Re: Bug#203498: ITP: decss -- utility for stripping CSS tags from
On Fri, Aug 01, 2003 at 12:36:52AM +0200, Christoph Berg wrote: > If you are both a DD and upstream, why didn't you package it yourself? Because he's also a troll.
Bug#203712: ITP: irqbalance -- Balances irq's for SMP systems
Package: wnpp Version: unavailable; reported 2003-07-31 Severity: wishlist * Package name: irqbalance Version : 0.6 Upstream Author : Arjan van de Ven <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * URL : http://people.redhat.com/arjanv/irqbalance/ * License : OSL 1.1 Description : Balances irq's for SMP systems Daemon to balance irq's across multiple CPUs on systems with the 2.4 or 2.6 kernel. Only useful on SMP systems. -- System Information: Debian Release: testing/unstable Architecture: i386 Kernel: Linux nightcrawler 2.4.21 #1 SMP Sun Jul 27 01:13:50 EDT 2003 i686 Locale: LANG=en_US, LC_CTYPE=en_US
XD2 for debian woody
Hi debian-devel : I'm a board member of hispalinux [1] , and actually we are working very hard on metadistros project. This project [1] will be a perfect platform for develop cumstomizated debian distros. Now , we are making the XD2 debian packages for integrate them in the metadistros project. This packages , like metadistros, will be debian woody compatible. An member of hispalinux lend us a server (P4-2GHz 512 ram 50Gb HD) for to work on it. Actually , Ghe Riveiro [3] is working and coordinating it. If anybody is interested on it , please contact with Ghe [3]. Any contribution is welcome. Thanks for all Roberto Majadas [1] http://www.hispalinux.es [2] http://metadistros.hispalinux.es [3] mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- - Roberto Majadas Lopez [EMAIL PROTECTED] board member of Hispalinux http://www.hispalinux.es
Re: New virtual package: myspell-dictionary?
On Thu, Jul 31, 2003 at 07:44:06PM +0200, Rene Engelhard wrote:
> "Packages MUST NOT use virtual package names (except privately, amongst
> a cooperating group of packages) unless they have been agreed upon and
> appear in this list."
Note that the exception ("except privately...") is large enough to
drive a truck through! :)
But yeah, I have no problem with this name. It seems well-formed,
consistent with existing practice, and doesn't conflict with anything
else I'm aware of, and, AFAIK, those are really the only valid reasons
for objecting to a proposed virtual package name.
--
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Re: Bug#203498: ITP: decss -- utility for stripping CSS tags from
Re: Re: Bug#203498: ITP: decss -- utility for stripping CSS tags from [Evan Prodromou <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Thu, Jul 31, 2003 at 12:48:41PM -0400, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>] > The idea that valuable Free Software for an important Web standard > isn't available in Debian is unconscionable. If you are both a DD and upstream, why didn't you package it yourself? Christoph -- Christoph Berg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, http://www.df7cb.de Wohnheim D, 2405, Universität des Saarlandes, 0681/9657944 pgpTcr0xneZpr.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Bug#203701: RFP: umbrello -- UML editor and modeller
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Thursday 31 July 2003 23:11, Daniel Martins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Package: wnpp > Severity: wishlist > > * Package name: umbrello > * URL or Web page : http://uml.sourceforge.net/index.php > > There is an unstable .deb on the homepage but it requires kdelibs4 If this program is packaged for Debian, it too will require kdelibs4. This is a KDE app, and KDE 3 (the version in Debian/unstable) includes/requires kdelibs4. Further, this program is likely to be released with KDE3.2 later this year - it is already in KDE CVS (kdesdk module). Regards, Paul Cupis - -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/KZtqIzuKV+SHX/kRAvPEAJ0Rsuz/P2z2tyeFPIc7dnUkLbuRGACfVPE2 LGmQ8Cen8YweoF3Aw5SLdSQ= =a1Vc -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Bug#203701: RFP: umbrello -- UML editor and modeller
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist * Package name: umbrello Version : 1.1.1 stable 1.2 and 2 unstable Upstream Author : * URL or Web page : http://uml.sourceforge.net/index.php * License : GPL Description : UML editor and modeller Umbrello UML Modeller is a Unified Modelling Language diagram programme for KDE. UML allows you to create diagrams of software and other systems in a standard format. There is an unstable .deb on the homepage but it requires kdelibs4 Daniel
Re: CUPS should be the default print service in Debian/Sarge
Bas Zoetekouw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > So am I. To bad it isn't lpr compatible at all (at least not > lprng-lpr). Well, lprng isn't lpr... but if there are clienty things you want, you could probably use lprng's clients with CUPS's lpr server. -- Alan Shutko <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> - I am the rocks. He's so sadistic, he put quicksand in the litter box.
Re: CUPS should be the default print service in Debian/Sarge
Hi Cyrille! You wrote: > I'm mostly using its lpr-compatible command-line interface. So am I. To bad it isn't lpr compatible at all (at least not lprng-lpr). -- Kind regards, ++ | Bas Zoetekouw | GPG key: 0644fab7 | || Fingerprint: c1f5 f24c d514 3fec 8bf6 | | [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] | a2b1 2bae e41f 0644 fab7 | ++
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Re: debconf 2005 in Vienna, Austria
Fabio Massimo Di Nitto, on 2003-07-31, 21:04, you wrote: > nice to start together. If you force overlapping days than you force > people to choose something when there is no reason to and noone can be in > two places at the same time ;) Did Joey still not manage to implement fork(2)? SCNR, Joerg -- Joerg "joergland" Wendland GPG: 51CF8417 FP: 79C0 7671 AFC7 315E 657A F318 57A3 7FBD 51CF 8417 pgp1UyvnI2Q2d.pgp Description: PGP signature
Bug#203686: ITP: hawhaw -- a toolkit to create universal mobile applications
Package: wnpp Version: unavailable; reported 2003-07-31 Severity: wishlist * Package name: hawhaw Version : 5.0.0 Upstream Author : Norbert Huffschmid <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * URL : http://www.hawhaw.de/ * License : LGPL Description : a PHP toolkit to create universal mobile applications With HAWHAW you can publish WAP pages which are also accessible by HTML standard browsers. HAWHAW automatically determines the requesting device's capabilities and creates appropriate markup code.
Bug#203687: ITP: hawxy -- a script that makes PHP-enabled webservers to HAWHAW proxies
Package: wnpp Version: unavailable; reported 2003-07-31 Severity: wishlist * Package name: hawxy Version : 1.1.0 Upstream Author : Norbert Huffschmid <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * URL : http://www.hawhaw.de * License : GPL Description : a script that makes PHP-enabled webservers to HAWHAW proxies This program makes ordinary PHP-enabled webservers to HAWHAW proxies. A HAWHAW proxy is a server through which a broad range of mobile devices can browse web pages written in HAWHAW XML.
Re: Current linux console screen blanking period?
