Re: how to remove libsystemd0 from a live-running debian desktop system
On 17 Feb 17:44, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote: > thanks for pointing that out, claude - it helps that it was someone > else who pointed out that being uncivil by asking a *person* to go > away doesn't make the *problem* go away. > > andrew: i will go away only when i am satisified that the problem > which i believe it is my duty and responsibility to help highlight and > fix has, in fact gone away. Well, if you're going to stay and waffle on incoherently, can you at least learn to use some capital letters at the beginning of sentences. Oh, and to stop waffling, do some research on what you're complaining about, and form a coherent idea rather than write long paragraphs that no one wants to read, and will send most people to sleep. So far, your entire set of posts have been, to say the least, tedious and already covered in other threads. Please go read *all* the other threads that there have been on this, and *then* and *only then* think about carrying on. Sheesh, -- Brett Parker -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20150217201750.GF29573@miranda
Re: Let's abandon debian-devel.
On 11 Nov 22:25, Ben Finney wrote: > Andrey Rahmatullin writes: > > > On Tue, Nov 11, 2014 at 08:50:52AM +0100, Matthias Urlichs wrote: > > > I'd be in favor of a different approach: moderate debian-devel. Not > > > the content, but the list of people allowed to post. Pre-seed it > > > with the email adresses in our keyring and auto-add anybody who > > > signs their email with a key in our keyring. > > Not all Debian contributors are DDs. > > But all Debian Contributors have their OpenPGP key in the project's > keyring. No? Correct, no, they don't. Think translators, and other such contributions. -- Brett Parker -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/2014114123.GN906@miranda
Re: systemd and Linux are *fundamentally incompatible* -> and I can prove it
On 25 Mar 11:36, Kevin Toppins wrote: > On 25 March 2014 11:25, William Unruh wrote: > [...] > > And if they are there, together with all the boldfacing, people tend to > > think that you are a complete kook. So you makes your choices... > > Okay, my apologies. > > I am not very experienced with lists and the expectations that run within > them. > > Here is a plaintext version stripped of asterisks. > > I do think the arrows help though. Weird, I just think they clutter up the place, make the text harder to read and are annoying as hell... Also, you keep talking about "linux" as if "linux" is an operating system in its own right... it's not, it's a kernel. GNU Linux is the linux kernel + GNU userland, the change to systemd is mostly just a change to the underlying init, *and* Debian is only changing the *default* not enforcing you to use it. Maybe you should do some more investigation, get some better clue of what you're talking about, and come back with a better, more thought out, set of arguments that actually have merit. Thanks, -- Brett Parker -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140325172952.GC4308@miranda
Re: Valve games for Debian Developers
On 23 Jan 22:13, David Suárez wrote: > El Jueves, 23 de enero de 2014 21:55:03 Dominik George escribió: > > Seriously, I think we should stop begging for more. Valve's (subsidiary's) > > offer is a very kind move and I'd not abuse that community attitude. > > Sorry, that's not the point... :) Is the point to just be sarcastic and poke fun at Valve? We likes valve... HL2 is a fantastic game, for instance... -- Brett Parker -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20140124010708.GC25187@miranda
Re: Bug#706780: ITP: libtest-tabledriven-perl -- write tests, not scripts that run them
On 04 May 21:08, Jonas Smedegaard wrote: > Package: wnpp > Severity: wishlist > Owner: Jonas Smedegaard > > * Package name: libtest-tabledriven-perl > Version : 0.02 > Upstream Author : Jonathan Rockway > * URL : http://search.cpan.org/dist/Test-TableDriven/ > * License : Artistic or GPL-1+ > Programming Lang: Perl > Description : write tests, not scripts that run them > > Writing table-driven tests is usually a good idea. Adding a test case > doesn't require adding code, so it's easy to avoid fucking up the ^^ probably wants to be replaced with the word "breaking" > other tests. However, actually going from a table of tests to a test > that runs is non-trivial. > . > Test::TableDriven makes writing the test drivers trivial. You simply > define your test cases and write a function that turns the input data > into output data to compare against. C will compute > how many tests need to be run, and then run the tests. > . > Concentrate on your data and what you're testing, not > plan tests => scalar keys %test_cases > and a big foreach loop. > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org > Archive: > http://lists.debian.org/20130504190804.5619.13540.report...@auryn.jones.dk > > -- Brett Parker -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20130507111006.GV16664@miranda
Re: network-manager as default? No! (was: Bits from the Release Team - Kicking off Wheezy)
On 06 Apr 09:10, Andrew O. Shadoura wrote: > Hello, > > On Wed, 06 Apr 2011 07:29:05 +0200 > Josselin Mouette wrote: > > > Your limited knowledge is like jam. The less you have, the more you > > spread it. > > Well, you have just confirmed this statement. > > > What you actually like about ifupdown is that it cannot do anything > > but extremely trivial setups. Then you can stack all soft of stuff on > > top of it, and get them to work manually for your specific setup, and > > since it’s not event-based you have to hard-code the way your network > > is set up. > > Maybe you just don't know how to 'cook' it properly? (NOTE: Not an endorsement of n-m in anyways, but...) Everything that you can do with ifupdown you can do with network manager, which will also happily trigger the ifupdown pre/post scripts if you enable that plugin. Personally, I'm very happy with ifupdown on my laptop, and there's some truly odd networking at times on here... and on the work laptop, so far n-m has been ok (I'm giving it a chance to not explode, and I don't need that one to have networking if I'm not logged in to it). Cheers, -- Brett Parker http://www.sommitrealweird.co.uk/ PGP Fingerprint 1A9E C066 EDEE 6746 36CB BD7F 479E C24F 95C7 1D61 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20110406092724.gf3...@sommitrealweird.co.uk
Re: Back to technical discussion? Yes!
On 05 Apr 00:55, Stanislav Maslovski wrote: > On Mon, Apr 04, 2011 at 10:03:12PM +0200, Michelle Konzack wrote: > > What I do not understand is WHY the Debian Project can not do an install > > in two steps. I mean installing the bare base using "ifupdown" and if > > the user choose the Desktop-Task replace it with NM. > > AFAICT, the main concerns with the current ifupdown-based installation > process is that its suport of wireless networks is very limited: only > WEP is supported, and there are problems with lost connections. I am > pretty sure that these problems may be addressed without replacing all > the infrastructure and switching to NM, though. It is?! I better tell my /etc/network/interfaces that those wpa keys in there shouldn't work... (I use ifupdown on my laptop *lots*, it has *several* wireless configurations in /etc/network/interfaces, and a magical mapping script that uses iwlist scan to check where we are... it all "just works" including the WPA configuration...) -- Brett Parker http://www.sommitrealweird.co.uk/ PGP Fingerprint 1A9E C066 EDEE 6746 36CB BD7F 479E C24F 95C7 1D61 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20110405060819.gc3...@sommitrealweird.co.uk
Re: [RFC] Binary packages containing the source
On 22 Sep 12:47, Ian Jackson wrote:
> Julien Cristau writes ("Re: [RFC] Binary packages containing the source"):
> > Why do people hate vowels so much?
>
> Bcs f y lv thm t y cn wrt ncmprhnsbl gbbrsh mch mr ffctvly. Ls y sv
> smll mnt f typng.
^Lts
surely?
