Re: Bug#365010: Xserver G5 usb keyboard not loaded ...

[Sven Luther]

On Fri, Apr 28, 2006 at 03:21:12PM -0700, Steve Langasek wrote:
> On Fri, Apr 28, 2006 at 12:40:48AM +0200, Sven Luther wrote:
> > On Thu, Apr 27, 2006 at 03:34:30PM -0700, Steve Langasek wrote:
> > > On Thu, Apr 27, 2006 at 10:46:24PM +0200, Sven Luther wrote:
> > > > The maintainer is held responsible (and frans and joeyh have not 
> > > > stepped down
> > > > from reminding me of this in the past) of the build failure, while a
> > > > contributor is free commit fixes, without necessarily being the one to 
> > > > blame
> > > > for every problem of the port.
> 
> > > And whereas when the alpha daily builds are broken and require build env
> > > updates to get them working again I simply fix them at my earliest
> > > opportunity, you invariably used this as an excuse to accuse the rest of 
> > > the
> 
> > I don't remember it such, i remember frans accusing me of negligence and
> > misconduct because i did give a (maybe a bit uninformed) advice to a powerpc
> > user. 
> 
> You had quite strong words for Frans, accusing him (and other d-i folk) of
> breaking your daily builds.  They didn't do anything of the sort; *I* broke
> the daily builds, because there was a libnewt soname bump and udebs needed
> to be rebuilt against the new soname, which broke the daily builds until
> libnewt0.52 was installed in the build env because this was before we had
> support for udeb shlibs.  That didn't stop you from accusing Frans of first
> breaking the build and then picking on you.

I didn't accuse Frans, i did accuse the d-i folk in general. English has this
poor feature of not distinguishing between the polite you, the singular you
and the plural you, maybe we should switch to a more advanced language instead
:)

Now, putting things in context, some user complained about brokeness on
debian-powerpc. I know that appart from me, nobody is reading debian-powerpc
from the d-i team, so i told Shaymal that he should post on debian-boot
instead, or better file a bug report directly, since i was hardly available to
do real work, and to do the bridge between debian-powerpc and d-i at that
time. I was away in el salvador at the time, my mother had just passed a
severe respipratory crisis a few hours before, and i had gone to read
debian-powerpc in order to change my mind a bit, and being me, i could not
help trying to be helpful to users, even though i didn't really take the time
to investigate fully, and may have made a mistake, but given my situation, you
have to admit that this is understandable, no ?

As a result, i got an immediate response from Frans, not only telling me i was
wrong, and that the i failed miserably to keep the daily builds going, but
also adding that little bashing paragraph, the kind that frans has been giving
to me with various degrees of subtletly since over 8 month now or so, and
which yourself agreed yesterday was not correct.

Given this, two things happened. I wrote Frans a personal mail asking him for
comprehension, and kind of explaining my personal situation, which i don't
really feel he has acted upon, and second i was pretty much feedup that even
in the situation i found myself, there was nobody who would take care of
either fixing this issue, or at least inform the users that it was a known
problem, that i was currently unavailable for severe personal reasons, and it
would be fixed soon.

Seeing things in that light, and given of what Frans did know at that time, is
there still any doubt left that the removal of my commit access was nothing
more that an unfeeling attempt to get ride of me, and that the resignation
letter is nothing but an excuse ? I was also told a bit before this events (on
irc and i saddly don't kep logs) that some people didn't really want (after
the expulsion event) for me to make the effort to come back to debian, and
would be happy to be ride of me. I wasn't told who those people are, but given
these events, one can guess.

Now, the critic i have is of another kind, and one i have done repeteadly in
the past, and for which the d-i team had marked me as someone to bash at will.

The problem here is very speaking, As you say, something happened, so the
build broke. The build breaking is listed on joeyh's web page, but depending
on folk, browsing a web page daily is a poor substitute for email
notification, and i guess we all agree on this, or we would be using bugzilla
over our BTS :). So, it broke, some folk noticed this, and fixed their daily
builds (joeyh or whoever maintains the x86 daily build among them), but nobody
informed the other daily build maintainers, so each one would have to discover
the issue alone, investigate the problem and do the fix. This i believe is not
efficient, and i said so, and something which is mirrored in the way the
kernel .udebs are handled, and i have said so in the past, tried to start a
discussion to get more efficiency into this, and proposed some possible
solutions. At the same time, Joey was repeteadly blaming the lazy porters for

Re: gpg

[Tamas SZERB]

all replies tries to tell me that I'm intend to crack the GPG. Believe
me, If I could do it, I would not use it anymore since it's not safe
enough.

