Re: MIA team still alive?

[Amaya]

Norbert Preining wrote:
> I haven;t got any answer, but if there is none in the very near future
> I / the Debian TeX Team will take over xindy and upload a version that
> fixes RC bugs.

Please go ahead. He's clearly MIA.

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Re: delete my resume in your web site

[Amaya]

Nikos Andrikos wrote:
> On another note, is it just me or the links in the following line of the
> bug report are wrong?
> 
> *Bug reassigned from package 'listarchives
> '
> to 'lists.debian.org
> '.*
> Request
> was from Andrei POPESCU  to
> cont...@bugs.debian.org

Yes, the footer generates two 404 links to both the 'listarchives' and
'lists.debian.org' bts pages. 

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Re: delete my resume in your web site

[Amaya]

Jenny zhou wrote:
>  I requested many time. but my resume is still on your web site.

This has been reported as a bug (as per ml policy)
https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=769807

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Re: Please more fish (was: so long and thanks for all the fish)

[Amaya]

Christoph Anton Mitterer wrote:
> So you still could (and perhaps should[0]) reconsider not to leave
> Debian.
> Guess you've read the lists and saw how many people were emotionally
> hit and upset about this.

Joey, I beg you too. Please reconsider.
Still, if it's not fun anymore by all means run away as fast as you can,
but if this still can be fixed, let's try to.

I've told you privately how we met, maybe I didn't tell you how much it
meant to me (in a Debian inspiration way), so doing publicly so now.
It's just awful to see you go like this.

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Re: Time for compassion and the Init GR

[Amaya]

Ian Jackson wrote:
> Sam Hartman writes ("Time for compassion and the Init GR"):
> > [stuff]
> 
> Thanks for putting all of that into words.

Ditto. Very well said.

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Bug#634262: ITP: arpwatch-ng -- Ethernet/FDDI station activity monitor, based on arpwatch

[Amaya Rodrigo Sastre]

Package: wnpp
Severity: wishlist
Owner: Amaya Rodrigo Sastre 

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1

Current arpwatch maintainer will be in the Uploaders field as per
http://lists.debian.org/debian-qa/2007/09/msg00037.html together with Anibal.
Both are Cc:ed on this ITP.

* Package name: arpwatch-ng
  Version : 1.7
  Upstream Author : Freek 
* URL : http://freequaos.host.sk/arpwatch/
* License : GPL-2+
  Programming Lang: C
  Description : Ethernet/FDDI station activity monitor, based on arpwatch

Description: Ethernet/FDDI station activity monitor
  Arpwatch-ng contains arpwatch and arpsnmp. Both utilities monitor Ethernet or
  FDDI network traffic and build databases of Ethernet/IP address pairs, and
  can report certain changes. It is based upon the original arpwatch package,
  improving its behaviour on 64bits hosts. 



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Re: Bug#616317: base: commit= ext3 mount option in fstab has no effect.

[Amaya]

reassign 616317 general
thanks

In http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?msg=9;bug=616317 you
said:

> So I'm going to do the cowardly thing, and choose the third option,
> which is to reassign this back to base, cc'ing debian-devel.  I'm not
> sure what the right thing is to do here, since honoring this feature
> request would require making changes to multiple different packages:
> initramfs-tools, all of the bootloaders, etc.

Well, "base" is for users that do not know where to report complex bugs
like this. This is a perfect case for package "general", for the reasons
you described, so I am reassigning.

Thanks for the useful input on this bug, very clarifying!.

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Re: Reporting same bug in different packages

[Amaya]

Osamu Aoki wrote:
> On Mon, May 02, 2011 at 11:18:45PM +0200, Amaya wrote:
> > I guess I missed it (wonder how on earth...)
> 
> Because you looked at okular first.  

True :)

> okular uses libpoppler-qt4-3 which depends on libpoppler5.
> Even more convoluted for evince.

Absolutely!

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Re: Reporting same bug in different packages

[Amaya]

Mehdi Dogguy wrote:
> Well, both do use libpoppler5… which is a PDF rendering library.

I knew it! :) 
I guess I missed it (wonder how on earth...)

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Re: Reporting same bug in different packages

[Amaya]

Patrick Strasser wrote:
> I want to report a bug, which occurs in two packages (okular, xpdf)
> exactly the same way. It's a problem with rendering PDFs.

Thanks for spotting this bug. Your contribution to Debian is
appreciated.

> What would be the right way:
> * File two bugs and refer to each other in a additional message

I was curious and took a look at these packages' Depends: field, and
they do not share many dependencies. I was suspecting a library would be
culprit in the bad rendering, but this doesn't seem the case, so, IMHO,
I would file a bug with each viewer, so that each code gets fixed. 
Including a reference to the same bug happening with other PDF viewers
would also be fine. Going the extra mile, I'd try this misterious PDF on
other viewers (evince, epdfview...) and report bugs accordingly.
But I'd really try to figure out weather it's not actually a font
problem, or a different kind of issue (which would not belong in a
discussion in debian-devel). 

> If d.devel.general is the wrong group, I beg you all pardon and would
> be thankful for naming a proper group.

I'm inclined to believe that discussing propper BTS handling does belong
here, but I might be wrong, and if so, would like to be corrected.

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Re: Bits from the Release Team - Kicking off Wheezy

[Amaya]

Holger Levsen wrote:
> Do you think a piuparts / policy workshop (or something) is useful at
> DebConf11?

Please! There's never "too much" chocolate, cheese or QA in Debconf :)

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Re: Bits from the Release Team - Kicking off Wheezy

[Amaya]

George Danchev wrote:
> On Friday 29 April 2011 11:46:30 Lucas Nussbaum wrote:
> > - rename 'testing' to 'rolling' to make it clear that it's usable as
> >   a rolling release
> 
> It is also possible that a 'rename' brings no more value, but a
> confusion to the users for unpredictable amount of time.

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Re: Why is help so hard to find?

[Amaya]

Tollef Fog Heen wrote:
> While I have no love for insserv, if you think the whole point of
> dependency based boot (be it insserv, upstart, systemd) is boot speed,
> I think you're mistaken.  It's a part of the goal, but much more
> important is actually correctness.  Getting the dependencies between
> init scripts correct is sometimes hard.

Thanks, it had to be said.
I also hate change, but as you say...

> People have to test, test again and test more and people also have to
> file bugs.  Bugs suck, but they're part of life and complaining about
> decision made a long ago is much less productive than just living with
> them, making the best out of them and filing bugs when things break.

+1

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Re: "Debian women may leave due to 'sexist' post"

[Amaya]

Всеволод Величко wrote:
> That message has been carbon-copied to debian-devel list. I'm not
> reading debian-women list. You think, this discussion should take
> place in d-d? I'm not sure.

That was a honest mistake. I did not realize I was replying to a
cross-post.

> If you're sending something to d-d, be ready that d-d have other
> rules, than d-w.

As in we will not tolerate your girly crap here? 
I dare you to threaten me or any other female again! 


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Re: "Debian women may leave due to 'sexist' post"

[Amaya]

Peter Tuhársky wrote:
> Saying that, I'm glad there are women in Debian community, although I
> don't fully understand their effort to maintain a special "Debian
> Women"  community. There is no "Debian Men" community I know of, and

Oh! Wait! What about the men!

I think you lack some perspective. Debian Men is the *default*
When I joined Debian there were 4 female developers, only one was
active., out of 1000 male ones. I felt weird becasue I was so much into
this 'boy thing'. 

By creating Debian Women, we are sending out the message that it is
definitely ok to be a female and and a geek, and we aim to create
visibility for those female users, developers, contributors... so that
they can serve as 'role models', or inspiration for other males and
females who might be inteested in getting involved. 

Regarding my personal webpage, it has nothing to do with Debian, so it
is offtopic in this discussion. The fact that I am a radical feminist
has nothing to do with Debian Women. I learned about feminism a lot
after Debian Women was created. My sorry attemps to get approval of our
project from male developers can be found in the list archives and proof
I had no idea what I was doing.