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Re: Bug#588526: ITP: cpm -- Console Password Manager
On 09 Jul 09:50, Peter Samuelson wrote: > > [Stig Sandbeck Mathisen] > > This program is a ncurses based console tool to manage passwords and > > store them public key encrypted in a file - even for more than one > > person. > > Why public key? That's useful if a certain class of people need to be > able to write but not read the file, or vice versa. I can't figure out > how that could be useful for a password manager. Erm, gpg will let you encrypt to multiple public keys... -- Brett Parker -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20100709150141.gv6...@miranda
Re: wizard development for debian package
On 10 Feb 13:50, saurabh a wrote: > Hi, > > I'm trying to create debian package for my application which should run as > daemon. > This application need to be able to configured at the time of installation > through some gui wizard. > > Does debian has provision for creating such wizard? or which language is > used for creating such gui in order t get better control over installation > process as well as good design? > Is java an option for such wizard? You would most likely need to use debconf, instead. -- Brett Parker -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Explicitely Cc bug reporters
On 12 Sep 11:13, Michelle Konzack wrote: > Am 2009-09-10 17:23:32, schrieb Stefano Zacchiroli: > > We currently even have procmail recipe to automatically subscribe upon > > BTS ack receipt, that should be the default and the recipes reverted to > > unsubscribe by default who doesn't want subscription. > > Then I have to write a second procmail recipe which unsubscribe me > IMMEDIATELY if I am hit by such messages... > > It is realy ANNOYING to get tonns of BTS messages on my cellphone, > because my adress is my official business email! > > And of course, I DO NOT FIND IT FUNNY, if somone post a coredump, log or > whatelse and it has 10 MByte and more... And under Symbian, you can not > stop maildownloads you are ucked for at least an half hour. This all smells a bit like user error, replace user... If you don't want bug e-mails to that address, don't send them from that address. Also, unless symbian is *really* much worse than Window Mobile, then you should be able to set it to use IMAP and *NOT COLLECT* messages over a certain size. It is *REALLY* annoying having one person whine about improvements to the BTS because it means that *THEY* might have to do something. *SIGH*, -- Brett Parker -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: deprecating /usr as a standalone filesystem?
On 08 May 14:35, Peter Palfrader wrote: > On Fri, 08 May 2009, David Weinehall wrote: > > > On Thu, May 07, 2009 at 07:27:08PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: > > > No. But we do leave /usr read-only the rest of the time, which > > > is often 99.999% of the time. A separate /usr is required for this. > > > > Uhm, no? > > > > mount --bind /usr /usr > > > > Should do the trick (the same mount -o remount,rw / remount,ro then > > applies). all thanks to the magic of subtrees :) > > Yeah. Right. > > wea...@intrepid:~/tmp$ mkdir foo > wea...@intrepid:~/tmp$ touch foo/bar > wea...@intrepid:~/tmp$ sudo mount -o bind,ro foo foo > wea...@intrepid:~/tmp$ touch foo/baz > wea...@intrepid:~/tmp$ > > bind mounts don't do ro. http://lwn.net/Articles/281157/ As of 2.6.26 it's possible, but still not right: fleur:/tmp# rmdir foo fleur:/tmp# mkdir foo fleur:/tmp# touch foo/blah fleur:/tmp# mount -o bind foo foo fleur:/tmp# mount -o remount,ro foo fleur:/tmp# touch foo/blah touch: cannot touch `foo/blah': Read-only file system fleur:/tmp# umount foo fleur:/tmp# touch foo/blah fleur:/tmp# So it works, just not quite as you'd expect :/ Cheers, -- Brett Parker -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: ignoring the CoC in regards to cc:s (Re: Can we ship sources of a PDF file in the Debian diff?
On 27 Apr 18:49, Noah Slater wrote: > > So, user error, not software error... > > This illustrates my point perfectly! > > It's not user error, because I'm just doing what I've learnt to do. Erm - how's that not user error? What you've learnt is obviously wrong. Relearn how to use your MUA efficiently. > When > software use becomes habitual, usability is increased. This is how usability > is > defined, instead of some abstract sense. Software that behaves according to a > user's mental model is easy to use. Forcing people to adjust their behaviour > is > a poor substitute for a technical solution. > > Software should adapt to human behaviour, not the other way around. So, change your software configuration. The list software is doing the correct thing, the user agent is obviously your failing point here - so, either use a different MUA or configure your current MUA to do what you expect it to. BTW, MUAs are software too! *sigh*. -- Brett Parker -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: ignoring the CoC in regards to cc:s (Re: Can we ship sources of a PDF file in the Debian diff?
On 28 Apr 03:58, Jean-Christophe Dubacq wrote: > Ben Finney a écrit : > > Noah Slater writes: > > > >> Yes, I know the L command, but thanks for pointing it out! My argument > >> is that I have to remember to use when I am replying to the Debian > >> lists, which as you can see, doesn't happen very often. > > > > No, the point of a ‘reply to list’ command is you *don't* have to > > remember when to use it. Just use it every time you reply to any list, > > and it will DTRT because it uses the standard fields which are in just > > about every mailing list anywhere. The times when it doesn't will be the > > rare ones. > > Why do these functions not do a normal "Reply" when not applied to a > mail contained within a list? What do they do then? If they also do the > right thing for a non-list mail, why are not they bound by default to > be the main "Reply" button? That is a real question, btw, no irony implied. Because you don't always want to reply to the list. I rather like that Reply means "reply to the person that wrote the e-mail" rather than "reply to the list, the list wants to know, really". -- Brett Parker -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: ignoring the CoC in regards to cc:s (Re: Can we ship sources of a PDF file in the Debian diff? (was: Re: phyml_20081203-1_powerpc.changes REJECTED)
On 27 Apr 18:55, Noah Slater wrote: > On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 07:48:50PM +0200, Adeodato Simó wrote: > > I fully agree with this. I think having to remember which key one must > > use in each context for "r"eply is lame. This is why I do in my ~/.muttrc: > [...] > > Where l/debian is the folder which contains Debian lists, and it allows > > to always use 'r' to reply to mail. > > Hmm, interesting! > > Unfortunately, I don't use folders so I don't think this will work for me. *boggle* - you claim to be on multiple lists and yet you don't use server side filtering and folders?! OK - now that's just plain odd. -- Brett Parker -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: ignoring the CoC in regards to cc:s (Re: Can we ship sources of a PDF file in the Debian diff?
On 27 Apr 15:41, Noah Slater wrote: > On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 04:19:08PM +0200, Emilio Pozuelo Monfort wrote: > > Noah Slater wrote: > > > Either you avoid Reply-To because it is "harmful" and accept that you > > > will get > > > carbon copies from the commonly implemented group reply function of > > > modern mail > > > clients, or you include the "harmful" Reply-To header and avoid it. > > > > > > What am I missing? This seems too obviously flawed an argument. > > > > Either you add it, which is harmful, or you don't, and people should use > > reply > > to the list when replying to the list. Most (or many) MUAs have a trivial > > way to > > do that, as you already know. So instead of 'replying to all', just 'reply > > to > > the list'. Not too complicated, and you could start to do that with other > > lists too. > > How many MUAs actually have a Reply To List feature? Gmail and most of the > other > online Web mail clients do not have this feature. Microsoft Outlook doesn't, > nor > does Thunderbird by default. So based on this alone, the Debian CoC is > depending > on an uncommon feature for proper behaviour. > > Even if this was a common feature of MUAs, it presents a significant usability > barrier. Most people struggle to use Reply and Reply To All properly, without > the additional cognitive burden of having to remember when they are > specifically > replying to a mailing list. > > You're arguing that a Reply-To header is "harmful" (not that I am convinced) > and Think of the occasions when you actually do want to do an offlist reply - it's not that uncommon - having Reply-To set to default to the list causes a lot of people to "get it wrong" because they're used to sensible mailing lists that get it right - this happens quite often on one of the mailing lists I'm subscribed to. > so people should learn to use some additional, uncommonly found, feature of > their MUAs to work around the technological problem. I don't buy this argument > at all. Technology should adapt to human behaviour, and not the other way > around. There is something fundamentally wrong when we try to solve a > technical > problem with a Code of Conduct. It's not a technical problem, it's a social problem. Technical solutions to social problems are always wrong. > Without a Reply-To header, we should expect people to Reply To Group. It > doesn't > matter if we have a Code of Conduct, people will always make mistakes. The > only > sensible thing to do in this situation would be to recommend that people who > care properly configure their Mail-Followup-To and Mail-Reply-To headers. I wouldn't expect that. I'd expect that if they usually reply to the list they would configure their MUA to reply to the list. > If Reply To Group is so harmful that we want to avoid it completely, then I > think we should consider adding a Reply-To header to the mailing list emails - > like many other mailing lists do for exactly this reason. Many many more don't add the Reply-To header as it is harmful. > P.S. I had to manually edit the To and CC headers of this email before sending > out because I had forgot to press the L key in mutt, one of the few clients > that > actually has such a feature. So, user error, not software error... -- Brett Parker -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: alioth.debian.org / blends.debian.net: different behaviour of Option MultiViews
On 08 Apr 14:44, Andreas Tille wrote:
> Hi,
>
> probably this is off topic here - so I beg your pardon for missusing this list
> but I had no idea where else I could get quick help. The problem:
> Apache2 configuration on alioth.debian.org does not support MultiView
> option to enable
> different languages of website. So the solution was to use a .htaccess file
> like this:
>
> Options +MultiViews
> AddLanguage fr .fr
> AddLanguage en .en
> AddLanguage nl .nl
> ...
