Re: Tone policing by a member of the community team [Was, Re: Statement regarding Richard Stallman's readmission to the FSF board]

[Martina Ferrari]

Asking for de-escalation is not tone-policing.



Tone-policing is using the way some people tend to express their
opinion (generally violently, out of reaction to an attack they suffered
from) as a way to invalidate their opinion or criticize them.


+1


We disagree here about the definition.  But the definition is not the point;
the effect is the same: asking "both sides" to "de-escalate" when one party
has been subjected to an existential attack by the other, prioritizes
"civility" over equity.


It is so repetitive is boring at this point. One side wants to see a 
whole group of people dead, the other side is saying that is really bad 
with very strong words; the centrist chastises the latter for being rude.



Asking everyone to try remaining civilized when they interact is not an
attempt to invalidate what you could say or think, or to criticize you
as a person especially since you're not specifically targeted.


Transphobia by definition is not civilized and the rules of civilized
discourse do not apply when dealing with individuals who are external to
your civilization.  An individual whose very existence is being rejected by
an interlocutor has no moral obligation to respond in a "civilized" way to
the attacker, and any Code of Conduct which insists on civilized discourse
under these circumstances does harm to the oppressed.


Sadly, this is the reality in Debian.

A big over a year ago I got "warned" by the CT, DAM, and listmasters 
(which in turn forced me to resign from the CT after I had successfully 
resisted a months-long campaign from the acting DPL to remove me from 
that post by sheer bullying force) because I told an outspoken 
transphobe to "fuck off to the sea" [sic].


My harsh and very very naughty words certainly do not fit in a civilised 
community, but these bigots still roam free and continue to participate 
in the project every day: you just need to go see the web archives for 
debian-vote. The people that drove me out of Debian (did I mention I 
made a bingo card?) are all there very vocally defending a dude who 
spent all his social capital in defending the theoretical rights of a 
convicted paedophile and who routinely makes creepy advances on young 
women to the point that he usually has handlers to prevent him from 
embarrassing a prominent non-profit.


And I am sure now to receive more private email from the very same 
people. People I consider kind and good, that I used to respect and hold 
in high regard, but that to this day still cannot see the difference 
between being rude and defending yourself from actual fucking fascists.


PS: yes, I said fuck, repeatedly; fight me.

--
Martina Ferrari (Tina)

Re: Debian Project Leader election 2021: First call for votes

[Vasudev Kamath]

> - - -=-=-=-=-=- Don't Delete Anything Between These Lines =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
> f9533fc1-129b-41db-822c-be8fe8e9faa6
> [1] Choice 1: Jonathan Carter
> [2] Choice 2: Sruthi Chandran
> [3] Choice 3: None Of The Above
> - - -=-=-=-=-=- Don't Delete Anything Between These Lines =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-


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Bug#986610: ITP: grunt-contrib-cssmin -- Grunt plugin to minify CSS using clean-css

[James Valleroy]

Package: wnpp
Severity: wishlist
Owner: James Valleroy 
X-Debbugs-Cc: debian-devel@lists.debian.org, jvalle...@mailbox.org

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  Version : 4.0.0
  Upstream Author : Tim Branyen 
* URL : https://github.com/gruntjs/grunt-contrib-cssmin
* License : MIT
  Programming Lang: JavaScript
  Description : Grunt plugin to minify CSS using clean-css

Adds a "cssmin" grunt task that calls clean-css. It can be used to
combine files into one output file, minify all contents of a release
directory, and add .min.css extension. Provides options for reporting
results and enabling source maps.

Needed to build purecss (#856963). It will be maintained in JS team.

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Bug#986607: ITP: pure-extras -- Simple CSS for all those common UI elements that a web application needs

[James Valleroy]

Package: wnpp
Severity: wishlist
Owner: James Valleroy 
X-Debbugs-Cc: debian-devel@lists.debian.org, jvalle...@mailbox.org

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  Version : 1.0.1
  Upstream Author : Kevin Isom 
* URL : https://kevinisom.info/cssextras/
* License : BSD-3-clause
  Programming Lang: CSS
  Description : Simple CSS for common web application UI elements

Pure Extras is a set of CSS rules that makes it easier to create
common UI components for the web. It is build on the Pure CSS
framework.

This is a dependency for Shaarli front-end (#980134). It will be
maintained in JS team.

