Re: What would help the most?

[Jonathan Kamens]

Hello Lucas,

I think the reason why people are puzzled and hesitant to reply is that 
your inquiry seemingly came out of nowhere and you've offered no context 
for it. Why is this question being asked? Why are you the person asking 
it? What are you going to do with the responses?


People are understandably suspicious when someone asks somewhat weird 
questions out of the blue with no explanation for why.


If you want people to answer, I suggest you explain better what's going 
on here.


  jik

On 10/30/23 16:10, Lukasz Szybalski wrote:





Paul, Marc, Andrey
Thanks for replying.


To narrow it down:


This is a serious question and I would like a serious response.

Look back on the last 3 months of work you did @ debian or in salsa or 
bts or lists, and ask yourself.
What would be the minimal thing that would help you accomplish or make 
an even bigger impact at Debian but for you? (the Debian Developer)

What would it be?


Thank you
Lucas Szybalski
from Chicago IL
https://www.linkedin.com/in/lucas-szybalski/


*Vision of Debian:*
Create a free operating system, freely available for everyone.

*Goal:*
Coding and Maintaining Packages 
Testing and Bug Squashing 

/In these 2 goals:/
What is the minimum most valuable thing that would help YOU
accomplish your goals for Debian ?


Thanks
Lucas

Bug#1055074: ITP: golang-github-zeebo-assert -- Helpers for tests. You don't have to like it.

[Ricardo B. Marliere]

Package: wnpp
Severity: wishlist
Owner: Ricardo B. Marliere 

* Package name: golang-github-zeebo-assert
  Version : 1.3.1-1
  Upstream Author : Jeff Wendling
* URL : https://github.com/zeebo/assert
* License : CC0-1.0
  Programming Lang: Go
  Description : Helpers for tests. You don't have to like it.

 package assert
 .
 import "github.com/zeebo/assert"
 .
 .
 Usage
 .
 See the api docs. There's not a lot of surface area, and that's the
 goal.


This package is a dependency for golang-github-zeebo-xxh3-dev, requested
in #1054565.

Re: What would help the most?

[Lukasz Szybalski]

Paul, Marc, Andrey
> Thanks for replying.
>
>
> To narrow it down:
>
>
This is a serious question and I would like a serious response.

Look back on the last 3 months of work you did @ debian or in salsa or bts
or lists, and ask yourself.
What would be the minimal thing that would help you accomplish or make an
even bigger impact at Debian but for you? (the Debian Developer)
What would it be?


Thank you
Lucas Szybalski
from Chicago IL
https://www.linkedin.com/in/lucas-szybalski/




> *Vision of Debian:*
> Create a free operating system, freely available for everyone.
>
> *Goal:*
> Coding and Maintaining Packages 
> Testing and Bug Squashing 
>
> *In these 2 goals:*
> What is the minimum most valuable thing that would help YOU accomplish
> your goals for Debian ?
>
>
> Thanks
> Lucas
>
>
>

Re: What would help the most?

[Andrey Rakhmatullin]

On Mon, Oct 30, 2023 at 02:48:24PM -0500, Lukasz Szybalski wrote:
> It's not an AI guy.
> 
> This is a question of, as a debian developer @debian.org...what do you need
> right now? What would help you?
> 
> Example without giving direction..or inserting things... more cs grads
> working bugs or more debian developers or more automation or ...?
Which of these can you provide?

Re: What would help the most?

[Lukasz Szybalski]

It's not an AI guy.

This is a question of, as a debian developer @debian.org...what do you need
right now? What would help you?

Example without giving direction..or inserting things... more cs grads
working bugs or more debian developers or more automation or ...?

