Re: Hurd-i386 and kfreebsd-{i386,amd64} removal

[John Paul Adrian Glaubitz]

Could you PLEASE stop posting to debian-ports@? You are sending these mails to 
every Debian Ports architecture mailing list.

I already asked for the third time now.

Thank You,
Adrian

> On May 26, 2019, at 5:34 AM,   wrote:
> 
> Sorry if this is off-topic, but I can't help asking if that "15381 March 
> 1977" was on purpose or just from some wonky email client: 15380 days after 
> March 1st 1977 happens to be April 10th 2019, so...
> 
> -- 
> Pengcheng Xu
> https://jsteward.moe/
> 
> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Aurelien Jarno 
>> Sent: Saturday, May 25, 2019 4:56 PM
>> To: debian-h...@lists.debian.org; debian-...@lists.debian.org; debian-
>> de...@lists.debian.org; debian-po...@lists.debian.org; ftpmaster@ports-
>> master.debian.org
>> Subject: Re: Hurd-i386 and kfreebsd-{i386,amd64} removal
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>>> On 2019-04-24 12:34, Joerg Jaspert wrote:
>>> On 15381 March 1977, Aurelien Jarno wrote:
> ^^^ HERE
>>> 
>> It would be nice to have a bit more than 2 weeks to do all of that.
> Ok. How much? Is 6 or 8 weeks better? I don't think, given how
> long this is on the table already, it doesn't make much difference if its 
> 2
>> or 8.
> Just something thats clear defined and not some random, non-clear
> "sometime in the future" point.
 The hurd-i386 architecture has been moved to to debian-ports yesterday.
 I hope it shows the willingness to do that. Please give us at least
 4 more weeks to do the remaining kfreebsd-*. That will provide some
 margin to account for the non-infinite free time to work on that
 (especially in the freeze period) and possibly to get more disk
 space for the debian-ports machine.
>>> 
>>> Thats ok, end of May is a nice point to take.
>>> 
>>> Thanks for the work and the timeframe for the rest!
>> 
>> kfreebsd-amd64 and kfreebsd-i386 have now been moved to debian-ports.
>> As
>> hurd-i386 has been moved earlier, it means that all the 3 architectures have
>> now been moved.
>> 
>> Aurelien
>> 
>> --
>> Aurelien Jarno  GPG: 4096R/1DDD8C9B
>> aurel...@aurel32.net http://www.aurel32.net

RE: Hurd-i386 and kfreebsd-{i386,amd64} removal

[i]

Sorry if this is off-topic, but I can't help asking if that "15381 March 1977" 
was on purpose or just from some wonky email client: 15380 days after March 1st 
1977 happens to be April 10th 2019, so...

-- 
Pengcheng Xu
https://jsteward.moe/


> -Original Message-
> From: Aurelien Jarno 
> Sent: Saturday, May 25, 2019 4:56 PM
> To: debian-h...@lists.debian.org; debian-...@lists.debian.org; debian-
> de...@lists.debian.org; debian-po...@lists.debian.org; ftpmaster@ports-
> master.debian.org
> Subject: Re: Hurd-i386 and kfreebsd-{i386,amd64} removal
> 
> Hi,
> 
> On 2019-04-24 12:34, Joerg Jaspert wrote:
> > On 15381 March 1977, Aurelien Jarno wrote:
^^^ HERE
> >
> > > > > It would be nice to have a bit more than 2 weeks to do all of that.
> > > > Ok. How much? Is 6 or 8 weeks better? I don't think, given how
> > > > long this is on the table already, it doesn't make much difference if 
> > > > its 2
> or 8.
> > > > Just something thats clear defined and not some random, non-clear
> > > > "sometime in the future" point.
> > > The hurd-i386 architecture has been moved to to debian-ports yesterday.
> > > I hope it shows the willingness to do that. Please give us at least
> > > 4 more weeks to do the remaining kfreebsd-*. That will provide some
> > > margin to account for the non-infinite free time to work on that
> > > (especially in the freeze period) and possibly to get more disk
> > > space for the debian-ports machine.
> >
> > Thats ok, end of May is a nice point to take.
> >
> > Thanks for the work and the timeframe for the rest!
> 
> kfreebsd-amd64 and kfreebsd-i386 have now been moved to debian-ports.
> As
> hurd-i386 has been moved earlier, it means that all the 3 architectures have
> now been moved.
> 
> Aurelien
> 
> --
> Aurelien Jarno  GPG: 4096R/1DDD8C9B
> aurel...@aurel32.net http://www.aurel32.net


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Accepted python-yubico 1.3.2-2 (source all) into unstable

[Simon Josefsson]

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[VDR dai]

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Re: Bits from /me: A humble draft policy on "deep learning v.s. freedom"

[Don Armstrong]

On Thu, 23 May 2019, Andy Simpkins wrote:
> Your wording "The model /should/be reproducible with a fixed random
> seed." feels correct but wonder if guidance notes along the following
> lines should be added?

