Re: [console-data] upgrade problem in preconfigure

[Alastair McKinstry]

Oops. Yes, I did. I don't understand why it should hang; I'll log it as
a bug and investigate. Might it be due to what you installed next? (I
can't reproduce it yet; any further info would help).

Regards,
Alastair


On Fri, 2002-12-06 at 22:16, Steve Greenland wrote:
> (re-arranged a little)
> > On Fri, 2002-12-06 at 11:52, Arnaud Vandyck wrote:
> > > I just point my apt source list to test unstable and console-data does
> > > not like it!... Here is the message and dselect just stop (I have to
> > > C-c to get out):
> > > 
> 
> On 06-Dec-02, 12:57 (CST), Alastair McKinstry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
> > No, its a sign that the console-data maintainer (me) doesn't know what
> > is the best keymap for each of the given (human) languages/keymaps, and
> > needs help!
> 
> Alastair, did you miss the "dselect just stop (I have to C-c to
> get out)" part of Arnaud's message? Because you can't just hang an
> installation run because you're having to guess a default. (I don't
> think you are, actually, because I've seen the barrage of keymap
> messages before, but never had a problem with it hanging.)
> 
> Steve
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bill gates Linux

[spiratec]

 Thank you all for your interesting
 analysis to "setup.exe"
 I am sorry to disappoint Craig Im
 not a Troll.
 I especially like your answer 
 Santiago. thanks .It sheds
 quite a bit of light on the 
 problem.
 and your addition Ben thanks !
 I really do wish for Linux
 to be on the same world scale
 as Windows.!!... No greater!!!
 At the risk of getting you guys
 on my case what if I have a computer
 with two hard drives  c: and d:
 or apples: and oranges:,one with Windows
 on it, and one with Linux on it.
 Or is this such a complex problem
 you have to have two computers sitting side by
 side one with Windows and one with Linux
 running on it and join them together with
 an USB cable and two can do battle with 
 each other.
 Gentlemen if you don't e-mail me I
 promise I will go away.
 If you do e-mail me I will feel free
 to talk O.K.
 Do you have to rewire your house when
 you want to change a light bulb from
 60w to 100w .
 The only requirment would be that
 the new bulb has a standard Edison
 base so it fits and 110 v.
 Do I need a degree in "c++" to
 change that lightbulb?
 Or do they have a "C+++" these
 days?
 By now your thinking I probably
 have a "c-" or a "d".
 No doubt somewhat justified.
 thanks again *
































 
 

Re: Porting Xconfigurator to Debian!

[Jesus Climent]

On Thu, Dec 05, 2002 at 10:00:21AM +0100, Josselin Mouette wrote:
> Le jeu 05/12/2002 à 09:05, sean finney a écrit :
> 
> > right, but isn't that what Pre-Depends is for?
> 
> The configure script is usually launched before the Pre-Depends are even
> installed. There is currently no way to ensure a package is installed at
> configuration time.

Please, check policy and rewrite your statement.

Quote:
"This field is like Depends, except that it also forces dpkg to complete
installation of the packages named before even starting the installation
of the package which declares the pre-dependency, as follows: "

J

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Re: private debian pools

[Fabio Massimo Di Nitto]

On Sat, 7 Dec 2002, Brian May wrote:

> I have a set of scripts for creating private debian package pools,
> available at:
>
> http://www.microcomaustralia.com.au/debian/bin2/>.
>
> These scripts will allow you to create and maintain a private archive
> with multiple distributions, architectures, etc. No database is
> required. See
>
> http://www.microcomaustralia.com.au/debian/> for a sample.

It looks nice. I had to write some scripts to maintain my archive but I
have been hitting several problems. I will give them a shot but I would
like to have some more information on them.

>
> If somebody wants to help tidy up this code and package it for Debian, I
> will be willing to maintain the Debian package for Debian.
>
> This probably will involve going through the README file and fixing the
> things I have labeled "FIXME" (most of these should be simple to
> fix, not sure about the bugs in rmfiles yet though).

Do you have some documentation done somewhere? I wasn't able to find the
README file.

>
> If you want to do any work on it, please let me know simply so I can
> tell you if I have made any changes (as I do more testing if I find any
> bugs I may simply fix them without warning).

Well probably yes. I would love to read the doc (except the code itself)
and testing it.

> A name is required (bin2 doesn't suit IMHO!).

d-arch-builder?? (debian-archive-builder)

> dpkg-scanpackages and dpkg-scansources have been hacked to take a file
> with a list of packages as a parameter.

Did you add the fuctionality or just a simple hack? maybe handling it as
an cmd line option (ex: --file-list ) will make life much easier and
merge with the original one much faster without breaking the normal
functionalities.

Looking forward to try it.

Fabio

Re: Porting Xconfigurator to Debian!

[Andreas Metzler]

Jesus Climent <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Thu, Dec 05, 2002 at 10:00:21AM +0100, Josselin Mouette wrote:
>> Le jeu 05/12/2002 à 09:05, sean finney a écrit :
>>> right, but isn't that what Pre-Depends is for?
 
>> The configure script is usually launched before the Pre-Depends are even
>> installed. There is currently no way to ensure a package is installed at
>> configuration time.

> Please, check policy and rewrite your statement.

> Quote:
> "This field is like Depends, except that it also forces dpkg to complete
> installation of the packages named before even starting the installation
> of the package which declares the pre-dependency, as follows: "

Hello,
The whole point of dpkg-preconfigure is that you get asked all
debconf questions *before* the real installation starts and you can go
and have one or two beers while your computer does the actual
installation instead of sitting in front of your computer and answering
one question every three minutes.

Just for reference (2.3.8.1. Prompting in maintainer scripts):
| Packages which use the Debian Configuration management specification
| may contain an additional `config' script and a `templates' file in
| their control archive.  The `config' script might be run before the
| `preinst' script, and before the package is unpacked or any of its
| dependencies or pre-dependancies are satisfied.  Therefore it must
| work using only the tools present in _essential_ packages.[2]

It would be nice if this was crossreferenced from 6 or if 6 included
"config".
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Re: description writing guide

[Martin Schulze]

Colin Walters wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> I think the package descriptions are a very important product of this
> project.  They're going to be one of the first things people see when
> they use Debian, and their quality directly reflects on the quality of
> Debian.  I've been putting in some random efforts here and there to
> comment on new package descriptions, but I finally sat down and
> committed my thoughts on description writing in a semi-coherent form:
> 
> http://people.debian.org/~walters/descriptions.html
> 
> Please have a look at this if you're creating a new package now, and
> fixing packages you currently maintain would be great too :)

Your example lists:

Package: foo
Description:  
 foo is a  program, designed to help
 you .  .  Written for
 the , it supports  and .
 [..]
 .
 http://www.foo.org.>

It is a bad practice to repeat the package name as the first word in the
long description.  