Anyway, at least, I resolved the upgrade from 1024 to more bits, but I
loose my signatures unfortunately. :(

So I would be more curious what could be the standard way to resolve
this issue asap.
1) revokaction
2) new sigs from other DDs,
3) push my key to the server: is any official server now, to get into
the debian keyrings package?

Thanks,

On 4/28/06, Tamas SZERB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Hey Guys, could you CC-me if you continue the thread,

Could you tell me what to do if it seems I just forgot my passphrase
for my GPG key, and it blocks me to upload/fix my outstanding bugs on
different packages?

Thanks,

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Re: gpg

[Aníbal Monsalve Salazar]

On Sat, Apr 29, 2006 at 09:14:12AM +0200, Tamas SZERB wrote:
>So I would be more curious what could be the standard way to resolve
>this issue asap.

Please read http://keyring.debian.org/replacing_keys.html

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Is -D_REENTRANT still important?

[Russ Allbery]

There is a very long-standing wishlist bug against lintian (#47776) asking
that lintian check to be sure shared libraries are built with
-D_REENTRANT.  Policy 10.2 indeed says:

You must specify the gcc option -D_REENTRANT when building a library
(either static or shared) to make the library compatible with
LinuxThreads.

However, that LinuxThreads bit has smelled possibly obsolete for a while,
and the lintian bug report indicates that this check is mostly about errno
vs. __errno_location, a transition that I believe was fully completed many
moons ago.

Looking over the headers on my system, the only thing that appears to be
controlled by -D_REENTRANT at this point is whether getlogin_r is
prototyped by , something that may well be important for some
programs but which would show up as traditional compiler warnings.

Is this flag still important when building shared libraries?  Perhaps on
architectures other than x86?  Or is this historical cruft from long-ago
completed transitions that should now go away?

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Re: O: Gnus -- A versatile News and mailing list reader for Emacsen.

[Marc Haber]

On Tue, 25 Apr 2006 18:20:32 +0200, "Bernhard R. Link"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>For me a changed .orig.tar.gz means I no longer can easily verify what
>exactly is changed. So I have to not only to download the original
>upstream version and unpack it and make sure the files do not differ,
>I have effectively two diffs to look at, while one of them I even have
>to create on my own.
>I prefer something makeing it clear what upstream and what Debian
>changes are.

Agreed. An accepted way to do this is to ship a shell script with the
Debian source package which operates on an pristine upstream tarball
obtained from upstream and delivers the Debian .orig.tar.gz for
comparision with what's in the archive.

Greetings
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Re: Trouble with some X applications.

[Klaus Ethgen]

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Hi Brian,

Am Fr den 28. Apr 2006 um 23:28 schrieb Brian M. Carlson:
> Don't ask here.  Ask on debian-user (or debian-user-german, if it
> exists), as this is where the question belongs.  The people there can
> help you with some tricks to determine what specifically is not working,
> and why.

Hmm.. I do not think that this is a normal user question. It happens on
sid and sid is definitively develop. Also it is no question about if
that is a bug than which package is triggering the bug.

This list is exactely for that porpouse and not only for holy fights as
often found.

> Good luck using a 2.4 kernel.  I understand that after etch, glibc 2.4
> will be uploaded.  IIRC, glibc 2.4 removes support for LinuxThreads, so
> only NPTL (which requires Linux 2.6) will work.  Make the upgrade now,
> and save yourself a lot of headaches (of which this might be one).

That whould be a catastrope. As 2.6 is miles from stable a 2.6 kernel is
no kernel for stable servers. (Well, my system with sid is not in this
position but I have several servers which have to be stable.) Kernel 2.6
has several problemes which trigger problemes. Beginnig with the futex
implementation and ending with the "not whant" of the kernel developper
to fix bugs in that tree.

By the way, your link is not of use. Sorry about. Please do not answere
the question with that the questions are under your niveau. I can
forbear for such answers.

Regards
   Klaus Ethgen

Ps. And yes, english is not my native language and I might do some
errors in my texts.
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Re: Trouble with some X applications.