On Thu, 2003-07-31 at 16:07, Petter Reinholdtsen wrote: > I know it is possible to use 'setterm -blank ' to change the > current screen saver timeout value in the linux console. But is it > possible to get the current value out of the console? > > I want to disable the screen saver while some task is being done, and > then enable it again with the original value when the task is done. > Is this possible? A quick look at the kernel (2.4.19 sources) appears to say no; its a pity that the ioctl call doesn't return the previous value. Within console tools, you could probably read the default from /etc/console-tools/config ; within d-i , I'd presume since we'd just assume the kernel value. Regards, Alastair -- Alastair McKinstry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> GPG Key fingerprint = 9E64 E714 8E08 81F9 F3DC 1020 FA8E 3790 9051 38F4 He that would make his own liberty secure must guard even his enemy from oppression; for if he violates this duty he establishes a precedent that will reach to himself. - --Thomas Paine
Re: debconf 2005 in Vienna, Austria
On Thu, 31 Jul 2003, Jesus Climent wrote: > On Thu, Jul 31, 2003 at 06:29:27AM +0200, Fabio Massimo Di Nitto wrote: > > > > > > Some of us do not want/cannot go to linuxtag, but we could be in vienna > > > already friday evening or saturday morning. > > > > Please no. Do not schedule overlapping events. People interested in both > > than will be in troubles. > > I fail to see the problem. The first days were rather relaxed, on the "this is > not working, can anyone please do something? no? ok, i will do it..." kind of > way. > > Getting lost all together instead in small lots is baaad. > > I believe is was a better experience this way. severity wishlist :-) no i don't see it as a big problem but it would be nice to start together. If you force overlapping days than you force people to choose something when there is no reason to and noone can be in two places at the same time ;) Fabio -- Our mission: make IPv6 the default IP protocol "We are on a mission from God" - Elwood Blues http://www.itojun.org/paper/itojun-nanog-200210-ipv6isp/mgp4.html
Re: CUPS should be the default print service in Debian/Sarge
On Thu, Jul 31, 2003 at 03:38:55PM +0200, Petter Reinholdtsen wrote: > I believe it would be a good idea if the default print system in the > next release of Debian (Sarge) is changed to CUPS. CUPS is a more > complete, more userfriendly and RFC complient printing system. FWIW, I've had very good experiences with the CUPS in unstable, so I'd not object to this. OTOH, installing it without it being 'default' is already quite trivial. What would this change entail, exactly? Just my non-DD US$0.02. - Keegan pgpD9zk1xuo7I.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: setuid/setgid binaries contained in the Debian repository.
Steve Kemp wrote: > On Thu, Jul 31, 2003 at 12:55:28PM -0400, Joey Hess wrote: > > > I'd like to see us move all of our setgid games (except, perhaps, > > nethack) away from using global score files by default. > > I think that should be a good option, but I can see several > games that might suffer by it. Right, such as nethack. Not many though. > I'm loath to ask the user if it should be setgid in the installer > because that's just needless distraction, but perhaps some global > 'setgidnes' setting could be stored in /etc/games? I just threw something in README.Debian and NEWS.Debian about it for xbl. > > I also think it would be a good idea for policy to require all > > setuid/gid bit grants to go through this or another list for peer > > review, much as pre-depends are supposed to. > > I was thinking of approaching that problem a different way. > > In the same way that apt-listchanges shows a packages changelog > at install time, I could see a script 'apt-listsetuid' which would > warn the admin at install time if any new setuid/setgid applications > were being installed. > (Optionally with the option to remove such bits on a global or per > package basis). > > I've thought this several times, but never quite gotten around to > writing the code - if there was any interest I would. That might have more or less the same effect, if developers are the ones who run the script. I don't feel this would be very useful for users though. -- see shy jo pgpaTykjua3P9.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: setuid/setgid binaries contained in the Debian repository.
On Thu, Jul 31, 2003 at 06:37:53PM +0100, Steve Kemp wrote: > On Thu, Jul 31, 2003 at 12:55:28PM -0400, Joey Hess wrote: > > I also think it would be a good idea for policy to require all > > setuid/gid bit grants to go through this or another list for peer > > review, much as pre-depends are supposed to. > > I was thinking of approaching that problem a different way. > > In the same way that apt-listchanges shows a packages changelog > at install time, I could see a script 'apt-listsetuid' which would > warn the admin at install time if any new setuid/setgid applications > were being installed. I use checksecurity for this; it runs from cron (daily by default) and notifies me whenever there is a change in the list of setuid and setgid programs on the system. -- - mdz
New virtual package: myspell-dictionary?
Hi, I forgot that doing before, so forgive me sending this mail now and not earlier... ;) "Packages MUST NOT use virtual package names (except privately, amongst a cooperating group of packages) unless they have been agreed upon and appear in this list." OK, as the procedure describes, here I am :) Proposal: --- virtual-package-names-list.txt.old 2003-07-31 02:04:23.0 +0200 +++ virtual-package-names-list.txt 2003-07-31 02:14:54.0 +0200 @@ -88,6 +88,7 @@ dict-server the Dictionary Server info-browsersomething that can browse GNU Info files ispell-dictionary a dictionary for the ispell system + myspell-dictionary a dictionary for the myspell system man-browser something that can read man pages wordlista /usr/share/dict/words (*) www-browser something that can browse HTML files The new policy for the former openoffice.org-spellcheck-* packages (included in the "Debian Spelling Dictionaries and Tools Policy") has written in it that they should provide myspell-dictionary and myspell-dictionary-* (that's a special exception for the openoffice.org-l10n-* packages to suggests an matching dictionary) and openoffice.org / mozilla-spellchecker[1] / ... should suggest/recommend/... myspell-dictionary. I think that is just a logical approach seeing that we already have aspell-dictionary and ispell-dictionary... Grüße/Regards, René [1] if that should be packaged at some time (see #194856) -- .''`. René Engelhard -- Debian GNU/Linux Developer : :' : http://www.debian.org | http://people.debian.org/~rene/ `. `' [EMAIL PROTECTED] | GnuPG-Key ID: 248AEB73 `- Fingerprint: 41FA F208 28D4 7CA5 19BB 7AD9 F859 90B0 248A EB73 pgp728sg0r3FI.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: setuid/setgid binaries contained in the Debian repository.
On Thu, Jul 31, 2003 at 12:55:28PM -0400, Joey Hess wrote: > I'd like to see us move all of our setgid games (except, perhaps, > nethack) away from using global score files by default. I think that should be a good option, but I can see several games that might suffer by it. I'm loath to ask the user if it should be setgid in the installer because that's just needless distraction, but perhaps some global 'setgidnes' setting could be stored in /etc/games? > I also think it would be a good idea for policy to require all > setuid/gid bit grants to go through this or another list for peer > review, much as pre-depends are supposed to. I was thinking of approaching that problem a different way. In the same way that apt-listchanges shows a packages changelog at install time, I could see a script 'apt-listsetuid' which would warn the admin at install time if any new setuid/setgid applications were being installed. (Optionally with the option to remove such bits on a global or per package basis). I've thought this several times, but never quite gotten around to writing the code - if there was any interest I would. Steve --- www.steve.org.uk pgpDp7LJFCK6J.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Bug#203498: ITP: decss -- utility for stripping CSS tags from an HTML page.
> "PM" == Peter Makholm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Me> I've used the script to promote freedom. PM> How the hell does you promote freedom by removing stylesheets PM> from html? It's amazing, isn't it? Anyways, the W3C thought the tool was important enough to list on their CSS site: http://www.w3.org/Style/CSS/ The idea that valuable Free Software for an important Web standard isn't available in Debian is unconscionable. But, of course, being a running-dog bootlicking collaborationist TOOL OF THE MAN, you probably don't understand that. It's kind of sad, but as they say, "Free your mind and your CSS will follow." ~ESP -- Evan Prodromou [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: setuid/setgid binaries contained in the Debian repository.
Steve Kemp wrote: > A long time ago[1] I asked if there was a list of all the setuid/setgid > binaries contained in the previous Debian stable release. > > As there still isn't such a list I've created one and placed it online > with a simple search form. > > (This is the list that my recent spate of bug reporting has been > based upon). > > http://www.steve.org.uk/cgi-bin/debian/index.cgi I'd like to see us move all of our setgid games (except, perhaps, nethack) away from using global score files by default. After several bad experiences with xbl (DSA-345, DSA-327)), I suggested to its author that it be changed to use a score file in the player's home directory. We ended up making it do that by default, but letting it use a global score file if it is locally made setgid since it's been pretty well audited by now. Anyway, the point is that most games need a global score file like I need a third ear -- maybe useful from time to time[1], but normally just one more thing to worry about. I plan to go through the rest of the games I maintain and make similar changes. I also think it would be a good idea for policy to require all setuid/gid bit grants to go through this or another list for peer review, much as pre-depends are supposed to. -- see shy jo [1] Multi-user game machines are not as common as they once were. pgpqovdo6S6Tu.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: setuid/setgid binaries contained in the Debian repository.