Also the URL does not belong into the description but should be
placed in the debian/copyright file instead.

To quote Joey Hess:
  The Description field is not intended to be a random dumping-ground
  for any information that cannot fit into some other field.

Regards,

Joey

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Re: bill gates Linux

[Josselin Mouette]

Please, first learn how to use your mail software. Your mails are just a
pity to read.

Le sam 07/12/2002 à 10:46, [EMAIL PROTECTED] a écrit :
>  Thank you all for your interesting
>  analysis to "setup.exe"
>  I am sorry to disappoint Craig Im
>  not a Troll.

Yes, you are a troll. The title of your mails is a troll. You keep
bashing around and around, asking for dumb solutions to nonexistent
problems.

If you are unable to install a GNU/Linux system, that means you can't
read the documentations. If you are unable to boot a Knoppix live CD,
you are lying with a 99 % probability (measured with a professionnal
troll-o-meter).

Either way, you are trolling, and you are trolling at the wrong place.
There are people here, especially the debian-desktop people, who are
trying to make Debian easier to install and use for everybody. But I
believe making it usable to you is either impossible or undesirable.
People like you will keep complaining as long as all GNU/Linux-based
systems are not identical in every regard to Microsoft Windows.

If you want Microsoft Windows, use it. And please go trolling elsewhere.
There are many people on slashdot who will be happy to troll with you.
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Re: Problem with tetex-bin potato security build

[Martin Schulze]

Atsuhito Kohda wrote:
> > > > Source files are here:
> > > > 
> > > > http://master.debian.org/~joey/NMU/tetex-bin_1.0.6-7.2.diff.gz
> > > > http://master.debian.org/~joey/NMU/tetex-bin_1.0.6-7.2.dsc
> > > > http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/potato/main/source/tex/tetex-bin_1.0.6.orig.tar.gz
> > > 
> > I doubt because on potato/alpha we have gcc 2.95.*, but I'm happy
> > for any straw so I'll give it a try.  Ah, no, doesn't help.
> 
> (Ah, I mean not the patch of #94699 but config.sub, sorry
> if my mail was not clear enough...)

Ah, sorry.  I'm too short with time to parse mails properly, sorry
for that.

> I checked your source and found that config.sub in config
> sub-directory was modified for alpha but config.sub in texk 
> sub-directory wasn't modified yet.
> 
> Try to copy config/config.sub to texk/config.sub 
> I hope this will help you

That helped indeed.  Thanks a lot!

Regards,

Joey

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arch name

[Russell Coker]

In my debian/rules I need to know the name of the architecture.  I need the 
name that is used in Debian packages "i386" for Intel or "arm" for ARM.  
uname gives "i686" and "armv4l" respectively (and presumably has similar 
problems on other platforms).

What do I do to get the generic name for the platform?

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Re: arch name

[Hamish Moffatt]

On Sat, Dec 07, 2002 at 01:48:36PM +0100, Russell Coker wrote:
> In my debian/rules I need to know the name of the architecture.  I need the 
> name that is used in Debian packages "i386" for Intel or "arm" for ARM.  
> uname gives "i686" and "armv4l" respectively (and presumably has similar 
> problems on other platforms).
> 
> What do I do to get the generic name for the platform?

dpkg-architecture.

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Re: arch name

[Russell Coker]

On Sat, 7 Dec 2002 13:48, Russell Coker wrote:
> In my debian/rules I need to know the name of the architecture.  I need the
> name that is used in Debian packages "i386" for Intel or "arm" for ARM.
> uname gives "i686" and "armv4l" respectively (and presumably has similar
> problems on other platforms).
>
> What do I do to get the generic name for the platform?

Sorry for the stupid question.  I found /usr/bin/dpkg-architecture...

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Re: arch name

[Noèl Köthe]

On Sat, 2002-12-07 at 13:48, Russell Coker wrote:

> What do I do to get the generic name for the platform?

dpkg-architecture -qDEB_HOST_ARCH

should do this.

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Re: arch name

[Daniel Silverstone]

On Sat, Dec 07, 2002 at 01:48:36PM +0100, Russell Coker wrote:
> In my debian/rules I need to know the name of the architecture.  I need the 
> name that is used in Debian packages "i386" for Intel or "arm" for ARM.  
> uname gives "i686" and "armv4l" respectively (and presumably has similar 
> problems on other platforms).
> What do I do to get the generic name for the platform?

If you run dpkg-architecture, you can see exactly how dpkg will treat
the current system. Use the output of that.

If you are using debuild to build your package then it will
automatically put all of that into the environment for you.

D.

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Re: debconf w/ charset encoding support

[Denis Barbier]

On Wed, Sep 18, 2002 at 09:29:00PM +0900, Tomohiro KUBOTA wrote:
[...]
> -
> LangCode Encoding Alternative for questionables   Notes
> -
[...]
> roISO-8859-16 ISO-8859-2? (4)
[...]
> (4) Only one translation is for adduser package.  However,
> I don't know which encoding (ISO-8859-2 or ISO-8859-16)
> is used

Adduser's translator told me that ISO-8859-2 or ISO-8859-16 are both
valid charsets for this file, but gettext does not accept ISO-8859-16
(don't know if this is a bug or a feature), so po-debconf (>= 0.5.4)
assumes that ro translations are ISO-8859-2 encoded.

Denis

Re: arch name

[Rene Engelhard]

Russell Coker wrote:
> In my debian/rules I need to know the name of the architecture.  I need the 
> name that is used in Debian packages "i386" for Intel or "arm" for ARM.  
> uname gives "i686" and "armv4l" respectively (and presumably has similar 
> problems on other platforms).
> 
> What do I do to get the generic name for the platform?

dpkg-architecture -qDEB_HOST_ARCH or
dpkg-architecture -qDEB_BUILD_ARCH

Raegards,

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Re: arch name

[Wouter Verhelst]

On Sat, Dec 07, 2002 at 01:48:36PM +0100, Russell Coker wrote:
> In my debian/rules I need to know the name of the architecture.  I need the 
> name that is used in Debian packages "i386" for Intel or "arm" for ARM.  
> uname gives "i686" and "armv4l" respectively (and presumably has similar 
> problems on other platforms).
> 
> What do I do to get the generic name for the platform?

dpkg-architecture.