Thanks
Lucas


On Mon, Oct 30, 2023 at 5:20 AM Imre Nagy  wrote:

> Hmm ...
>
> I did not go deep into this situation, but if you would like to traing an
> agent and/or whatever, most likely you need a valid email address to post
> to a list.
> If this is an agent, it is trained to (by the emails before)
> - use/mimic older members address to show credentibility
> - collect and parse repliers name so the email can be personalized.
>
> These lower your guards.
>
> I think all information can be gathered from the mailing-list public
> archive. So if Syzbalski does not pop up and say, "hey guys, I was drunk
> and texted to my ex and debian lists", I am still considering this being a
> AI training.
>
> Best regars,
> Imre
>
> 2023. 10. 30. 8:52 keltezéssel, Tino Didriksen írta:
>
> That was also my initial reaction - so much so that I discarded the
> original email as Spam, because it hit all the factors in my head. But
> given other people took it seriously, I looked into whether
> szybal...@gmail.com has been active before, and sure enough there are
> mails going back more than a decade.
>
> So evidence would say it's not spam, but still a bizarre set of mails.
>
> -- Tino Didriksen
>
>
> On Mon, 30 Oct 2023 at 07:03,  wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I have the feeling, that this is some kind of semi-AI generated chat.
>> I think we should stop it now.
>>
>> Imre, Nagy
>> 2023. 10. 30. 2:29 keltezéssel, Lukasz Szybalski írta:
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Oct 28, 2023 at 3:41 AM Paul Wise  wrote:
>>
>>> On Fri, 2023-10-27 at 14:00 -0500, Lukasz Szybalski wrote:
>>>
>>> > What is the minimum most value thing that would
>>> > help YOU accomplish your goals for Debian ?
>>>
>>> Check out this page if no-one gives anything more specific:
>>>
>>> https://www.debian.org/intro/help
>>>
>>>
>> Paul, Marc, Andrey
>> Thanks for replying.
>>
>>
>> To narrow it down:
>>
>> *Vision of Debian:*
>> Create a free operating system, freely available for everyone.
>>
>> *Goal:*
>> Coding and Maintaining Packages 
>> Testing and Bug Squashing 
>>
>> *In these 2 goals:*
>> What is the minimum most valuable thing that would help YOU accomplish
>> your goals for Debian ?
>>
>>
>> Thanks
>> Lucas
>>
>>

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Re: ITP: golang-github-microsoft-go-winio -- Win32 IO-related utilities for Go

[Ramūnas Keliuotis]

Hello,

Nilesh, yes, my apologies, first I have to clean up my dependency list.
This ITP should be disregarded. How can I close it?


On Wed, Oct 25, 2023 at 11:12 PM Nilesh Patra  wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
> On Wed, Oct 25, 2023 at 05:13:10PM +0300, Ramūnas Keliuotis wrote:
> > Package: wnpp
> > Severity: wishlist
> > Owner: Ramunas Keliuotis 
> >
> > * Package name: golang-github-microsoft-go-winio
> >   Version : 0.6.1-1
> >   Upstream Author : Microsoft
> > * URL : https://github.com/Microsoft/go-winio
> > * License : Expat
> >   Programming Lang: Go
> >   Description : Win32 IO-related utilities for Go
>
>
> This seems to be a windows specific library - if I'm not mistaken, there
> is no use of this library for debian/any linux distro, yes?
>
> > I am not an owner nor a maintainer of this golang library.
> > This golang package is dependency to my program I am packaging for Debian.
> > Need to wrap this golang library into a Debian package and upload it to SID.
> >
> > I am not sure about the golang packaging into Debian, I submitted a
> > request to get
> > access to go-team Salsa area. Then I can work with `dh-make-golang` and 
> > upload
> > to salsa. But again - what is the sequence of how to proceed?
>
> You need to ask a debian developer to sponsor (upload package on your
> behalf) to unstable, provided your package is in good shape.
>
> You might want to skim quickly through: 
> https://mentors.debian.net/intro-maintainers/
>
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> Just so you know, a couple of ITPs you filed are being submitted to *public* 
> mailing
> lists with several hundreds (if not thousands) of subscribers. You might
> want to delete this footer for mails you send to debian mailing lists.
>
> Best,
> Nilesh

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Re: ITP: golang-github-esiqveland-notify -- notify is a go dbus implementation for delivering desktop notifications over dbus

[Ramūnas Keliuotis]

Stephen, thank you, this was a very useful answer!