On Thu, Jul 31, 2003 at 05:30:11PM +0300, Richard Braakman wrote: > If you're just scanning for binaries with s bits set, then you'll > probably miss all the ones that use whatever that tool was > (suidmanager?) that was used by some packages before we had > dpkg-statoverride. Yes I know that I'm missing a few, but apart from the ones that get +suided in the Debian/rules files, or are handled via other means then I've got a more comprehensive list than I've seen anywhere else. There's probably a lot to be said for building a chroot installation and installing each package in turn; but I don't have the time for that at the moment. Steve -- www.steve.org.uk pgp9kxAnEFBVj.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Bug#203639: ITP: cpudyn -- CPU dynamic frequency control
On Thu, Jul 31, 2003 at 06:01:44PM +0200, CÃdric Delfosse wrote: > > I don't understand why a cpufreq patch is needed for kernel. With a > recent ACPI (like in 2.4.22), you can change CPU performance (for a P4, > I don't know for PPC) like this: > > Why is a cpufreq patch needed for P4 processor ? Extracted from the changelog 0.3.2: 03/06/2003 - Added acpi throttling support by Arturo GonzÃlez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> It works with kernels with ACPI support without cpufreq enabled. See, for example: http://savannah.nongnu.org/forum/forum.php?forum_id=2003 ItÅs no necesary so iÅm going to change the description in the package Thanks -- Celso pgpMIVVZRcWhr.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Bug#203639: ITP: cpudyn -- CPU dynamic frequency control
On Thu, Jul 31, 2003 at 06:01:44PM +0200, Cédric Delfosse wrote: > I don't understand why a cpufreq patch is needed for kernel. With a > recent ACPI (like in 2.4.22), you can change CPU performance (for a P4, > I don't know for PPC) like this: Well, quite apart from anything else ACPI isn't going to get you terribly far on things like PowerPC or ARM that don't do ACPI. -- "You grabbed my hand and we fell into it, like a daydream - or a fever."
Re: Bug#203639: ITP: cpudyn -- CPU dynamic frequency control
Le jeu 31/07/2003 à 17:13, Celso Gonzalez a écrit : > Package: wnpp > Version: unavailable; reported 2003-07-31 > Severity: wishlist > > * Package name: cpudyn > Version : 0.4.0 > Upstream Author : Ricardo Galli <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > * URL : http://mnm.uib.es/~gallir/cpudyn/ > * License : GPL > Description : CPU dynamic frequency control > > cpudyn controls the speed in Intel SpeedStep, Pentium 4 Mobile, > and PowerPC machines with the cpufreq compiled in the kernel. It saves > battery, lowers temperature, and can put the computer disks in standby > mode if a given period has passed without any I/O operation. It works > well even with journaled file systems such as Ext3, XFS, or ReiserFS. > I don't understand why a cpufreq patch is needed for kernel. With a recent ACPI (like in 2.4.22), you can change CPU performance (for a P4, I don't know for PPC) like this: glop:/tmp# cat /proc/acpi/processor/CPU0/performance state count: 2 active state:P0 states: *P0: 2000 MHz, 22000 mW, 250 uS P1: 1200 MHz, 9800 mW, 250 uS glop:/tmp# echo 1 > /proc/acpi/processor/CPU0/performance glop:/tmp# cat /proc/acpi/processor/CPU0/performance state count: 2 active state:P1 states: P0: 2000 MHz, 22000 mW, 250 uS *P1: 1200 MHz, 9800 mW, 250 uS Why is a cpufreq patch needed for P4 processor ? -- Cédric Delfosse, http://cedric.freezope.org Jabber ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] signature.asc Description: Ceci est une partie de message =?ISO-8859-1?Q?num=E9riquement?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?_sign=E9e?=
Bug#203639: ITP: cpudyn -- CPU dynamic frequency control
Package: wnpp Version: unavailable; reported 2003-07-31 Severity: wishlist * Package name: cpudyn Version : 0.4.0 Upstream Author : Ricardo Galli <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * URL : http://mnm.uib.es/~gallir/cpudyn/ * License : GPL Description : CPU dynamic frequency control cpudyn controls the speed in Intel SpeedStep, Pentium 4 Mobile, and PowerPC machines with the cpufreq compiled in the kernel. It saves battery, lowers temperature, and can put the computer disks in standby mode if a given period has passed without any I/O operation. It works well even with journaled file systems such as Ext3, XFS, or ReiserFS. -- System Information: Debian Release: testing/unstable Architecture: i386 Kernel: Linux viac3 2.4.21-rc8 #5 mié jun 11 12:42:30 CEST 2003 i686 Locale: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] (ignored: LC_ALL set)
Current linux console screen blanking period?
I know it is possible to use 'setterm -blank ' to change the current screen saver timeout value in the linux console. But is it possible to get the current value out of the console? I want to disable the screen saver while some task is being done, and then enable it again with the original value when the task is done. Is this possible?
Re: Bug#203498: ITP: decss -- utility for stripping CSS tags from an HTML page.
On Thursday 31 July 2003 11:27, Sam Hocevar wrote: >And HTML makes it even harder since very few pages are valid, but > that DeCSS utility uses only regexes anyway. Technically, using RegExps for CSS will not only become maintenance hell, but would also limit the usability of such a script for e.g. network transparency. If at all, the way to go would be to use a decent HTML parser library (khtml, gecko come to mind, even Python's htmlparser is not mature enough yet), which not only gives the (internal, external) stylesheet but all components of the DOM and whatnot, and use scripting facilities to modify this object, and dump the resulting modified object to e.g. stdout. 'HTML' and 'leightweight' will hardly fit together. Josef -- Play for fun, win for freedom. Hurd^H^H^H^HLinux-Info-Tag Dresden 2003: http://www.linux-dresden.de
Next time the Gentoo argument starts...
Someone did some rather rough timing of Debian vs Mandrake vs Gentoo: http://articles.linmagau.org/modules.php?op=modload&name=Sections&file=index&req=viewarticle&artid=227&page=1 Not the best benchmarking, but at least there are numbers. :) Ross -- Ross Burton mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] www: http://www.burtonini.com./ PGP Fingerprint: 1A21 F5B0 D8D0 CFE3 81D4 E25A 2D09 E447 D0B4 33DF signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: setuid/setgid binaries contained in the Debian repository.