When I reflected upon my need for approval, I also found my answer to
the one million dollars question: Why are there so few women in
computing?
For me, the patriachy is an acceptable answer. Find your own, it is an
enlightment trip, and you do not need to aome to my same answer. 

You are right, the images there might be offensive to you as a man.
I am not sorry for that, sorry :) 

Debian Women is a group of women, not a group of feminists. Some of us
are feminists, well, get over it.

If any part of my answer sounds harsh, I am sorry, I didn't intend to. I
did my best over a sloppy ssh connection to be clear, but unapologetic.

I blame the patriarchy for this.

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Re: I hereby resign as secretary

[Amaya]

I absolutely  What Kale said: /me too!

Kalle Kivimaa wrote:
> Manoj Srivastava  writes:
> > As to the people who emailed me that they are putting together a
> >  petition for the DAM to have me removed from the project,
> 
> WHAT?? Could these people step up please and tell us WHY you consider
> expelling Manoj from Debian would be a good thing? Feel free to use
> -private if you think your reasonings shouldn't be public.
> 
> Thanks Manoj for your work as the Secretary. I've not always agreed
> with your decisions but I acknowledge that the post is a difficult one
> and you've been committed to do the best job you can - and it has been
> a very good job on the whole.

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Re: NEW processing

[Amaya]

Clint Adams wrote:
> No, not more power to them.  Conflating unnecessary tasks with privileged
> roles is a bad idea.

100% agreed.

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Re: NEW processing

[Amaya]

Stefano Zacchiroli wrote:
> On Thu, Dec 04, 2008 at 12:29:30AM +0100, Amaya wrote:
> > This imput seems to me the most useful contribution to this thread, Zach
> 
> > could be very much automatic, just as Zach pointed out. An automatic
> 
> /me loves the Spanish pronunciation of my (nick)name :-)

Nah, blame me, for letting búbúlle pamper me with allowing me to
pronounce his nickname as I wish ;)

I assure you Spain has nothing to do with this :)

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Re: NEW processing

[Amaya]

Russ Allbery wrote:
> If you think Lintian is warning about something that it shouldn't warn
> about, please report a bug.  In some cases, it may be that we think that
> you are not maintaining your package the way that we think you should
> based on our understanding of the general Debian consensus, but a lot of
> the time we just didn't realize.  So you should at least make us *say*
> that if that's really the case.  You might be surprised by us agreeing
> with you.  :)

+1

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Re: NEW processing

[Amaya]

Joerg Jaspert wrote:
> Note that we currently are working on integrating lintian into dak in
> a way that lets us autoreject on selected lintian tags. That will help
> NEW a little too, even if NEW is the smallest driving force for this
> change.  But in the same change we *can* go and reject all NEW
> packages that show *any* (unoverridden) lintian E:, that would be a
> large batch already.

Wrong! The overrriden ones should be a lot of fun to look at.

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Re: NEW processing

[Amaya]

Thomas Viehmann wrote:
> In essence, this whole trip through NEW would not have happened if the
> maintainer would actually routinely install his packages before
> uploading. I am all in favor of fast-tracking urgent stuff, but the
> deal should involve the maintainer making extra-sure to get things
> right, too.

I think that understand what the FTP masters do, how they do it, and
the already documented errors that they look for would make us, as
maintainers, be a lot more aware of what can go wrong with our NEW
packages.

That's why I believe that helpful input, in the line of Kalle Kivimaa,
is crucial in order to make their jobs easyer.

Maybe providing some sort of updated unstable to test our packages on,
in case we don't trust that our system has not become too tainted due to
intensive testing, would help. I know some of us do not have the
resources to easily build cleaner testing targets.

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Re: NEW processing

[Amaya]

Kalle Kivimaa wrote:
> Lintian errors are almost always an immediate REJECT, so they don't
> really slow down the process. Warnings slow the process down as then
> I'm required to make a judgement call as to allow the package in or
> not, so I'm much happier if the packager deals with them beforehand.
> 
> debian/control and debian/copyright are the two main files for
> ftpmaster checks, so having those clear and well written makes my job
> faster. debian/changelog needs to have valid information, too.
> debian/rules I check to make sure that it is sane - or at least looks
> like sane. debian/source.lintian-overrides is always checked.

This imput seems to me the most useful contribution to this thread, Zach
came up with a very good idea inmediately.

I think tests are important in our strive for quality, and I think they
could be very much automatic, just as Zach pointed out. An automatic
lintian reject if "E:" saves time for mainainers, ftp-masters and
because of this everyone wins (users also are available to test packages
much sooner).

If we could get every ftp-team involved members in producing this kind
of useful feedback, we could come up with other good ideas as on how to
autmatize these check saving the ftp-team the fustration of reiteration
of simple tasks, so that their job also becomes more interesting and
thus, more motivating. 

I feel this works the same way as "antispam software helps in mailing
list moderation tasks", if you know what I mean.

Keep up this good thread, and think really hard about what of these
tasks are easy to automate, given that get get more input from the
ftp-team.

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Re: SmellyWerewolf.com perfume & make-up discount

[Amaya]

Eduard Bloch wrote:
> * Miriam Ruiz [Mon, Nov 24 2008, 12:07:53AM]:
> > Sorry but Debian is not a men's club and we're not their "chicks".
> 
> Come on, peace! I respect you as woman or man or whoever you are, there
> is no need to polarize the discussion.

Well, you can't simply ask people to not feel offended when they do.
s/sexism/racism and everyone gets the point.

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Re: SmellyWerewolf.com perfume & make-up discount

[Amaya]

Steve Kemp wrote:
>  with debian-women making strides forward it seems this was a step
>  backward.

Same here

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/usr/doc is finished!

[Amaya]

Isn't it amazing that I got this mail on my Birthday?

Now, if he would only use a proper MUA ;)

- Forwarded message from Debian Bug Tracking System <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
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Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 10:45:49 +0200
From: Holger Levsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: happy birthday! /usr/doc is finally gone
User-Agent: KMail/1.9.5
Message-Id: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Hi,

In 1999, Debian began moving /usr/doc to /usr/share/doc to comply with
the FHS. 

In 2005 Joey Hess picked up the leftovers from this task, which in turn where 
picked up by Amaya in 2006. Today I have the honor and fun to close this 
blocker bug, which was used to track this transition and to wish Amaya the 
very best and much more for her birthday :-) I love you! Mucho!

Have a great day and many many more happy days to come! :-)


regards,
Holger

P.S.: there is a lintian check in place to prevent /usr/doc issues to come 
back: 
http://lintian.debian.org/tags/postinst-should-not-set-usr-doc-link.html - 
the last remaining package has been fixed in unstable and is awaiting either 
migration or removal to/from testing.

I don't bother about 
http://lintian.debian.org/tags/readme-debian-mentions-usr-doc.html though I 
think that still speaking about /usr/doc is a sure sign of being behind the 
times... Policy is your friend. Trust the Policy. Love the Policy. Obey the 
Policy.




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Re: NMU versioning

[Amaya]

Kartik Mistry wrote:
> someversion+nmu1, someversion+nmu2 for example see, bzflag package. It
> is at 2.0.10.20071115+nmu1 right now.

Thanks, that answers my question.


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Re: NMU versioning

[Amaya]

James Vega wrote:
> "The version must be the version of the last upload, plus +nmuX, where
> X is a counter starting at 1."

I have found that NMUing native source packages is a bit tricky, as in,
what is the consensuous regarding this increment? Where to increment?

I hope I made myself understood, but I am at loss, not enough caffeine
in bloodstream.

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Re: RFH: piuparts testing of the archive

[Amaya]

Lucas Nussbaum wrote:
> Before the etch release, I did a few piuparts runs on all packages,
> and filed the resulting bugs. I'd like someone to take over that task
> for lenny.

Whoever takes up this task, please keep #322762 updated about findings
related to the /usr/doc symlink transition.