[Andrew Donnellan]

On 4/29/06, Klaus Ethgen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

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Hi Brian,

Am Fr den 28. Apr 2006 um 23:28 schrieb Brian M. Carlson:
> Don't ask here.  Ask on debian-user (or debian-user-german, if it
> exists), as this is where the question belongs.  The people there can
> help you with some tricks to determine what specifically is not working,
> and why.

Hmm.. I do not think that this is a normal user question. It happens on
sid and sid is definitively develop. Also it is no question about if
that is a bug than which package is triggering the bug.


No, d-devel is not for user questions, even if those questions are
about sid. Many people use sid and they are users, not developers.



This list is exactely for that porpouse and not only for holy fights as
often found.

> Good luck using a 2.4 kernel.  I understand that after etch, glibc 2.4
> will be uploaded.  IIRC, glibc 2.4 removes support for LinuxThreads, so
> only NPTL (which requires Linux 2.6) will work.  Make the upgrade now,
> and save yourself a lot of headaches (of which this might be one).

That whould be a catastrope. As 2.6 is miles from stable a 2.6 kernel is
no kernel for stable servers. (Well, my system with sid is not in this


Not stable?!?! It's been around for several years now. Please ask on -user.

andrew


position but I have several servers which have to be stable.) Kernel 2.6
has several problemes which trigger problemes. Beginnig with the futex
implementation and ending with the "not whant" of the kernel developper
to fix bugs in that tree.

By the way, your link is not of use. Sorry about. Please do not answere
the question with that the questions are under your niveau. I can
forbear for such answers.

Regards
   Klaus Ethgen

Ps. And yes, english is not my native language and I might do some
errors in my texts.
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Re: Trouble with some X applications.

[Klaus Ethgen]

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Am Sa den 29. Apr 2006 um 12:08 schrieb Andrew Donnellan:
> >That whould be a catastrope. As 2.6 is miles from stable a 2.6 kernel is
> >no kernel for stable servers. (Well, my system with sid is not in this
> 
> Not stable?!?! It's been around for several years now. Please ask on -user.

Its not a question. Its a fact!

Gruß
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Re: Apache 2 maintenance status?

[Daniel Stone]

On Thu, Apr 27, 2006 at 05:58:58PM +0200, Olaf van der Spek wrote:
> On 10/29/05, Olaf van der Spek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Hi.
> >
> > Does anyone know the Apache2 maintenance status?
> > Lots of bug reports appear to be 'ignored'.
> >
> > Examples are:
> > http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=267477
> > http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=288615
> > http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=289868
> 
> Does anyone have any updates on this?
> It appears not much has changed in the past six days.
> 
> I heard that Apache 2.2 is about to be uploaded, but I've no idea
> which bugs that fixes.

Given that 2.2 packages are about to be uploaded (no mean feat: tons
changed between 2.0 and 2.2), I'm going to go out on a limb and say that
it's being maintained in this point in time.

I only looked at the first bug you quoted, but you have conversed with
the current active maintainers on that bug, and it's not a
groundbreaking omgwtf-everything-is-broken bug.  It's wishlist.


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Re: Bug#365010: Xserver G5 usb keyboard not loaded ...

[Daniel Stone]

On Thu, Apr 27, 2006 at 08:28:11PM +0200, Sven Luther wrote:
> Notice also that both you and Colin Watson, where donated pegasos machines,
> (and guess who arranged that), so the unavailability of a decent build machine
> is no excuse.

I can't speak for the other guys, but I have a Pegasos machine (sitting
under my desk at the moment, actually), sent to me by yourself.  You
offered it to me when I told you that I had no powerpc machines, and
thus couldn't test X with PowerPC.  I made it very, very clear to you
that I could not guarantee that the machine would ever get turned on,
let alone used productively.  Repeatedly.  You said that was fine.

However, you then got upset when Pegasos support lapsed, and ripped into
me for not doing enough to fix it, given that you sent me an ODW.  So, I
can't help but think, maybe this is another case where people explicitly
told you that they couldn't ensure the machine was used productively,
but you still got upset when it wasn't?