On Thu, Jul 31, 2003 at 01:17:01PM +0100, Steve Kemp wrote: > http://www.steve.org.uk/cgi-bin/debian/index.cgi If you're just scanning for binaries with s bits set, then you'll probably miss all the ones that use whatever that tool was (suidmanager?) that was used by some packages before we had dpkg-statoverride. Richard Braakman
Re: package name change (moviemate -> mediamate)
On Thu, Jul 31, 2003 at 09:46:43AM +0200, Matthias Urlichs wrote: > Hi, Jamin W. Collins wrote: > > > The old DB works fine after the upgrade against it. The questions > > are. Whether removing the configuration files (/etc/moviemate) is a > > taboo, even though the configuration is migrated (/etc/mediamate). > > Leave it there. What if the user wants to downgrade? Then there would be a problem either way since the DB format changed between versions. -- Jamin W. Collins Linux is not The Answer. Yes is the answer. Linux is The Question. - Neo
Re: package name change (moviemate -> mediamate)
On Thu, Jul 31, 2003 at 11:42:32AM +0200, Santiago Vila wrote: > If you make the dummy package of extra priority and section: oldlibs, > the package will be there only until the user runs deborphan to remove > obsolete libraries. Well oldlibs is for libraries, no? And debfoster can automatically find dummy packages using --guess-dummy Ingo -- echo "I love Windows" | tr Windsaw Linux\\b pgpDaRJsBdInn.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: debconf 2005 in Vienna, Austria
Martin List-Petersen dijo [Thu, Jul 31, 2003 at 08:02:05AM +0200]: > Actually the bustour from Stockholm to Copenhagen is 8 hours and it is cheaper > than any low price airline (38 EUR, if you are max. 25, it's actually 31 EUR). > It's about 670 km. > > I know of no low cost airline that can match the distance at that price, if > you > include the costs that regularly are to get to and from the airport, taxes > etc. > > Also there is the stress of getting there in time, check-in, you'll have to > buy > your own food onboard low cost arlines and so on. > > All that could be taken care of by arranging some common transportation. Also, trains in Europe are quite nice, some of them are quite fast, not as expensive as airlines... Plus, a nice and large Debian team could go together from LinuxTag to Vienna... The train company would shudder just thinking about it :) -- Gunnar Wolf - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - (+52-55)5630-9700 ext. 1366 PGP key 1024D/8BB527AF 2001-10-23 Fingerprint: 0C79 D2D1 2C4E 9CE4 5973 F800 D80E F35A 8BB5 27AF
Re: CUPS should be the default print service in Debian/Sarge
Le Thu, Jul 31, 2003, à 03:09:15PM +0100, Ross Burton a écrit: > On Thu, 2003-07-31 at 15:00, Cyrille Chepelov wrote: > > if only gnome-cups-manager wasn't leaking memory like a CPU leaks > > heat...) > > Terribly sorry about this. It's only gnome-cups-icon which leaks like > mad, so you can kill that and use eggcups instead (looks almost > identical). Well, the laserjet 1100 is noisy enough that I know it has stuff in its queue, and I use the Photosmart seldom enough that I don't mind lpstat'ing when I really need a status report (in the long run, I don't mind if the cups-icon gets fixed, but people tend to become crazy if they don't get some fresh air from time to time -- at least I know why there's no activity on that bug for the moment) -- Cyrille -- pgpBoGj97kBam.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: CUPS should be the default print service in Debian/Sarge
On Thu, 2003-07-31 at 15:00, Cyrille Chepelov wrote: > if only gnome-cups-manager wasn't leaking memory like a CPU leaks > heat...) Terribly sorry about this. It's only gnome-cups-icon which leaks like mad, so you can kill that and use eggcups instead (looks almost identical). I'll be removing eggcups once the memory leak issue is fixed. Unfortunately the gnome-cups-maintainer has gone on holiday and I don't have time at the moment to learn the details of the CUPS API. Ross -- Ross Burton mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] www: http://www.burtonini.com./ PGP Fingerprint: 1A21 F5B0 D8D0 CFE3 81D4 E25A 2D09 E447 D0B4 33DF signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: CUPS should be the default print service in Debian/Sarge
On Thu, Jul 31, 2003 at 02:52:04PM +0100, Ross Burton wrote: > On Thu, 2003-07-31 at 14:44, Daniel Jacobowitz wrote: > > The last time I tried to use CUPS, I found it to be so user friendly > > that I couldn't get it to do anything useful. Very pretty, less > > functional; and the documentation was entirely inadequate. > > > > On the other hand, while lprng was anything but user-friendly, it was > > simple and well-documented. Much more important to have something that > > works before you go making it user-friendly! > > As a random reply, I've found CUPS to be easy to admin and maintain. > There are actual documented APIs for accessing the print queue and > spooler, and printing worked first time, even when printing on an inkjet > printer on a Win98 box being shared across SMB. > > http://www.cups.org/documentation.php lists plenty of documentation, > which is generally quite good IMHO. > > However, I am biased, as I package the GNOME CUPS packages... :) My perception was that CUPS suffers from ignoring the Unix philosophy - it only seems to work with CUPS printer drivers. There isn't one for my printer. There's a ghostscript driver, and damned if I could make foomatic work with an arbitrary ghostscript driver it didn't already know about. Maze of twisty little configuration files, all useless. I may be the only one, but I find printcap convenient. I may need a man page or example every time I touch it, but I know right where everything is! -- Daniel Jacobowitz MontaVista Software Debian GNU/Linux Developer
Re: CUPS should be the default print service in Debian/Sarge
> On Thu, Jul 31, 2003 at 03:38:55PM +0200, Petter Reinholdtsen wrote: > > > > I believe it would be a good idea if the default print system in the > > next release of Debian (Sarge) is changed to CUPS. CUPS is a more > > complete, more userfriendly and RFC complient printing system. > > > > http://www.cups.org> > > > > Any reason not to change the default? > > The last time I tried to use CUPS, I found it to be so user friendly > that I couldn't get it to do anything useful. Very pretty, less > functional; and the documentation was entirely inadequate. > > On the other hand, while lprng was anything but user-friendly, it was > simple and well-documented. Much more important to have something that > works before you go making it user-friendly! FWIW, I've tried it once, with total success, and been shocked at how easy it was. No hassle at all. Then again, printing to a local HP LaserJet isn't exactly a complicated task. I did wonder where lpr and lpq had gone, but they were in the cupsys-bsd package. A
Re: CUPS should be the default print service in Debian/Sarge
Le Thu, Jul 31, 2003, à 09:44:17AM -0400, Daniel Jacobowitz a écrit: > The last time I tried to use CUPS, I found it to be so user friendly > that I couldn't get it to do anything useful. Very pretty, less > functional; and the documentation was entirely inadequate. Well, while what you describe more or less matches the experience I had with CUPS 18 months ago, I don't think it still applies today (with the sarge binaries). Maybe one could charge CUPS with eating a little bit too much memory, or that funnelling the contents of linuxprinting.org[*] to enhance the foomatic-db isn't exactly user-friendly, but save from this, I find it very nice (even if I'm mostly using its lpr-compatible command-line interface. aaah, if only gnome-cups-manager wasn't leaking memory like a CPU leaks heat...) -- Cyrille [*] for a HP Photosmart 7150. --
Re: CUPS should be the default print service in Debian/Sarge
On Thu, 2003-07-31 at 14:44, Daniel Jacobowitz wrote: > The last time I tried to use CUPS, I found it to be so user friendly > that I couldn't get it to do anything useful. Very pretty, less > functional; and the documentation was entirely inadequate. > > On the other hand, while lprng was anything but user-friendly, it was > simple and well-documented. Much more important to have something that > works before you go making it user-friendly! As a random reply, I've found CUPS to be easy to admin and maintain. There are actual documented APIs for accessing the print queue and spooler, and printing worked first time, even when printing on an inkjet printer on a Win98 box being shared across SMB. http://www.cups.org/documentation.php lists plenty of documentation, which is generally quite good IMHO. However, I am biased, as I package the GNOME CUPS packages... :) Ross -- Ross Burton mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] www: http://www.burtonini.com./ PGP Fingerprint: 1A21 F5B0 D8D0 CFE3 81D4 E25A 2D09 E447 D0B4 33DF signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: CUPS should be the default print service in Debian/Sarge
On Thu, Jul 31, 2003 at 03:38:55PM +0200, Petter Reinholdtsen wrote: > > I believe it would be a good idea if the default print system in the > next release of Debian (Sarge) is changed to CUPS. CUPS is a more > complete, more userfriendly and RFC complient printing system. > > http://www.cups.org> > > Any reason not to change the default? The last time I tried to use CUPS, I found it to be so user friendly that I couldn't get it to do anything useful. Very pretty, less functional; and the documentation was entirely inadequate. On the other hand, while lprng was anything but user-friendly, it was simple and well-documented. Much more important to have something that works before you go making it user-friendly! -- Daniel Jacobowitz MontaVista Software Debian GNU/Linux Developer
CUPS should be the default print service in Debian/Sarge
I believe it would be a good idea if the default print system in the next release of Debian (Sarge) is changed to CUPS. CUPS is a more complete, more userfriendly and RFC complient printing system. http://www.cups.org> Any reason not to change the default?
