale: LANG=en_US.UTF-8, LC_CTYPE=

Re: location of UnicodeData.txt

2002-12-06 Thread Thomas Bushnell, BSG

John Hasler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> starner writes:
> > If you run most algorithms specified by Unicode, like normalization,
> > capitalization or the bidirectional algorithm, you do it with the use of
> > the data from UnicodeData.txt, whether you copied it from there or copied
> > it from the Unicode book.
> 
> That's what I thought.  Therefor any program that implements any of those
> algorithms is dependent on the data in UnicodeData.txt.
> 
> However, if that data can only be usefully expressed in precisely that way
> (that is, reverse-engineering those algorithms would regenerate the file)
> then the copyright on the file is probably unenforceable.

The copyright is on the *file* and not on "the data", and certainly
not on the *information* which the file contains.

Re: location of UnicodeData.txt

2002-12-06 Thread Thomas Bushnell, BSG

John Hasler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> Thomas Bushnel writes:
> > A program can use the algorithms specified by Unicode without any copying
> > of Unicode, and can thus be entirely free.
> 
> What is UnicodeData.txt for?  Do programs actually use it in some way, or
> is it just a reference for programmers, like the description of a protocol?

Both, in theory, though I don't know of any current programs that
automatically use UnicodeData.txt.  A more usual pattern is to do what
the Unicode people expected, which is, say, an automated scan across
the file at the time libc is compiled, to generate ctype tables and
the like.

Re: description writing guide

2002-12-06 Thread Thomas Bushnell, BSG

Steve Greenland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> 1. I suspect it will be very hard to get this consistently used
> in Debian descriptions, as there are a lot of people who do not
> naturally use the 'period-two-spaces' convention. (I suspect it is
> entirely determined by how much typing one did on real typewriters,
> pre-wordprocessor.)

So let's just require it for descriptions, shall we?  It's already
what Emacs uses, and it actually works, and is widespread use.  We can
fix the bugs as we find them, just like anything else.

> 2. IMO, the naive rendering of "." looks fairly dreadful in
> variable-width fonts -- they'd need to strip out the extra space and do
> it correctly. (Actually, IMO, it looks fairly dreadful in fixed width
> fonts, too).

Um, so the *renderer* has the job of doing this right, right?

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