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Bug#365344: ITP: kalign -- Global and progressive multiple sequence alignment

[Charles Plessy]

Package: wnpp
Severity: wishlist
Owner: Charles Plessy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>


  Package name: kalign
  Version : 1.04
  Upstream Author : Timo Lassmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
  URL : http://msa.cgb.ki.se/downloads/kalign-1.04.tgz
  License : GPL
  Description : Global and progressive multiple sequence alignment

  Kalign is a command line tool to perform multiple alignment of
  biological sequences. It employs the Wu-Manber string-matching
  algorithm, to improve both the accuracy and speed of the alignment.
  It uses global, progressive alignment approach, enriched by employing
  an approximate string-matching algorithm to calculate sequence
  distances and by incorporating local matches into the otherwise global
  alignment. In comparisons made by its authors, Kalign was about 10
  times faster than ClustalW and, depending on the alignment size, up to
  50 times faster than popular iterative methods. It has been published
  in Lassmann and Sonnhammer, BMC Bioinformatics 2005, 6:298.
.
  Homepage: http://msa.cgb.ki.se


-- System Information:
Debian Release: testing/unstable
  APT prefers testing
  APT policy: (500, 'testing')
Architecture: powerpc (ppc64)
Shell:  /bin/sh linked to /bin/bash
Kernel: Linux 2.6.16farm
Locale: LANG=fr_FR.UTF-8, LC_CTYPE=fr_FR.UTF-8 (charmap=UTF-8)


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Re: Possible conflict with XFree 4.5

[Daniel Stone]

On Wed, Apr 26, 2006 at 02:51:08AM +0200, Adam Borowski wrote:
> On Mon, 24 Apr 2006, Gunnar Wolf wrote:
> >- So the answer is right, why would you want to use XFree now?
> I guess, he has unsupported hardware, ugly proprietary drivers, etc.

I don't know of any hardware supported by XFree86 4.5 that X.Org 6.9/7.0
doesn't support.


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Re: fonts prbl in sid

[Daniel Stone]

On Mon, Apr 24, 2006 at 11:22:42AM +0200, A Mennucc wrote:
> I use sid and Gnome ; I upgraded my box (after 3 weeks in which I did 
> not have time to) ; now I have serious problems with fonts.
> 
> Symptoms: some programs fail to find and use the fonts ,and are then
> almost unusable ; including 'emacs-snapshot-gtk' 'display' 'xmms'
> ('xmms' is missing fonts for the menus but not for the main display);
> 'gpr' 'gnomecal' .

Sounds like the libfontenc issue.  Try rebuilding it with
\$${datadir}/fonts/X11, instead of \$${datadir}/X11/fonts, in
debian/rules.


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Debian BTS down ?

[Yves-Alexis Perez]

This morning I reported two bugs (using reportbug), which have not been
acknowledged by BTS. Now I've just received an update on a bug which was
CC:'ed to my personal email. I've answered, but http//bugs.debian.org
has not been updated and the update wasn't ack'ed either.

Is there a maintenance running or something that could prevent BTS to
work ?

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Re: Bug#365010: Xserver G5 usb keyboard not loaded ...

[Sven Luther]

On Fri, Apr 28, 2006 at 03:58:17AM +0300, Daniel Stone wrote:
> On Thu, Apr 27, 2006 at 08:28:11PM +0200, Sven Luther wrote:
> > Notice also that both you and Colin Watson, where donated pegasos machines,
> > (and guess who arranged that), so the unavailability of a decent build 
> > machine
> > is no excuse.
> 
> I can't speak for the other guys, but I have a Pegasos machine (sitting
> under my desk at the moment, actually), sent to me by yourself.  You
> offered it to me when I told you that I had no powerpc machines, and
> thus couldn't test X with PowerPC.  I made it very, very clear to you
> that I could not guarantee that the machine would ever get turned on,
> let alone used productively.  Repeatedly.  You said that was fine.

Indeed. 

> However, you then got upset when Pegasos support lapsed, and ripped into
> me for not doing enough to fix it, given that you sent me an ODW.  So, I

Notice that first, this was an ubuntu matter, and i got upset, not because you
didn't get the pegasos/X support fixed in a timely way, but because my patches
sent to the ubuntu BTS where coldly received, and even ignored until i pushed
some.

> can't help but think, maybe this is another case where people explicitly
> told you that they couldn't ensure the machine was used productively,
> but you still got upset when it wasn't?

Joey Hess received a machine in order to do daily d-i powerpc tests. This was
the exact wording, and it was an additional machine outside of the first
donation. I know since then that his machine broke, for whatever reason, some
time ago, but he never informed me of this (we would have replaced it), and i
only knew about this in Helsinki, and if he would have told me about this a
week before, i would have swapped it out. The 4 machines i had in Heslinki for
debconf admin purpose where all donated to to debian or skolelinux purpose,
except the one where i burned the power supply, and supposedly the debconf
assurance would have covered.