>
> which worked perfectly. I've got a dedicated box sponsored for Debian Med
> and I wanted to run a test version for new developments of the Blends tasks
> pages there and thus I want to use perfectly the same code and resulting
> files. I have set up a virtual host
>
>
> $ cat /etc/apache2/conf.d/90_v_blends.conf
>
>
> LogFormat "%V:#:%h %l %u %t \"%r\" %s %b \"%{Referer}i\" \"%{User-agent}i\""
> confixx
>
>
> ServerName blends.debian.net
> ServerAlias blends.debian.net *.blends.debian.net
> DocumentRoot /var/lib/gforge/chroot/home/groups/blends/htdocs
>
> ErrorLog /srv/blends.debian.net/log/error.log
> CustomLog /srv/blends.debian.net/log/access.log common
>
> # To get negotiation working
>
> Options FollowSymLinks MultiViews
> # AllowOverride Options -> enable options in .htaccess files
> AllowOverride AuthConfig Limit FileInfo Options
^ - .htaccess is an override file... so, to get it to work
you need to change this line to:
AllowOverride AuthConfig Limit FileInfo Options MultiViews
The log that you pasted tells you that.
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Re: #522196 - RFP: gnu icecat - the GNU version of Mozilla Firefox
On 03 Apr 15:42, Nico Golde wrote: > Hi, > * Raphael Geissert [2009-04-02 19:45]: > > [Security team BCC'ed] > > > > Hi, > > > > Do we really need another mozilla browser around? > > Last time I heard the iceweasel maintainers were looking for other people > > to > > help them. > > > > I don't think yet another clone of firefox is going to do any good in any > > sense (including the security POV). > > As providing security support for the ice* suite is already > PITA and I see no reason why we should include this given > that we have ice* I strongly oppose to include this to > Debian. I thought they all now dynamically linked against xulrunner so that security support was much simpler than before, so it's really just a frontend more than a clone of firefox, no? Cheers, -- Brett Parker -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: xcdroast does no longer work with wodim: Who to blame?
On 03 Mar 20:51, Joerg Schilling wrote: > Bill Unruh wrote: > > > On Tue, 3 Mar 2009, Joerg Schilling wrote: > > > > ... > > > > > > As a hint: "the work mkisofs" is the plain files that can be found in the > > > sub-directory "mkisofs" in the cdrtools source tree. Other > > > sub-directories in > > > this source tree colletion contain _other_ independent works. > > > > > > > > > You have to decide whether the GPL is a completely unusable license or > > > whether > > > there is no problem with mkisofs. > > > > I am afraid that we will not solve the problems of the shortcomings of GPL > > here. The question is whether or not we can solve the problems of the > > different reading of the GPL for the purposes of this one program, mkisofs. > > Well despite the claims from some people that try to prevent a solution, > there in fact is only a very minor disagreement. This disagreement is based > on > the attempt from some people to interpret some meaning into the "system > exception" that is not in the GPL text. No, the exact problem is: mkisofs/ A ISO-9660/Rock-Ridge/Joliet/HFS/UDF filesystem formatter (GPL) Note: uses libscg libscg/ A local SCSI-generic transport lib (CDDL) What people are *clearly* telling you is that libscg is under the CDDL (you should know that, you put it under it...) and that mkisofs is under the GPL (you should know that too, you put it under it), and that GPL software (with the exception of system libraries, i.e. libraries that you'd expect to find on the system...) can not link with CDDL software as they have incompatible licences - the source is fine to distribute - any binary package becomes undistributable. As debian ships binary packages (as does SuSE, RedHat, Ubuntu etc etc etc), we are not able to ship mkisofs at all. We're not trying to interpret any extra meaning in to the system exception - we're telling you that libscg *does not* fit in the system exception and that the GPL and CDDL are incompatible licences. Also, can you fix your website to refer to the work "package" rather than "packet" when refering to the distributed "packages" by the various distributions. Thanks, -- Brett Parker -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: xcdroast does no longer work with wodim: Who to blame?
On 03 Mar 15:41, Joerg Schilling wrote: > Wouter Verhelst wrote: > > > On Tue, Mar 03, 2009 at 01:09:29PM +0100, Joerg Schilling wrote: > > > You are uninformed: libc on Linux is under LGPL and the LGPL is as > > > "incompatible" to GPL as the CDDL is "incomparible" to the GPL. > > > > Er? > > Well, it seems that you are uninfored > > If you like to tell me that mkisofs cannot link against libschily because it > is > CDDL, mkisofs could not link against GNU libc either because it is LGPL. Err, GPL code can link with LGPL code - the LGPL *removes* restrictions from the GPL, and thus is a compatible licence, as has already been explained to you. Also, libc is (fairly much) a system library, and would therefore get through on that exemption anyways. > If you believe that GNU libc and mkisofs both together create a derived work, > you would need to use the option from the LGPL to tranform the code into GPL. > > .then you would never be able to have X on a Linux platform again as the > conversion from LGPL to GPL is irreversible and valid for the master copy of > a Distributor. I believe that you're using circular arguments with no relevance to the actual case in hand. libschily is *not* a system library and so does not come through with that exemption, and the CDDL and GPL are incompatible licences. Ho hum, -- Brett Parker -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: xcdroast does no longer work with wodim: Who to blame?