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Bug#986612: ITP: sass-stylesheets-purecss -- set of small, responsive Sass and CSS modules

[Jonas Smedegaard]

Package: wnpp
Severity: wishlist
Owner: Jonas Smedegaard 
X-Debbugs-Cc: debian-devel@lists.debian.org

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* Package name: sass-stylesheets-purecss
  Version : 2.0.5
  Upstream Author : Dmitriy Tarasov 
* URL : https://github.com/rubysamurai/purecss-sass
* License : Expat
  Programming Lang: Sass
  Description : set of small, responsive Sass and CSS modules

 purecss-sass is a reimplementation of Pure.css,
 a set of small, responsive CSS modules
 for general use in website project.s
 .
 Sass makes CSS fun again.
 Sass is an extension of CSS3,
 adding nested rules, variables, mixins, selector inheritance, and more.
 .
 Sass can be encoded in either of two formats - SASS and SCSS.
 These mixins are provided in dynamic resolvable SCSS format
 as well as pre-compiled static CSS.

This package will be maintained in the Sass team.

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Bug#986611: ITP: openrefine-butterfly -- modular web application framework

[Markus Koschany]

Package: wnpp
Severity: wishlist
Owner: Markus Koschany 
X-Debbugs-Cc: debian-devel@lists.debian.org, debian-j...@lists.debian.org, 
a...@debian.org

* Package name: openrefine-butterfly
  Version : 1.1.1
  Upstream Author : Stefano Mazzocchi
* URL : https://github.com/OpenRefine/simile-butterfly
* License : Apache-2.0
  Programming Lang: Java
  Description : modular web application framework

Butterfly is a modular web application framework written in Java but
mainly focused on the use of Javascript on both the client-side and
the server-side to make it easier to build modern web applications
that rely heavily on javascript and ajax/json conduits.

Bug#986609: ITP: libdexx-java -- immutable, persistent collection classes for Java

[Markus Koschany]

Package: wnpp
Severity: wishlist
Owner: Markus Koschany 
X-Debbugs-Cc: debian-devel@lists.debian.org, debian-j...@lists.debian.org, 
a...@debian.org

* Package name: libdexx-java
  Version : 0.7
  Upstream Author : Andrew O'Malley
* URL : https://github.com/andrewoma/dexx
* License : MIT
  Programming Lang: Java
  Description : immutable, persistent collection classes for Java

Dexx Collections are a port of Scala's immutable, persistent
collection classes to pure Java. Persistent in the context of
functional data structures means the data structure preserves the
previous version of itself when modified. This means any reference to
a collection is effectively immutable. However, modifications can be
made by returning a new version of the data structure, leaving the
original structure unchanged.

Bug#986608: ITP: liblessen-java -- lightweight CSS+LESS parser written in Java

[Markus Koschany]

Package: wnpp
Severity: wishlist
Owner: Markus Koschany 
X-Debbugs-Cc: debian-devel@lists.debian.org, debian-j...@lists.debian.org, 
a...@debian.org

* Package name: liblessen-java
  Version : 1.0
  Upstream Author : David Huynh
* URL : https://search.maven.org/artifact/com.metaweb/lessen/1.0/jar
* License : BSD-3-clause
  Programming Lang: Java
  Description : lightweight CSS+LESS parser written in Java

Lessen is a lightweight CSS+LESS parser that is also capable of variable
substitution and beautification of its output. It consists of a set of
relatively independent "tokenizers" that you chain in a pipeline to transform
the input to the output.

Re: ***UNCHECKED*** Packages in contrib solely because they allow using non-free software

[Simon Richter]

Hi,

On 04.04.21 11:17, Dominik George wrote:


That surprised me. If a package is free software, in ful laccordance
with the DFSG, why is it put into contrib? I can see where this note
comes from — the package maintainer does not want to help people
install non-free software, a point of view that is famous with the FSF
and a reason for them to discourage a distribution.


It goes into contrib if it is useful only with non-free software. For 
example, OpenCL client tools used to be in contrib while it was 
necessary to install the nVidia or ATI drivers to get meaningful 
functionality out of them, but when Beignet came out and a free ICD 
driver for Intel GPUs was available, that meant that OpenCL runtime 
could go to main.



But neither winetricks nor lutris are wrapper packages for
non-free programs — while they do allow installing and using non-free
software as well, they can be used for any kidn of game or program,
including free software. Lutris actually has explicit support for quite a few
games that are in Debian main.


Then it should be moved to main, same as OpenCL support was.

   Simon



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Bug#986605: ITP: apache-jena -- Java framework for building Semantic Web applications

[Markus Koschany]

Package: wnpp
Severity: wishlist
Owner: Markus Koschany 
X-Debbugs-Cc: debian-devel@lists.debian.org, a...@debian.org

* Package name: apache-jena
  Version : 3.17.0
  Upstream Author : Apache Software Foundation
* URL : https://jena.apache.org
* License : Apache-2.0
  Programming Lang: Java
  Description : Java framework for building Semantic Web applications

Apache Jena is a Java framework for building Semantic Web and Linked
data applications. It provides an API to extract data from and write
to RDF graphs. The graphs are represented as an abstract "model". A
model can be sourced with data from files, databases, URLs or a
combination of these. Jena supports serialisation of RDF graphs to a
relational database, RDF/XML, Turtle and Notation 3.

