NSA's Secure Linux Distribution
No doubt most of you have seen the NSA's secure linux posting on Slashdot this morning. Looking at: http://www.nsa.gov/selinux/docs.html there appears to be several utilities that have been updated to provide enhanced security. Should we be merging these patches into Debian, assuming they appear to be compatible with our policy, etc.? Thanks, -Brent
Restarting Build on a Package
This is a stupid question, but I've never figured it out: Is there a way to restart a build of a package *AND* still be able to generate the source tarball and diff? I've tried the -nc option to dpkg-buildpackage, but it always omits the orig.tar.gz. I'm trying to bootstrap a program that takes quite a while to build, and if it dies during configuration and I have to rebuild it again I'm going to pull my hair out. Thanks, -Brent -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
ITS: Gwydion Dylan
ITS: Intent to Sponsor ;-) It appears that these were never officially part of Debian. Those packages originated from ftp://folk.federated.com/pub/gd/DEB/potato and http://www.gwydiondylan.org/downloading.phtml is what pointed me there. It looks like you might be in good shape, though I'm quite far from anything like a final say on this matter. Sorry I didn't do more fact checking before posting previously. The mystery is solved. I'm not sure who created these initial packages, but currently there are CVS entries for packaging up through the current 2.3.3 version of Dylan. These were created by a fellow who is in the new maintainer queue. I'm going to sponsor his packages until he gets accepted into Debian and can start uploading himself. Thanks, -Brent -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
ITP: Gwydion Dylan
I need to work with Gwydion Dylan, and noticed we don't currently have a package for it. I vaguely remember someone talking about it long ago, but don't remember what became of it. I intend to package this Dylan implementation unless someone else is already doing so. I don't see any mention in WNPP or the mailing list archives. Thanks, -Brent -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: ITP: Gwydion Dylan
I believe someone's already packaged Gwydion Dylan. ii gwydion-dylan 2.3.1-1A Dylan-to-C batch compiler. ii gwydion-dylan- 2.3.1-1Tools used for recompiling Gwydion Dylan. ii mindy 2.3.1-1A Dylan interpreter. But hey, I'm glad someone else is interested in advanced languages. I believe these are old libc5 packages. The Gwydion team is certainly not aware of any current Debian packaging activities, certainly since they moved to 2.3.3/2.4pre1. I'd be happy to be proved wrong -- but I can't find Dylan in the potato or woody FTP archives, WNPP, bug tracking, or in our mailing list entries. Anyone know if this was orphaned? Thanks, -Brent -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: ANNOUNCE: Project to weld a specially-built perl-5.6.0 to aol server
I have been working on a project to bring aolserver and perl together for the past 2-3 weeks, and it has passed what I consider to be all its proof-of-concept stages: with the preliminary code I have written, an aolserver which receives a request from a browser can respond by running a perl script. The perl script can then send content back to the browser. A statement of progress in a bit more detail can presently be found at http://openacs.org/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg.tcl?msg_id=Tb; topic_id=OpenACStopic= In my opinion, this makes the project a success as it stands. Hi Jim, Congratulations on your Perl effort. I've been working on a similar project, and have achieved about the same level of success you have. I based my work on the Python embed project I did (see http://pywx.idyll.org). It is not as far along as our Python implementation, but it would be a short effort to do so. If you want, we could pool resources on this one to accelerate development. We can continue this off-list since it's probably of limited interest to others Thanks, -Brent -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
FW: Firewall Project
The technical leadership at my wife's work are back-pedalling from using a Linux firewall between an AS/400 system and remotely-connected PC's based on the following argument: To all Network Administrators: Problem: AS/400 can only communicate with active packets to and from the client. Any type of passive packet exchange will result in a loss of connectivity and invoke a Winsock error. Solution: Use an active firewall scheme This active firewall will most likely consist of a windows-based solution. Can anyone comment on why Linux would be unsuitable for firewall use in this configuration? Thanks, -Brent
RE: FW: Firewall Project
Can anyone comment on why Linux would be unsuitable for firewall use in this configuration? Can you explain what an `active' packet is? That's my question as well. I can't find any reference to an active packet definition. Could he mean some kind of keep-alive configuration? Or is it some weird AS/400 thing? -Brent
Encryption Builds
Can anyone refresh my memory as to the legality of encryption-enabled builds of software inside the U.S. Did we (like Kernel.org) decide it was okay to host this in U.S.-based servers, or are we still recommending that members of the free world do such builds? If the answer is to not build inside the U.S., I need a non-US developer to help me build a SSL module for AOLserver. Thanks, -Brent
RE: PPP on Potato
also failed. Has ppp changed between slink and potato? (ATTWorldnet uses chap for login). Were you using the Slink-an-a-half, or the original Slink? The original slink was based on the 2.0 Kernel, and I believe with Potato some of the settings for chat changed. Unfortunately, I can't remember them off the top of my head. Perhaps someone else can remember? -Brent
RE: Mozilla
Title: RE: Mozilla The Mozilla M14 readme clearly states that the M13 preferences are not compatible. Most likely their install script removes the preferences automatically or similar, but I view this as a fix for a temporary problem and not worth implementing for Debian. -Original Message- From: Will Barton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, March 09, 2000 5:03 PM To: debian-devel@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: Mozilla I dont believe that this is a problem with Mozilla itself, because the binary tarball of M14 works fine with M13 prefrences. Its only after you install the deb that this go crazy. Has anyone else used both the deb and the binary version of M14 and had similar results? -- Will Barton -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Time to rewrite dpkg
* Ossama Othman said:
Why? Tell me how I pass a C++ object to C, Fortran or Pascal.