Reproducing exact results from a deep learning model which requires
extensive computation is fairly hard. On top of knowing the exact state
of the system at the initiation of the computation, it requires that
entire computation to be deterministic. Deterministic execution may
require unacceptable performance tradeoffs in larger analyses.

Reproducible builds are hard enough, and those generally don't involve
coprocessors.

-- 
Don Armstrong  https://www.donarmstrong.com

I made a bunch of stickers
to put on rooftops, and in secret tunnels.
"If you are reading this,
 then you are awesome"
 -- a softer world #569
http://www.asofterworld.com/index.php?id=569

Re: Hurd-i386 and kfreebsd-{i386,amd64} removal

[Joerg Jaspert]

On 15413 March 1977, Aurelien Jarno wrote:


Thats ok, end of May is a nice point to take.
Thanks for the work and the timeframe for the rest!

kfreebsd-amd64 and kfreebsd-i386 have now been moved to debian-ports. As
hurd-i386 has been moved earlier, it means that all the 3 architectures
have now been moved.


Thank you!

--
bye, Joerg

Accepted rustc 1.34.2+dfsg1-1~exp2 (source) into experimental

[Ximin Luo]

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Maintainer: Debian Rust Maintainers 

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Consensus Call: Do We Want to Require or Recommend DH; comments by 2019-06-16

[Sam Hartman]

Hi. Almost two weeks ago [1] I  started a discussion on whether we
wanted to increase the strength of our recommendation of the dh
sequencer from debhelper.
This message is a consensus call summarizing my reading of the
discussion.

  [1]
  https://lists.debian.org/msgid-search/tsla7fqjzyv@suchdamage.org

My approach for calling consensus is heavily influenced by RFC 7282 [2],
which talks about some approaches for evaluating rough consensus within
the IETF.  That document is not normative policy there and certainly has
no force here, but the authors have spent a lot of time thinking about
how to understand what an opinionated group of technologists mean when
writing to a mailing list.  In judging consensus, it's much more about
whether issues have been considered and whether the community believes
the issues have been adequately resolved than numbers of people on any
side of a given issue.

  [2] https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7282

Please send any comments by 2019-06-16.
Please distinguish cases where you believe I've misread the discussion
from new contributions intended to change the community's view.

At the core of this discussion are a number of key issues that were
reflected in comments throughout the discussion.

* People who make changes across the archive such as enabling hardening,
  cross-building, bootstrapping, etc benefit significantly from more
  uniformity in packaging practices.  The time they spend working on
  packages that use dh is significantly less.  That is, people working
  on making Debian more reproducible benefit from when we adopt more
  uniform practices.

* People who spend time fixing the archive, fixing RC bugs, etc don't
  like to see churn in areas that are already working.  If it's working
  well, don't break it.  Developers doing NMUs do not always perform
  adequate QA of their changes.

* Traditionally we've valued respecting the maintainer's preference
  above most other factors.  In the limit, short of orphaning packages
  or removing maintainers, we don't actually have tools to get
  maintainers to do things they don't want to.  Per our constitution no
  one in Debian is obligated to do anything besides not stand in the way
  of others.  And yet this discussion is about pushing things towards
  uniformity and in a small way away from maintainer preference.

Recommendation
==

There are some exceptions where we think using dh is the wrong choice;
see below.  We have a strong consensus that other than in exceptional
circumstances, new packages should use dh.

There's a weaker consensus that existing packages should use dh, but
migrating working packages to use dh is often not the best use of our
resources and can be harmful when it introduces bugs.  A number of
people spoke against choosing dh for existing packages.  I looked at the
reasons expressed.  A number of these focused on concerns about
introducing bugs.  When I read through all the messages I think it was
fair to interpret a lot of these concerns as asking us to be careful
about how we spend our resources.  It is generally harmful to convert a
package to dh without adequate testing.  It often makes sense to spend
time on something other than converting working packages to dh unless
doing so fixes something else or makes something easier.

But if a maintainer asks if in an ideal world should their package use
dh, the rough consensus of this discussion is that other than
exceptional circumstances, "yes".

Exceptional Circumstances
=

This is not a complete list of reasons not to use dh.  That list will
likely evolve over time, but here are reasons identified in the
discussion.