Bug#986604: ITP: openrefine -- powerful tool for working with messy data

[Markus Koschany]

Package: wnpp
Severity: wishlist
Owner: Markus Koschany 
X-Debbugs-Cc: debian-devel@lists.debian.org, debian-j...@lists.debian.org, 
a...@debian.org

* Package name: openrefine
  Version : 3.5
  Upstream Author : OpenRefine contributors
* URL : https://openrefine.org/
* License : BSD 3-Clause
  Programming Lang: Java
  Description : powerful tool for working with messy data

OpenRefine is a Java-based power tool that allows you to load data,
understand it, clean it up, reconcile it, and augment it with data
coming from the web. All from a web browser and the comfort and
privacy of your own computer.

Re: Questioning debian/upstream/signing-key.asc

[Guillem Jover]

Hi!

On Fri, 2021-04-02 at 13:38:51 +0200, Guillem Jover wrote:
> On Fri, 2021-03-26 at 10:13:25 +0100, Christoph Biedl wrote:
> > However, I uncertain whether is really worth the efforts to maintain
> > d/u/s-k, or more precisely, ping maintainers to do so. Personally, I
> > really like it when uscan also validates signatures. But it seems that
> > enthusiasm isn't quite shared among all contributors.

BTW this was also recently discussed in #982562.

Thanks,
Guillem

Bug#986587: GR: gassing Stallman with Molly de Blanc flatulence

[Adolf Hitler]

package: wnpp
severity: wishlist
X-Debbugs-CC: debian-devel@lists.debian.org,debian-v...@lists.debian.org

stop messing around

we need another option in the GR

0. gas Stallman (use Mollies flatulence)

I had a community team just like Debian.  We call it the SS

yours, Hitler

--
Debian Dictator
Fedora Fascist
Mozilla Monster

Re: Packages in contrib solely because they allow using non-free software

[Sean Whitton]

Hello Dominik,

On Sun 04 Apr 2021 at 11:17AM +02, Dominik George wrote:

> That surprised me. If a package is free software, in ful laccordance
> with the DFSG, why is it put into contrib?

Just to note that anything in contrib has to be fully free and
DFSG-compliant, so the issue is not about freedom but about the more
nebulous one of main being self-contained, as others have been
discussing.

-- 
Sean Whitton


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Re: Missing samba DSA-4513 changelog in https://metadata.ftp-master.debian.org/changelogs/

[Julien Cristau]

On Wed, Apr 07, 2021 at 02:49:49PM +0200, Ben Hutchings wrote:
> On Wed, 2021-04-07 at 20:07 +0900, Hideki Yamane wrote:
> > Hi,
> > 
> >  I cannot find appropriate pseudo package in reportbug, so ask this
> >  in -devel.
> > 
> >  Fumiyasu (CCed) found a issue with samba package changelog in
> > packages.d.o.
> >  https://packages.debian.org/buster/samba has "Debian Changelog" link
> >  but its 
> > https://metadata.ftp-master.debian.org/changelogs//main/s/samba/samba_4.9.5+dfsg-5+deb10u1_changelog
> >  link is 404.
> 
> The latter site is part of the main archive and does not have
> information about package versions that are only in the security
> archive.
> 
> Packages uploaded to the security archive are normally copied to the
> (old)stable-proposed-update suite of the main archive, so long as that
> is open, i.e. until the last point release.  So it looks as if the copy
> to the main archive failed for some reason.
> 
The samba package is held in stable-new by bug#939419, see
https://release.debian.org/proposed-updates/stable.html

Cheers,
Julien

> >  Something wrong with 
> > https://metadata.ftp-master.debian.org/changelogs/ ,
> >  that doesn't have the changelog were introduced with DSA 4513-1 as
> >  
> > https://tracker.debian.org/news/1061236/accepted-samba-2495dfsg-5deb10u1-source-into-stable-embargoed-stable/
> > 
> >  Also, why DSA 4513-1 is not included in Debian10.2 ?
> >  See https://www.debian.org/News/2019/20191116
> 
> Because the package didn't get copied to the main archive.
> 
> The common reason why this may fail is that a maintainer uploads a
> different orig tarball to the security archive.  However, the two
> versions agree on the checksums of the orig tarball.  I would take this
> up with the FTP team.
> 