So, with all that said, do you still believe it is normal that a perfectly
running daily build was rejected in maybe a few minutes/hours after i sent
that email, while i had offered to continue running it until a proper
replacement was found, and some unstable solution has been used ever since,
which doesn't even include to this day the miboot support ? 

Friendly,

Sven Luther




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Re: Bug#365010: Xserver G5 usb keyboard not loaded ...

[Daniel Stone]

On Sat, Apr 29, 2006 at 04:13:10PM +0200, Sven Luther wrote:
> So, with all that said, do you still believe it is normal that a perfectly
> running daily build was rejected in maybe a few minutes/hours after i sent
> that email, while i had offered to continue running it until a proper
> replacement was found, and some unstable solution has been used ever since,
> which doesn't even include to this day the miboot support ? 

If you're going to attempt to drag other people into your petty personal
tiffs, you might as well at least try to rope in people who are
sympathetic to your cause.


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Re: Bug#365010: Xserver G5 usb keyboard not loaded ...

[Sven Luther]

On Sat, Apr 29, 2006 at 05:26:38PM +0300, Daniel Stone wrote:
> On Sat, Apr 29, 2006 at 04:13:10PM +0200, Sven Luther wrote:
> > So, with all that said, do you still believe it is normal that a perfectly
> > running daily build was rejected in maybe a few minutes/hours after i sent
> > that email, while i had offered to continue running it until a proper
> > replacement was found, and some unstable solution has been used ever since,
> > which doesn't even include to this day the miboot support ? 
> 
> If you're going to attempt to drag other people into your petty personal
> tiffs, you might as well at least try to rope in people who are
> sympathetic to your cause.

Please tell me then, what interest is your post to the issue at hand ? Or does
this mean, that whatever i say, you would still be against me, because you are
'unsympathetic to my cause' ? 

I also don't see you aknowledging the correction on the misleading information
you mentioned in your first post.

Friendly,

Sven Luther


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Re: Guidelines for packaging projects on Alioth

[Wouter Verhelst]

On Thu, Apr 27, 2006 at 09:56:06AM -0400, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote:
> On Thu, Apr 27, 2006 at 03:43:47AM +0200, Wouter Verhelst wrote:
> > That's because sometimes it takes that long to find out whether the
> > failure is really the maintainer's problem rather than the buildd
> > admin's.
> 
> Ok, so it is not true that they can be distinguished automatically from
> failures which are not maintainer's problem.

If that were the case, we wouldn't need buildd maintainers.

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Re: Possible conflict with XFree 4.5

[gustavo halperin]

Gunnar Wolf wrote:

  gustavo halperin dijo [Sun, Apr 16, 2006 at 01:40:42PM +0300]:
  
  

  
I think that we have a problem when the common library between XFree and 
/usr/lib are update in /usr/lib.
I currently have XFree  4.5, when the library libfontconfig1 was update 
to version 2.3.2-1 was also updated
the file  libfontconfig.so to the version 1.0.4 but in the XFree 
(/usr/X11R6/lib/) this library still be the version 1.
The problem came we we use programs like Gimp that must at least version 
1.0.2  of this library. I solve this
problem by link the libfontconfig in /usr/X11R6/lib to the newest 
library in /usr/lib. That is the solution or that
is a Bug in Debian System ??

  
  I assume that you're installing XFree86 4.5 by yourself, since it wasn't
packaged for Debian.  In that case, local installation conflicts are
your problem to sort out.
  

I see,  you are absolutely right.  Thank you for you explanation.

  
  
Hmh... I'll jump in - Daniel's reply was probably on the wrong tone,
but the answer is perfectly right - When you choose a distribution
(like Debian, Ubuntu, Fedora, SuSE or any other), you choose the
carefully crafted work of integration of thousands of packages. Of
course, for most packages you can decide to roll your own and live
with it - But in the case of X... Well, it's one of the packages in
which most other packages depend, and it's one of the least trivial
ones to get right. You can be almost sure that many things will break
if you prefer to use an X server not provided by Debian - So the
answer is right, why would you want to use XFree now?