I can't wait to see it go away :)

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Re: triggers wishlist

[Amaya]

Raphael Hertzog wrote:
> And thanks to Guillem for doing the work despite the unfriendly atmosphere
> that some managed to create.

Ditto.

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Re: Mass bug filing: non-UTF8 debian/{control.changelog}

[Amaya]

Amaya wrote:
>  * gmanedit: upload with a new maintainer, hopefully fixing other bugs too by
>  Anibal Alvelar 
>  * unblock of #453954 by #453966, #453982, #453991, #454016, #454027, #454016
>      (Amaya, about to).

Sorry, #453982 should not be marked un-blocking, as gmanedit is
expecting a new upload. 

The rest of the unblocked have just been issued. They will be closed
when the packages leave stable and old-stable. I hope this answers
Bubulle's question at #453966.

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Re: Mass bug filing: non-UTF8 debian/{control.changelog}

[Amaya]

Hey!

Thanks for the status update.

Russ Allbery wrote:
> There are four source packages left with changelog encoding problems:
> 
> http://lintian.debian.org/reports/tags/debian-changelog-file-uses-obsolete-national-encoding.html
> 
> There are no remaining packages with control encoding problems.
> 
> There is one package with a NEWS.Debian encoding problem and 417 packages
> with debian/copyright encoding problems, but those weren't release goals.

According to http://release.debian.org/lenny/goals.txt

# UTF-8 debian/changelog and debian/control
  Advocate: Russ Allbery
  Release-Team-Contact: ??
  Description: Fix all remaining debian/changelog and debian/control
   files which don't use UTF-8. These are easily found by lintian via
   debian-changelog-file-uses-obsolete-national-encoding and
   debian-control-file-uses-obsolete-national-encoding.
  Bug-User: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Bug-Tag: goal-utf8-control
  Bug-Url: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/[EMAIL 
PROTECTED]&tag=goal-utf8-control
  State: confirmed

I think this Release Goal can be changed to "State: finished" very soon.
Another release goal for lenny+1 should be issued inheriting the leftovers from
this one.

The "Bug-Url" field lists several bugs that seem not to exist in sid/testing
anymore:

#453966: xmms-arts: debian/changelog should be utf8
 * [2008-01-20] xmms-arts REMOVED from testing (Britney)
 * [2008-01-20] Removed 0.7.1-4 from unstable (Joerg Jaspert)

#453982: gmanedit: debian/changelog should be utf8
 * Orphaned, still in testing, not sure about unstable. 
 * [2008-02-11] gmanedit 0.3.3-12.1 MIGRATED to testing (Britney)

#453991: gkrellmms: debian/changelog should be utf8
 * [2008-02-29] Removed 2.1.22-1 from unstable (Joerg Jaspert)
 * [2008-01-21] gkrellmms REMOVED from testing (Britney)

#454016: libglade-perl: debian/changelog should be utf8
 * [2008-02-16] glade-perl REMOVED from testing (Britney)
 * [2008-02-15] Removed 0.61-1.1 from unstable (Joerg Jaspert)

#454027: sgmltexi: debian/changelog should be utf8 
 * [2008-01-31] sgmltexi REMOVED from testing (Britney)
 * [2008-01-31] Removed 2003.00.00-2.2 from unstable (Joerg Jaspert)

#454016: libglade-perl: debian/changelog should be utf8
 * [2008-02-16] glade-perl REMOVED from testing (Britney)
 * [2008-02-15] Removed 0.61-1.1 from unstable (Joerg Jaspert)

Maybe these bugs can be closed or marked as non-blocking?
What about gmanedit? I am Cc:ing the ITA for followup. Anibal, do you plan to
upload soon? Could you mark #453982 pending?

Stuff that still needs to happen:
 * radiusclient: NMU (patch at #456870) by Marga (announced Thu, 28 Feb 2008) 
 * gmanedit: upload with a new maintainer, hopefully fixing other bugs too by
 Anibal Alvelar 
 * unblock of #453954 by #453966, #453982, #453991, #454016, #454027, #454016
 (Amaya, about to).

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Re: Mass bug filing: non-UTF8 debian/{control.changelog}

[Amaya]

Bas Zoetekouw wrote:
> I'm planning to file bugs for packages that use non-UTF-8 encodings in
> debian/control and/or debian/copyright.

Can you report on any progress in this?
Is there a bug that already tracks this issue?

Thanks


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Re: Processed: Re: debmake is deprecated

[Amaya]

My bad, all of these package are not found in stable or testing.
Transition is finished. Sorry for the noise.

Debian Bug Tracking System wrote:
> Processing commands for [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
> 
> > owner 469049 Santiago Vila <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Bug#469049: debmake is deprecated
> Owner recorded as Santiago Vila <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>.
> 
> > # see below for explanation
> > severity 372964 important
> Bug#372964: xtranslate: debmake is deprecated
> Severity set to `important' from `normal'
> 
> > severity 372965 important
> Bug#372965: vsound: debmake is deprecated
> Severity set to `important' from `normal'
> 
> > severity 372970 important
> Bug#372970: pilot-template: debmake is deprecated
> Severity set to `important' from `normal'
> 
> > severity 372972 important
> Bug#372972: floppybackup: debmake is deprecated
> Severity set to `important' from `normal'
> 
> > severity 372977 important
> Bug#372977: tkusr: debmake is deprecated
> Severity set to `important' from `normal'
> 
> > severity 372984 important
> Bug#372984: ucbmpeg-play: debmake is deprecated
> Severity set to `important' from `normal'
> 
> > severity 373001 important
> Bug#373001: libwn6: debmake is deprecated
> Severity set to `important' from `normal'
> 
> > block 469049 by 372973
> Bug#372973: cksfv: debmake is deprecated
> Bug#469049: debmake is deprecated
> Was not blocked by any bugs.
> Blocking bugs of 469049 added: 372973
> 
> > block 469049 by 372985
> Bug#372985: af: debmake is deprecated
> Bug#469049: debmake is deprecated
> Was blocked by: 372973
> Blocking bugs of 469049 added: 372985
> 
> > block 469049 by 372986
> Bug#372986: crypt++el: debmake is deprecated
> Bug#469049: debmake is deprecated
> Was blocked by: 372973 372985
> Blocking bugs of 469049 added: 372986
> 
> > block 469049 by 372995
> Bug#372995: biew: debmake is deprecated
> Bug#469049: debmake is deprecated
> Was blocked by: 372973 372985 372986
> Blocking bugs of 469049 added: 372995
> 
> > block 469049 by 372964
> Bug#372964: xtranslate: debmake is deprecated
> Bug#469049: debmake is deprecated
> Was blocked by: 372973 372985 372986 372995
> Blocking bugs of 469049 added: 372964
> 
> > block 469049 by 372965
> Bug#372965: vsound: debmake is deprecated
> Bug#469049: debmake is deprecated
> Was blocked by: 372964 372973 372985 372986 372995
> Blocking bugs of 469049 added: 372965
> 
> > block 469049 by 372970
> Bug#372970: pilot-template: debmake is deprecated
> Bug#469049: debmake is deprecated
> Was blocked by: 372964 372965 372973 372985 372986 372995
> Blocking bugs of 469049 added: 372970
> 
> > block 469049 by 372972
> Bug#372972: floppybackup: debmake is deprecated
> Bug#469049: debmake is deprecated
> Was blocked by: 372964 372965 372970 372973 372985 372986 372995
> Blocking bugs of 469049 added: 372972
> 
> > block 469049 by 372977
> Bug#372977: tkusr: debmake is deprecated
> Bug#469049: debmake is deprecated
> Was blocked by: 372964 372965 372970 372972 372973 372985 372986 372995
> Blocking bugs of 469049 added: 372977
> 
> > block 469049 by 372984
> Bug#372984: ucbmpeg-play: debmake is deprecated
> Bug#469049: debmake is deprecated
> Was blocked by: 372964 372965 372970 372972 372973 372977 372985 372986 372995
> Blocking bugs of 469049 added: 372984
> 
> > block 469049 by 373001
> Bug#373001: libwn6: debmake is deprecated
> Bug#469049: debmake is deprecated
> Was blocked by: 372964 372965 372970 372972 372973 372977 372984 372985 
> 372986 372995
> Blocking bugs of 469049 added: 373001
> 
> > thanks
> Stopping processing here.
> 
> Please contact me if you need assistance.
> 
> Debian bug tracking system administrator
> (administrator, Debian Bugs database)

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Bug#469049: debmake is deprecated

[Amaya]

Package: general
Severity: normal

I am opening this bug to have a tracker for the "debmake is deprecated"
transition progress. See 
http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2006/03/msg00019.html for
details.