[NEWS]: Ludovic Courtès

[Katarina Rostova]

https://gnu.support/richard-stallman/Ludovic-Court%C3%A8s-Guix-is-accusing-Stallman-of-Thoughtcrime-on-his-own-domain-GNU-org.html

Debian Trends updated

[Lucas Nussbaum]

[ M-F-T set to -qa@ ]

Hi,

I just updated Debian Trends: https://trends.debian.net/

I wonder if we should use the start of the next release cycle to decide
that we no longer want to accept some packaging practices, such as:
- debhelper compat level << 9
- source format 1.0 with direct changes in .diff.gz (no patch system)
- no support for build-arch and build-indep

Lucas

Re: Missing samba DSA-4513 changelog in https://metadata.ftp-master.debian.org/changelogs/

[Ben Hutchings]

On Wed, 2021-04-07 at 20:07 +0900, Hideki Yamane wrote:
> Hi,
> 
>  I cannot find appropriate pseudo package in reportbug, so ask this
>  in -devel.
> 
>  Fumiyasu (CCed) found a issue with samba package changelog in
> packages.d.o.
>  https://packages.debian.org/buster/samba has "Debian Changelog" link
>  but its 
> https://metadata.ftp-master.debian.org/changelogs//main/s/samba/samba_4.9.5+dfsg-5+deb10u1_changelog
>  link is 404.

The latter site is part of the main archive and does not have
information about package versions that are only in the security
archive.

Packages uploaded to the security archive are normally copied to the
(old)stable-proposed-update suite of the main archive, so long as that
is open, i.e. until the last point release.  So it looks as if the copy
to the main archive failed for some reason.

>  Something wrong with 
> https://metadata.ftp-master.debian.org/changelogs/ ,
>  that doesn't have the changelog were introduced with DSA 4513-1 as
>  
> https://tracker.debian.org/news/1061236/accepted-samba-2495dfsg-5deb10u1-source-into-stable-embargoed-stable/
> 
>  Also, why DSA 4513-1 is not included in Debian10.2 ?
>  See https://www.debian.org/News/2019/20191116

Because the package didn't get copied to the main archive.

The common reason why this may fail is that a maintainer uploads a
different orig tarball to the security archive.  However, the two
versions agree on the checksums of the orig tarball.  I would take this
up with the FTP team.

Ben.

-- 
Ben Hutchings
It is a miracle that curiosity survives formal education.
  - Albert Einstein


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Missing samba DSA-4513 changelog in https://metadata.ftp-master.debian.org/changelogs/

[Hideki Yamane]

Hi,

 I cannot find appropriate pseudo package in reportbug, so ask this
 in -devel.

 Fumiyasu (CCed) found a issue with samba package changelog in packages.d.o.
 https://packages.debian.org/buster/samba has "Debian Changelog" link
 but its 
https://metadata.ftp-master.debian.org/changelogs//main/s/samba/samba_4.9.5+dfsg-5+deb10u1_changelog
 link is 404.

 Something wrong with https://metadata.ftp-master.debian.org/changelogs/ ,
 that doesn't have the changelog were introduced with DSA 4513-1 as
 
https://tracker.debian.org/news/1061236/accepted-samba-2495dfsg-5deb10u1-source-into-stable-embargoed-stable/

 Also, why DSA 4513-1 is not included in Debian10.2 ?
 See https://www.debian.org/News/2019/20191116

 
-- 
Regards,

 Hideki Yamane henrich @ debian.org/iijmio-mail.jp

Bug#986543: ITP: qemu-web-desktop -- Start and access a virtual machine from a browser

[Roland Mas]

Package: wnpp
Severity: wishlist
Owner: Roland Mas 

* Package name: qemu-web-desktop
  Version : 21.01.21
  Upstream Author : Emmanuel Farhi 
* URL : 
https://gitlab.com/soleil-data-treatment/soleil-software-projects/remote-desktop
* License : AGPL
  Programming Lang: Perl
  Description : Start and access a virtual machine from a browser

The service allows authorized users to launch a remote virtual
machine, and display it in a browser window. No additional software
installation is needed on the client side.

Once installed (see below), connect to http://server/qemu-web-desktop
The user credentials can be tested against IMAP, SMTP, and LDAP. In
this case, a user ID (login name) and password are
required. Authentication can also be achieved using an email sent with
connection information.

When authentication is successful, a virtual machine is launched and
can be displayed in the browser window. In most cases (this depends on
the configuration - see below), a unique "token" is requested to
secure the connection.

This software was initially developed at Synchrotron Soleil, but can
be useful to others. I'm not currently looking for co-maintainers or a
sponsor, but I'll maintain it under the Debian group at Salsa.