* If you're actively working on something new, innovation is still
  something we care about.  We're not trying to close down development
  of the next great thing.

* Cdbs has a few features that dh doesn't have.  The Haskell tools in
  cdbs ar critical to our current Haskell infrastructure.  Cdbs flavors
  don't seem to have a dh analogue.  For examples compare
  https://salsa.debian.org/multimedia-team/snd/blob/master/debian/rules
  to
  https://salsa.debian.org/multimedia-team/soundscaperenderer/blob/master/debia
  n/rules .  If cdbs is doing something for you, then it probably makes
  sense to stay with it for now.  But it sounds like there's discussion
  of retiring cdbs longterm.  So if you're using cdbs for things dh is
  perfectly good at, the cdbs exception is much weaker and possibly may
  not apply.

* Consistency with teams.  If your team is using something else, then it
  might be worth having a discussion within the team about whether
  that's still the best choice, but consistency within teams is
  important.

* We need to go back and check if there are any bootstrapping concerns
  that should affect build system decisions for specific packages.

There was strong consensus that we should have a lintian tag that can be
overridden to indicate why a package is not using debhelper.

Accepted node-ytdl-core 0.2.4+dfsg-2 (source) into unstable

[Graham Inggs]

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Maintainer: Debian Javascript Maintainers 

Changed-By: Graham Inggs 
Closes: 894958
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 .
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   * Switch to autopkgtest-pkg-nodejs (Closes: #894958)
   * Update Vcs-* fields for move to salsa
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Accepted dmarc-cat 0.9.2-4 (source amd64) into unstable

[Antoine Beaupré]

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Urgency: medium
Maintainer: Debian Go Packaging Team 
Changed-By: Antoine Beaupré 
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 .
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Accepted salt 2018.3.4+dfsg1-6 (source) into unstable

[Benjamin Drung]

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Maintainer: Debian Salt Team 
Changed-By: Benjamin Drung 
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 salt (2018.3.4+dfsg1-6) unstable; urgency=medium
 .
   * Revert changes that were rejected by the release team:
 - Drop fixing various spelling mistakes
 - Drop using jquery.js from sphinx
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[Steffen Moeller]

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Maintainer: Diane Trout 
Changed-By: Steffen Moeller 
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Closes: 928665
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 .
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 .
   * Not an initial release (Closes: #928665)
 Was not aware of Diane's package at the time.
 Now merged both efforts.
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[Graham Inggs]

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Closes: 894954
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Accepted node-pend 1.2.0-2 (source) into unstable

[Graham Inggs]

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Re: Hurd-i386 and kfreebsd-{i386,amd64} removal

[Aurelien Jarno]

On 2019-05-25 13:00, Manuel A. Fernandez Montecelo wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> Em sáb, 25 de mai de 2019 às 10:57, Aurelien Jarno
>  escreveu:
> >
> > kfreebsd-amd64 and kfreebsd-i386 have now been moved to debian-ports. As
> > hurd-i386 has been moved earlier, it means that all the 3 architectures
> > have now been moved.
> 
> Nice :-)
> 
> Not sure who's the admin (I couldn't find the admin address in the
> main pages), but they're not registered in the graphs (while
> powerpcpse, recently removed, still is).
> 
> https://buildd.debian.org/stats/graph-ports-week-big.png

There are still available on the on the main graph:
https://buildd.debian.org/stats/graph-week-big.png

I'll move hurd and kbsd-* plots from the main one to the ports one, but
unless we do not keep the history, it's not a trivial task as it
requires migrating the data from one text database to the other
database.

Aurelien

-- 
Aurelien Jarno  GPG: 4096R/1DDD8C9B
aurel...@aurel32.net http://www.aurel32.net

Accepted cpufreqd 2.4.2-2.1 (source) into unstable

[Frédéric Bonnard]

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Accepted node-parseurl 1.3.0-2 (source) into unstable

[Graham Inggs]

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[Graham Inggs]

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Maintainer: Graham Inggs 
Changed-By: Graham Inggs 
Closes: 922608
Changes:
 modem-manager-gui (0.0.19.1-2) unstable; urgency=medium
 .
   * Fix memory corruption because of wrong strsep() usage (Closes: #922608)
   * Fix segfault in strftime_l() because of timestamps from future
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[GCS]

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Maintainer: syslog-ng maintainers 

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 .
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[Andreas Beckmann]

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   [ Andreas Beckmann ]
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[Graham Inggs]

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Urgency: medium
Maintainer: Debian Javascript Maintainers 