The remaining bugs, that will become blockers, tagged important, are:
#372973: cksfv: debmake is deprecated 
#372985: af: debmake is deprecated 
#372986: crypt++el: debmake is deprecated 
#372995: biew: debmake is deprecated 

Need raise severity for:
#372964: xtranslate: debmake is deprecated 
#372965: vsound: debmake is deprecated 
#372970: pilot-template: debmake is deprecated 
#372972: floppybackup: debmake is deprecated 
#372977: tkusr: debmake is deprecated 
#372984: ucbmpeg-play: debmake is deprecated 
#373001: libwn6: debmake is deprecated 



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Bug#438885: Not blocking anymore

[Amaya]

unblock 438885 by 353660
unblock 438885 by 367727
block 438885 by 381485

thanks

[18:21] >> amaya joins #debian-bugs
[18:42] < amaya> so what to do about 
http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=438885?
[18:43] < amaya> linda seems to be "dead" and  jukebox-mercury is only present 
in oldstable
[18:46] < bzed> I'd ignore linda
[18:46] < luk_> I would close the jukebox-mercury bug
[18:46] < bzed> same for the jukebox-mercury stuff, it was removed from 
unstable anyway
[18:47] < luk_> the linda one is indeed a clear sign that linda is not really 
maintained anymore and should probably just be removed

There is still bugs present in oldstable, for reference:
http://lintian.debian.org/reports/tags/maintainer-script-calls-init-script-directly.html

sauce: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=367759
dict-gcide: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=341415
dict-elements: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=348259
dict-jargon: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=348263
net-acct: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=367725
rbootd: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=367729
libroxen-imho: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=367730
iptotal: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=367731
genpower: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=367732
dict-moby-thesaurus: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=367733 
dict-bouvier: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=367737
dict-gazetteer2k-zips: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=367740
battery-stats: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=367745
dict-gazetteer2k-zips: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=367740 
tama: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=367755 
gnudip: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=367762

Important:
lintian: Also check for not using invoke-rc.d in other scripts.
http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=381485



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Re: Intend to hijack rrdtool

[Amaya]

Bernd Zeimetz wrote:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] was pinged several times about updating the package

He is just dead busy, go ahead.

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Re: reporting BTS spam easily from Mutt

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Hamish Moffatt wrote:
> In case it's useful to anyone, here's a quick hack I put together for
> easy BTS spam reporting from mutt.

That is incredibly useful, is tehre any similar tool to report spam
delivered through the Debian Mailing Lists?

Sorry if this has been answered before, I am just starting to keep up
with mail backlog.

Thanks, Hamish!

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Re: Giving away most of my packages

[Amaya]

A brief update:

Amaya wrote:
> - xdigger: http://packages.qa.debian.org/x/xdigger.html
>   No upstream, but easy to maintain.
>   Games team candidate?

Taken by the games team.

> - jail: http://packages.qa.debian.org/j/jail.html
>   There are much better tools out there, maybe RFRemoval?

I will RFR.

> - imsniff: http://packages.qa.debian.org/i/imsniff.html
>   Upstream is a bit unresponsive, otherwise easy to maintain.

Will be orphaned.

> I will still keep subtitleeditor,
> http://packages.qa.debian.org/s/subtitleeditor.html as I still care
> enough for it, but a Co-maintainer would be *very* wellcome. Heck, if
> you really fancy it, I will give it to you

Taken.

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Giving away most of my packages

[Amaya]

Dear developers,

I am sadly (but happily) overwhelmed by work and RL and the time I can
dedicate to Debian has been drastically reduced. 

So I am giving away my packages to sweet, loving and caring maintainers:

- xdigger: http://packages.qa.debian.org/x/xdigger.html
  No upstream, but easy to maintain.
  Games team candidate?

- jail: http://packages.qa.debian.org/j/jail.html
  There are much better tools out there, maybe RFRemoval?

- imsniff: http://packages.qa.debian.org/i/imsniff.html
  Upstream is a bit unresponsive, otherwise easy to maintain.

I still need to issue requests to be removed from the uploaders field
for: amaya, fkiss, gnomekiss, libirman, lirc, mencal, perforate,
and piuparts. If you are in any of these teams, please remove my name
from the uploaders field.

I will still keep subtitleeditor, 
http://packages.qa.debian.org/s/subtitleeditor.html
as I still care enough for it, but a Co-maintainer would be *very*
wellcome. Heck, if you really fancy it, I will give it to you

This is not a "Good bye Debian" email. I still plan to continue working
on QA and transitions listed at http://wiki.debian.org/AmayaRodrigo, but
at a slower pace, and in a "I got a spare afternoon, let's send some
patches" fashion, but don't expect that to happen very often. 

Regarding my sponsorees, I am also "orphaning" them. If you use and like
any of the packages I sponsor, feel free to offer yourself for
sponsorship, (see: http://qa.debian.org/developer.php?login=amaya for
details), but please keep me in the loop. 

I am specially worried about twiki, with a security bug (CVE-2007-5193,
#444982) and a ready fix, that I simpply don't have the time to review
for upload (It took me already too long to find time to write this
email). 

Remember not to feed the trolls while I am away, and expect me back with
full force by the beginning of next year :)

Happy hacking!

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Re: Bug#441301: ITP: url2file -- wget a URL into a file an print the filename

[Amaya]

Loic Dachary wrote:
>   Description : wget a URL into a file an print the filename
 ~~
 and?
>url2file - wget a URL into a file an print the filename

Same here.