Which is, BTW, being called by dpkg-buildpackage, so those variables
should be there already.

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Re: [console-data] upgrade problem in preconfigure

[Ulrich Eckhardt]

On Friday 06 December 2002 12:52, Arnaud Vandyck wrote:
[...]
> No default for console-data/keymap/qwertz/swiss/variant - picking one
>
> If you have information about what choice should be the default for
> the above questions which gave warnings, please mail it to
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]  Thanks for your help.
>
> Can some one tell me how to solve the problem? Is it a miss
> configuration from me?
>
Just read it like it is: 'no default keymap known for these keyboards'. If 
you happen to have one of them, and would like to suggest one as default, go 
ahead and mail to console-data. If not, you don't have a problem. :)

regards
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named problems

[Rodrigo Moya]

Hi

I've been, for several days now, getting the following messages in the
log:

Security Violations
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
Dec  7 04:02:49 lagun named[1108]: dumping master file:
/var/cache/bind/tmp-LWOG9Y: open: permission denied
Dec  7 04:02:49 lagun named[1108]: transfer of 'historia-antigua.com/IN'
from 80.33.181.69#53: failed while receiving responses: permission
denied
Dec  7 04:40:37 lagun named[1108]: dumping master file:
/var/cache/bind/tmp-g6VZyr: open: permission denied
Dec  7 04:40:37 lagun named[1108]: transfer of 'historia-antigua.com/IN'
from 80.33.181.69#53: failed while receiving responses: permission
denied

This is happening since I did, one day, an upgrade that I don't know if
it included bind9 or not. Anyway, since then, I've upgraded several
times, included once passwd-base, who told me there were some
inconsistencies between debian and system users, so it ran a script to
update /etc/passwd (it seems). But the messages are still showing up on
the longs.

What is wrong? named is being run as root, and the /var/cache/bind
directory belongs to the bind user.

What should I do to fix it?

cheers

Re: named problems

[Russell Coker]

On Sat, 7 Dec 2002 15:20, Rodrigo Moya wrote:
> Dec  7 04:02:49 lagun named[1108]: dumping master file:
> /var/cache/bind/tmp-LWOG9Y: open: permission denied
> Dec  7 04:02:49 lagun named[1108]: transfer of 'historia-antigua.com/IN'
> from 80.33.181.69#53: failed while receiving responses: permission
> denied
>
> What is wrong? named is being run as root, and the /var/cache/bind
> directory belongs to the bind user.

That is what is wrong.  BIND9 drops the capability cap_dac_override and thus 
can't create files in directories owned by a UID other than root unless they 
are mode 777.

The solution is to have the directory owned by the same UID that is used for 
running the named process.

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Re: named problems

[Rodrigo Moya]

On Sat, 2002-12-07 at 15:26, Russell Coker wrote:
> On Sat, 7 Dec 2002 15:20, Rodrigo Moya wrote:
> > Dec  7 04:02:49 lagun named[1108]: dumping master file:
> > /var/cache/bind/tmp-LWOG9Y: open: permission denied
> > Dec  7 04:02:49 lagun named[1108]: transfer of 'historia-antigua.com/IN'
> > from 80.33.181.69#53: failed while receiving responses: permission
> > denied
> >
> > What is wrong? named is being run as root, and the /var/cache/bind
> > directory belongs to the bind user.
> 
> That is what is wrong.  BIND9 drops the capability cap_dac_override and thus 
> can't create files in directories owned by a UID other than root unless they 
> are mode 777.
> 
> The solution is to have the directory owned by the same UID that is used for 
> running the named process.
>
ok, did that. So, what has changed, the user with which named is run?
Because I've had that working for months, and just started having those
messages recently.

Thanks!

guaranteed non-interactive installation and upgrades

[Eduard Bloch]

#include 
* Brian May [Sat, Dec 07 2002, 12:40:12PM]:

> It seems to be set for a "pbuilder login" operation on the stable
> version of pbuilder.
> 
> So do you think debian-image should check the value of DEBIAN_FRONTEND?
> 
> Sounds like a good idea to me...

I think we should document this in the policy and force maintainers,
following this simple rule. When DEBIAN_FRONTEND value is Non-Interactive,
no question should interrupt the installation process. Really none.

Take the kernel postinst, for example. It rely on some keywords in
/etc/kernel-img.conf conf, and does not care about DEBIAN_FRONTEND. This
is a thing that should be changed. Imagine following solution:

 DEBIAN_FRONTEND is set to Non-Interactive. kernel postinst reads that
 value. If the keywords in /etc/kernel-img.conf are not set, does not
 ask the user but makes some autodetection. An additional variable in,
 say, /etc/setup-profile (eg. keyword: default-desktop) does tell the
 kernel-postinst to use the default installation settings (lilo as
 bootloader, no additional boot floppy).

This concept could be expanded to all packages that use direct console
interaction, where 99.9% percent of decissions can be guessed
automaticaly, based on some profile-keyword.

Same for the debconf questions with priority=critical. Show me one such
setting where the answer cannot be determined automaticaly.

Gruss/Regards,
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Re: named problems

[Fumitoshi UKAI]

At 07 Dec 2002 15:56:06 +0100,
Rodrigo Moya wrote:

> On Sat, 2002-12-07 at 15:26, Russell Coker wrote:
> > On Sat, 7 Dec 2002 15:20, Rodrigo Moya wrote:
> > > Dec  7 04:02:49 lagun named[1108]: dumping master file:
> > > /var/cache/bind/tmp-LWOG9Y: open: permission denied
> > > Dec  7 04:02:49 lagun named[1108]: transfer of 'historia-antigua.com/IN'
> > > from 80.33.181.69#53: failed while receiving responses: permission
> > > denied
> > >
> > > What is wrong? named is being run as root, and the /var/cache/bind
> > > directory belongs to the bind user.
> > 
> > That is what is wrong.  BIND9 drops the capability cap_dac_override and 
> > thus 
> > can't create files in directories owned by a UID other than root unless 
> > they 
> > are mode 777.
> > 
> > The solution is to have the directory owned by the same UID that is used 
> > for 
> > running the named process.
> >
> ok, did that. So, what has changed, the user with which named is run?
> Because I've had that working for months, and just started having those
> messages recently.