Greetings,

  

 I don't understand your question: "why would you want to use XFree
now?", what do you mean.
Do you mean why not use X.org ??. 
Any way the current XFree version in Debian stable is 4.3, this version
is to old for me. I have a
Toshiba laptop Portege R100 with trident Cyber Blade XP , with
XFree 4.3 I can use only vesa, 
I really need to update X-server. Even now I'm thinking to update from
Xfree 4.5 to X.org last
revision (X11R7.0)
that looks like have fully support for my driver, see link.
 Do you have any recommendation how to do it in the best way for my
Debian system ??

  Thank you in advance,
    Gustavo Halperin




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Re: Possible conflict with XFree 4.5

[Roberto C. Sanchez]

gustavo halperin wrote:
> Gunnar Wolf wrote:
> 
>>gustavo halperin dijo [Sun, Apr 16, 2006 at 01:40:42PM +0300]:
>>  
>>
>I think that we have a problem when the common library between XFree and 
>/usr/lib are update in /usr/lib.
>I currently have XFree  4.5, when the library libfontconfig1 was update 
>to version 2.3.2-1 was also updated
>the file  libfontconfig.so to the version 1.0.4 but in the XFree 
>(/usr/X11R6/lib/) this library still be the version 1.
>The problem came we we use programs like Gimp that must at least version 
>1.0.2  of this library. I solve this
>problem by link the libfontconfig in /usr/X11R6/lib to the newest 
>library in /usr/lib. That is the solution or that
>is a Bug in Debian System ??
>
>
I assume that you're installing XFree86 4.5 by yourself, since it wasn't
packaged for Debian.  In that case, local installation conflicts are
your problem to sort out.
  

>>>I see,  you are absolutely right.  Thank you for you explanation.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>Hmh... I'll jump in - Daniel's reply was probably on the wrong tone,
>>but the answer is perfectly right - When you choose a distribution
>>(like Debian, Ubuntu, Fedora, SuSE or any other), you choose the
>>carefully crafted work of integration of thousands of packages. Of
>>course, for most packages you can decide to roll your own and live
>>with it - But in the case of X... Well, it's one of the packages in
>>which most other packages depend, and it's one of the least trivial
>>ones to get right. You can be almost sure that many things will break
>>if you prefer to use an X server not provided by Debian - So the
>>answer is right, why would you want to use XFree now?
>>
>>Greetings,
>>
>>  
>>
>  I don't understand your question: "why would you want to use XFree
> now?", what do you mean.
> Do you mean why not use X.org ??.
> Any way the current XFree version in Debian stable is 4.3, this version
> is to old for me. I have a
> Toshiba laptop Portege R100 with trident *Cyber Blade XP* , with XFree
> 4.3 I can use only vesa,
> I really need to update X-server. Even now I'm thinking to update from
> Xfree 4.5 to X.org last
> revision (X11R7.0 ) that looks
> like have fully support for my driver, see link
> .
>  Do you have any recommendation how to do it in the best way for my
> Debian system ??
> 

Backports:

http://backports.org/debian/pool/main/x/xorg-x11/

Or, if you feel comfortable doing it, then upgrade to Etch or Sid.

Besides, is this not a bit OT for -devel?  Perhaps this discussion is
more suited to -user.

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Re: Trouble with some X applications.

[Andrew Donnellan]

On 4/29/06, Klaus Ethgen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

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> >That whould be a catastrope. As 2.6 is miles from stable a 2.6 kernel is
> >no kernel for stable servers. (Well, my system with sid is not in this
>
> Not stable?!?! It's been around for several years now. Please ask on -user.

Its not a question. Its a fact!


No I meant ask your question on -user.

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Re: Debian BTS down ?

[Don Armstrong]

On Sat, 29 Apr 2006, Yves-Alexis Perez wrote:
> This morning I reported two bugs (using reportbug), which have not been
> acknowledged by BTS. Now I've just received an update on a bug which was
> CC:'ed to my personal email. I've answered, but http//bugs.debian.org
> has not been updated and the update wasn't ack'ed either.
> 
> Is there a maintenance running or something that could prevent BTS to
> work ?

No; messages were processed as recently as 9 minutes ago.

Please give me the Message-Id: if the affected messages, and ideally
the time and which they were sent so I can see what happened to them.