>The file of the file in the cache directory is printed on the
 ~~~
 filename?

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Re: Bug#438885: Mass bug filling: must use invoke-rc.d

[Amaya]

Felipe Sateler wrote:
> But oldstable has 2.86.ds1-1. I thought that only direct upgrades were
> supported. I guess the conditional is indeed redundant.

It may be, but keeping backwards compatibility in this case can't hurt
much. Although I'd like to hear other opinions on this.

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Bug#438885: Mass bug filling: must use invoke-rc.d

[Amaya]

Package: general
Severity: serious

As of Debian Policy Manual version 3.7.2, the use of invoke-rc.d to
run init.d scripts has been made mandatory. Earlier, its use was
strongly recommended.

In most cases the fix should be simple, replace this:

/etc/init.d/package 

with this:

if which invoke-rc.d >/dev/null 2>&1; then
invoke-rc.d package 
else
/etc/init.d/package 
fi

On May 13 and 14, I checked all packages in Debian sid, and found
that your package needs to be changed because of this policy change.
This bug is part of a mass-filing to get all such bugs fixed.
(See discussion starting at [1].)

[1] http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2006/05/msg00577.html



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Re: Debian French localisation team completes the translation of debconf screens

[Amaya]

Christian Perrier wrote:
> As of March 3rd 2007, all packages in Debian unstable that have
> translatable debconf templates are translated into French [1].

Go bubullei (and team), go!

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Re: I *love* goodbye-microsoft.com

[Amaya]

Russell Coker wrote:
> On Friday 23 February 2007 19:58, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > perhaps you should consider goodbye-fedora.org too ;-)
> 
> Converting from Fedora to Debian is not a challenge, merely run
> debootstrap from a root shell.

Alternatively, install debtakeover:
http://freshmeat.net/projects/debtakeover/
http://www.hadrons.org/~guillem/debian/debtakeover/README

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Re: Review for NMU for mrd6

[Amaya]

Marco d'Itri wrote:
> Hugo is the upstream maintainer of mrd6 and he committed it, so it
> should be correct.

Yes, and thanks! We managed to get in contact with Hugo and he's already
half-tricked into adopting mrd6 :)

Happy hacking!

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Re: Review for NMU for mrd6

[Amaya]

Hi there, 

Anand Kumria <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> seems to be MIA and Laurent has a
patch ready for an NMU.

I do not know mrd6 well enough and I would appreciate input for the
patch Laurent provided at #394590.

Laurent Bigonville wrote:
> On Mon, 19 Feb 2007 22:45:43 +0100 Amaya <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Hi Laurent,
> > In the meantime, if you'd like to help with his packages, maybe you
> > can reply to bugs yourself, test patches, and help the QA team
> > prepare NMUs or fixes, or if you want to adopt some of his package
> > now, you are more than welcome to do so, no need to be a DD either.
> >
> > If you need a sponsor for this fixes, just ping us.
> 
> Well I've already made patch[1] for the mrd6 package, the problem is
> that nobody on debian-mentors want to upload my NMU due to the
> severity of the bug :/ But I'm still thinking that this should be
> fixed before etch release. Could you upload[2] it for me? I don't want
> to adopt this package now because I don't use it ATM.
> 
> Regards
> 
> Laurent
> 
> [1] http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=394590
> [2]
> http://mentors.debian.net/debian/pool/main/m/mrd6/mrd6_0.9.5-release-1.1.dsc

Input on this patch is very welcome, as is an NMU/adopter to finally fix
this issue.

Thanks in advance!


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Re: Seeking for Adrian Bridgett

[Amaya]

I provided Christian with alternate email addresses from the MIA
database.


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Re: Handling of (inactive) Debian Accounts

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Manoj Srivastava wrote:
> So what is your oh-so-elegant solution to the MIA account problem? 

Humans problems have no technical solution.

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Re: Handling of (inactive) Debian Accounts

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Manoj Srivastava wrote:
> I think the difference is that the MIA process is too
> conservative, 

It starts off being polite, indeed. And patient. You never know the
reason why a person is not so active anymore. Tbm gave a talk about how
it is done and why it is done like that in Oslo, 2003 (Debconf3). Worth
seeing. 

> and does not require an positive action on the part of maintainers, 

Yes, it does. They need to fix their packages, or they get orphaned.
When no packages are left, we talk to DAM.

> and starts with the default that all maintainers are active.

Yes. That's the deafult state for any DD, even when you file a bug in
their packages.

> Looking at people who vote for a DPL means that the DD's have to take
> an active role in indicating that they are present.

I was technically MIA for quite a bit, and still voted. 

> How many other MIA people are undiscovered by our current process? 

I'm sure there are plenty. And I *do* want to believe that no more than
25% of us are MIA. There's currently aprox 650 entries in the MIA db.
This does not mean that they are MIA now, but that they have been at
some point. This means people come and go in and out of MIA, and it's
just life.

> Have you considered that most of the other half are not around, and
> that our MIA process has not found them out?

I am not opposed to this as long as it is done in sync with MIA. I see
no reason to bother people twice about the same issue by different
Debian teams. Redundancy of data makes it harder to track people down,
imho.

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Re: Handling of (inactive) Debian Accounts

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Hi, there

Joerg Jaspert wrote:
> To reduce the security risk an unused open account has, and also to
> get the number of Developers to reflect the reality, we, the Debian
> Account Managers, decided to do regular "WaT"[2] runs.

Are you familiar with the MIA Team work? How is this work insufficient
that this extra check needs to be implemented? Have you tought of a way
to integrate the results of your tool into the MIA database?

I tend to welcome this efforts, but I see this as a "let's reinvent the
wheel" thing. 

Maybe this could be triggered by request of the MIA team, instead of by
not voting? AFAIK, only around half of the DDs vote.

Thanks!

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Re: possible problem with ftp.us.debian.org

[Amaya]

Wesley J. Landaker wrote:
> Months; 

Confirmed.

> I've had to switch 10's of clients to use ftp.debian.org instead since
> I've been getting intermittant problems like this with
> ftp.us.debian.org since ~ October last year.

[EMAIL PROTECTED]>head /etc/hosts
#35.9.37.225http.us.debian.org
128.101.240.212 http.us.debian.org

I switch between the two of them. They are the two that work best.
Which reminds me that I should switch to a European Mirror :)


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Bug#322762: no blocking bugs anymore

[Amaya]

Joey Hess wrote:
> I note that we still arn't 100% sure we've caught every last upgrade
> issue involving /usr/doc, since AFAIK puiparts has not been used to
> test upgrades of everything.

Pity :(

> Also, I see that there are still some lintian warnings about it at
> http://lintian.debian.org/reports/Tpostinst-should-not-set-usr-doc-link.html
> but I guess these are obsolete, since it was last updated in August. I
> spot-checked a couple of packages and they seem fixed.

More up2date findings:
http://merkel.debian.org/~ballombe/lintian-etch-i386/reports/Tpostinst-should-not-set-usr-doc-link.html
Still obsolete packages, though.

> Yes, I think it's time to reassign it to base-files, to get the
> directory removed on upgrade if it's empty.

Yay!

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Re: Bug#322762: no blocking bugs anymore

[Amaya]

Santiago Vila wrote:
> No, the next step is to close the bug and celebrate it.

As love ly as it sounds, I'd like to see what piuparts has to say about
it :)

But att the pace we are moving (piuparts) I expect to fix this in
a different release.

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Re: Announce: zerotools (tools to keep virtual machine disks cleaner)

[Amaya]

Hi, Aleksandr

Aleksandr Koltsoff wrote:
> Zerotools are a set of tools to aid keeping virtual disks clean (by
> filling binary zero to those regions which are no longer in "use").

I maintain the package perforate. It contains a very similar utility,
zum, that is just a small c binary that seems to do the same.

This package is no longer maintained upstream, so you might be
interested in looking at the source for zum.c (8 kb) and maybe tell me
if this is superseeded by your Zerotools application, which sounds very
likely to me.

Also take a look at http://bugs.debian.org/294297 and be warned that
these kind of utilities can ruin a vfat file system (just warning you
in case you have not thought about it). 

BTW, patches or a new upstream would be very welcome :)

Happy hacking!

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Re: db.debian.org (and related infrastructure) updates

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Steve Langasek wrote:
> But if all of our Japanese, Chinese, Greek Orthodox, Muslim, and
> French Revolutionary developers can tolerate having to enter their
> birthdates using the Gregorian calendar, I think we'll be able to make
> do with an opt-in binary gender classification too.

ROTFL
You are so damn right! I will shut up now! :*