Re: debconf 2005 in Vienna, Austria
Citat Riku Voipio <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > On Thu, Jul 31, 2003 at 11:25:24AM +0200, Oliver Kurth wrote: > > On Thu, Jul 31, 2003 at 10:44:26AM +0200, Sven Luther wrote: > > > But trains would be much more expensive, i think, than a common (full) > > > bus. > > > Probably yes. Of course it depends on your preference, and what you can > > afford. Traveling by train is much more relaxing, especially if you have > > a bed there. Sort of, at least. > > Trains (atleast the newer ones in finland) have electric sockets, > so we could headstart the debcamp. Maybe in 2005 there will even be > 3G internet coverage on the route instead of the current max 50kbit/s > gprs... We make sure then, that we get a group ticket on a train, what so ever, where stuff like that is possible. ;o) The main idea was more the suggestion to couple enough people to arrange some kind of transportation, which will be cheaper, more fun and definatly more relaxing for most of us. Regards, Martin List-Petersen martin at list-petersen dot dk -- What good is an obscenity trial except to popularize literature? -- Nero Wolfe, "The League of Frightened Men"
Re: debconf 2005 in Vienna, Austria
Citat Sven Luther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > On Thu, Jul 31, 2003 at 10:22:34AM +0200, Oliver Kurth wrote: > > On Thu, Jul 31, 2003 at 09:48:01AM +0200, Sven Luther wrote: > > > On Thu, Jul 31, 2003 at 02:29:06AM +0200, Bernd Eckenfels wrote: > > > > On Thu, Jul 31, 2003 at 02:12:08AM +0200, Amaya wrote: > > > > > Martin List-Petersen dijo: > > > > > > Something like that sounds sane. It gives even the possibility > > > > > > organising a "shuttle"-bus or something likewise from LinuxTag to > > > > > > Vienna > > > > > > > > > > That sound so appealing that I would even consider also attendig > > > > > LinuxTag :-) > > > > > > > > Keep in mind, this is 730km and will take up to 8-12h > > > > > > Nothing compared to the 1800 km from Karlsruhe to Oslo, And if there is > > > a bus, you could sleep or just rest, not needing to drive or something > > > such. > > > > There is also a direct night train, takes 9:30 hours. Just look at > > http://www.bahn.de. > > But trains would be much more expensive, i think, than a common (full) > bus. > That was somewhat the point, when i mentioned sharing a bus. It depends on how many we are of course. It could also be possible eventually make a deal with DB (Deutsche Bahn) about some group rabat, if we just know, how many are going. So it's mostly to coordinate this people first and then get an offer. Regards, Martin List-Petersen martin at list-petersen dot dk -- Q: How many Californians does it take to screw in a lightbulb? A: Five. One to screw in the lightbulb and four to share the experience. (Actually, Californians don't screw in lightbulbs, they screw in hot tubs.) Q: How many Oregonians does it take to screw in a light bulb? A: Three. One to screw in the lightbulb and two to fend off all those Californians trying to share the experience.
Re: A success story with apt and rsync
> From time to time the question arises on different forums whether it is > possible to efficiently use rsync with apt-get. Recently there has been a > thread here on debian-devel and it was also mentioned in Debian Weekly News > June 24th, 2003. However, I only saw different small parts of a huge and > complex problem set discussed at different places, I haven't find an > overview of the whole situation anywhere. > Sorry that I write so late but I'm not reading debian-devel regularly. I've started a solution to distribute Debian mirrors by rsync about 2 years ago. The only "impact" (if impact is the right word) of my soultion on Debian is the use of the rsync patch for gzip. Everything else is solve by my perl script so you might find ideas for your apt solution there. See "http://dpartialmirror.sourceforge.net/";. O. Wyss -- See "http://wxguide.sourceforge.net/"; for ideas how to design your app.
Re: debconf 2005 in Vienna, Austria
On Thu, Jul 31, 2003 at 11:25:24AM +0200, Oliver Kurth wrote: > On Thu, Jul 31, 2003 at 10:44:26AM +0200, Sven Luther wrote: > > But trains would be much more expensive, i think, than a common (full) > > bus. > Probably yes. Of course it depends on your preference, and what you can > afford. Traveling by train is much more relaxing, especially if you have > a bed there. Sort of, at least. Trains (atleast the newer ones in finland) have electric sockets, so we could headstart the debcamp. Maybe in 2005 there will even be 3G internet coverage on the route instead of the current max 50kbit/s gprs... -- Riku Voipio|[EMAIL PROTECTED] | kirkkonummentie 33 |+358 40 8476974 --+-- 02140 Espoo| | Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored. |
Re: Bug#203498: ITP: decss -- utility for stripping CSS tags from an HTML page.
Evan Prodromou <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > PM> How the entertainment industry manages to handle their > PM> copyright has nothing to do with free software. > > You know nothing, pink boy. I know a lot of thing and I know that it is impossible for some people to differenciate between free software and how ever the entertainmen industry handles their given rights. So either we should stop here or do som serious flaming: 'pink boy' you should be better than that, try again. -- Peter Makholm |'Cause suicide is painless [EMAIL PROTECTED] | It brings on many changes http://hacking.dk |And I can take or leave it if I please |-- Suicide is painless
Re: Bug#203498: ITP: decss -- utility for stripping CSS tags from an HTML page.
> "PM" == Peter Makholm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: PM> How the entertainment industry manages to handle their PM> copyright has nothing to do with free software. You know nothing, pink boy. ~ESP -- Evan Prodromou [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Bug#203498: ITP: decss -- utility for stripping CSS tags from an HTML page.
Evan Prodromou <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I've used the script to promote freedom. How the hell does you promote freedom by removing stylesheets from html? -- Peter Makholm | Ladies and gentlemen, take my advice, pull down your [EMAIL PROTECTED] |pants and slide on the ice http://hacking.dk |-- Sidney Freedman
Re: debconf 2005 in Vienna, Austria
Quoting Jonathan Walther ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): > 4 hours to get somewhere is just an enjoyable Sunday drive. Not on german Autobhanen... :-). And especially if this happens during the week.
Re: setuid/setgid binaries contained in the Debian repository.
A long time ago[1] I asked if there was a list of all the setuid/setgid binaries contained in the previous Debian stable release. As there still isn't such a list I've created one and placed it online with a simple search form. (This is the list that my recent spate of bug reporting has been based upon). http://www.steve.org.uk/cgi-bin/debian/index.cgi Steve -- www.steve.org.uk [1] http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2002/debian-devel-200211/msg02720.html pgpS8Jn3yG3EF.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Bug#203498: ITP: decss -- utility for stripping CSS tags from an HTML page.
> "SL" == Steve Langasek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: SL> Since you're the upstream author, I'll ask: have you ever SL> actually used this script yourself? If so... why? :) (And is SL> the stripping of class/id attributes a bug?) I've used the script to promote freedom. For that particular case, no, stripping of class and id is not a bug. ~ESP -- Evan Prodromou [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: debconf 2005 in Vienna, Austria
On Wed, Jul 30, 2003 at 10:52:51PM -0700, Jonathan Walther wrote: > You haven't lived in North America, have you. An 8 hour drive is easy. > I can't even get into the next province in 8 hours; it takes 16 hours. [...] Yeah, we've got cars like that too. Nick. (from Perth, Western Australia, "the most isolated city in the world" - http://www.google.com/search?q=%22most+isolated+city%22 ) -- Nick Bannon | "I made this letter longer than usual because [EMAIL PROTECTED] | I lack the time to make it shorter." - Pascal
Re: debconf 2005 in Vienna, Austria
Hi, Sven Luther wrote:
> But trains would be much more expensive, i think, than a common (full)
> bus.
Sure, if you compare everybody-pays-for-their-own-train-ticket with
everybody-pays-their-share-of-a-bus.
I expect the train fare to be somewhat more competitive if you get a group
ticket.
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Re: debconf 2005 in Vienna, Austria
#include * Martin Schulze [Thu, Jul 31 2003, 08:26:53AM]: > WhereverHeim... *lol* > > > Sunday evening : folks travel to Debcamp in Vienna, Austria > > Monday-Friday : Debcamp > > Saturday, Sunday : Debconf > > Sounds good. Now LinuxTag manages to be at the end of the uni semester > and Debcamp+-conf will be at the start of the lecture-less time, students > are able to attend. This worked for debconf (except for me *grumble*) This depends heavily on the university where you are, and on the exam system. If you are lucky and have relaxed one[1], you can afford to disappear for 4-5 days if you have the exams every two weeks or so. With the new (and braindead) exam systems, you have all exams in 1..2 weeks at the end of the term, so you do not have much spare time before, no time in-between, and not a single series of days after since you should to be there to the inspections which normally happens on some random day of the week. [1] "entspannte Uni oder sog. alte Prüfungsordnung" > this year. I'm mentioning this since I've heard from several students > that they hated us for not being able to attend LinuxTag since it's in > the middle of the exam-period at the end of the semester. Yep. Somewhen at the end of August or September would be much better, IMO. MfG, Eduard. -- Joey: nimm pipermail und du wirst ueber mhonarc froh sein weasel: pipermail, war das nicht dieser mailman schrott anhang? Ist das nicht in Python verbrochen? jup ARGS weasel boese weasel ganz boese Ab in die Ecke!