Now working on rinsing dependency list, also, some dependencies are
development time as we are using `mage` go based make replacement.

Also, please, see some comments/questions below.

On Sat, Oct 28, 2023 at 9:06 PM Stephen Kitt  wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> On Wed, 25 Oct 2023 09:01:10 +0300, Ramūnas Keliuotis
>  wrote:
> > Was not sure if I'm doing this the right way. Forgive me for creating
> > troubles.
>
> dh-make-golang is the appropriate tool. Don’t worry about API instability,
> it’s well understood in the Go world that v0 releases don’t provide API
> guarantees, and
> https://qa.debian.org/developer.php?email=team%2Bpkg-go%40tracker.debian.org
> shows that there are plenty of v0 Go packages in Debian (even in stable).
>
> Do bear in mind that unstable APIs can create a burden for the maintainer,
> since updates may require bumps to other packages.

Good argument. Thank you.


>
> > I was following the `dh-make-golang` example. I am not the owner of
> > this package, but it is a dependency for my primary golang program
> > NordVPN.
> > Was strange to me that it is an ITP request - it is for the owner or
> > maintainer. Probably this should be an RFP.
>
> If you intend to maintain the package in Debian, then an ITP is appropriate.
> If you’re asking for someone else to maintain the package in Debian, then an
> RFP is appropriate.

Could you give more details on what would mean `maintain the package`?
If I would prepare it for upload, then ask to upload it, polish some
bits if needed, but not any fixing in code as this is a 3rd party
package, not my own.
I guess it would be quicker if I did it by myself. Otherwise I would
need to wait undetermined time for someone to do it as it is not an
interesting package to anyone else.
Will I be obliged to prepare new version upgrades or any other effort
will be needed? Just trying to evaluate the effort needed if I would
take this role.



>
> > `dh-make-golang` program example/tutorial is probably oriented for go
> > package owners or maintainers.
> > Here is that tutorial:
> > https://people.debian.org/~stapelberg/2015/07/27/dh-make-golang.html
> > I found reference to that tutorial in `go-team` packaging page:
> > https://go-team.pages.debian.net/packaging.html
> >
> > Please, advise me how to proceed with packaging third party golang
> > packages which are my golang program's dependencies and are not yet
> > available in Debian SID.
> >
> > Some examples of my dependencies which are not in SID yet:
> > github.com/esiqveland/notify v0.11.2
> > github.com/godbus/dbus/v5 v5.1.0
>
> This one is already packaged: https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/golang-dbus

Right, found it. But only Debian package naming is different from the
established naming system.


>
> > github.com/Microsoft/go-winio v0.6.0 // indirect
>
> As others have mentioned on your ITP for that, it might not be necessary in
> Debian — you need to determine which dependencies are really needed (don’t
> look at go.mod or go mod graph, build the binary you’re interested in and run
> "go version -m" on it).

Thank you! Indeed, have to clean dependencies first.


>
> Regards,
>
> Stephen

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Re: What would help the most?

[Imre Nagy]

Hmm ...

I did not go deep into this situation, but if you would like to traing 
an agent and/or whatever, most likely you need a valid email address to 
post to a list.

If this is an agent, it is trained to (by the emails before)
- use/mimic older members address to show credentibility
- collect and parse repliers name so the email can be personalized.

These lower your guards.

I think all information can be gathered from the mailing-list public 
archive. So if Syzbalski does not pop up and say, "hey guys, I was drunk 
and texted to my ex and debian lists", I am still considering this being 
a AI training.