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Re: db.debian.org (and related infrastructure) updates

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Kevin Mark wrote:
> Whats the use for such data? for postal mail? For gift giving? I've
> yet to see anyone in cyberspace address someone as 'genderqueer' or
> 'male',YMMV.

Yeah, I also wonder what this LDAP field is good for, but if we are
going to have it, let's make it, at least, accurate.

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Re: db.debian.org (and related infrastructure) updates

[Amaya]

Alexey Feldgendler wrote:
> What other kinds of gender are there? It would be interesting to see
> some  examples.

I paste some email I already privately answered.

Someone wrote:
> Wildly OT, but don't people generally self identify more with one
> gender or the other?

If "generally" equals "white and rich" (as in clean tab water), yes.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender#Sex
Gender can refer to the (biological) condition of being male or
female, or less commonly hermaphrodite or neuter, which are
missing.
Not everywhere else: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_gender

Then you have
- Queer (term used to describe a sexual orientation and/or gender
  identity or gender expression that does not conform to heteronormative
  society).
- Gender bender (informal term used to refer to a person who actively
  transgresses, or "bends," expected gender roles)
- Transgender (individuals, behaviors, and groups involving tendencies
  that diverge from the normative gender role (woman or man) commonly,
  but not always, assigned at birth, as well as the role traditionally
  held by society)
- Postgenderism (Advocates of postgenderism argue that the presence of
  gender roles, social stratification, and sexual dimorphisms are
  generally to the detriment of individuals and society, arguing that
  masculinity and femininity are oppressive social constructs)
- Genderfuck is a gender performance which "fucks with" or plays with
  traditional gender identities, gender roles, and gender presentation.
- Genderqueer (someone who identifies as a gender other than "man" or
  "woman," or someone who identifies as neither, both, or some
  combination thereof)

> [I really don't knwo what the proper terms would be that didn't
> conflate both gender and phenotypic sex (which of course, is distinct
> from genetic sex.)]

Me neither, that's why an input field feels less strict to me, and more
welcoming to all individuals.

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Re: db.debian.org (and related infrastructure) updates

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Nicolas Boullis wrote:
> What about gender? How is it specified?

Currently it is a drop down that allows you to choose:
- unspecified
- male
- female

Which in my opinion reflects sex and not gender.

I would rather have it as an input field where people can express their
gender in the way they want to, as gender has little to do with
biological sex, and there's more than two options for it. 

Please correct me if I am wrong.


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Re: List of packages with problems wrt release

[Amaya]

Lucas Nussbaum wrote:
> Amaya Rodrigo Sastre <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>   amaya (U): in unstable (9.51-2.1) but not in testing.

I was removed from testing!? Are you guys releasing without me? :)

>   twiki (U): has RC bugs (#402817)

This has been fixed, and there is also a security upload in the way,so
please do not remove it from testing yet. I will request hinting when
the package has been fixed.

Thanks

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Bug#402351: ITP: imsniff -- Simple program to log Instant Messaging activity on the network

[Amaya]

Package: wnpp
Severity: wishlist
Owner: Amaya Rodrigo Sastre <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

* Package name: imsniff
  Version : 0.04
  Upstream Author : Carlos Fernandez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
* URL : http://sourceforge.net/projects/im-snif/
* License : GPLv2
  Programming Lang: C++
  Description : Simple program to log Instant Messaging activity on the 
network

The imsniff program can be used to log IM activity on the network. It uses
libpcap to capture packets and analyzes them, logging conversation, contact
lists, etc.

Users connecting after imsniff is started can get pretty good results,
including complete contact lists and events (displaying a name change, for
example). Users already connected will be able to get the conversations, but
will miss the other information.

The only required parameter is the interface name to listen to. This can be any
interface that libpcap supports. A sample imsniff.conf.sample file is included.


-- System Information:
Debian Release: 4.0
  APT prefers unstable
  APT policy: (990, 'unstable'), (1, 'experimental')
Architecture: i386 (i686)
Shell:  /bin/sh linked to /bin/bash
Kernel: Linux 2.6.18-3-k7
Locale: LANG=en_US.UTF-8, LC_CTYPE=es_ES.UTF-8 (charmap=UTF-8) (ignored: LC_ALL 
set to en_US.UTF-8)

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Re: Hijacking ITA: sa-exim

[Amaya]

Magnus Holmgren wrote:
> On Friday 10 November 2006 13:23, Magnus Holmgren wrote:
> > Can I take this package anyway? I use it since I feel it still has
> > something Exim's built-in "spam" ACL condition (also known as
> > exiscan) doesn't offer; namely, more flexibility in the adding of
> > X-Spam headers.

Please go ahead, and procceed. Anand can join you when he is less busy
or more responsive. Retitle the bug accordingly, change the owner and
please give sa-exim lots of love.

Happy hacking!

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Re: Seeking sponsor for MaxDB r-c upload

[Amaya]

Hi Martin,


Martin Kittel wrote:
> the upload of the latest maxdb-7.5.00 package that fixes a
> release-critical bug for etch (#398413).


I will sponsor your upload.

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Re: Bug#397715: ITP: dudki -- a process maintenance daemon

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Hi, Emmanuel

dudki sounds interesting!

Emmanuel Bouthenot wrote:
>  Dudki! is a process maintenance daemon that checks whether
>  certain processes are running (based on pidfiles) and, if
>  needed, tries to restart them. It supports a self-test
>  commandline invocation which can be used in a cron job.

Can you briefly explain the differences or advantages over monit?

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Re: IPW3945

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Daniel Baumann wrote:
> Philippe Cloutier wrote:
> > See #363967. I heard some doubts about panthera's ability to handle
> > more stuff, so maybe you can offer help.
> 
> thanks you for your trust in me, this makes me very happy.

Daniel, don't take this personally, don't be unhappy. I know your TODO
list is huge, I also know you are going through it, at the best pace you
can, specially so close to the releseaseof Etch, and you do know I have
offered you my help several times :* 
It is still available for you whenever you need me. Just ping me.

Philippe, we (Daniel, me, and the whole Debian community) welcome your
patches, your testing and comments on the available ones, and welcome
encouragement messages, such as thanking Daniel for all the hard work he
has done so far and will keep doing in the future.

Philippe, I also encourage you to read
http://blog.daniel-baumann.ch/2006/09/04#20060904_missing-you and
understand that we, the people who put our limited free time and
sometimes scarce energy in Debian, are humans too. 

I value Daniel's work, I value his dedication, and I personally benefit
from his work. I have also danced Tango with him, and it was a pleasure.

Thanks.

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Re: Lots of (easily recognisible) spam sent to the BTS today

[Amaya]

Hi, Hamish

Hamish Moffatt wrote:
> I wrote a trivial perl script to which I pipe in BTS spams from mutt;
> it extracts the bug number from the Subject then runs the bts program.

URL? ;)

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Re: [help] Tix: seeking advice for #394635

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Piotr Ozarowski wrote:
> dh_compress -X.macros

Thanks, that was helpful.


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Re: [help] Tix: seeking advice for #394635

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Also lintian is screaming at me for various reasons:
http://www.amayita.com/debian/1_sponsored/tix/lintian

The only ones I can't fix are the $CURSE broken manpages. 
Or the $CURSE broken way I am trying to make them work.

Thanks again for any hint.

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Re: [help] Tix: seeking advice for #394635

[Amaya]

Hi Matthew,

Matthew Vernon wrote:
> So you've put the macros file as /usr/share/man/tixman.macros. That's
> sensible. 

Thanks for confirming this.

> Now you want the manpages to use this file?
> The thing to do is to edit the man-pages to the line that says:
> .so man.macros
> becomes:
> .so tixman.macros
> Doing this with sed in the rules file should be pretty
> straightforward. 

I already did that by hand. I guess I am a bit dumb when it comes to
automating stuff.

The problem is that the macros file gets installed as:
/usr/share/man/tixman.macros.gz

My concern is that this file gets compressed, and I have tried to
manually uncompress it, and leave it compressed. There seems to be no
difference in how the manpages are displayed. Or I can't really spot it.

Any advice?

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[help] Tix: seeking advice for #394635

[Amaya]

Hi there, fellow DDs, Debian enthusiasts and groff experts,

I am looking at #394635. My eyes are starting to bleed. This bug is not
even RC, but it is ugly, and I would hate to ship Etch with it.