Re: Bug#203498: ITP: decss -- utility for stripping CSS tags from an HTML page.
On Thu, Jul 31, 2003, Tollef Fog Heen wrote: > | > sed -e > 's%\(]*rel="stylesheet"[^>]*>\|.*\|\(style\|class\|id\)="[^"]*"\)%%g' > > it doesn't handle
Re: debconf 2005 in Vienna, Austria
* Sven Luther ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [030731 11:20]: > On Thu, Jul 31, 2003 at 10:22:34AM +0200, Oliver Kurth wrote: > > There is also a direct night train, takes 9:30 hours. Just look at > > http://www.bahn.de. > But trains would be much more expensive, i think, than a common (full) > bus. Prices for groups in trains have remarkable dropped in the last years. But - nobody knows what 2005 will be, as the carrier Deutsche Bahn makes fundamental changes to their price system every half year. Well, there is no need to make a decission on the means of transportation now. Cheers, Andi -- http://home.arcor.de/andreas-barth/ PGP 1024/89FB5CE5 DC F1 85 6D A6 45 9C 0F 3B BE F1 D0 C5 D1 D9 0C
Re: debconf 2005 in Vienna, Austria
On Thu, Jul 31, 2003 at 10:44:26AM +0200, Sven Luther wrote: > On Thu, Jul 31, 2003 at 10:22:34AM +0200, Oliver Kurth wrote: > > On Thu, Jul 31, 2003 at 09:48:01AM +0200, Sven Luther wrote: > > > On Thu, Jul 31, 2003 at 02:29:06AM +0200, Bernd Eckenfels wrote: > > > > On Thu, Jul 31, 2003 at 02:12:08AM +0200, Amaya wrote: > > > > > Martin List-Petersen dijo: > > > > > > Something like that sounds sane. It gives even the possibility > > > > > > organising a "shuttle"-bus or something likewise from LinuxTag to > > > > > > Vienna > > > > > > > > > > That sound so appealing that I would even consider also attendig > > > > > LinuxTag :-) > > > > > > > > Keep in mind, this is 730km and will take up to 8-12h > > > > > > Nothing compared to the 1800 km from Karlsruhe to Oslo, And if there is > > > a bus, you could sleep or just rest, not needing to drive or something > > > such. > > > > There is also a direct night train, takes 9:30 hours. Just look at > > http://www.bahn.de. > > But trains would be much more expensive, i think, than a common (full) > bus. Probably yes. Of course it depends on your preference, and what you can afford. Traveling by train is much more relaxing, especially if you have a bed there. Sort of, at least. It was just a suggestion. Greetings, Oliver -- .''`. : :' :Oliver Kurth [EMAIL PROTECTED] `. `' Debian GNU/Linux maintainer - www.debian.org `- pgpwQkV11Enkr.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Bug#203498: ITP: decss -- utility for stripping CSS tags from an HTML page.
* Sam Hocevar | On Wed, Jul 30, 2003, Tollef Fog Heen wrote: | | > |And what is the point of confusing our users and cluttering the package/ | > | executable namespace with a useless program that could be replaced with | > | a sed one-liner? | > | > oh? what sed one-liner would that be? | |That trivial one, for instance: | | > sed -e 's%\(]*rel="stylesheet"[^>]*>\|.*\|\(style\|class\|id\)="[^"]*"\)%%g' it doesn't handle
Re: package name change (moviemate -> mediamate)
On Wed, 30 Jul 2003, Jamin W. Collins wrote: > I was thinking about the dummy package approach, but then the dummy > package would just hang around indefinitely, right? If you make the dummy package of extra priority and section: oldlibs, the package will be there only until the user runs deborphan to remove obsolete libraries.
Re: Bug#203498: ITP: decss -- utility for stripping CSS tags from an HTML page.
On Thu, Jul 31, 2003, Tollef Fog Heen wrote: > | I expect anyone with minor common sense and minor sed/ > | awk/perl/whatever practice to understand the triviality of that program. > > It's not possible to parse all valid SGML using regexes, iirc. And HTML makes it even harder since very few pages are valid, but that DeCSS utility uses only regexes anyway. -- Sam.
Re: Bug#203498: ITP: decss -- utility for stripping CSS tags from an HTML page.
On Wed, Jul 30, 2003, Tollef Fog Heen wrote: > |And what is the point of confusing our users and cluttering the package/ > | executable namespace with a useless program that could be replaced with > | a sed one-liner? > > oh? what sed one-liner would that be? That trivial one, for instance: > sed -e > 's%\(]*rel="stylesheet"[^>]*>\|.*\|\(style\|class\|id\)="[^"]*"\)%%g' It can be made better, of course. But honestly, the original DeCSS Perl version is an utter piece of crap, too. I now additionally object to the ITP on the grounds of poor software quality. For instance it fails to remove this construct: And it wrongly removes style="blah" in this one: Hello, this paragraph is about the famous style="blah" phrase! Without a correct HTML parser, such a DeCSS program cannot be reliable. Cheers, -- Sam.
Re: Bug#203498: ITP: decss -- utility for stripping CSS tags from an HTML page.
Sam Hocevar wrote: I object to this ITP. Not very strongly, but I still object. I think it's a wonderful idea to have a decss package in Debian. If Debian cannot distribute the decss that allows Debian users to view DVD movies (yet), then distributing this one is a good alternative, I'd say. This is really no different from the RIAA uploading broken MP3s to P2P networks so that users think they are real music. (Disclaimer: I am really not a music piracy advocate, but I strongly believe that such behaviour has the sole effect of confusing users) Although the RIAA might confusing P2P network users as a good thing. I would hope confusing debian users would be seen as a Bad Thing(tm) ;) -- Keith
Re: Bug#203498: ITP: decss -- utility for stripping CSS tags from an HTML page.
* Sam Hocevar | On Wed, Jul 30, 2003, Emile van Bergen wrote: | | > >And what is the point of confusing our users and cluttering the package/ | > > executable namespace with a useless program that could be replaced with | > > a sed one-liner? | > | > If it's so easy to type in, I'd have expected it in your response. | |Well, I expected someone to ask me this. But I fail to see how showing | off my l33t s3d sk1llz would strenghten my point. The only effect it will | have is people nitpicking at possible caveats for strange HTML syntax | examples, and forgetting the real point which is: that decss program is | utterly useless. I expect anyone with minor common sense and minor sed/ | awk/perl/whatever practice to understand the triviality of that program. It's not possible to parse all valid SGML using regexes, iirc. -- Tollef Fog Heen,''`. UNIX is user friendly, it's just picky about who its friends are : :' : `. `' `-
Re: debconf 2005 in Vienna, Austria
On Thu, Jul 31, 2003 at 10:22:34AM +0200, Oliver Kurth wrote: > On Thu, Jul 31, 2003 at 09:48:01AM +0200, Sven Luther wrote: > > On Thu, Jul 31, 2003 at 02:29:06AM +0200, Bernd Eckenfels wrote: > > > On Thu, Jul 31, 2003 at 02:12:08AM +0200, Amaya wrote: > > > > Martin List-Petersen dijo: > > > > > Something like that sounds sane. It gives even the possibility > > > > > organising a "shuttle"-bus or something likewise from LinuxTag to > > > > > Vienna > > > > > > > > That sound so appealing that I would even consider also attendig > > > > LinuxTag :-) > > > > > > Keep in mind, this is 730km and will take up to 8-12h > > > > Nothing compared to the 1800 km from Karlsruhe to Oslo, And if there is > > a bus, you could sleep or just rest, not needing to drive or something > > such. > > There is also a direct night train, takes 9:30 hours. Just look at > http://www.bahn.de. But trains would be much more expensive, i think, than a common (full) bus. Friendly, Sven Luther
Re: Bug#203498: ITP: decss -- utility for stripping CSS tags from an HTML page.