The same way you pass fortran to C: use wrappers, for
example. Here is
one way of passing a static C++ method to a C function (e.g. signal
system call) in C++ code:
extern C void
Base_cleanup (void *object, void *)
{
Base::cleanup (object, 0);
}
Simple. :-)
Perhaps, but not clean. And doesn't make sense in this
particular case...
Remember the rule of the Ockham's Razor I think it should
be obeyed
here...
I think the real problem is in trying to export a language-specific
construct to another language which does not support it. C does not support
objects. Yes, yes. I realize that a good C programmer can bliff and
blaff, etc., to achieve an object-oriented design that will be worthy of a
Nobel prize and the Pulitzer prize simultaneously, etc. etc..
However, the fact is that C is designed primarily for procedural style
programming, and does not have features in place to handle
C++/Java/Python/etc. objects.
A better question is how a revised C++-ish library might interoperate with
an object-oriented language designed to make use of polymorphism,
abstraction, etc. Say, how Python might work as a front end, or how you
might use Java, etc.
Asking how to pass a C++ object to C is like asking how to cast a float to a
byte field in assembly.
Ideally, a library would (in addition to it's C++ functionality) have a C
interface that doesn't really deal with the issue of objects. Say,
something that would accept some standard C types and structs, and return
same.
-Brent
RE: evan leibovitch and the LPI certification tests
Title: RE: evan leibovitch and the LPI certification tests RedCrap already has everyone where they want them; in their back pocket, filling their wallet more and more everyday. Alongside VA Research. I find it offensive that you attack VA research, who provides many of the resources we enjoy as Debian developers. Regards, -Brent
RE: Release Plans (1999-05-10)
Title: RE: Release Plans (1999-05-10) Yes, ... but mozilla is pretty big, 17MB i think, so the compile will use lots of disk space and compile time, so i prefer to know if it should work, or if there should be major problems to it, and not discover after a night's compile time what went wrong. Also a list of source dependencies would be nice. Or even to know before i start downloading and compiling that it will not work anyway. Also the mozilla web pages are not very informative about non-i386 compilability, but then maybe i didn't search in the right place ... Friendly, Sven LUTHER Yes -- it took nearly 3 hours over a 33.3 phone connection to download CVS. A tarball would have been much faster. It actually builds fairly quickly -- on the order of 40 minutes on my K6-2. I could attempt to build it on faure and see what happens. If we can get the configuration scripts to work cleanly (they are pretty close now) we should be able to let the various build daemons do the boring work later. -Brent
RE: Release Plans (1999-05-10)
(ask Brent Fulgham, maybe there were more), Would it be possible to at least have one of those in potato? Maybe. Question is - do we want another five thousand wishlist bug reports from users screaming for something 'better'? ;( I think you should look in http://va.debian.org/~bfulgham/ and download the version of mozilla that is (hopefully) still there. If it works, and if more people agree with it, I'll put it in potato. The only problem I had with the versions in my home directory is that they were somewhat slow. They were not built using optimization, so they suffer some performance hits. Everything seems to build fine according to Tinderbox. Let's try another build Josip and see how it works out. If we can't get it to build cleanly, I will pull CVS over my phone line at home and try building on my Potato system there... -Brent
RE: [Fwd: [Jikes-License] Jikes Parser Generator now available i
Try Japhar/Classpath: www.japhar.org -- free JDK (compiler, runtime, debugger, etc.) www.classpath.org -- free implementation of the essential java libraries -Brent -Original Message- From: Shaleh [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 1999 1:22 PM To: Mike Goldman Subject: RE: [Fwd: [Jikes-License] Jikes Parser Generator now available i Now we need a free JDK and off we go (= -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: getting kernel 2.2 into slink
2.2. diald/ppp in slink does not work with 2.2.0-pre7 (on my box, at least). I am sure that there are other things as well. I'm sure you were aware that you have to upgrade your pppd to work with any of the higher-order 2.1.X kernels? You might want to check the kernel source's Documents/CHANGES file. -Brent