All the man pages for this package use macros, sitting in a file called
man.macros. I have no idea where to install this file, or how to tell
the man pages where to look for this file once I manage to install it
somewhere that is not insane and ugly.

My falied attempts to bring some sanity to this issue are found here:
http://www.amayita.com/debian/1_sponsored/tix/old/tix-8.4.0/debian/rules

I would very much appreciate a patch, pointer, hint, or hug.

Thanks in advance!

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Re: Please upload NMU of tix package to close #360920

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Hi there, Matthias, Michael

Michael Hanke wrote:
> tags 360920 patch

Matthias, I will review this package and sponsor the NMU. I will then
upload to the delayed-1 queue. I hope you have no problem with this.


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Re: Bug mass filling

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Anthony Towns wrote:
> Please hold off on filing them for a few days, so I can add
> usertag-on-submit support to debbugs, so that it should be possible to
> automatically track this stuff, and easily avoid filing duplicate bugs
> if they're not fixed the next time bugs get filed.

Thanks, AJ. That is just what I was about to ask for :)


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Re: Bug mass filling

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Miriam Ruiz wrote:
> Why don't we all try to calm down and get less paranoid?

I hope there are big Finnish saunas in Edinburgh. 
I think we all need to gather for a hot sauna next DebConf.

We should change this "you can't flame people you have had sauna with"
to "you can't flame me until you've had sauna with me" :)

> Most of us are nice people with just strong feelings about their
> ideas, but I guess it might be nice for all of us to learn how to
> empathyse and respect other's ideas, and think for a moment that other
> people might also good reasons for them, as not everything is black or
> white.

What I do as an exercise in order to improve the skills you mention,
empathy, respect, the feel of pleasure from working with others, is to
work with the people I sponsor. 

They provide manpower and skills I lack, they fix bugs I have no time to
look at, while I learn from them as they learn from me. I make mistakes
they forgive me for, they make mistakes I can help them fix. It is
something I encourage you all to do. Take a sponsoree and be his/her
mentor. It's good for the karma.

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Re: Does anybody know where Janez Rabzelj Zappone is?

[Amaya]

Carlos Martín Nieto wrote:
>  I ask because he took (or was going to anyway) maintainership of the
> package blam, but this was about a month ago and no new version has
> been uploaded.

I am not so sure, he doesn't look like he intends to adopt blam:
http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=387945
I think he just 

>  I sent him an e-mail a few days ago but he hasn't replied. There is
> already a package ready which fixes at least two of the RC bugs, and
> perhaps another or two as a side-effect.

Great job!

>  I'm not looking forward to hijacking a package, but with four RC bugs
>  and the release of etch closing in, I don't see another way to
>  include it in etch.

I'd say go ahead. We need to release etch with a working blam version.
He can always help you co-maintain if he is interested.

>  So, if anybody knows that he is working on it, please speak up,
> otherwise I will be requesting a sponsor for an updated blam package.

You just found your sponsor, email me in private.

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Re: Is Stan Vasilyev MIA?

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Bas Wijnen wrote:
> http://www.debian.org/doc/developers-reference/ch-beyond-pkging.en.html#s-mia-qa,
> and that mentions debian-devel should be asked before [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Also, Cc:ing the guy or the bug number is nice.

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Re: Help with piuparts?

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Bill Allombert wrote:
> I am certainly interested helping with piuparts but I am not confident
> I understand where you would like the project to go. 

Count me in! (See a longer email I wrote on this some minutes ago).

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Re: Bug#390754: O: piuparts -- .deb package installation, upgrading, and removal testing tool

[Amaya]

Hi,

I have been wanting to answer to your emails about piuparts sooner, but
I was unable to.

As you are already aware of, I am very interested in getting to know
piuparts much better, to make it part of my QA efforts. I have not been
able to yet.

Lars Wirzenius wrote:
> [...] I am overcommited with regard to time and responsibilities

This is where I also find myself now. I am neglecting some of my
packages (such as lirc, and aurel32 just annouced that he is dedicating
less time to Debian, which also hurts lirc, I am so grateful to hector
for all he is doing here, and the rest of the team, also), and my
transitions ;)

My work life has got very demmanding lately and I also plan to take some
time off computers when this work peak goes away, to get rid of the
stress. 

> [...] predictions of my leaving Debian are premature.

I don't even think anyone is speculating about this. But I might have
missed something, since I am so busy.

Are you trying to avoid getting that wonderful tattoo you promised to
get when we *release on time* (I know we will) by running to the woods?
;)

In short, I am in no position at the moment to adopt piuparts, I lack
the skills to become upstream, but if a group is started I will be very
happy to join it and work in piuparts when my availability does not
suck.

Thanks for the fish!

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Re: Free flash player for your browser (Was: Running x86-64 debian inside i386 pbuilder on AMD64)

[Amaya]

Wouter Verhelst wrote:
> On Tue, Sep 26, 2006 at 04:38:51AM -0500, Gunnar Wolf wrote:
> [on gnash]
> > In my experience, it will even _require_ AMD64 or similar CPUs to
> > display even trivial pages.
> 
> Isn't that a given for anything even remotely related to flash?

Exactly, it is not like the propietary flash-player is exactly "light".
I am not sure whether it is the player, certain animations or what, but
it is not uncommon for the non-free player to report 100% CPU usage.

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Re: Debian cares more about documents than people

[Amaya]

alfredo diega wrote:
> Well, I guess it isn't fair.  Look, have any of you ever sent an email
> out of frustration, then wish you could take it back?  I am sorry, I
> hope somebody will forgive me.

We all have, no big deal.

> I just need to loose my pride and switch to Ubuntu.

No, you just need to have a good laugh about this all. I suggest:

http://uncyclopedia.org/wiki/Debian
http://uncyclopedia.org/wiki/Ubuntu

I think humor comes in handy to deal with hardware pain ;)

I have a tshirt that says: 
  "Debian: Good things come to those who...  wait". 
I love it beacuse it is both fun and true. Things may work a bit
differently here, but we do care about our users. I think freedom is
important to our users, and while I also understand your fustration, we
do emphazise freedom. 

I guess you were "blessed" with an ugly piece of hardware with freedom
issues in its support. It is going to take some time until it is ready,
probably in a part of our archive that is labeled as non-free, and
maybe, as you own this hardware, you might even be interested in helping
out, if you are not so angry anymore, at least at the later testing
stages. Both distros would benefit from this work, btw.

Have fun!

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Re: ITP: subtitleeditor -- Graphical subtitle editor with sound waves representation

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Peter Samuelson wrote:
> This program also shows sound waves, which makes it easier to
> synchronise subtitles to voices.
> 
> No need to mention the competitors, really.

Changed, thanks. There is always this "how will the user know what to
install?" thingy. That's what I was trying to solve without realizing
apt* and friends would show false positives.

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Re: ITP: subtitleeditor -- Graphical subtitle editor with sound waves representation

[Amaya Rodrigo Sastre]

Amaya Rodrigo Sastre wrote:
>  This program also shows soundwaves which makes it easier for
>  subtitles synchronisation that most other subtitle editors like
 
>  ksubtile or gaupol.
So, now that I read this aloud, is it "that" or "than" here? 
Nah, the description should definitely be improved.

Preliminary work can be found at
http://www.amayita.com/debian/subtitleeditor 
but don't expect an upload until next week. 

BTW, Co-maintainers are most welcome!

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ITP: subtitleeditor -- Graphical subtitle editor with sound waves representation

[Amaya Rodrigo Sastre]

In reply to a RFP, and with the idea of creating subtitles for the talks given
in Spanish during Debian Day at Debconf6, found at 
http://meetings-archive.debian.net/pub/debian-meetings/2006/debconf6/theora-small/2006-05-13/tower/
I intend to package subtitleeditor.

* Package name: subtitleeditor
  Version : 0.9
  Upstream Author : IDJAAD djamel (aka kitone) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
* URL : http://kitone.free.fr/subtitleeditor/
* License : GPL
  Programming Lang: C++
  Description : Graphical subtitle editor with sound waves representation

 Subtitle Editor is a GTK+2 tool to edit subtitles.  It can be used for new
 subtitles or as a tool to transform, edit, correct and refine existing
 subtitles.
 .
 This program also shows soundwaves which makes it easier for subtitles
