Re: amd64 as default architecture

2012-05-21 Thread Andrey Rahmatullin
On Mon, May 21, 2012 at 02:19:09PM +0800, Chow Loong Jin wrote:
> > By the way, are there plans to drop the support of the i386 architecture 
> > with
> > kFreeBSD as well ?
> I thought we were discussing amd64 being the default architecture for new
> installations, rather than the removal of the i386 architecture.
Both.

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Re: removal of Qt3

2012-05-21 Thread Paul Wise
On Mon, May 21, 2012 at 2:36 PM, Neil Williams wrote:

> Does LSB matter?

LSB is irrelevant to me personally since I'm mostly not interested in
running proprietary software on Linux systems.

I guess LSB must be relevant to Debian since we have it in Debian and
even have a mailing list dedicated to it:

http://lists.debian.org/debian-lsb/

Apparently LSB 5.0 will drop the Qt3 requirement:

http://lists.debian.org/debian-lsb/2012/02/msg9.html

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Re: debuild/dpkg-buildpackage behaves not as expected

2012-05-21 Thread Olе Streicher
Goswin von Brederlow  writes:
>>> If you need to change a file then that means that file isn't source
>>> anymore but generated. Try switching to out-of-tree builds if you have
>>> something like that.
>>
>> What is the advantage of that? From the Debian policy, I don't see a
>> need why sources should kept untouched during the build process.
>
> Less surprises by someone unfamiliar with the source. For example:
>
> - you (as in some porter, not the maintainer) build the source to
>   reproduce a FTBS 
> - it fails as expected
> - you edit the broken file
> - you build again and it works
> - you call clean so you can make a patch
> - clean restores the original source file destroying hours of your
>   work

If I would be unfamilar with the source, I would just not expect that
the package behaves as I would do it myself. Instead, I would be ready
for the case that it does tricky, undocumented things with the source --
and create the debian patch before I am going to build the package.

Why should a porter expect more from a package than the requirements
specified in the policy?

>> It is just the better design: the package was built with a patched
>> source, so only the patched version knows for sure how to clean it up. 

> Note that it only calls clean with unpatched sources if you
> specifically unpatched your source before calling it.

If you insist so much on this standard: why does debuild (or
dpkg-buildpackage) undo the patches if they were not applied before? In
this case, it would be up to the (rare) people to unpatch if they need
this. One could even provide a debuild/dpkg-buildpackage option for that
(like --unpatch-after-build or so), or do it in a hook.

> So I think having the clean target make sure patches are applied if
> needed is the better design.

 which again does not behave as expected: if "clean" depends on
"patch", then after "debuild clean" the packages is in the "patched"
state even if it was unpatched before. 

I think the best way would be that debuild/dpkg-buildpackage would not
automatically unapply the patches (so it would leave the source in the
way that is described as "standard" for Debian), with a special option
or hook that does this for those who really need it (and know what they
are doing).

> I was describing the case of having changes commited to the RCS and
> generating debian/patches/* automatically (or a single debian-changes
> patch).

A single debian-changes patch is evil -- even Lintian complains there. 
Handling a single debian-changes patch is something I would explicitely
*not* take as a valid use case.

Is there a way to automatically handle a bunch of individual patches
trough an RCS?

Best regards

Ole


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Bug#673758: ITP: scilab-metanet -- Scilab graphs and networks computations module.

2012-05-21 Thread Sylvestre Ledru
Package: wnpp
Severity: wishlist
Owner: Sylvestre Ledru 

* Package name: scilab-metanet
  Version : 0.4
* URL : http://forge.scilab.org/index.php/p/metanet/
* License : CeCILL
  Programming Lang: Scilab, fortran, etc
  Description : Scilab graphs and networks computations module.

 A number of algorithms solving classical graph problems and minimal cost flow
 network are provided in this module.
 This extension is fully integrated in the Scilab environment and provides 
 display and interaction on graphs.



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SV: Moving the target of localization pokes (and eventually NMUs)...

2012-05-21 Thread Joe Dalton
pages doesn't seem to have been updated since may 2 ?

bye
Joe
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- Original meddelelse -
Fra: Christian PERRIER 
Til: debian-devel@lists.debian.org; debian-i...@lists.debian.org
Cc: 
Sendt: 7:29 mandag den 21. maj 2012
Emne: Moving the target of localization pokes (and eventually NMUs)...

With the final steps of the release of Wheezy approaching, I will, from
now on, move the focus of my l10n attention to packages that are blocking
some of the localization goals.

One of them is 100% completeness for debconf translations in wheezy
for seven languages: Czech, Swedish, Spanish, Portuguese, German,
Russian and French.