bind9 uses user `bind'. 
Put OPTIONS="-u bind" in /etc/default/bind9

Regards,
Fumitoshi UKAI

Re: guaranteed non-interactive installation and upgrades

[sean finney]

On Sat, Dec 07, 2002 at 03:56:47PM +0100, Eduard Bloch wrote:
> I think we should document this in the policy and force maintainers,
> following this simple rule. When DEBIAN_FRONTEND value is Non-Interactive,
> no question should interrupt the installation process. Really none.

yeah, i REALLY agree with that.  this summer i was messing around
with various automatic upgrades of software using things like 
dpkg --[gs]et-selections and debconf-communicate, and was very annoyed
whenever i came across a package which completely ignored my requested
non-interactive settings.  for example exim (the default mta) doesn't
use debconf and instead in the preinst (?) script asks you the questions
it wants (the 1-5 questionnaire).  also, the ispell package asks you
which language you use by default.  it wouldn't be so hard for these
packages to ask the same things in debconf, or at least respect your
debconf settings, and considering that they ship with stock debian you'd
think that they'd have already done so...

> Same for the debconf questions with priority=critical. Show me one such
> setting where the answer cannot be determined automaticaly.

even in those cases, which i think could arguably exist (though i can't
think of any off the top of my head) there could be a way to respect
non-interactive and keep things running happy.  these few
packages could pre-depend on mail-transport-agent and in their
postinst script send an email to root saying "this is a critical
package that may break your system if you don't configure it and
i couldn't autofigureout what to do, so please set "this" or "that".


just some thoughts
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Re: bill gates Linux

[Michelle Konzack]

Hello,
Am 03:07 2002-12-06 -0800 hat [EMAIL PROTECTED] geschrieben:
>
>
> The response I got to a simple
> request for an DOS or Windows
> based "SETUP.EXE" program which
> loads Linux onto my hard drive,
I have a vbs Virus taken from 'I-love-You.vbs'
It do nothing, until it is 01:00 CET. Then it will load into
memory, Make a Ramdisk on the fly, download the minimal-stuff
for autodetecting the Internet-Connection, kill Windows and
install Debian...
It was easy to code...
Michelle

Re: Porting Xconfigurator to Debian!

[Michelle Konzack]

Hello Josselin,
Am 10:00 2002-12-05 +0100 hat Josselin Mouette geschrieben:
>> right, but isn't that what Pre-Depends is for?
>
>The configure script is usually launched before the Pre-Depends are even
>installed. There is currently no way to ensure a package is installed at
>configuration time.
This is realy bizzar !!!
How can you configure a package which need pre-depends ? If you try
to configure such Package, the config-script exits with an error.
Possibel the Config-Script needs values from a pre-depencie...
Michelle

Re: Porting Xconfigurator to Debian!

[Colin Watson]

On Fri, Dec 06, 2002 at 08:19:43PM +, Michelle Konzack wrote:
> Am 10:00 2002-12-05 +0100 hat Josselin Mouette geschrieben:
> >The configure script is usually launched before the Pre-Depends are even
> >installed. There is currently no way to ensure a package is installed at
> >configuration time.
> 
> This is realy bizzar !!!

Not really. How do you do preconfiguration otherwise?

> How can you configure a package which need pre-depends ?

You don't. You can only use essential packages in a .config script.

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Re: named problems

[Russell Coker]

On Sat, 7 Dec 2002 15:56, Rodrigo Moya wrote:
> > That is what is wrong.  BIND9 drops the capability cap_dac_override and
> > thus can't create files in directories owned by a UID other than root
> > unless they are mode 777.
> >
> > The solution is to have the directory owned by the same UID that is used
> > for running the named process.
>
> ok, did that. So, what has changed, the user with which named is run?
> Because I've had that working for months, and just started having those
> messages recently.

As far as I was aware BIND9 always dropped capabilities.  But maybe that 
wasn't always so and you had a version which didn't do it.

Also maybe you previously had named running under a UID that had write access 
to the directory without dac_override.

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Bug#172141: ITP: pts -- Tetrinet Server Written in Perl

[Teófilo Ruiz Suárez]

Package: wnpp
Version: unavailable; reported 2002-12-07
Severity: wishlist

* Package name: pts
  Version : 0.20
  Upstream Author : INOUE Kenji <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
* URL : http://ptns.sourceforge.net
* License : GPL
  Description : Tetrinet Server Written in Perl

 Perl TetriNET Server is a Tetrinet compatible server written in Perl.
 It supports channels, encrypted passwords, sudden death, game types
 and a bunch of other configurable parameters of gameplay.
   

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Re: description writing guide

[Joshua Haberman]

* Martin Schulze ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> Your example lists:
> 
> Package: foo
> Description:   GNOME/KDE/WindowMaker/GNU/Linux>
>  foo is a  program, designed to help
>  you .  .  Written for
>  the , it supports  and .
>  [..]
>  .
>  http://www.foo.org.>
> 
> It is a bad practice to repeat the package name as the first word in the
> long description.  
> 
> Also the URL does not belong into the description but should be
> placed in the debian/copyright file instead.

What if someone wants to visit the webpage before they install a package,
to decide whether it's worth downloading or not (especially if their
bandwidth is slow and expensive)?

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Debian GNU/Linux developer

Re: guaranteed non-interactive installation and upgrades

[Colin Walters]

On Sat, 2002-12-07 at 10:51, sean finney wrote:
>  also, the ispell package asks you
> which language you use by default.

Ispell is already fixed.

And we could fix the exim issue by switching to Postfix as the default
MTA...

Re: description writing guide

[Colin Walters]

On Sat, 2002-12-07 at 05:51, Martin Schulze wrote:

> It is a bad practice to repeat the package name as the first word in the
> long description.  

Fair enough.  Fixed.

> Also the URL does not belong into the description but should be
> placed in the debian/copyright file instead.
> 
> To quote Joey Hess:
>   The Description field is not intended to be a random dumping-ground
>   for any information that cannot fit into some other field.

I think this is somewhat controversial.  Having them in the
debian/copyright file doesn't help people who are just browsing the
packages in aptitude or whatever.

So I added whether or not a URL should go in to the controversial
section.