RE: getting kernel 2.2 into slink
It's Changes and yes I have read it: master:/home/wind# pppd -v pppd: unrecognized option '-v' pppd version 2.3 patch level 5 The issue being that there IS a problem - e.g. are we going to provide ppp1 and ppp2? That sounds like trouble to me. Real Question (not a snipe): Is there any reason everyone couldn't use a current pppd that would be compatible with the new kernel image? Why have two packages? -Brent
RE: getting kernel 2.2 into slink
I say let's make the 2.2 image a high-profile aspect of slink's release. The kernel is very stable, and I've been running my Debian system on it since 2.1.120. Plus, it would be a great technical feature of our distribution that might give us some bragging rights over the other distros. -Brent
RE: getting kernel 2.2 into slink
I think we should include it, as a service to people who don't want to download the whole thing, but attach a note saying As 2.2 was released just before we released slink, we are including it, but there may be problems, it might eat your computer... we are not responsible for anything at all... I have absolutely no problem with that. Seems like a prudent and advisable way to proceed. -Brent
Re: 1FA: problem still in hamm disks
I'd like to chime in -- It's a real annoyance that the base disks don't set up lilo to let you boot into multiple operating systems. Couldn't it ask if you want to dual-boot with windows, or whatever, and generate an appropriate lilo.conf file? This is an area where RedHat has a significant lead over us. One of the guys I work with is a huge RedHat fan because he can just pop a RH CD into the drive, windows will autorun it, and RedHat install starts. It sets up almost everything for the user. I know we support far more configurations, etc. etc. etc., but for the average Joe New-User this is a large hurdle. -Brent -Original Message- From: Ben Gertzfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Enrique Zanardi [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Duncan Thomson [EMAIL PROTECTED]; debian-devel@lists.debian.org debian-devel@lists.debian.org Date: Friday, October 16, 1998 10:31 AM Subject: Re: 1FA: problem still in hamm disks Enrique Zanardi [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Fri, Oct 16, 1998 at 09:18:23AM +, Duncan Thomson wrote: i've seen postings about this before, but as yet no solution (either as a message or in the boot disks). when debian is made bootable from the hard disk on certain systems, the prompt 1FA: comes up, but the system will not boot off partition 1. the disk controller is AHA-2940. any solutions to this problem? Where does it stops? Does it shows the typical LI message? Enrique, the problem is that our special mbr tool *REQUIRES* that one of the partitions on your drive be marked Bootable under cfdisk or fdisk. However, the current boot-floppies do not require this; in fact, they don't even check if any partitions are marked Bootable or not. I suggest you add a test (I'm not sure how you would do it) to see if the partition LILO is to go on is marked bootable by cfdisk before you let the user leave the partitioning step. Ben -- Brought to you by the letters Y and P and the number 1. Nerd. Loser. Jerk. Moron. Worm. Scum. Idiot. Fool. -- Pkunk, SCII Debian GNU/Linux -- where do you want to go tomorrow? http://www.debian.org/ I'm on FurryMUCK as Che, and EFNet and YiffNet IRC as Che_Fox. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Re: Linus is on a powertrip..
This is from the linux kernel mailing list. I find it pretty completly sums op my thoughts on all the new constitution and voting and policy voting stuff that we've been setting up. I haven't been vocal about this, but I think we've been moving in the wrong direction. Of course, this came up on linux kernel because Linus is showing signs of burnout - just like Bruce burnt out. The benevolent dicator system isn't perfect. The problem is that no matter what system we have, it will make some people unhappy. Even if we all could agree on someone to be the benevolent dictator, as soon as he/she made a decision contrary to some group of developers, there would be claims of tyranny and some developers would take their bat and balls and go home. Witness the latest bloodletting that involved three of the founding project members leaving after shouts of lawsuits and other hysteria against them. We should probably just try out the less-efficient voting system and see if that proves to be more popular. My $0.02 -Brent