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Re: Bug#364940: ITP: libkwiki-plugins-perl -- Plugins for Kwiki

[Nick Phillips]

On Wed, Apr 26, 2006 at 02:54:47PM -0500, Jaldhar H. Vyas wrote:
> Package: wnpp
> Severity: wishlist
> Owner: "Jaldhar H. Vyas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> 
> * Package name: libkwiki-plugins-perl
>   Version : 0.01
>   Upstream Author : Various.  Compiled by Jaldhar H. Vyas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> * URL : N/A
> * License : GPL+Artistic
>   Description : Plugins for Kwiki
> 
> This is a collection of plugins for Kwiki, the quickie wiki that's not too 
> tricky.  They are packaged together to avoid bloating the archive with lots
> of little packages.

You might want to have a look at the pkg-kwiki area on alioth.

There are a bunch of plugins set up to be packaged in svn there, along
with the other kiwki stuff.

I packaged the kwiki 0.3x stuff but have subsequently migrated to
moin, so if you're interested in kwiki in general...

Probably best you (and anyone else interested in the Kwiki packging) contact
me off-list and we can sort something out.

But it would be a bad idea to package these as you describe without
either co-ordinating it with the pkg-kwiki "project", or taking it
over yourself.


Cheers,


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Bug#365427: RFH: apt-build -- Need new developer(s)

[Julien Danjou]

Package: wnpp
Severity: normal

Hi,

apt-build really lacks of support right now.
It works pretty well, but currently it is not capable to deal with
every particular case that it might encounter.
Many improvements could be done, mainly by using libapt-pkg-perl and
enhancing it (like adding new bindings), instead of using external
programs such as apt-get or apt-cache.

I have no time and no interest in working on apt-build, since I never
used it.
I only wrote it as a proof of concept that Debian could work the way
Gentoo did.

If you want to kick out Gentoo and source based distro, please consider
helping apt-build.

A project is already set up on Alioth.

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Bug#365425: ITP: haxe -- Web programming languge generating Flash SWF

[Jens Peter Secher]

Package: wnpp
Severity: wishlist

* Package name: haxe
  Version : 0.b5
  Upstream Author : Nicolas Cannasse
* URL or Web page : http://haxe.org
* License : GPL
  Description : Web programming languge generating Flash SWF

haXe is a programming language similar to JavaScript, but with
full-featured type system and generics.  The compiler can generate Flash
SWF files for client-side use, and Neko bytecode for server-side use on
Apache.


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Re: Trouble with some X applications.

[David Weinehall]

On Sat, Apr 29, 2006 at 12:13:38PM +0200, Klaus Ethgen wrote:
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> Am Sa den 29. Apr 2006 um 12:08 schrieb Andrew Donnellan:
> > >That whould be a catastrope. As 2.6 is miles from stable a 2.6 kernel is
> > >no kernel for stable servers. (Well, my system with sid is not in this
> > 
> > Not stable?!?! It's been around for several years now. Please ask on -user.
> 
> Its not a question. Its a fact!

No, it's not a fact, it's your personal opinion.  I don't doubt that
there are cases where the 2.4 kernel is more stable than the 2.6 kernel,
but I highly question your earlier statement that the futex:es are
broken, since a lot of other people would've experienced and reported
the problem in that case.  And if you really believe that the kernel
maintainers don't want to fix certain bugs, you're really out on thin
ice.  They might, however, disagree with your opinion that a certain
behaviour is a bug at all...


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python-minimal

[Thomas Bushnell BSG]

The alsa-utils package depends on python-minimal.

As a result, I must now have two versions of python installed.  That's
a bug.

alsa-utils should depend on "python | python-minimal", or perhaps the
python packages should Provide python-minimal.

Does this seem right?

Thomas


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Re: python-minimal

[Steve Langasek]

On Sat, Apr 29, 2006 at 09:00:53PM -0700, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote:

> The alsa-utils package depends on python-minimal.

> As a result, I must now have two versions of python installed.  That's
> a bug.

> alsa-utils should depend on "python | python-minimal", or perhaps the
> python packages should Provide python-minimal.

> Does this seem right?

Er... alsa-utils should be depending on python, *not* on python-minimal at
all.  The previous discussion of this package was that python-minimal exists
only for the possibility of use as an Essential: yes package, should never
be installed without python, and should not be used as a dependency by other
packages.