Re: guaranteed non-interactive installation and upgrades

[Bastian Blank]

On Sat, Dec 07, 2002 at 01:44:31PM -0500, Colin Walters wrote:
> And we could fix the exim issue by switching to Postfix as the default
> MTA...

the sollution is not to use other packages, it is fixing the packages.

if the maintainers won't do that, we need a policy paragraph to force
them.

bastian

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Re: description writing guide

[Martin Schulze]

Joshua Haberman wrote:
> > It is a bad practice to repeat the package name as the first word in the
> > long description.  
> > 
> > Also the URL does not belong into the description but should be
> > placed in the debian/copyright file instead.
> 
> What if someone wants to visit the webpage before they install a package,
> to decide whether it's worth downloading or not (especially if their
> bandwidth is slow and expensive)?

He visits http://packages.debian.org/$package and some day it will
display URLs as well.

Regards,

Joey

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Re: account on IA-64 sought.

[Martin Schulze]

martin f krafft wrote:
> the author of gjay is troubled by
> 
> http://buildd.debian.org/build.php?&pkg=gjay&ver=0.2.2-1&arch=ia64&file=log
> 
> and is looking for ways to troubleshoot this. short of letting him
> access a debian developer machine running on IA-64 through my account -
> which would be a violation - is there someone out there willing to let
> him an account for compilation and debugging for a few days until this
> is fixed? the machine should have xlibs et al. installed (though an
> X server is not necessary. just ssh X-forwarding should work), and if
> it's near california/san francisco, that would be even better.

Please see what I wrot in DWN a couple of weeks ago:

http://www.debian.org/News/weekly/2002/44/

   Public Debian Machines for Software Authors. [11]Hewlett-Packard
   recently expanded their [12]Test Drive Program to support Debian
   GNU/Linux as well. This program is intended for users who want to
   sample the 32- and 64-bit servers running a variety of HP and
   third-party operating systems and applications. This looks like an
   excellent resource Debian can point upstream package authors to
   when they need access to a Debian system to resolve porting
   problems.

   12. http://testdrive.hp.com/

Regards,

Joey

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Re: guaranteed non-interactive installation and upgrades

[Tollef Fog Heen]

* Bastian Blank 

| if the maintainers won't do that, we need a policy paragraph to force
| them.

Would a policy-proposal forcing packages to use debconf for user
interaction during installation get support?

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Re: Using kernel-build packages to autobuild modules

[Herbert Xu]

David Z Maze <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> The fundamental problem seems to be that I want to build-depend on
> kernel-build-2.4.20, and then build a module for each of the flavors
> in /usr/src/kernel-build-2.4.20.  But which flavors exactly exist
> varies per platform, and might also vary between builds of the
> kernel.  This means that the contents of debian/control need to be
> different on each platform.  I could put every possible
> architecture/version/flavor triple in debian/control, but this seems
> unmaintainable.  Any hints?

Have a control file template and generate the real one at build time.
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Re: guaranteed non-interactive installation and upgrades

[Bernd Eckenfels]

On Sat, Dec 07, 2002 at 08:23:16PM +0100, Bastian Blank wrote:
> if the maintainers won't do that, we need a policy paragraph to force
> them.

No you need patches to help them.

Greetings
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Re: Problem with kdenetwork build for unstable

[Guillem Jover]

On Thu, Dec 05, 2002 at 09:40:56AM +0100, Martin Schulze wrote:
> I have problems fixing kdenetwork for unstable.  With gcc 3
> get/setenv aren't detected through C but through C++ which doesn't
> work.  That's a bug in automake.  It should be fixed with a patch
> in the following source:
> 
> http://master.debian.org/~joey/NMU/kdenetwork_2.2.2-14.21.diff.gz
> http://master.debian.org/~joey/NMU/kdenetwork_2.2.2-14.21.dsc
> http://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/k/kdenetwork/kdenetwork_2.2.2.orig.tar.gz
> 
> but that doesn't compile.  Ray told me that the first line of configure.in.in
> needs to be AC_INIT(1) but that also doesn't get us far.

Uhh, admin/Makefile.common is checking for '#MIN_CONFIG' in the first two
lines to include there admin/configure.in.min.

regards,
guillem
diff -Naur kdenetwork-2.2.2/admin/configure.in.min 
kdenetwork-2.2.2-patched/admin/configure.in.min
--- kdenetwork-2.2.2/admin/configure.in.min 2001-11-16 06:54:21.0 
+0100
+++ kdenetwork-2.2.2-patched/admin/configure.in.min 2002-12-07 
21:23:33.0 +0100
@@ -22,6 +22,7 @@
 
 dnl Process this file with autoconf to produce a configure script.
 
+AC_PREREQ(2.50)
 AC_INIT(acinclude.m4) dnl a source file from your sub dir
 
 dnl This is so we can use kde-common
diff -Naur kdenetwork-2.2.2/configure.in.in 
kdenetwork-2.2.2-patched/configure.in.in
--- kdenetwork-2.2.2/configure.in.in2002-12-07 20:57:57.0 +0100
+++ kdenetwork-2.2.2-patched/configure.in.in2002-12-07 21:22:40.0 
+0100
@@ -1,10 +1,8 @@
-AC_PREREQ(2.50)
-
 #MIN_CONFIG
 dnl Image readers/writers
 KDE_CHECK_KIMGIO
 
-AC_LANG_CPLUSPLUS
+AC_LANG(C++)
 dnl Checks for header files.
 AC_CHECK_HEADERS(linux/tcp.h linux/if_ppp.h)
 AC_CHECK_HEADERS(net/errno.h net/if_ppp.h)

Re: Problem with kdenetwork build for unstable

[Martin Schulze]

Guillem Jover wrote:
> On Thu, Dec 05, 2002 at 09:40:56AM +0100, Martin Schulze wrote:
> > I have problems fixing kdenetwork for unstable.  With gcc 3
> > get/setenv aren't detected through C but through C++ which doesn't
> > work.  That's a bug in automake.  It should be fixed with a patch
> > in the following source:
> > 
> > http://master.debian.org/~joey/NMU/kdenetwork_2.2.2-14.21.diff.gz
> > http://master.debian.org/~joey/NMU/kdenetwork_2.2.2-14.21.dsc
> > http://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/k/kdenetwork/kdenetwork_2.2.2.orig.tar.gz
> > 
> > but that doesn't compile.  Ray told me that the first line of 
> > configure.in.in
> > needs to be AC_INIT(1) but that also doesn't get us far.
> 
> Uhh, admin/Makefile.common is checking for '#MIN_CONFIG' in the first two
> lines to include there admin/configure.in.min.