On Wed, Jul 30, 2003, Emile van Bergen wrote: > >And what is the point of confusing our users and cluttering the package/ > > executable namespace with a useless program that could be replaced with > > a sed one-liner? > > If it's so easy to type in, I'd have expected it in your response. Well, I expected someone to ask me this. But I fail to see how showing off my l33t s3d sk1llz would strenghten my point. The only effect it will have is people nitpicking at possible caveats for strange HTML syntax examples, and forgetting the real point which is: that decss program is utterly useless. I expect anyone with minor common sense and minor sed/ awk/perl/whatever practice to understand the triviality of that program. > >I object to this ITP. Not very strongly, but I still object. > > I think it's a wonderful idea to have a decss package in Debian. If > Debian cannot distribute the decss that allows Debian users to view DVD > movies (yet), then distributing this one is a good alternative, I'd say. This is really no different from the RIAA uploading broken MP3s to P2P networks so that users think they are real music. (Disclaimer: I am really not a music piracy advocate, but I strongly believe that such behaviour has the sole effect of confusing users) If the DVD decss cannot be distributed and someone wants to fight this, the solution is to distribute it anyway until it becomes so widespread that no one can make it disappear. Regards, -- Sam.
Re: debconf 2005 in Vienna, Austria
On Thu, Jul 31, 2003 at 09:48:01AM +0200, Sven Luther wrote: > On Thu, Jul 31, 2003 at 02:29:06AM +0200, Bernd Eckenfels wrote: > > On Thu, Jul 31, 2003 at 02:12:08AM +0200, Amaya wrote: > > > Martin List-Petersen dijo: > > > > Something like that sounds sane. It gives even the possibility > > > > organising a "shuttle"-bus or something likewise from LinuxTag to > > > > Vienna > > > > > > That sound so appealing that I would even consider also attendig > > > LinuxTag :-) > > > > Keep in mind, this is 730km and will take up to 8-12h > > Nothing compared to the 1800 km from Karlsruhe to Oslo, And if there is > a bus, you could sleep or just rest, not needing to drive or something > such. There is also a direct night train, takes 9:30 hours. Just look at http://www.bahn.de. > > Wien is not exactly close to western europe. > > But not all that far also. Pretty close, I'd say, writing from near Munich... Greetings, Oliver -- .''`. : :' :Oliver Kurth [EMAIL PROTECTED] `. `' Debian GNU/Linux maintainer - www.debian.org `- pgpQVwAmo7ayb.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: debconf 2005 in Vienna, Austria
On Thu, Jul 31, 2003 at 06:29:27AM +0200, Fabio Massimo Di Nitto wrote: > > > > Some of us do not want/cannot go to linuxtag, but we could be in vienna > > already friday evening or saturday morning. > > Please no. Do not schedule overlapping events. People interested in both > than will be in troubles. I fail to see the problem. The first days were rather relaxed, on the "this is not working, can anyone please do something? no? ok, i will do it..." kind of way. Getting lost all together instead in small lots is baaad. I believe is was a better experience this way. data -- Jesus Climent | Unix SysAdm | Helsinki, Finland | pumuki.hispalinux.es GPG: 1024D/86946D69 BB64 2339 1CAA 7064 E429 7E18 66FC 1D7F 8694 6D69 -- Registered Linux user #66350 proudly using Debian Sid & Linux 2.4.21 Yes...No...I don't know. I don't know what I want. --Sam Lowry (Brazil)
Re: debconf 2005 in Vienna, Austria
On Thu, Jul 31, 2003 at 10:18:34AM +0200, Tollef Fog Heen wrote: > * Sven Luther > > It was very nice to have a few guinea pigs to test the organization > with at this year's Debcamp, since making changes when you have a few > people is a lot less work than making changes with 50-60 people. This being the first time someone calls me a guinea pig. Cheers! -- Jesus Climent | Unix SysAdm | Helsinki, Finland | pumuki.hispalinux.es GPG: 1024D/86946D69 BB64 2339 1CAA 7064 E429 7E18 66FC 1D7F 8694 6D69 -- Registered Linux user #66350 proudly using Debian Sid & Linux 2.4.21 It's a soldier's duty. You wouldn't understand. --The Colonel (Akira)
Re: package name change (moviemate -> mediamate)
On Wed, Jul 30, 2003 at 08:47:53PM -0600, Jamin W. Collins wrote: > I was thinking about the dummy package approach, but then the dummy > package would just hang around indefinitely, right? If the new package replaces all files in the dummy package, dpkg removes it automatically. But cf. #202997. I ended up with a dummy package only containing a symlink in /usr/share/doc from to , and stuffing that into the new package as well. Regards, Daniel.
Re: package name change (moviemate -> mediamate)
Hi, Jamin W. Collins wrote:
> The old DB works fine after the upgrade against it. The questions are.
> Whether removing the configuration files (/etc/moviemate) is a taboo,
> even though the configuration is migrated (/etc/mediamate).
Leave it there. What if the user wants to downgrade?
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Re: debconf 2005 in Vienna, Austria
On Thu, Jul 31, 2003 at 02:29:06AM +0200, Bernd Eckenfels wrote: > On Thu, Jul 31, 2003 at 02:12:08AM +0200, Amaya wrote: > > Martin List-Petersen dijo: > > > Something like that sounds sane. It gives even the possibility > > > organising a "shuttle"-bus or something likewise from LinuxTag to > > > Vienna > > > > That sound so appealing that I would even consider also attendig > > LinuxTag :-) > > Keep in mind, this is 730km and will take up to 8-12h Nothing compared to the 1800 km from Karlsruhe to Oslo, And if there is a bus, you could sleep or just rest, not needing to drive or something such. > Wien is not exactly close to western europe. But not all that far also. Friendly, Sven Luther
Re: debconf 2005 in Vienna, Austria
Quoting Josip Rodin ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): > Please, let's decide based on facts rather than some hopelessly obsolete > sympathy for the so-called Eastern Europe(TM). Loooks like I've hit some sensitive point here, which I'm really sorry for. I probably shouldn't have specifically mentioned so-called "eastern" countries, which are eastern only in my point of view, certainly.. :-) Please accept my apologies for this. Anyway, debconf in Vienna is definitely a good idea, which is the most important point... :-)
Re: debconf 2005 in Vienna, Austria
* Sven Luther [...] | What is the problem with that ? This is exactly the way the | debcamp/debconf in Oslo was scheduled. Debcamp is a somewhat informal | thing, and it is no problem that some people already get there on friday | evening, those that don't want/cant/wahetver attend LinuxTag. I guess | this is also nice to 'test' the organisation at first with a few people | to be able to easier solve the few remaining problems or such, before | everyone is there. It was very nice to have a few guinea pigs to test the organization with at this year's Debcamp, since making changes when you have a few people is a lot less work than making changes with 50-60 people. -- Tollef Fog Heen,''`. UNIX is user friendly, it's just picky about who its friends are : :' : `. `' `-
Re: Bug#203498: ITP: decss -- utility for stripping CSS tags from an HTML page.
Emile van Bergen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > As soon as we can package the real thing, we should probably rename the > HTML/CSS decss as decss-html and release the real decss using a new > epoch. Whit even more confusion to our users for a weak political statement whit no real relation to the project. Read the Social Contract and stop makin political statements unrelated to free software as such which hurts our users. How the entertainment industry manages to handle their copyright has nothing to do with free software. -- Peter Makholm | Ladies and gentlemen, take my advice, pull down your [EMAIL PROTECTED] |pants and slide on the ice http://hacking.dk |-- Sidney Freedman
Re: Bug#203498: ITP: decss -- utility for stripping CSS tags from an HTML page.