As a consequence, I will now be nagging *hardly* the maintainers of
packages that are blocking this 100%  completeness. These packages are
listed on the following pages:
http://www.debian.org/international/l10n/po-debconf/cs
http://www.debian.org/international/l10n/po-debconf/sv
http://www.debian.org/international/l10n/po-debconf/es
http://www.debian.org/international/l10n/po-debconf/pt
http://www.debian.org/international/l10n/po-debconf/de
http://www.debian.org/international/l10n/po-debconf/ru
http://www.debian.org/international/l10n/po-debconf/fr

...at the top of each page.

For most, if not all, of them, there are pending translations in the
BTS. Fortunately, all of these are recent enough, and I hope
maintainers will be reactive to my pokes (if they aren't, then NMUs
will be on their way..:-)).

Packages that have something waiting in the BTS (I don't have info for
Portuguese that isn't using the l10n tracking robot):

postfixadmin (cs,sv,es,de,ru,fr)
glance (cs,sv,es,de,ru,fr)
xfonts-traditional (cs,sv,es,de,ru,fr)
xsp (sv)
auctex (es)
lxc (es)
gitalist (es)
graphite-carbon (es,de,ru,fr)
condor (fr)
mumble-django (de,fr)

dd-list of maintainers:

Condor Developers 
  condor

Daniel Baumann 
  lxc

Davide G. M. Salvetti 
  auctex

Debian Mono Group 
  xsp

Debian VoIP Team 
  mumble-django

Dylan R. E. Moonfire 
  xsp (U)

Ghe Rivero 
  glance (U)

Ian Jackson 
  xfonts-traditional

Jo Shields 
  xsp (U)

Jonas Genannt 
  gitalist
  graphite-carbon
  lxc (U)

Jonathan Yu 
  gitalist (U)

Julien Danjou 
  glance (U)

Kilian Krause 
  mumble-django (U)

Michael Hanke 
  condor (U)

Michael Ziegler 
  mumble-django (U)

Mirco Bauer 
  xsp (U)

Norman Messtorff 
  postfixadmin

OHURA Makoto 
  auctex (U)

Patrick Matthäi 
  mumble-django (U)

PKG OpenStack 
  glance

Thomas Goirand 
  glance (U)





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Re: SV: Moving the target of localization pokes (and eventually NMUs)...

2012-05-21 Thread Christian PERRIER
Quoting Joe Dalton (joedalt...@yahoo.dk):
> pages doesn't seem to have been updated since may 2 ?

Yes, I've been notified of this and I'm working on it.




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RE : Re: why do people introduce stup^Wstrange changes to quilt 3.0 format

2012-05-21 Thread Bastien ROUCARIES
gitpkg with quilt hook is very nice.

Have a branch with debian change, one for patch queue, one for upstream

Use git cherry pick for porting patch

I use it for imagemagick

Will post my workflow tomorrow I post from my phone, sorry for top post and
brievety

Bastien

Le 21 mai 2012 02:56, "Marco d'Itri"  a écrit :

On May 18, Russ Allbery  wrote:

> I do this work in cases where keeping the patches...
Some of my packages have 30-60 patches ("mature" software...), and
merging them would make them impossibile to understand.
Is there a VCS workflow which would make such packages easier to manage
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Bug#673832: ITP: critcl -- compiled runtime in Tcl

2012-05-21 Thread Andrew Shadura
Package: wnpp
Severity: wishlist
Owner: Andrew Shadura 

* Package name: critcl
  Version : 3.0.3
  Upstream authors: Andreas Kupries 
Jean-Claude Wippler 
* URL : http://jcw.github.com/critcl/
* License : BSD
  Programming Lang: C, Tcl
  Description : compiled runtime in Tcl

 Critcl takes a snippet of C, generates Tcl interface, sends it to the
 compiler, and then dynamically links the code. Checksums are used to
 only recompile when needed, so the build overhead really applies only
 once.



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Bug#673893: ITP: pegasus-wms -- Scientific workflow management system for Condor

2012-05-21 Thread Mats Rynge
Package: wnpp
Severity: wishlist
Owner: Mats Rynge 

* Package name: pegasus-wms
  Version : 4.0.0
  Upstream Author : Pegasus Dev Team 
* URL : http://pegasus.isi.edu
* License : Apache 2.0
  Programming Lang: Java, Python, C
  Description : Scientific workflow management system for Condor

The Pegasus project encompasses a set of technologies the help
workflow-based applications execute in a number of different
environments including desktops, campus clusters, grids, and now
clouds. Scientific workflows allow users to easily express
multi-step computations, for example retrieve data from a
database, reformat the data, and run an analysis. Once an
application is formalized as a workflow the Pegasus Workflow
Management Service can map it onto available compute resources
and execute the steps in appropriate order.





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Bug#673906: ITP: pugl -- portable API for OpenGL graphical interfaces

2012-05-21 Thread Alessio Treglia
Package: wnpp
Severity: wishlist
Owner: Alessio Treglia 

* Package name: pugl
  Version : 0~svn32
  Upstream Author : Dave Robillard 
* URL : http://drobilla.net/software/pugl/
* License : ISC
  Programming Lang: C
  Description : portable API for OpenGL graphical interfaces

 Pugl is a minimal portable API for OpenGL GUIs which supports
 embedding and is suitable for use in plugins, but can also be
 used for programs.