I'd love to have it work but now the build complains about:

make[1]: Entering directory `/tmp/joey/kdenetwork-2.2.2'
*** Creating acinclude.m4
make[2]: Entering directory `/tmp/joey/kdenetwork-2.2.2'
make[2]: Leaving directory `/tmp/joey/kdenetwork-2.2.2'
!!! If you get recursion errors from autoconf, it is advisable to set the
environment variable M4 to something including "--nesting-limit=500"
*** Creating list of subdirectories
make[2]: Entering directory `/tmp/joey/kdenetwork-2.2.2'
make[3]: Entering directory `/tmp/joey/kdenetwork-2.2.2'
make[3]: Leaving directory `/tmp/joey/kdenetwork-2.2.2'
make[2]: Leaving directory `/tmp/joey/kdenetwork-2.2.2'
*** Creating configure.in
make[2]: Entering directory `/tmp/joey/kdenetwork-2.2.2'
make[3]: Entering directory `/tmp/joey/kdenetwork-2.2.2'
make[3]: Leaving directory `/tmp/joey/kdenetwork-2.2.2'
make[2]: Leaving directory `/tmp/joey/kdenetwork-2.2.2'
*** Creating aclocal.m4
*** Creating configure
autoconf: Undefined macros:
configure.in:22:AC_LANG_PUSH(C)
configure.in:24:AC_LANG_POP
make[1]: *** [cvs] Error 1
make[1]: Leaving directory `/tmp/joey/kdenetwork-2.2.2'
make: *** [build-stamp] Error 2

Regards,

Joey

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Re: guaranteed non-interactive installation and upgrades

[Guillem Jover]

On Sat, Dec 07, 2002 at 03:56:47PM +0100, Eduard Bloch wrote:
> I think we should document this in the policy and force maintainers,
> following this simple rule. When DEBIAN_FRONTEND value is Non-Interactive,
^^^
> no question should interrupt the installation process. Really none.

This should be "noninteractive", also the frontend is in lower case,
as stated in debconf(7).

regards,
guillem

Re: guaranteed non-interactive installation and upgrades

[sean finney]

On Sat, Dec 07, 2002 at 09:02:56PM +0100, Tollef Fog Heen wrote:
> * Bastian Blank 
> 
> | if the maintainers won't do that, we need a policy paragraph to force
> | them.
> 
> Would a policy-proposal forcing packages to use debconf for user
> interaction during installation get support?

i think it's a little heavy handed to do so, even if it would be
the best way to have uniformity of packages.  what i think would
be perfectly reasonable though would be to require the package
maintainers to at least respect the noninteractive frontend setting
if it exists.


sean


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Re: guaranteed non-interactive installation and upgrades

[sean finney]

On Sat, Dec 07, 2002 at 09:20:11PM +0100, Bernd Eckenfels wrote:
> > if the maintainers won't do that, we need a policy paragraph to force
> > them.
> 
> No you need patches to help them.

well if the maintainer is too busy, i could try and figure this out
and send a patch.  granted i'm not incredibly familiar with debconf,
but it'd be a great time to learn.


sean


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Re: Problem with kdenetwork build for unstable

[Guillem Jover]

On Sat, Dec 07, 2002 at 09:39:36PM +0100, Martin Schulze wrote:
> I'd love to have it work but now the build complains about:
> 
> make[1]: Entering directory `/tmp/joey/kdenetwork-2.2.2'
> *** Creating acinclude.m4
> make[2]: Entering directory `/tmp/joey/kdenetwork-2.2.2'
> make[2]: Leaving directory `/tmp/joey/kdenetwork-2.2.2'
> !!! If you get recursion errors from autoconf, it is advisable to set the
> environment variable M4 to something including "--nesting-limit=500"
> *** Creating list of subdirectories
> make[2]: Entering directory `/tmp/joey/kdenetwork-2.2.2'
> make[3]: Entering directory `/tmp/joey/kdenetwork-2.2.2'
> make[3]: Leaving directory `/tmp/joey/kdenetwork-2.2.2'
> make[2]: Leaving directory `/tmp/joey/kdenetwork-2.2.2'
> *** Creating configure.in
> make[2]: Entering directory `/tmp/joey/kdenetwork-2.2.2'
> make[3]: Entering directory `/tmp/joey/kdenetwork-2.2.2'
> make[3]: Leaving directory `/tmp/joey/kdenetwork-2.2.2'
> make[2]: Leaving directory `/tmp/joey/kdenetwork-2.2.2'
> *** Creating aclocal.m4
> *** Creating configure
> autoconf: Undefined macros:
> configure.in:22:AC_LANG_PUSH(C)
> configure.in:24:AC_LANG_POP
> make[1]: *** [cvs] Error 1
> make[1]: Leaving directory `/tmp/joey/kdenetwork-2.2.2'
> make: *** [build-stamp] Error 2

It works for me. Do you have autoconf 2.5x installed?
This symbols were not available in autoconf 2.13.

regards,
guillem

Re: RSBAC support in Debian

[Russell Coker]

On Wed, 6 Nov 2002 12:29, Christoph Martin wrote:
> In http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-nexttime.html it says that work on
> RSBAC support in Debian is in progress. I have not seen any discussion
> of it on the list. However there is an RFP:
> http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?archive=no&bug=157916
>
> Is anybody working on this?

I have built some kernel packages for RSBAC and put them online on 
http://www.coker.com.au/rsbac/ .

Please check them out, if people think that they are OK then I'll upload them.

I don't want to maintain these packages long-term as I have no plans to use 
RSBAC.  After getting through the configuration phase I decided that I don't 
like it as much as SE Linux, grsec, and OpenWall.


The packages on my site work well enough to produce a kernel package with 
make-kpkg.  I have not tried booting from such a package as I don't have the 
user-space tools (or the time to spare).

Even though I don't plan to use RSBAC myself I think it's a worthy thing to 
have in Debian, so I'm happy to maintain the kernel packages for a while 
(sans proper testing) to help kick-start the Debian/RSBAC project.


Russell Coker

Re: RSBAC support in Debian

[Russell Coker]

On Sat, 7 Dec 2002 22:43, Russell Coker wrote:
> I have built some kernel packages for RSBAC and put them online on
> http://www.coker.com.au/rsbac/ .

Oh, I didn't bother building a 2.2 kernel patch package because I don't use 
2.2 kernels for anything serious.  If you want to test out a 2.2 kernel patch 
package then let me know and I'll make it for you.

I'm not going to bother making the package unless I'm sure someone will test 
it.