Changed-By: Graham Inggs 
Closes: 894947
Changes:
 node-nwmatcher (1.3.3+dfsg-3) unstable; urgency=medium
 .
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   * Switch to autopkgtest-pkg-nodejs (Closes: #894947)
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Re: Hurd-i386 and kfreebsd-{i386,amd64} removal

[John Paul Adrian Glaubitz]

On 5/25/19 1:00 PM, Manuel A. Fernandez Montecelo wrote:
> Not sure who's the admin (I couldn't find the admin address in the
> main pages), but they're not registered in the graphs (while
> powerpcpse, recently removed, still is).
Could you please not use debian-ports@ unless you actually want to
send a mail that is supposed to reach the mailing lists for every
single ports architecture? Every time someone posts in this thread,
I am receiving 9 identical mails -.-.

Thanks,
Adrian

-- 
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: :' :  Debian Developer - glaub...@debian.org
`. `'   Freie Universitaet Berlin - glaub...@physik.fu-berlin.de
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Accepted python-markdown 3.1.1-1 (source) into experimental

[Dmitry Shachnev]

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Maintainer: Debian Python Modules Team 

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Re: Hurd-i386 and kfreebsd-{i386,amd64} removal

[Manuel A. Fernandez Montecelo]

Hi,

Em sáb, 25 de mai de 2019 às 10:57, Aurelien Jarno
 escreveu:
>
> kfreebsd-amd64 and kfreebsd-i386 have now been moved to debian-ports. As
> hurd-i386 has been moved earlier, it means that all the 3 architectures
> have now been moved.

Nice :-)

Not sure who's the admin (I couldn't find the admin address in the
main pages), but they're not registered in the graphs (while
powerpcpse, recently removed, still is).

https://buildd.debian.org/stats/graph-ports-week-big.png


-- 
Manuel A. Fernandez Montecelo 

Accepted gap-openmath 11.4.2+ds-4 (source) into experimental

[Jerome Benoit]

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Maintainer: Debian Science Maintainers 

Changed-By: Jerome Benoit 
Closes: 924167
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[Graham Inggs]

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Re: Bits from /me: A humble draft policy on "deep learning v.s. freedom"

[Mo Zhou]

Hi PICCA,

On 2019-05-24 12:01, PICCA Frederic-Emmanuel wrote:
> What about ibm power9 with pocl ?
> 
> it seems that this is better than the latest NVIDIA GPU.

The typical workload for training neural networks is linear
operations such as general matrix-matrix multiplication and
convolution.

I know nothing about pocl, but it's hard for CPU to beat
GPU in terms of these highly-parallelizable linear operations.
Try a 4096x4096 multiplication and you will easily find out
the difference.

E.g. my CPU = I5 7440HQ (middle-end mobile CPU), GPU = Nvidia 940MX
(junk)
The junk GPU (CUDA) is 100x faster than my CPU (MKL).

~ ❯❯❯ optirun ipython3
Python 3.7.3 (default, Apr  3 2019, 05:39:12) 
Type 'copyright', 'credits' or 'license' for more information
IPython 7.2.0 -- An enhanced Interactive Python. Type '?' for help.

In [1]: import torch as th  
   

In [2]: x = th.rand(4096, 4096) 
   

In [3]: %time x@x   
   
CPU times: user 1.65 s, sys: 38.7 ms, total: 1.69 s
Wall time: 449 ms
Out[3]: 
tensor([[1015.7596, 1004.2767, 1001.6245,  ..., 1026.8447,  996.3105,
 1002.7847],
[1047.8833, 1014.3856, 1020.8246,  ..., 1055.3224, 1021.6126,
 1031.0334],
[1049.3168, 1027.7637, 1030.9961,  ..., 1054.3218, 1015.3804,
 1031.6709],
...,
[1039.6516, 1024.6678, 1021.1326,  ..., 1047.0674, 1015.1402,
 1029.5969],
[1020.1988,  994.0073, 1005.5823,  ..., 1015.6786,  990.2491,
 1008.1358],
[1022.9388,  991.9886,  990.4608,  ..., 1013.9000,  998.8676,
 1007.8554]])

In [4]: x = x.cuda()
 

In [5]: %time x@x   
 
CPU times: user 1.1 ms, sys: 174 µs, total: 1.27 ms
Wall time: 2.67 ms
Out[5]: 
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Re: Bits from /me: A humble draft policy on "deep learning v.s. freedom"

[Mo Zhou]

Hi Paul,

On 2019-05-24 11:50, Paul Wise wrote:
> On Fri, 2019-05-24 at 03:14 -0700, Mo Zhou wrote:
> 
>> Non-free nvidia driver is inevitable.
>> AMD GPUs and OpenCL are not sane choices.
> 
> So no model which cannot be CPU-trained is suitable for Debian main.