On 26 Feb 15:47, Joerg Schilling wrote: > Brett Parker wrote: > > > On 26 Feb 11:27, Joerg Schilling wrote: > > > - The fork is in conflict with the Copyright law and thus may not be > > > legally distributed. > > > > Err, it's a fork of the GPL2 code, before you went insane and relicenced > > half of it to CDDL and added random "Don't change this" invariant > > sections - how do you see it conflicting with Copyright law? > > Before Eduard Bloch made insane modifications, the code was GPLv2 and legal. > Now the cude is undistributable because of modifications in the fork > that are incompatible with the Copyright law. > > See my bug report from December 2006. Is this the one that doesn't actually give any details but does just randomly say the above? i.e. insubstantiated claims, and further spreading of FUD? > > > - The fork is in conflict with the GPL and thus may not be legally > > > distributed. > > > > Errr, in what way? > > See my bug report from December 2006. See above. > > > > > - The fork is full of bugs that have been introduced by the person who > > > initiated the fork and for this reason did not get the permission > > > to use the original name. Note that it is not even allowed to ship > > > symlinks with the original names as this makes users believe that > > > they use the original software. > > > > As someone that uses wodim quite a bit, I've not noticed it to be "full > > of bugs", so I'd suggest that you're spreading FUD and hoping that no > > one notices. > > It seems that you are spreding FUD. Everybody who is interested in working > CD/DVD creating uses the original software. There are nearly 100 Bug Reports > against the fork in the bug tracking systems from Debian, Ubuntu and Redhat, > none of the reports applies to the original software. Interesting - so, in your (somewhat naive) opinion - the *only* cd burning software worth mentioning is your very own pet project... weird that you would be so biased on that isn't it? Does this mean that you're also blissfully unaware of the cdskin and libburn projects? Apparently not everyone that is interesting in working CD/DVD creation wants to use your software - apparently not everyone in the world agrees with your view point. Now, kindly drop the FUD spreading that your software is the only working software in the world (there are plenty, for example, of free CD/DVD creation tools for the Windows operating system, I suppose you'll claim all of those are using your code? Yeah. Right.). I'm very interested in *working* CD/DVD creation, and I've been very happy with cdrkit - if you're telling me that the CDs/DVDs that I have created (and used) with wodim don't work, then I'm *amazed*! > > > If you like to blame a specific person for the current problems, you need > > > to > > > blame the person who started the "fork" based on very a outdated version, > > > who > > > ripped off the working DVD support code, who introduced dozens of new > > > bugs and > > > who stopped working on the fork on May 6th 2007, leaving the fork > > > unmaintained. An interesting aspect of this person is that he started to > > > advertize for Nerolinux after May 6th 2007. It seems that he never was > > > interested in supporting FROSS but in causing harm for FROSS. > > > > Very outdated version because of the licencing issues introduced by you > > stopping a fork at any later version... > > The original software did not introduce licensing issues. Please do not > spread > FUD. The original code had a full legal review by the Sun legal department. > The fork however is undistributable because some people ignored the rules from > GPL and Copyright law. Which rules? The author ignored the GPL by adding invariant sections, certainly. Well done. > > > If you look at the bug tracking systems of the Linux distributors that > > > ship the illegal fork, you see a total of aprox. 100 bugs (many of them > > > are > > > showstopper bugs) that are specific to the fork. Upgrading to recent > > > original software from: > > > > > > ftp://ftp.berlios.de/pub/cdrecord/alpha/ > > > > The fact that says 'alpha' of course inspires us all with confidence. > > The quality of the original software is much better than the quality of the > fork. That is, of course, purely your opinion. > The minimal requirements for a "stable release" is that the software does not > have known bugs at release time. Using this rule, th
Re: xcdroast does no longer work with wodim: Who to blame?
On 26 Feb 11:27, Joerg Schilling wrote: > - The fork is in conflict with the Copyright law and thus may not be > legally distributed. Err, it's a fork of the GPL2 code, before you went insane and relicenced half of it to CDDL and added random "Don't change this" invariant sections - how do you see it conflicting with Copyright law? > - The fork is in conflict with the GPL and thus may not be legally > distributed. Errr, in what way? > - The fork is full of bugs that have been introduced by the person who > initiated the fork and for this reason did not get the permission > to use the original name. Note that it is not even allowed to ship > symlinks with the original names as this makes users believe that > they use the original software. As someone that uses wodim quite a bit, I've not noticed it to be "full of bugs", so I'd suggest that you're spreading FUD and hoping that no one notices. > If you like to blame a specific person for the current problems, you need to > blame the person who started the "fork" based on very a outdated version, who > ripped off the working DVD support code, who introduced dozens of new bugs and > who stopped working on the fork on May 6th 2007, leaving the fork > unmaintained. An interesting aspect of this person is that he started to > advertize for Nerolinux after May 6th 2007. It seems that he never was > interested in supporting FROSS but in causing harm for FROSS. Very outdated version because of the licencing issues introduced by you stopping a fork at any later version... > If you look at the bug tracking systems of the Linux distributors that > ship the illegal fork, you see a total of aprox. 100 bugs (many of them are > showstopper bugs) that are specific to the fork. Upgrading to recent > original software from: > > ftp://ftp.berlios.de/pub/cdrecord/alpha/ The fact that says 'alpha' of course inspires us all with confidence. > fixes all bugs from the bug-tracking systems that are not caused by packaging, > bugs in the Linux kernel or bugs in the Linux variant of hald. So, it doesn't fix all the bugs, then. So, that's completely irrelevant, you still have bugs. Well done. > What is the reason for shipping software that is undistributable and that > disgusts the Debian users because it is full of unneeded bugs? Err, being a long term Debian user, I'd like to know where you get the impression that it "disgusts Debian users" - you appear to be confusing yourself with a Debian users. As I understand it, you wouldn't use a Debian system if it was the last system available on earth, and so you don't qualify as a user. Sorry. > If Debian is interested in being a FROSS oriented distro that listenes to the > demands of their users, it seems to be obvious to admit that following the > person who introduced the fork was a mistake. He is longer active at Debian, > it should be simple to write a note on that this person caused harm to the > credibility of Debian and to this way correct a previous mistake. Errr. Right. I think you are mistaken. Now, according to you nothing has changed since May 2007, I can see - clearly - from http://www.cdrkit.org/ that the last release was actually 2008/10/26, I'd suggest that's neither 2007, or May. On the other hand, maybe I'm incapable of parsing dates or actually looking things up. Ho hum, -- Brett Parker Everything in this mail is my opinion. So there. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Bug#515617: ITP: laby -- Laby is a small program to learn how to program with ants and spider webs.
On 16 Feb 16:15, Mehdi Dogguy wrote: > Package: wnpp > Severity: wishlist > Owner: Mehdi Dogguy > > > * Package name: laby > Version : 20080818 > Upstream Author : Stéphane Gimenez > * URL : http://www/~gimenez/enseignement.html That's fine if you have pps.jussieu.fr as the first thing in your search path, I, err, don't. So: http://www.pps.jussieu.fr/~gimenez/enseignement.html (Sounded like fun, looks fun... might have a look at some point :) -- Brett Parker -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Bug#477338: lowercase "X" does not function in command terminals
Sounds like you've got a bind statement in your ~/.bashrc or ~/.bash_profile. -- Brett Parker -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: rebuilding the archive in a dirty chroot: results
On 25 Jan 15:59, Daniel Leidert wrote: > Am Freitag, den 25.01.2008, 15:25 +0100 schrieb Lucas Nussbaum: > > > I've done two rebuilds of sid on i386. > > - one in a perfectly clean chroot, as I usually do > > - one in a chroot, where as many build-dependancies as impossible were > > installed (take the Sources file, extract the build-deps for all > > packages, and install as many packages as possible) (the chroot is > > named bdfh -- build daemon from hell) > [..] > > All the results are available from > > http://people.debian.org/~lucas/logs/2008/01/22/bdfh/ > > Ok. I checked docbook-xsl. Your report says, that there is a difference > in the control file in the Installed-Size field. Now this package just > copies files from the source to the correct place in the file system. So > I checked the files: a) that I have written or that are created by > debhelper and b) that are patched. But from the build logs I cannot find > a difference between these files. So I'm wondering, where the difference > comes from. Now because the file-list is very long and the build logs do > not have the same ordering of the files, it is hard to compare the file > lists without hacking around some kind of script that reads in your > build-logs and compares the file-lists found in the build logs. So I'm > wondering if you could send me the file lists in some sorted order or if > there is some tool to compare packages directly? Take the file lists, run then through sort, then diff them. That should tell you what you need to know, is hardly actually a script, and should take minutes... Cheers, -- Brett Parker -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: what happened to social contract?
On Thu, Aug 30, 2007 at 12:35:22PM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > One issue is that only a few programs appear in the IceWM menu. The > rest you need to know the names of and type in by hand. I can of > course create a menu if I have a prepackaged selection of software, > which is what I am working on. Err, well, I just fired up icewm in an Xnest session to check - weirdly it's got all the programs installed in the menu (under the Programs entry), so I have no idea where your getting this idea from. -- Brett Parker -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: what happened to social contract?
On Thu, Aug 30, 2007 at 11:16:30AM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Quoting Ben Finney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > I received at least one particular nasty reply off list. > Can I suggest that if you're not actually going to quote someone, you at least remove the line that says "Quoting $name". -- Brett Parker -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: what happened to social contract?