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Re: guaranteed non-interactive installation and upgrades

[Wouter Verhelst]

On Sat, Dec 07, 2002 at 04:08:24PM -0500, sean finney wrote:
> On Sat, Dec 07, 2002 at 09:02:56PM +0100, Tollef Fog Heen wrote:
> > * Bastian Blank 
> > 
> > | if the maintainers won't do that, we need a policy paragraph to force
> > | them.
> > 
> > Would a policy-proposal forcing packages to use debconf for user
> > interaction during installation get support?
> 
> i think it's a little heavy handed to do so,

Why?

In the long run, I think it's the way to go. Although it might be a
little too early (I don't think so, but YMMV), it certainly isn't "heavy
handed".

-- 
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"Human knowledge belongs to the world"
  -- From the movie "Antitrust"

Re: description writing guide

[David B Harris]

On Sat, 7 Dec 2002 11:51:03 +0100
Martin Schulze <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> It is a bad practice to repeat the package name as the first word in
> the long description.  

Why is that again?
 
> Also the URL does not belong into the description but should be
> placed in the debian/copyright file instead.

Joey might have said that, but I believe the consensus was "it's a nice
feature".

The description is not a random dumping-ground for information, but what
information we include is entirely arbitrary. If people like having the
URL in the description (and they do), there's no reason why it shouldn't
be included unless you want to make a case for "Packages.gz bloat".


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Re: guaranteed non-interactive installation and upgrades

[Eduard Bloch]

#include 
* Wouter Verhelst [Sat, Dec 07 2002, 11:03:23PM]:

> > > Would a policy-proposal forcing packages to use debconf for user
> > > interaction during installation get support?
> > 
> > i think it's a little heavy handed to do so,
> 
> Why?
> 
> In the long run, I think it's the way to go. Although it might be a
> little too early (I don't think so, but YMMV), it certainly isn't "heavy
> handed".

That is the way to go. These ideas are old, and come to daylight again
and again. Now, we have the best time to start with enforcing this
simple concept. If we do not, but discuss another three months, need
another two to prepate the policy change, another three for Debian Gods
;) to bless it, well other people will come and tell that Sarge is so
far progressed, too late to change things, bla, bla, bla.

Gruss/Regards,
Eduard.
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Support-Stellen (aka #debian.de) zu verwirren.
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Re: description writing guide

[Josip Rodin]

On Sat, Dec 07, 2002 at 11:51:03AM +0100, Martin Schulze wrote:
> It is a bad practice to repeat the package name as the first word in the
> long description.  

Actually it's bad in the short description, not necessarily in the long one.

> Also the URL does not belong into the description but should be
> placed in the debian/copyright file instead.
> 
> To quote Joey Hess:
>   The Description field is not intended to be a random dumping-ground
>   for any information that cannot fit into some other field.

You leave out the part where we agreed on having it _both_ in the copyright
file and in a new field of the control file.

(That whole thread was wrongly summarized in DWN recently.)

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Bug#172158: ITP: rsxs -- Really Slick X Screensavers

[Ari Pollak]

Package: wnpp
Version: unavailable; reported 2002-12-07
Severity: wishlist

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Hash: SHA1

* Package name: rsxs
  Version : 0.6
  Upstream Author : Michael Chapman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
* URL : http://rsxs.sourceforge.net
* License : GPLv2
  Description : Really Slick X Screensavers

Prerelease packages will be found (in about 20 minutes after this is sent) at:
http://people.debian.org/~ari/unstable

Really Slick XScreenSavers (rsxs) is an X11 port of the Really Slick
Screensavers collection by Terry Welsh (http://www.reallyslick.com/). 
Written in C++, this package uses OpenGL (via the GLX library) for graphics 
output. One aim is for this project to compile and run on any GL-capable X11 
system. Additionally, the individual screensavers can run as stand-alone 
applications or can be integrated into XScreenSaver's list of active
screensavers.

Re: guaranteed non-interactive installation and upgrades

[sean finney]

On Sat, Dec 07, 2002 at 11:03:23PM +0100, Wouter Verhelst wrote:
> > i think it's a little heavy handed to do so,
> 
> Why?

well, i should restate i guess.  i agree it's the best thing to do.
but i would also image that it suddenly puts a lot more work on the
plates of many of the dd's, hence my thinking that suddenly adding this
rule and the resulting flood of lintian/bug reports would be a little heavy
handed.

then again, the wishlist bug for exim to use debconf is almost two years
old... so maybe just politely asking won't get it done :) 


sean



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Re: description writing guide

[Andreas Metzler]

Martin Schulze <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Joshua Haberman wrote:
>>> It is a bad practice to repeat the package name as the first word in the
>>> long description.  
 
>>> Also the URL does not belong into the description but should be
>>> placed in the debian/copyright file instead.

>> What if someone wants to visit the webpage before they install a package,
>> to decide whether it's worth downloading or not (especially if their
>> bandwidth is slow and expensive)?

> He visits http://packages.debian.org/$package and some day it will
> display URLs as well.

Once that happens I'll remove the URL from the package description,
which gives me the URL on packages.debian.org /now/.
cu andreas

file format for debian/copyright

[Luca - De Whiskey's - De Vitis]

What about having control file like format for copyright files?

--- copyright ---
Packaged-By: Luca - De Whiskey's - De Vitis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Packaged-On: Sun, 08 Dec 2002 00:52:10 +0100
Original-Source: ftp://ftp.example.org/upstream-1.0.0.tar.gz
Upstream-Authors:
 Foo 
 Bar 
Copyright: GNU General Public License (file:///usr/share/common-licenses/GPL)
 This package is free software; you can redistribute it and/or modify
 it under the terms of the GNU General Public License as published by
 the Free Software Foundation; version 2 dated June, 1991.

 This package is distributed in the hope that it will be useful,
 but WITHOUT ANY WARRANTY; without even the implied warranty of
 MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE.  See the
 GNU General Public License for more details.

 You should have received a copy of the GNU General Public License
 along with this package; if not, write to the Free Software
 Foundation, Inc., 59 Temple Place - Suite 330, Boston, MA
 02111-1307, USA.
--- copyright ---

This format could improove the accuracy of lintian checks (for example,
copyright-should-refer-to-common-license-file-for-gpl may fail to
understand that GPL is only mentioned in the copyright notice, and is not
the type of the license); we could also provide some frontend to grep-dctrl to
query that file.

ciao,
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Re: guaranteed non-interactive installation and upgrades

[Colin Walters]

On Sat, 2002-12-07 at 14:23, Bastian Blank wrote:
> On Sat, Dec 07, 2002 at 01:44:31PM -0500, Colin Walters wrote:
> > And we could fix the exim issue by switching to Postfix as the default
> > MTA...
> 
> the sollution is not to use other packages, it is fixing the packages.