Best regars,
Imre

2023. 10. 30. 8:52 keltezéssel, Tino Didriksen írta:
That was also my initial reaction - so much so that I discarded the 
original email as Spam, because it hit all the factors in my head. But 
given other people took it seriously, I looked into whether 
szybal...@gmail.com has been active before, and sure enough there are 
mails going back more than a decade.


So evidence would say it's not spam, but still a bizarre set of mails.

-- Tino Didriksen


On Mon, 30 Oct 2023 at 07:03,  wrote:

Hi,

I have the feeling, that this is some kind of semi-AI generated chat.
I think we should stop it now.

Imre, Nagy

2023. 10. 30. 2:29 keltezéssel, Lukasz Szybalski írta:


On Sat, Oct 28, 2023 at 3:41 AM Paul Wise  wrote:

On Fri, 2023-10-27 at 14:00 -0500, Lukasz Szybalski wrote:

> What is the minimum most value thing that would
> help YOU accomplish your goals for Debian ?

Check out this page if no-one gives anything more specific:

https://www.debian.org/intro/help


Paul, Marc, Andrey
Thanks for replying.


To narrow it down:

*Vision of Debian:*
Create a free operating system, freely available for everyone.

*Goal:*
Coding and Maintaining Packages 
Testing and Bug Squashing 

/In these 2 goals:/
What is the minimum most valuable thing that would help YOU
accomplish your goals for Debian ?


Thanks
Lucas

Bug#1055051: ITP: zix -- Zix is a lightweight C library of portability wrappers and data structures

[Sebastian Ramacher]

Package: wnpp
Severity: wishlist
Owner: Sebastian Ramacher 
X-Debbugs-Cc: debian-devel@lists.debian.org, sramac...@debian.org

* Package name: zix
  Version : 0.4.2
  Upstream Contact: David Robillard d...@drobilla.net
* URL : https://gitlab.com/drobilla/zix
* License : 0BSD or ISC
  Programming Lang: C
  Description : Zix is a lightweight C library of portability wrappers and 
data structures

The library is required by the new upstream version of lilv. It was
embedded there before.

Cheers
-- 
Sebastian Ramacher

Re: What would help the most?

[Tino Didriksen]

That was also my initial reaction - so much so that I discarded the
original email as Spam, because it hit all the factors in my head. But
given other people took it seriously, I looked into whether
szybal...@gmail.com has been active before, and sure enough there are mails
going back more than a decade.

So evidence would say it's not spam, but still a bizarre set of mails.

-- Tino Didriksen


On Mon, 30 Oct 2023 at 07:03,  wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I have the feeling, that this is some kind of semi-AI generated chat.
> I think we should stop it now.
>
> Imre, Nagy
> 2023. 10. 30. 2:29 keltezéssel, Lukasz Szybalski írta:
>
>
> On Sat, Oct 28, 2023 at 3:41 AM Paul Wise  wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 2023-10-27 at 14:00 -0500, Lukasz Szybalski wrote:
>>
>> > What is the minimum most value thing that would
>> > help YOU accomplish your goals for Debian ?
>>
>> Check out this page if no-one gives anything more specific:
>>
>> https://www.debian.org/intro/help
>>
>>
> Paul, Marc, Andrey
> Thanks for replying.
>
>
> To narrow it down:
>
> *Vision of Debian:*
> Create a free operating system, freely available for everyone.
>
> *Goal:*
> Coding and Maintaining Packages 
> Testing and Bug Squashing 
>
> *In these 2 goals:*
> What is the minimum most valuable thing that would help YOU accomplish
> your goals for Debian ?
>
>
> Thanks
> Lucas
>
>

Re: What would help the most?

[Andrey Rakhmatullin]

On Mon, Oct 30, 2023 at 07:03:38AM +0100, deb...@hyperborg.com wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I have the feeling, that this is some kind of semi-AI generated chat.
> I think we should stop it now.
Makes sense.