I've already pointed out that 1 year ago. Modern DL frameworks
supports different computation devices, typically CPU and GPU (CUDA).
And CUDA training is typically tens or hundreds times faster than
CPU training. I've already raised the question that whether a model
is really free if training it on purely free data and free software
takes 1 year, but merely 1 hour with non-free software.
In that historical thread people thought this is
not a solvable problem so I didn't wrote much about it.

My word "can't" means "cannot finish within a reasonable time frame".
If I can live for 1e9 years, I'd definitely say non-free
software is not necessary even if training on a weak i3 CPU
takes a short period, say, 100 years.

I updated Difficulty#2 and mentioned this.
Packages within my radar are not likely suffering
from the hard problems.

> https://github.com/hughperkins/coriander

Added to watch list.
 
>> Some good Xeon CPUs can train models as well,
>> and a well optimized linear algebra library
>> helps a lot (e.g. MKL, OpenBLAS). But generally
>> CPU training takes at least 10x longer time to
>> finish. (except some toy networks)
> 
> So only toy networks can enter Debian main?

Not exactly. Some useful stuff can be trained by
CPUs within a reasonable timeframe. We can analyze them
if we got some concrete cases.

NLTK-data contains some good examples of useful
"Free Models". I haven't finished inspecting it's
contents but some of it's components can meet
the high standard of "Free Model".

As I said at the beginning. The initial draft policy is conservative
and overkilling. We can revise it to let more models pass
in the future if people request so.

Re: Hurd-i386 and kfreebsd-{i386,amd64} removal

[Aurelien Jarno]

Hi,

On 2019-04-24 12:34, Joerg Jaspert wrote:
> On 15381 March 1977, Aurelien Jarno wrote:
> 
> > > > It would be nice to have a bit more than 2 weeks to do all of that.
> > > Ok. How much? Is 6 or 8 weeks better? I don't think, given how long this
> > > is on the table already, it doesn't make much difference if its 2 or 8.
> > > Just something thats clear defined and not some random, non-clear
> > > "sometime in the future" point.
> > The hurd-i386 architecture has been moved to to debian-ports yesterday.
> > I hope it shows the willingness to do that. Please give us at least 4
> > more weeks to do the remaining kfreebsd-*. That will provide some margin
> > to account for the non-infinite free time to work on that (especially in
> > the freeze period) and possibly to get more disk space for the
> > debian-ports machine.
> 
> Thats ok, end of May is a nice point to take.
> 
> Thanks for the work and the timeframe for the rest!

kfreebsd-amd64 and kfreebsd-i386 have now been moved to debian-ports. As
hurd-i386 has been moved earlier, it means that all the 3 architectures
have now been moved.

Aurelien

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Re: Bits from /me: A humble draft policy on "deep learning v.s. freedom"

[Mo Zhou]

Hi Adam,

On 2019-05-24 10:19, Adam Borowski wrote:
> 
> I'm not so sure this model would be unacceptable.  It's no different than
> a game's image being a photo of a tree in your garden -- not reproducible by
> anyone but you (or someone you invite).  Or, a wordlist frequency produced
> by analyzing results of a google search.
> 
> At some point, the work becomes an entity on its own rather than the result
> of processing some dataset.
> 
> A more ridiculous argument: the input is a project requirement sheet, the
> neural network being four pieces of wetware, working for 3 months.  Do you
> insist on _this_ being reproducible, or would you accept the product as free
> software?  Sufficiently advanced artificial intelligence might be not that
> different.

This is exactly the difficult question #3. The definition of ToxicCandy
is prepared for the future, and we currently lack concrete example
in this case. (A ToxicCandy Model that nobody plans to upload to the
archive is an invalid case.)

Let me first make the definition of the safest area clear. Only after
then should we try to explore more complicated cases ...

Accepted node-entities 1.1.1-2 (source) into unstable

[Graham Inggs]

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Changed-By: Graham Inggs 
Closes: 892605 894937
Changes:
 node-entities (1.1.1-2) unstable; urgency=medium
 .
   * Team upload
 .
   [ Xavier Guimard ]
   * Replace Martin Borgert by myself in uploaders list. Thanks for your work!
 (Closes: #892605)
 .
   [ Graham Inggs ]
   * Switch to autopkgtest-pkg-nodejs (Closes: #894937)
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Description:
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[Jerome Benoit]

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