But no one has shown any interest in fixing exim.  On the other hand I
was interested enough in Postfix to write the debconfiscation, and then
John Goerzen and LaMont Jones were interested enough to fix and
significantly improve it.

> if the maintainers won't do that, we need a policy paragraph to force
> them.

Making a policy proposal won't force anyone to do anything; it may
motivate the exim people more, but I doubt it.  Of course, with the
policy proposal, we will have a better justification for switching to
Postfix if exim isn't fixed.

Whether we should have this policy proposal and make complete
debconfiscation a goal for sarge is something that I don't have an
opinion on yet.

Re: private debian pools

[Brian May]

On Sat, Dec 07, 2002 at 11:21:17AM +0100, Fabio Massimo Di Nitto wrote:
> Do you have some documentation done somewhere? I wasn't able to find the
> README file.

Sorry about that. It is possible that the webserver has somehow
been configured not to display README files.

For now I have renamed it to Readme.

Also I have identified a bug in the last line of installchanges,
it tries to move the changes file to the done directory with
this perl command:

rename($ARGV,"done") or die "Cannot move $ARGV to done: $!";

but perl isn't this convenient, I may have to extract the filename from
$ARGV (without the path) and add that to the end of the directory.

> d-arch-builder?? (debian-archive-builder)

Sounds good.

>
> > dpkg-scanpackages and dpkg-scansources have been hacked to take a
> > file with a list of packages as a parameter.
>
> Did you add the fuctionality or just a simple hack? maybe handling it
> as an cmd line option (ex: --file-list ) will make life much
> easier and merge with the original one much faster without breaking
> the normal functionalities.

A very simple hack, the first parameter is replaced with a file name,
this file is opened and a list of files retreived.

It is a 4 to 6 line diff.

The dpkg-scanudebs is almost identical but it has a single instance of
".deb" replaced with ".udeb".

A --file-list parameter would be good, and an option to use udebs
instead of debs.

A --file-list option will make the first parameter obsolete though, it
is not required.
--
Brian May <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Re: file format for debian/copyright

[Josip Rodin]

On Sun, Dec 08, 2002 at 01:04:40AM +0100, Luca - De Whiskey's - De Vitis wrote:
> copyright-should-refer-to-common-license-file-for-gpl may fail to
> understand that GPL is only mentioned in the copyright notice, and is not
> the type of the license

Ehm. If GPL isn't used, don't mention it. How much simpler can it get? :)

-- 
 2. That which causes joy or happiness.

Re: file format for debian/copyright

[James Troup]

Josip Rodin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> On Sun, Dec 08, 2002 at 01:04:40AM +0100, Luca - De Whiskey's - De Vitis 
> wrote:
> > copyright-should-refer-to-common-license-file-for-gpl may fail to
> > understand that GPL is only mentioned in the copyright notice, and is not
> > the type of the license
> 
> Ehm. If GPL isn't used, don't mention it. How much simpler can it get? :)

Err, because there are licenses (e.g. openssl) which mention the GPL
themselves (in contexts like: "you can't just GPL it")?

-- 
James

Re: file format for debian/copyright

[Josip Rodin]

On Sun, Dec 08, 2002 at 01:59:31AM +, James Troup wrote:
> > > copyright-should-refer-to-common-license-file-for-gpl may fail to
> > > understand that GPL is only mentioned in the copyright notice, and is not
> > > the type of the license
> > 
> > Ehm. If GPL isn't used, don't mention it. How much simpler can it get? :)
> 
> Err, because there are licenses (e.g. openssl) which mention the GPL
> themselves (in contexts like: "you can't just GPL it")?

Weird people. Oh well, if it escalates, I'll downgrade it to a warning.

-- 
 2. That which causes joy or happiness.

debian-installer

[Brian May]

I sucessfully created a debian-installer disk with a kernel that has
SE-Linux, EVMS, FreeS/WAN support, and ACL support.

(actually I can't imagine anybody wanting FreeS/WAN to install, but it
might be useful, eg for installing over secure wireless network I
can't see any benifit of ACL support in an installer; at least not yet.
Who cares ;-) )

My result is at
http://www.microcomaustralia.com.au/debian/net-1440.img>.

UDEBS at:

deb http://www.microcomaustralia.com.au/debian/ debian
unstable/debian-installer

(copied from memory).

Also:

deb http://www.microcomaustralia.com.au/debian/ debian
local/debian-installer

Contains a selection of files from the debian archive, I don't guarantee
I will keep this up-to-date though. The only reason I created is is
because of the limitation documented below.

(then again I don't claim I will keep any of this up-to-date, things
change too fast).

I generated this yesterday, so it is possible it is badly out of date
already ;-).

Also, I am just guessing what needs to be done halve the time.

While you can't yet use it to install Debian, I think it clearly shows
what is possible with the modular design of debian-installer.

A future version of selinux-small could, for instance create a
selinux-udeb package which could be used for initially installing
SE-Linux on to the harddisk (I am not yet sure of the details involved).

I just have several comments (sorry if these are already fixed, it is
possible some of the udebs I am using are old).

- the clean target in the build directory doesn't seem to work properly
  (more details available on request).

- I had to use UPX to compress the kernel, even now there is not much
  spare room on the floppy disk...

- For the net floppy, after entering the download site it doesn't
  appear possible to change it for any reason, not even if you got it
  wrong and it doesn't work. I had to reboot my computer a few times
  because of this.

- For URLs, I really needed the ability to specify multiple websites, so
  it would fetch my kernel UDEBs from my website, and other UDEBS from
  the Debian website. This didn't seem to be possible.

- There didn't seem to be any checks that the depends fields could be
  satisified when installing a udeb package from the network, so I would
  get strange errors as a result because essiential programs and/or
  libraries cannot be found (eg. depmod).

- It seems pointless listing kernel-modules to download for kernel
  versions that are not running...

Some other points which are probably less important at the moment:

- running base install tried to download files from http:///..., which
  isn't a valid URL.

- not really easy to tell what the next step is meant to be
  installation wise.

Also, my first version kept crashing (my fault; I used a buggy version
of the ACL kernel patch); hopefully this should be fixed now.
--
Brian May <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

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