On Thu, Aug 30, 2007 at 10:55:25AM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > I trying to assist with providing a higher level of functionality to > many people who want or need to use an alternative window manager I > highly suggest someone actually install Debian and then install one of > these other window managers such as IceWM and take a look at what you > have to use for your daily needs. You are then required to install > another 10 - 30 packages or so manually, unless you are the type of > user who wants to do everything with Vi. Huh? Err, I've used IceWM in the past in debian without having to try hard at all (apt-get install icewm... wow... that was difficult!) and I'm currently using ion3 (guess how I installed that... oh, yes, apt-get install ion3)... Of course, synaptics can easily be run in any of the window managers - the libraries for it will get pulled in on its installation anyways. If people are switching window managers, then they generally can still find applications. Can you clarify which packages you're suggesting are vital for using IceWM (as the example that you provide) that are not in the Recommends or Suggests lists for IceWM? Thanks, -- Brett Parker -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: what happened to social contract?
On Thu, Aug 30, 2007 at 12:46:39AM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Quoting Peter Samuelson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > We don't really have time for either sort - that is > >what debian-mentors and slashdot, respectively, are for. > > Hmm, yes I wonder what people would think were we to post the contents > of our exchange on Slashdot. Not a lot, all in all... it'd mostly be marked down as Troll, and so automatically filtered for many people. -- Brett Parker -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: what happened to social contract?
On Thu, Aug 30, 2007 at 12:34:21AM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Quoting Peter Samuelson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > Also, lest we all forget, I am a Debian user. So what you say to me > you say to us all. Err, I'm a debian user too, but I don't think that anything they've said to you they're saying to me. You are not all users, you are a user, singular. -- Brett Parker -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Targeting RPM and Debian from a Debian box?
On Fri, Jul 06, 2007 at 05:51:11PM +0100, Luis Matos wrote: > Sex, 2007-07-06 ??s 18:47 +0200, Bernd Zeimetz escreveu: > > Hi, > > > > > My development workstation is running Debian, and I'd like to produce > > > both .deb and .rpm releases of my software. > you can easily use virtual machines like xen and qemu to build and test > them. You don't even have to go that far... I build rpm packages in a CentOS 5 chroot on a Debian Etch box. It makes it so much more fun :) (Never did get mach or the other rpm tools to work though - so it's sortof bolted together with a bunch of shell scripts and the chroot was built using a bash script I knocked up a while back...) Cheers, -- Brett Parker -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Question about "Depends: bash"
On Sat, Nov 25, 2006 at 06:06:09PM +0100, Michelle Konzack wrote: > Am 2006-11-25 00:02:34, schrieb Jari Aalto: > > PII with 62-128M, fairly common. > > ACK > > > > For example my IBM TP570 (PII/366MHz/192MB) > > > is happy with /bin/bash and fast enough. > > > > "fast enought" is in the eye of a beholder. Try with PII/64M with > > X deskop with 20 sessions of bash open. And opening firefox and xchat. > > I do not know a singel person which open 20 xterms with bash at the > same time. On my IBM i have normaly 4-6 XTerms open, mozilla and gaim. Just looking around my desktop I spy 12 xterms open, and this is from a fairly recent cleanup. I dare say my workstation at work has somewhere in the region of 40 running xterms at the moment... all running bash. It's not that uncommon ;) -- Brett Parker -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Moving /var/run to a tmpfs?
On Sun, Sep 17, 2006 at 11:02:41PM +0200, Mario 'BitKoenig' Holbe wrote: > Marco d'Itri <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Not all of them are buggy, e.g. ssh, inn and inn2 have the directory in > > the package but also create it in the init script if needed. > > I would consider this a bug, when a package ships things which it > expects to magically disappear and where it thus cares about re-creating > them all the time. There's just no need to ship them in the package then > at all. Well... a minor bug probably :) That's not a bug, that's fairly reasonable behavious - in the case that /var/run *isn't* a tmpfs, the package knows about the directory, the postrm script can purge stuff from it, and the directory gets cleaned away like it should. Is /var/run being *mandated* as having to be tmpfs? -- Brett Parker -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: cdrtools
On Fri, Aug 11, 2006 at 10:57:45PM +0200, Joerg Schilling wrote: > Joerg Jaspert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > You should look at the video I pointed you at. You just accused me of > > being a liar. If i would have your low level I would now do the same you > > I did look at this video: it verifies what I say! > > If you carefully look at the video, you see that Simon is angry with Danese > because she does not tell the truth but he does not like to correct her in the > public. Woah, hang on... so lemme get this straight - rather than actually using the *content* of the video, we're supposed to believe your interpretation of someones body language that's NOT EVEN SPEAKING?! Err - right - yeah, lets do that. Muppet. -- Brett Parker -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: cdrtools
On Mon, Aug 14, 2006 at 04:09:33PM +0200, Joerg Schilling wrote: > Goswin von Brederlow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Do you really believe that you are able to deflect from the main problem: > > > > > > The original sources do not have such bugs and many Debian users that > > > did write bug reports against the Debian version of cdrtools did already > > > switch to a self compiled original source in order to get a working > > > cdrecord. > > > > > > Why don't you read my reply? > > > > I rather burn my own CDs/DVDs and see for myself if the program works. > > > > Your source: total failure. > > Debian source: works perfectly for years. > > > > Conclusion: Debian patches are GOOD. And that for years and years. > > Nice try for trolling: > > This is of course a lie.or why don't you like to prove it: > > http://cdrecord.berlios.de/old/private/problems.html Well, that's a nice page isn't it... rather than try to assist in the distribution of your software with the major players, instead you decide to slag them all off in one go. Congratulations. You are an anally retentive muppet. > Come back to reallity, the k3b maintainers did already give up with > Debian versions of cdrtools and use self-compiled unmodified originalsources. *YAWN* - so, does k3b in debian use a non-debian version of cdrecord? really? are you sure? because k3b worked fine for me last time I was in need of it (doesn't happen often). > Guess why? It is the Debian variant that dioes not work while the original > works out of the bix. Weird, debian version works fine for me... Maybe it's muppets like the upstream for cdrecord... yes, that's you Joerg... that makes it so that people just give in - you have an inane ability to really really annoy the hell out of very many people - here's hoping that all remnants of your crappy, half baked software with dumb licencing gets removed from the debian archive soon - maybe then you'll shut the hell up and let everyone continue with life. "Thanks", -- Brett Parker -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Centralized darcs
On Thu, Aug 03, 2006 at 11:23:43AM +0100, martin f krafft wrote: > also sprach Lars Wirzenius <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2006.08.03.1116 +0100]: > > Debian's lists support List-ID, List-Post, and the other List- headers. > > If mutt's L command doesn't use that to figure out the list reply > > address, perhaps someone would be so kind as to write a suitable patch? > > > > (That's what evolution's control-L seems to cue in on, fwiw.) > > It sure works, but you have to let mutt know about it: > > subscribe debian-devel@lists.debian.org > > That's a *good* thing. Err, no you don't ;) Mutt really does use the list headers these days - that's a throw back to the dark ages^W^WWoody - sarges mutt does list correctly with L :) Cheers, -- Brett Parker -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: GCC 4.1 now the default GCC version for etch