On Thu, Jul 31, 2003 at 09:03:00AM +0200, Emile van Bergen wrote: > As soon as we can package the real thing, we should probably rename the > HTML/CSS decss as decss-html and release the real decss using a new > epoch. No need, the real decss will probably be a library or something such. Friendly, Sven Luther
Re: debconf 2005 in Vienna, Austria
On Thu, Jul 31, 2003 at 06:29:27AM +0200, Fabio Massimo Di Nitto wrote: > On Wed, 30 Jul 2003, Jesus Climent wrote: > > > On Wed, Jul 30, 2003 at 09:22:57AM +0200, Christian Perrier wrote: > > > Quoting Karsten Merker ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): > > > > > > Anyway, that could give the following schedule : > > > > > > Thursday-Sunday : LinuxTag at WhereverHeim, Germany > > > Sunday evening : folks travel to Debcamp in Vienna, Austria > > > Monday-Friday : Debcamp > > > Saturday, Sunday : Debconf > > > > What about > > debcamp : saturday -> thursday > > debconf : friday -> sunday morning > > ? > > > > Some of us do not want/cannot go to linuxtag, but we could be in vienna > > already friday evening or saturday morning. > > Please no. Do not schedule overlapping events. People interested in both > than will be in troubles. What is the problem with that ? This is exactly the way the debcamp/debconf in Oslo was scheduled. Debcamp is a somewhat informal thing, and it is no problem that some people already get there on friday evening, those that don't want/cant/wahetver attend LinuxTag. I guess this is also nice to 'test' the organisation at first with a few people to be able to easier solve the few remaining problems or such, before everyone is there. It is funny to see people propose schedules and dates, while totally ignoring what happened this year. Friendly, Sven Luther
Re: Bug#203498: ITP: decss -- utility for stripping CSS tags from an HTML page.
Hi, On Wed, Jul 30, 2003 at 12:01:29PM -0500, Steve Langasek wrote: > On Wed, Jul 30, 2003 at 12:48:55PM -0400, Jim Penny wrote: > > On Wed, 30 Jul 2003 11:38:12 -0500 > > Steve Langasek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > On Wed, Jul 30, 2003 at 05:56:32PM +0200, Emile van Bergen wrote: > > > > > > > >I object to this ITP. Not very strongly, but I still object. > > > > > > > I think it's a wonderful idea to have a decss package in Debian. If > > > > Debian cannot distribute the decss that allows Debian users to view > > > > DVD movies (yet), then distributing this one is a good alternative, > > > > I'd say. > > > > You're clearly quite mad. Regardless of whether this script is > > > trivial to implement, it's not something anyone should be encouraged > > > to actually*use*. CSS is the *best* feature of the HTML4 standard. > > > Why would anyone in their right mind wish to strip nearly all the > > > logical structure markup out of a document? > > > Uhh, it is to tweak the international copyright cartel, and the RIAA in > > particular. They have written "cease and desist" letters to anyone who > > has a file names deCSS on their system. This is an attempt to make such > > a filename so common that these letters are pointless, and possibly > > evidence of illegal activity. > > If the intent is *only* as a political tool, I would agree that this > decss program achieves its aims fairly effectively; but it is in no way > a useful piece of *software*, which is what Emile seems to be arguing by > disagreeing that it's trivial to implement. The question then is > whether we want to include programs in Debian which are useful only as > something other than software. I'm not arguing that it isn't almost trivial, I'm arguing that it's non-trivial enough to put in a shell script (at least I would if I'd be performing the operation regularly). Whether it deserves a Debian package has little to do with that, of course. It's much more useful as a political tool if it is at least somewhat useful as a software tool. A file containing some output of /dev/random called decss would be less effective. I see packaging as a good protest that we cannot package the real decss, which would definitely be a candidate for a debian package, as it is required to watch DVDs using DFSG-free software. As soon as we can package the real thing, we should probably rename the HTML/CSS decss as decss-html and release the real decss using a new epoch. The principle is horrible, but in this case I think the confusion would be minimal. Cheers, Emile. -- E-Advies - Emile van Bergen [EMAIL PROTECTED] tel. +31 (0)70 3906153 http://www.e-advies.nl
Re: package name change (moviemate -> mediamate)
This one time, at band camp, Sean 'Shaleh' Perry wrote: >you should Conflict, Replace, and provide MovieMate. This will ensure a >smooth transition. You instead (may) want to upload a package called >moviemate which is a dummy package that depends on MediaMate. You should do both, with the Conflict/Replace versioned to match all versions earlier than this one, for the smoothest transition. Take it from someone who suffered various forms of dependency bugs by trying the minimum amount of effort required to properly change package names. See the glut source package control file for more details. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://people.debian.org/~jaq
Re: debconf 2005 in Vienna, Austria
Gerfried Fuchs wrote: > Yes, that's what I thought about initially, too. Joey? When does > LT 2k5 happen to be? ,) If I only knew... Pester me when you need to know the date. It's not yet decided but several dates are under discussion already. Regards, Joey -- In the beginning was the word, and the word was content-type: text/plain Please always Cc to me when replying to me on the lists.
Re: debconf 2005 in Vienna, Austria
Christian Perrier wrote: > > > But close to it would be a good idea also. Dunno whether LinuxTag > > > happens on a week-end or during the week, but it would be ideal to > > > have Debconf one week after LinuxTag (so that people attending LT > > > could come at DebCamp in the between). > > > > LinuxTag is usually from Thursday to Sunday. > > I thought it was 1 day long.. :-) That was *looong* ago, maybe 97 or 98 or so. Even in 99 it was already a two days event and has grown since. For several people it's already a LinuxWeek. :) > Anyway, that could give the following schedule : > > Thursday-Sunday : LinuxTag at WhereverHeim, Germany WhereverHeim... *lol* > Sunday evening : folks travel to Debcamp in Vienna, Austria > Monday-Friday : Debcamp > Saturday, Sunday : Debconf Sounds good. Now LinuxTag manages to be at the end of the uni semester and Debcamp+-conf will be at the start of the lecture-less time, students are able to attend. This worked for debconf (except for me *grumble*) this year. I'm mentioning this since I've heard from several students that they hated us for not being able to attend LinuxTag since it's in the middle of the exam-period at the end of the semester. Regards, Joey -- In the beginning was the word, and the word was content-type: text/plain Please always Cc to me when replying to me on the lists.
Re: debconf 2005 in Vienna, Austria
Regards, Martin List-Petersen martin at list-petersen dot dk -- The surest protection against temptation is cowardice. -- Mark Twain Citat Jonathan Walther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > On Thu, Jul 31, 2003 at 02:29:06AM +0200, Bernd Eckenfels wrote: > >> That sound so appealing that I would even consider also attendig > >> LinuxTag :-) > > > >Keep in mind, this is 730km and will take up to 8-12h > > > >Wien is not exactly close to western europe. > > You haven't lived in North America, have you. An 8 hour drive is easy. > I can't even get into the next province in 8 hours; it takes 16 hours. > > 4 hours to get somewhere is just an enjoyable Sunday drive. Actually the bustour from Stockholm to Copenhagen is 8 hours and it is cheaper than any low price airline (38 EUR, if you are max. 25, it's actually 31 EUR). It's about 670 km. I know of no low cost airline that can match the distance at that price, if you include the costs that regularly are to get to and from the airport, taxes etc. Also there is the stress of getting there in time, check-in, you'll have to buy your own food onboard low cost arlines and so on. All that could be taken care of by arranging some common transportation. Regards, Martin List-Petersen
Re: debconf 2005 in Vienna, Austria
On Thu, Jul 31, 2003 at 02:29:06AM +0200, Bernd Eckenfels wrote: That sound so appealing that I would even consider also attendig LinuxTag :-) Keep in mind, this is 730km and will take up to 8-12h Wien is not exactly close to western europe. You haven't lived in North America, have you. An 8 hour drive is easy. I can't even get into the next province in 8 hours; it takes 16 hours. 4 hours to get somewhere is just an enjoyable Sunday drive. Jonathan -- It's not true unless it makes you laugh, but you don't understand it until it makes you weep. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Geek House Productions, Ltd. Providing Unix & Internet Contracting and Consulting, QA Testing, Technical Documentation, Systems Design & Implementation, General Programming, E-commerce, Web & Mail Services since 1998 Phone: 604-435-1205 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Webpage: http://reactor-core.org Address: 2459 E 41st Ave, Vancouver, BC V5R2W2 pgpD4i6sTNfPR.pgp Description: PGP signature
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