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Re: python-minimal

[Thomas Bushnell BSG]

Steve Langasek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> On Sat, Apr 29, 2006 at 09:00:53PM -0700, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote:
>
>> The alsa-utils package depends on python-minimal.
>
>> As a result, I must now have two versions of python installed.  That's
>> a bug.
>
>> alsa-utils should depend on "python | python-minimal", or perhaps the
>> python packages should Provide python-minimal.
>
>> Does this seem right?
>
> Er... alsa-utils should be depending on python, *not* on python-minimal at
> all.  The previous discussion of this package was that python-minimal exists
> only for the possibility of use as an Essential: yes package, should never
> be installed without python, and should not be used as a dependency by other
> packages.

Ok, should I file a bug report against it, or is some other solution
better?  This sounds like a lintian situation...

Thomas


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Re: python-minimal

[Steve Langasek]

On Sat, Apr 29, 2006 at 09:16:20PM -0700, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote:
> Steve Langasek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> > On Sat, Apr 29, 2006 at 09:00:53PM -0700, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote:

> >> The alsa-utils package depends on python-minimal.

> >> As a result, I must now have two versions of python installed.  That's
> >> a bug.

> >> alsa-utils should depend on "python | python-minimal", or perhaps the
> >> python packages should Provide python-minimal.

> >> Does this seem right?

> > Er... alsa-utils should be depending on python, *not* on python-minimal at
> > all.  The previous discussion of this package was that python-minimal exists
> > only for the possibility of use as an Essential: yes package, should never
> > be installed without python, and should not be used as a dependency by other
> > packages.

> Ok, should I file a bug report against it, or is some other solution
> better?  This sounds like a lintian situation...

Seems to me that this should be at least a bug report on alsa-utils.  I'm
surprised that there would be a need for a lintian check for it, but I guess
it's better than letting such bugs go unnoticed.

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Re: python-minimal

[Russ Allbery]

Steve Langasek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> Seems to me that this should be at least a bug report on alsa-utils.
> I'm surprised that there would be a need for a lintian check for it, but
> I guess it's better than letting such bugs go unnoticed.

I can add one; it's not a lot of overhead given that lintian already has a
framework for checking for bad dependencies.  It's basically just another
branch in an if statement.

What's the precise check?  Any package depending on python-minimal should
receive an error (or a warning?) with roughly the text of Steve's previous
message?

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Re: O: Gnus -- A versatile News and mailing list reader for Emacsen.

[Manoj Srivastava]

On 29 Apr 2006, Marc Haber stated:

> On Tue, 25 Apr 2006 18:20:32 +0200, "Bernhard R. Link"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> For me a changed .orig.tar.gz means I no longer can easily verify
>> what exactly is changed. So I have to not only to download the
>> original upstream version and unpack it and make sure the files do
>> not differ, I have effectively two diffs to look at, while one of
>> them I even have to create on my own.  I prefer something makeing
>> it clear what upstream and what Debian changes are.
>
> Agreed. An accepted way to do this is to ship a shell script with
> the Debian source package which operates on an pristine upstream
> tarball obtained from upstream and delivers the Debian .orig.tar.gz
> for comparision with what's in the archive.

Err, in the case of Gnus, this is impossible. Guess what? the
 reason we are mucking with Gnus and make is because we _can't_ ship
 pristine upstream.

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Re: O: Gnus -- A versatile News and mailing list reader for Emacsen.

[Russ Allbery]

Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> On 29 Apr 2006, Marc Haber stated:

>> Agreed. An accepted way to do this is to ship a shell script with the
>> Debian source package which operates on an pristine upstream tarball
>> obtained from upstream and delivers the Debian .orig.tar.gz for
>> comparision with what's in the archive.

> Err, in the case of Gnus, this is impossible. Guess what? the
>  reason we are mucking with Gnus and make is because we _can't_ ship
>  pristine upstream.

At a guess:  He doesn't mean ship the pristine upstream, he means to ship
a shell script that derives the Debian .orig.tar.gz from a pristine copy
of upstream obtained separately so that the process is reproducible.  This
lets others confirm the heritage of what's in Debian by checking over the
transformation, grabbing the upstream distribution, applying the
transformation themselves, and making sure they get back the same thing.

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Debian Installer team meeting of 20060429: log available

[Christian Perrier]

The wiki page of D-I team meetings
(http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Meetings) now links the full
log of the April 2006 meeting that took place yesterday from 16:00UTC
to 17:30 UTC.

http://people.debian.org/~bubulle/d-i/irc-meeting-20060429/log

The meeting minutes will be published as soon as possible.




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