On Sat, Jun 17, 2006 at 09:47:10AM +0200, Falk Hueffner wrote: > On Fri, Jun 16, 2006 at 07:06:06PM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: > > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > Falk Hueffner wrote: > > > On Thu, Jun 08, 2006 at 07:58:23AM +0200, Bastian Blank wrote: > > >> long is not appropriate to save pointers, you need to use intptr_t or > > >> uintptr_t. > > > > > > C90 basically promised it would work, and it is widely considered a > > > bug in C99 that there is no such guarantee. sizeof(void*) == > > > sizeof(long) is also assumed all over the place in Linux, and there is > > > > "Linux == kernel" or "Linux == distro"? > > Both. No. Linux == kernel GNU/Linux == what distros are generally based on. -- Brett Parker -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Sun Java available from non-free
On Sun, Jun 04, 2006 at 11:02:59PM +0200, Javier Fern?ndez-Sanguino Pe?a wrote: > On Sun, Jun 04, 2006 at 04:52:22PM +0200, Wouter Verhelst wrote: > > > - something it already had (admins who really wanted Sun's Java could > > > always go to java.sun.com and install it themselves or use java-package) > > > > Well, see, *this* is not true. Sure, it's possible to install Java on a > > Debian system; one can even turn a non-free binary java distribution > > into a Debian package and install that by using java-package. However, > > this is a far cry from > > * Being able to install non-free Java on your Debian system, even if the > > oldest Java binaries being distributed by the original authors are > > more recent than the ones java-package is ready for > > * Being able to just install non-free Java by running "apt-get install". > > * Being able to upgrade to a newer (fixed) version of Java by just > > running "apt-get upgrade" > > Please RTFM [1], Blackdown has been distributing java packages for Debian > through their own APT repositories and mirror network for quite some time. > For example check this: > > # Blackdown Java > deb ftp://ftp.gwdg.de/pub/languages/java/linux/debian unstable non-free Apparently you've not been following the world very closely, blackdown haven't updated the packages in that archive for "some time", and now suggest using java-package to create your own packages. Personally, I'd much rather the Sun JVM was removed from non-free until the licence is sorted to an extent that means SPI isn't legally bound by distributing it in non-free. java-package works, and it works well. Thanks, -- Brett Parker -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Sun Java available from non-free
On Sun, Jun 04, 2006 at 05:39:10PM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote: > On Sun, Jun 04, 2006 at 12:18:39AM -0700, Mike Bird wrote: > > Too many excuses. All inadequate. > > > > It is past time that the covert actions of the "small cabal" > > were openly reviewed. The license (for convenience), any > > relevant written promises from Sun (if any), and any relevant > > written legal opinions from counsel (if any) should forthwith > > be posted to debian-legal. > > For those playing along at home, Mike isn't a Debian developer, doesn't > maintain any packages, and isn't a new-maintainer applicant. He doesn't > even seem to be a regular participant on the debian-legal list. For those DPLs that should know better... he has a fair point. Rather than debunking, how about participating? Cheers, Brett. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Sun Java available from non-free
On Mon, May 22, 2006 at 01:39:47PM +0200, Wouter Verhelst wrote: > On Mon, May 22, 2006 at 12:35:41PM +0200, Michael Meskes wrote: > > You are told by a programmer that you are allowed to offer their > > software on your server, but the programmer also tells you that his > > statement is legally not binding and the license says you are not > > allowed to offer it. Then you offer it on your server and some of your > > customers has a huge problem with that software and wants to sue someone > > to cover their losses. Now the company that developed the software says > > you were never allowed to offer it and with their own version your > > customer wouldn't have got into trouble. > > I don't think they'd be able to make a case with that, unless they can > prove that we seriously tampered with their software and that our > version is totally different from theirs. Since they've been doing most > of the packaging work themselves, I think that's going to be very, > *very* hard. > > If I ask you to please do something, I can't then suddenly turn around > and say that you shouln't have actually been doing that something. That > would be dishonest, and I can't win a case in court by being dishonest. Well, is there a shiny piece of paper, or verifiable gpg signed message, or anything else actually tangable that could be taken to court that says "this guy there said it was OK"? > > See I'm talking about a legal problem that isn't solvable by just > > removing software. > > No you're not. You're talking about an issue that only exists in > fantasy. I think that you're missing the word "currently" in that sentence. Cheers, -- Brett Parker -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Sun Java available from non-free
On Sun, May 21, 2006 at 03:58:18PM -0500, Raphael Hertzog <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sun, 21 May 2006, Thomas Weber wrote: > > Don't you think that the main problem here is that there *wasn't* any > > discussion, at least for the vast majority of Debian developers and > > users? > > No, if we should discuss before taking any action we wouldn't get > anything done. If you really want to contest the decision, you have the > GR. > > That's it, but it would be unproductive. How so? a GR to get it back out again because of a bad licence seems like a good idea at the moment (but, IANADD, so your milage may vary). It seems that there's a fairly large group of people that do not agree with the licence, and from the discussion on the list I'm inclined to agree with them. > > And yes, as a Debian user I'm surprised that such decisions are > > taken behind closed doors; this is not a security related issue and it > > wouldn't have done any harm to Debian to discuss this in the open. > > Someone from Sun contacts you to examinate a new license for Java and ask > you advice and all, and ask you to keep that info private. What do you > respond to him ? "No sorry, we really don't care, go away"? Bing bing bing... and so they become too close to the situation... > There was no other choice, that's all. Yes there was, just because you're reviewing a licence and giving feedback doesn't then mean that it should be added to the archive without discussion... > > If that had delayed the inclusion, so be it; after several years without > > Sun's Java in Debian, some more weeks wouldn't have hurt neither users > > nor the project itself. > > And we would have lost an opportunity to do some PR stuff and show > everyone that we're an important player in the Linux world. Ah right, so it's all a PR excercise... I assume that it was part of the planning that it'd go in and *then* there'd be an uproar about it then, that's *great* PR that is. > The choice has already been made. Both sides have positive sides and > negative ones. The choice has been made, no point in discussing it over > again and again. *sigh* - so, in your eyes there's no fix, it's a one off "it's been done, let's move on" and leave it in non-free? > > Oh, and the impression that pushing non-free packages in after several > > hours has a high priority, while (license-wise) simple packages linger > > for weeks in NEW was probably a bonus[1]. > > I have to agree this sucks but if you have the schedule in mind it's easy > to understand: > - NEW is done by Joerg usually, he's organizing debconf so there's a > backlog due to that > - Sun guys are here at debconf and finalize discussions with the java > maintainers (Jeroen, Matthias Klose, Barry Hawkins), the package is > finally uploaded and immediately installed by Jeroen (or another > ftpmaster) > - We make an announce (almost) the same day than Sun announces its stuff > at Javaone ... Right... and this is good in what way? > > > > It would be bad PR if Debian will have to remove Sun Java from the > > > > archive, shortly after public announcements that it accepted it in. > > > > > > No it wouldn't. > > > > Well, there I disagree with you: it would. At the very least, it would > > give the impression that Debian can't decide what it wants. > > No, it would simply show that Sun is not committed to what they told us. > We have been reasonable and accepted to work with them. If they change > their mind, then it's Sun which is not reasonable. Errr, hang on... surely it shouldn't have been accepted in to the archive *until* the commitment had reached it's potential so that we then didn't have this endless debate on the list, and the potential of a GR? Surely it's up to the project to decide what's fit for inclusion, and with the current licence, I don't see as it is. Cheers, Brett. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Sun Java available from non-free
On Sun, May 21, 2006 at 11:51:38PM +0200, Pierre Habouzit <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Le Dim 21 Mai 2006 23:04, Raphael Hertzog a écrit : > > Fears are unfounded, we can at any time terminate the license by > > removing java! > > just do it, shall we ? Gets my, uncountable, vote. Cheers, Brett. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Bug#365010: Xserver G5 usb keyboard not loaded ...