 Pugl is vaguely similar to GLUT, but with some significant
 distinctions:
  * Minimal in scope, providing only what is necessary to draw
and receive keyboard and mouse input.
  * No reliance on static data whatsoever, so the API can be
used in plugins or multiple independent parts of a program.
  * Single implementation, which is small, liberally licensed
and suitable for direct inclusion in programs if avoiding a
library dependency is desired.
  * Support for embedding in other windows, so Pugl code can
draw to a widget inside a larger GUI.
  * More complete support for keyboard input, including
additional “special” keys, modifiers, and support for
detecting individual modifier key presses.



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Bug#673916: ITP: haskell-options -- Haskell library for parsing command-line options

2012-05-21 Thread John Millikin
Package: wnpp
Severity: wishlist
Owner: John Millikin 

* Package name: haskell-options
  Version : 0.1.1
  Upstream Author : John Millikin 
* URL : https://john-millikin.com/software/haskell-options/
* License : Expat
  Programming Lang: Haskell
  Description : Haskell library for parsing command-line options

The options package lets library and application developers easily work
with command-line options.

This package provides a library written in the Haskell programming
language. See http://www.haskell.org/ for more information on Haskell.



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Bug#673920: ITP: python-rsa -- pure Python RSA implementation

2012-05-21 Thread Daniele Tricoli
Package: wnpp
Severity: wishlist
Owner: Daniele Tricoli 

* Package name: python-rsa
  Version : 3.0.1
  Upstream Author : Sybren A. Stuvel 
* URL : http://stuvel.eu/rsa
* License : Apache License 2.0
  Programming Lang: Python
  Description : pure Python RSA implementation

 Python-RSA is a pure-Python RSA implementation. It supports encryption
 and decryption, signing and verifying signatures, and key generation
 according to PKCS#1 version 1.5 so it can also interoperate with
 OpenSSL.

The package will be maintained under the umbrella of the DPMT and it's
a dependency for the new version (0.1.3) of python-oauthlib.



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sticky bit on devices

2012-05-21 Thread Russell Coker
I've just noticed that a bunch of device nodes on my main system running 
Unstable now have the sticky bit set.

Why is that?

crw-rw---T. 1 root lp6,   0 May 18 23:47 lp0
crw-rT. 1 root kmem  1,   1 May 18 23:46 mem
crw-rw---T+ 1 root audio14,   0 May 18 23:46 mixer
crw-rw---T+ 1 root audio14,  16 May 18 23:46 mixer1
crw-rw---T. 1 root lp   99,   0 May 18 23:47 parport0
crw-rT. 1 root kmem  1,   4 May 18 23:46 port
crw--T. 1 root root108,   0 May 18 23:46 ppp
brw-rw---T. 1 root disk  8,   0 May 18 23:46 sda
brw-rw---T. 1 root disk  8,   1 May 18 23:47 sda1
brw-rw---T. 1 root disk  8,   2 May 22 13:04 sda2
brw-rw---T. 1 root floppy8,  16 May 22 13:01 sdb
crw-rw---T. 1 root dialout   4,  64 May 18 23:46 ttyS0
crw-rw---T. 1 root dialout   4,  65 May 18 23:46 ttyS1
crw-rw---T. 1 root dialout   4,  66 May 18 23:46 ttyS2
crw-rw---T. 1 root dialout   4,  67 May 18 23:46 ttyS3
crw--T. 1 root root 10, 223 May 18 23:46 uinput

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Re: sticky bit on devices

2012-05-21 Thread Yves-Alexis Perez
On mar., 2012-05-22 at 13:12 +1000, Russell Coker wrote:
> I've just noticed that a bunch of device nodes on my main system running 
> Unstable now have the sticky bit set.
> 
Google search seems to say that the question has already been asked and
replied on debian-user
http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2012/02/msg01273.html


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Re: sticky bit on devices

2012-05-21 Thread Russell Coker
On Tue, 22 May 2012, "Yves-Alexis Perez"  wrote:
> On mar., 2012-05-22 at 13:12 +1000, Russell Coker wrote:
> > I've just noticed that a bunch of device nodes on my main system running
> > Unstable now have the sticky bit set.
> 
> Google search seems to say that the question has already been asked and
> replied on debian-user
> http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2012/02/msg01273.html

Why are some devices getting it but not others?

/dev/ttyS? get the sticky bit even though the serial port driver is linked 
into the kernel and this issue is thus irrelevant (at least on amd64).

/dev/watchdog is from the softdog module which can be unloaded but it doesn't 
have the sticky bit.  Why is /dev/watchdog a good device to remove?

/dev/sd* device have the sticky bit set, but they are removed when the 
hardware is removed (EG unplugging a USB flash device).  Why is that?

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