 synchronisation that most other subtitle editors like ksubtile or gaupol.
 .
 Author: IDJAAD djamel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
 Homepage: http://kitone.free.fr/subtitleeditor/


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Re: NMU for mantis - new upstream and some bugfixes

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Hi Daniel,

I see you made a great job out of mantis. You are so enthusiastic that
I could not make you wait. There are still some issues that I want to
discuss with you (ie, the changelog should be improved). 

But let's take this off-list and talk in private. 

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Re: NMU for mantis - new upstream and some bugfixes

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Daniel Knabl wrote:
> If my "work" is welcome - as I hope - then I will try to go on with
> it.  If it is NOT, or if it is of too low quality, then just ignore my
> tries.

The quality is not really a big issue here, it can be improved with
time.  What I would like to see is some degree of commitment for
maintaining mantis in the future, or helping co-maintain it, if the
original maintainer comes back.

If this is the case, I'd be happy to sponsor your work, but I would
first take some time to look at your package, but my availability atm is
low, as I am in holidays. I could look at it, maybe on monday, and then
work with you until it is ready for upload. 

In the meantime you might want to look at my sponsoring checklist, taken
from other sponsors, at the bottom of my wiki page:
http://wiki.debian.org/AmayaRodrigo and maybe fix some common mistakes
this weekend. Specially as this is a new upstream release, a thorough
look at the licenses and files in the source, making sure there are no
files there under a different license, would be great. Check:
http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2003/12/msg7.html and
http://ganneff.de/blog/2005/10/23#new for great insight on this.

On the other hand if you are able to find a quicker sponsor in the
meantime, just go ahead. I suggest using the debian-mentors mailing
list for this.

Thanks for giving mantis some love!

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Re: Why does Ubuntu have all the ideas?

[Amaya]

Eduard Bloch wrote:
> I know that feeling, and IMO it can be enjoyable: getting things done
> without investing own effort into them ;-)

I have not been NMUed in hostile way (yet), maybe I am not prone to
seeing it like a hostile behaviour, because I take it as "this person
cares about $PACKAGE, thank $DEITY, help is on the way!".

I know other developers react similarly. But good communication i a
must.

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Re: Why does Ubuntu have all the ideas?

[Amaya]

Eduard Bloch wrote:
> Have you set a proper ultimatum and have you made understandable that
> you are going to NMU? I usually do it this way so the terms are clear
> for both sides. And/or using delayed upload to not forget about the
> time period.

I personally fear that using NMUs as threats (I am not saying that you
do) contributes to some extent to this "Do not NMU my packages" trend.

> And I also had cases where someone NMUed my package after three days
> or so without warnings, and IIRC without posting a final diff. That
> sucks!

Completely! On the other hand, as a game, I have even sponsored NMUs of
my own packages. But of course, YMMV.

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Re: Why does Ubuntu have all the ideas?

[Amaya]

martin f krafft wrote:
> I am finding lots of interesting points in other people's replies.

Yes, I am also surprised about the civil tone (on most of the replies).

> I think the discussion so far has been much constructive. Whether we
> are going to let it deteriorate to a flame fest or not will largely
> serve to show whether Debian has learnt something over the past
> years or not.

100% agreed. I wonder if the "Huge Troll Warning" had any effect. 

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Re: Why does Ubuntu have all the ideas?

[Amaya]

Marco d'Itri wrote:
> It's sad that many people replied this way when it's obvious that
> Debian has stopped innovating long ago.

There is plenty of ways to express any opinion, and imho, the approach
taken here is not the most constructive, as several other people have
already pointed out.  

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Re: Why does Ubuntu have all the ideas?

[Amaya]

Huge Troll Warning

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Bug#322762: Done in NMU

[Amaya]

tags 322762 fixed
thanks

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Re: The correct use of debian-devel

[Amaya]

Cesare Leonardi wrote:
> In particular, the primary question is: Who can write on debian-devel?

http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/
Discussion about technical development topics. (High-volume mailing
list.)

This list is not moderated; posting is allowed by anyone.

(I would add: Anyone who knows how to quote).

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Re: RFA: lirc - Linux Infra-red Remote Control support

[Amaya]

Steve Langasek wrote:
> In that case, you probably want to open a RFA bug rather than an O bug.

Yep. I got #364606 now.

Really, people, nobody wants a beautiful lirc package?

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Re: O: lirc - Linux Infra-red Remote Control support

[Amaya]

Guus Sliepen wrote:
> You should file a wnpp bug. 

Not yet, I wanted to know if there was any interest before just leaving
it out in the cold. Well, maybe you are right, maybe filing this wnpp
bug is not as bad as it feels to me :) But... I have tried before to set
up a co-maintainance group, and somewhat failed.

There's an alioth project, Hector worked on lirc and most of the real
nasty bugs are gone now, I still need to do house cleaning, and would
like to remain in the packaging group, but not as lead bottleneck^W
developer. 

> Since I'm also the maintainer of the inputlirc package, I could adopt
> this package, but I'd rather let someone else who (still) uses
> homebrewn receivers adopt it. 

Yes, that would be nice + makes a lot of sense. 

> Let me know if noone else steps up.

I will. 

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O: lirc - Linux Infra-red Remote Control support

[Amaya]

I am orphaning lirc, it deserves a better maintainer.
Please contact me if you are interested. 

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Re: Bug#360285: ITP: libjoey -- forks itself and does several things at the same time

[Amaya]

Steinar H. Gunderson wrote:
> I'd like the source for Joey, please. :-)

Formorer, please clarify with upstream, I have heard (today) that
libjoey is not 100% free, as in DFSG-free. 

A concerned developer and browser,

    Amaya

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Re: We want to honestly apoligize to the whole Debian Community

[Amaya]

Gregg Coner wrote:
> Our actions in the Debian Mailing Lists were uncalled for.  We honestly
> regret everything we said and did. 

Good, now please just stop. 

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Re: For those who care about stable updates (update)

[Amaya]

Florian Haas wrote:
> Joey did not quit because he woke up this morning and didn't feel like
> doing the work.

Yes, that is an issue that really has to be discussed in a civil manner
and in more depth. The issue I am refering to is, again, the fragile
equilibrium between meritocracy and elected delegates. People that hold
key positions in the project. 

And I am very sorry to bring this up in such a painful moment, but I am
afraid Joey himself has sometimes behaved in the same way that he so
bitterly complains James Troup behaved. With plenty of differences,
sure. And in no way I am trying to dissmiss the huge amount of work and
time I am sure both have put into their respective tasks. 

But as far as I see (again biased by my own perception, lack of
information and the alignment of Venus/Jupiter) both have issues
with delegating, or acknowledging being overworked. 

I do have these same issues myself, I guees, we all do. No big deal,
because my role is, fortunately for the project, not key to the project.

I wonder if it is a control issue after all, on top of this lack of
transparency and feedback. 

Just my thoughts, not judging anyone.

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Re: For those who care about stable updates

[Amaya]

Josselin Mouette wrote:
> Who are you going to lobby? The candidates who are playing an active
> role in "the problem", or the ones who are just claiming there is no
> problem and that we should all be friends?

This year the candidates are acting more like RL politicians than ever
(IMVHO). So you... 
1 - lobby (all of them) 
2 - get promises in exchange of votes
3 - ...
4 - profit!

Nah, just lack of iron talking.

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Re: For those who care about stable updates

[Amaya]

Gustavo Franco wrote:
> hehe, i think you missed my joke first.

Maybe, I just saw a GnR quote. 

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Re: For those who care about stable updates

[Amaya]

Gustavo Franco wrote:
> Sure Amaya, "what we've got here is failure to communicate...". Btw, i
> hope we don't end in a civil war. :-)


Civil? Not as long as we focus on attacking Ubuntu


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Re: For those who care about stable updates

[Amaya]

Gustavo Franco wrote:
> I agree with you, i wasn't simple asking him to go back. My point was
> that if we just let somebody or a team take over that task the problem
> will still be there, maybe not all the problems but some of them.

I am also worried that these issues continue to exist throughout
releases/DPLs/seasons... I honestly think it is all a lack of
transparency and communication. 

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