On Thu, Apr 27, 2006 at 07:10:08PM +0200, Sven Luther wrote: > On Thu, Apr 27, 2006 at 06:46:11PM +0200, Frans Pop wrote: > > (dropping the ridiculous CC list, AFAICT everybody is subscribed) > > > > On Thursday 27 April 2006 17:47, Sven Luther wrote: > > > None, it is the full decision of the project admin, and i believe what > > > happened here is that one such project admin did let some petty > > > personal considerations overstep his responsabilities. > > > > Yep, and the "admin" feels completely justified by this ridiculous > > escalation of a minor issue [0]. > > > > The commit access was revoked based on the fact Sven resigned but that > > decision was influenced by the circumstances in which that happened. Not > > only I, but several members of the d-i team, have long had issues working > > with Sven and basically we decided enough was enough. > > Then live up to your responsability and don't let the powerpc port break > again, because i promise you i will be watching and remembering the world of > your failure if that happens. Right - so rather than being useful, and submitting patches, what you're going to do is whine on the list about it and make a fool of yourself, whilst crying wolf anytime that something inane goes wrong? Coo, you're *good* and a valuable asset to the community. > This is the price you pay for kicking people out, after doing your best for > hurting them in the first place. Now who's having petty problems with people? -- Brett Parker -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: etch before vista
On Fri, Mar 24, 2006 at 07:41:39PM +0100, A Mennucc <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I hope we do manage to release in Dec 2005 (and I thank people who > work hard to this end). Coo - who's got the time machine? Releasing Etch in Dec 2005 could be somewhat tricky without it. *grin* Brett. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Bug#353277: ndiswrapper in main
On Sat, Feb 18, 2006 at 05:36:37PM +0100, Mike Hommey wrote: > On Sat, Feb 18, 2006 at 05:04:54PM +0100, Goswin von Brederlow > > The availability to do this is enough even if there are other > > (possibly better) ways to do the same. One free driver _in_ Debian and > > the package should stay in main. > > > > But does the cipe-source build or ship the windows driver for use with > > ndiswraper? I doubt that. > > > > Which means you need some software (even if it is free) from outside > > Debian for ndiswraper. That makes it contrib imho. > > Are there any free MSWord files in main ? No ? Then please move > antiword and similar tools to contrib. *points at abiword and openoffice.org* -- Brett Parker -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Honesty in Debian (was Re: Amendment to GR on GFDL, and the changes to the Social Contract
On Mon, Feb 13, 2006 at 10:55:57AM +0100, Xavier Roche wrote: > On Mon, 13 Feb 2006, Sven Luther wrote: > > > Fonts or documentations are not softwares, for god's sake! > > everything that is not hardware is software > > So a cat is a software, or a hardware ? Do I have to provide the sources > (the DNA full sequence) if I want to give a kitten to someone, following > the "free" spirit ? :p A cat is hardware, obviously (it's a physical entity), it runs a proprietary operating system, but can be taught. This is very much unrelated to the rest of the thread *grin*. > > all the rest is excuses and play with words. > > My opinion is that my holiday pictures aren't neither hardware nor > software. They're software, sortof... but you don't *have* to make them Free ;) > > Indeed, but they should know (and we should tell them), that the hardware > > they > > are buying is not free-software friendly > > Err, I think the problem is that most users *do not care*. They just want > their card to *work*. But if distributing the drivers is not possible (even in non-free), then we don't want to do that... if they can be distributed, but we haven't got source and the licence doesn't allow modifications, they should be in non-free... just because the *users* might not care, doesn't mean that we can randomly change the definition of free and non-free... no matter *how* many kittens you get involved. > I think this more productive to make their card work, AND then tell them > "this card is working with a non-free piece of thing, meaning that you may > have problems in the future in case of bugs or after upgrading your > system. please ask the manufacturer to do something about it" Agreed. But if the driver is non-free, then it doesn't belong in anywhere but non-free... making a custom CD for the non-free hardware maybe an option? > > so that they have a chance to vote > > with their wallet and chose those companies who are friendly to free > > software > > You mean Mandriva ? > > > when buying hardware, so hiddenly putting non-free software in main, is > > I was talking about firmwares, that is, opaque piece of bits aimed to be > run on an external, exmbedded system, part of the hartdware. If it's *real* firmware, then it's embedded on the hardware... and so we don't need to distribute it, and then it is 'hardware'... if we're having to upload it, then it's undoubtedly software, and we want the freedom to modify it, and distribute it... at least for main... for non-free we just want the right to distribute it. > > counterproductive, while putting it in non-free, and making its use easy if > > the user wants to, is the right way out of this, and the more (if not only) > > honest way of dealing with this issue. > > In this case, yes, the solution might be to create a "non-free-data" > *distributed* and available in standard. That looks like a new section to "side step" the fact that this is non-free... "hmmm". > > So, you believe that documentation is hardware, well, this is a sensible > > No more software or hardware than a cat. The world is not binary. Look, cats are hardware running a proprietary OS, stop trying to blur lines that are clear cut ;) -- Brett Parker -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: For those who care about lesbians
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Andrew Suffield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sat, Jan 14, 2006 at 11:03:37PM +0000, Brett Parker wrote: > > Of course, the post to d-d-a about lesbians that then goes on state > > > """ > > Don't post irrelevant stuff here. It would be a real shame if the list > > had to be moderated because people can't exercise good judgement. > > """ > > > > Seems to me that you really hadn't thought about what you were posting, > > or where. That was not an appropriate place for the post, and you should > > know better. > > It looks to me rather like you missed the point of that mail, despite > quoting it. What did you think the point was? Alternatively, what do > you think is the correct mailing list for contacting (all of) the > developers about appropriate use of d-d-a? I didn't miss the point of the mail, the way the point was put across however was wrong and unprofessional, or can you not see that? As others have stated, d-d-a is not just read by debian developers, it has a rather wider scope, it being an announcement list and all. It would be rather good to see you behave a little more professionally and a little less rashly in the future. - -- Brett Parker web: http://www.sommitrealweird.co.uk/ email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFDyjihEh8oWxevnjQRAqzsAKCl1Bemy1UWv7NaFTArXpLL3WKkUQCfXaim spUxnWCkay84maAW2+lwS2E= =9cG3 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: For those who care about lesbians
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Andrew Suffield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sat, Jan 14, 2006 at 05:51:03PM +, Roger Leigh wrote: > > >> If you still can't take the hint, I'll be more blunt: this isn't the > > >> first crass stunt you've pulled by any means, and you are now right at > > >> the limits of many peoples tolerance. Pull another one again, I may > > >> be forced to file a request for your expulsion. That might happen for > > >> this one yet. > > > > > > If your message is merely a troll, I would respectfully ask you > > > please to expell yourself. > > > > I was perfectly serious. This is merely the latest in a number of > > things Mr Suffield has done which are detrimental to the project in a > > number of ways. Some of these are not a matter of public record, so > > you would be unaware of them. > > I hope you realise that if I were the litigious type, you would be > receiving a court summons in the next day or two (it's lies, btw, for > those of you watching - I hope nobody bought that 'secret offenses' > noise, it's like the PATRIOT act or something). Consider yourself > fortunate that I am not so inclined, and be *very* careful about what > you say in the future; other UK residents may not be so generous. Of > course, if I find you causing me actual monetary damage in some way, I > might change my mind. And, if it's all so wrong, how comes you're defending it with a threat of legal action on a public mailing list... Given that I tend to skip your posts on most lists because they are either not thought through or plain rude, maybe you don't read your own writing? Of course, this is only my opinion. Of course, the post to d-d-a about lesbians that then goes on state """ Don't post irrelevant stuff here. It would be a real shame if the list had to be moderated because people can't exercise good judgement. """ Seems to me that you really hadn't thought about what you were posting, or where. That was not an appropriate place for the post, and you should know better. - -- Brett Parker web: http://www.sommitrealweird.co.uk/ email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFDyYNJEh8oWxevnjQRApwUAKCS+UzDXQQn3NUTRM3ld0X01GHZegCgmhiG DdRk6BX7Ve3otKoH5W9jzns= =WuT+ -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Bug#335246: ITP: python-django -- A high-level Python Web framework
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Brett Parker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * Package name: python-django Version : 1.0.0 (when it's released) * URL : http://www.djangoproject.com/ * License : BSD Description : A high-level Python Web framework Django is a high-level Python Web framework that encourages rapid development and clean, pragmatic design. -- System Information: Debian Release: testing/unstable APT prefers unstable APT policy: (500, 'unstable') Architecture: amd64 (x86_64) Shell: /bin/sh linked to /bin/bash Kernel: Linux 2.6.11-9-amd64-k8 Locale: LANG=en_GB.UTF-8, LC_CTYPE=en_GB.UTF-8 (charmap=UTF-8) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Bug#323240: ITP: viruskiller -- Game about viruses invading your computer
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Florian Ragwitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Package: wnpp > Severity: wishlist > Owner: Florian Ragwitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > * Package name: viruskiller > Version : 1.0-1 > Upstream Author : Stephen Sweeney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > * URL : http://www.parallelrealities.co.uk/virusKiller.php > * License : GPL-2 > Description : Game about viruses invading your computer > > Your computer has been invaded! Dozens of little viruses are pouring in > via security holes in Microsoft Internet Explorer, Microsoft Outlook, > Microsoft MSN Messenger and Microsoft Recycle Bin!! Using your trusty > mouse you must shoot the buggers before they can destroy your files! > Some will steal them from their home directories and take them back to > their security hole. Others will just eat them right there on the spot! > See how long you and your computer can survive the onslaught! Sounds fun. Might be worth rewording to get rid of "buggers", maybe replace it with "little blighters" or similar? Cheers, - -- Brett Parker web: http://www.sommitrealweird.co.uk/ email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFDANYHEh8oWxevnjQRAimwAKCfjERTC7p8JbT4mrR2M/hnyevHMACgmkXA 3fmKEKPGdLn/alN4Z9ehjag= =AZYq -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: graphic installation to debian
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Jaldhar H. Vyas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Mon, 20 Jun 2005, Brett Parker wrote: > > >But *why*? > > Indian languages have conjunct, variable-length characters so it is > impossible to display them properly on the console. So some kind of > graphical solution is our only choice if we want to support about 1.7 > billion people. Ahhh, thanks, didn't realise that. I thought that there were console fonts available that covered it. Thanks, - -- Brett Parker web: http://www.sommitrealweird.co.uk/ email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFCttGREh8oWxevnjQRAkWiAJ9SlePpoj5dHLdu0oxS/Xn18VMAFwCdE3rK a3iAEIiGyAUIpLK3EVwubgo= =OCo/ -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: graphic installation to debian
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Colin Watson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Mon, Jun 20, 2005 at 02:29:21PM +0100, Brett Parker wrote: > > Markus Åkerman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > i suggest a raphical insallation to debian, one is soon coming ro gentoo. > > > > But *why*? I see little to no advantage over what we've currently got, > > fine for a desktop install, but what on earth do you want something > > firing up X for a simple server setup? > > A graphical version of d-i will be optional. Ah, that's alright then :) > > Or even using framebuffer? > > Note that the current installer already uses a framebuffer, in order to > provide decent rendering of text in languages that aren't just ASCII. I did really know that, but we're not really using all the features that the framebuffer really has to offer, are we? It's still ncurses based and "just works" (tm). Thanks, - -- Brett Parker web: http://www.sommitrealweird.co.uk/ email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFCttFiEh8oWxevnjQRAp2kAJ46ITnkTfPril6ZkVsORihxFT2HegCfVtOs zsAJR8ItFbU7XOLliurKyz8= =oWbQ -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: graphic installation to debian
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Markus Åkerman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > hi, > > i suggest a raphical insallation to debian, one is soon coming ro gentoo. But *why*? I see little to no advantage over what we've currently got, fine for a desktop install, but what on earth do you want something firing up X for a simple server setup? Or even using framebuffer? How about we stick with something 'simple' that 'just works'? I'd rather have consistently easy installs than something that gets in the damned way and wants more dependencies than you can shake a large stick at. Thanks, - -- Brett Parker web: http://www.sommitrealweird.co.uk/ email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFCtsSxEh8oWxevnjQRApk2AJ4jukkQJ6+dtKe/6MAtY+xvPkbdHACfR70Z wME8ICaj7MIg8PimMH98hFw= =Rpmr -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ITP: sid - Run commands in your /sid chroot
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hamish Moffatt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Fri, May 27, 2005 at 01:56:54PM +0200, Bill Allombert wrote: > > Well not really, but I am using a program called 'sid' for some years > > now, and I thought I would share it with you. > > Here's my wishlist bug report then ;-) > > I would like to be able to end up in the same directory inside the > chroot as I was outside. (Assume I have bind mounts or equivalent > directory structures or whatever.) > > I need to chroot into my i386 install to build packages on amd64. > Usually I'm in the right directory on amd64 debugging so a chroot to the > same directory to do the i386 build would be very handy. > > I imagine that's a pretty simple change I should just do myself. Erm, dchroot already does this. (I've got an amd64 with bind mounted home, an i386 chroot, an i386 testing chroot and an ubuntu hoary chroot, I've also got pbuilder setup to build for i386, which is much nicer than building in a (potentially) unclean chroot). Thanks, - -- Brett Parker web: http://www.sommitrealweird.co.uk/ email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFClxahEh8oWxevnjQRAgVtAKCVB2xRz8a5SkMIi9ngbNKQQ2k+HQCgylgK ejkpgeRpBp8s5Zfs6ZMGAHU= =6AI5 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian AMD64 Archive Move
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Ed Cogburn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Yea, like annoying users by leaving non-free behind just because you're still > mad that the DDs voted to keep it. Sure. I *am* an AMD64 user, and I can completely understand *why* they are being cautious. You, however, are just being plain rude to the NON-OFFICIAL amd64 porting team. If you're *THAT* in need of non-free, add in the i386 sources line for it and *BUILD THEM YOURSELF*. The amd64 port is *NOT* official yet, and while there's a release cycle going, I'd rather the developers GOT ON WITH THE RELEASE, than waste time on the packages in non-free, just what exactly do you need from there that you can't build anyway? Also, if you're *really* that bothered, why not use Ubuntu which has *official* support for amd64? (I know my reasons for sticking to debian unstable, do you?) Thanks, - -- Brett Parker web: http://www.sommitrealweird.co.uk/ email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.0 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFCgcGMEh8oWxevnjQRAp12AKCccqkD4DW4Y7nzmI91I59QkuvyzACgptZM Dh8hkXXWT+Ko7idWgxnqAok= =VLgs -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: scripts to download porn in Debian?
On Thu, Feb 03, 2005 at 02:28:44AM +1100, Sam Watkins wrote: > On Tue, Jan 25, 2005 at 08:54:18AM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: > > > Oh, are we turning into a children's distribution now? > > > > I hope not. > > I think it's fairly obvious that we're a wanker's distribution, not a > children's distribution. Any chance that we can avoid statements like that, please. I agree that the distribution should not alter to 'protect children' at all costs, but we do *not* need the childish behaviour that has been displayed in this thread, it does nothing to improve the quality of the debian distribution and makes us look bad. What we *really* should be concentrating on is getting the next release (sarge) out of the door, and improving our release mechanism, not debating wether or not this that or the other is a parent issue or a distribution issue, the solutions that where put forward earlier seemed sensible and to the point. Thanks, -- Brett Parker -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: apply to NM? ha!
On Mon, Jan 24, 2005 at 05:40:18PM -0600, Gunnar Wolf wrote: > Brett Parker dijo [Mon, Jan 24, 2005 at 10:38:23AM +]: > > > and don't bother replying, i've unsubbed from this list. get on with > > > your lives and ignore this if you can't/won't deal with it - i don't > > > want to deal with people that will waste my time for their petty little > > > politics. > > > > Please please *PLEASE* tell me that people like this get through NM... I > > don't think I could cope with it. Looking at the IRC log, I'm not > > entirely sure what the problem is. > > I don't know (and don't want to, don't point me to it ;-) ) who > advocated a person with such a delicate skin to enter NM. I mean, NM > is for people who are _already_ somewhat involved in Debian... And if > a little aggressivity puts you off that badly, then... I can understand getting pieved by the aggresiveness, some of the time, but in this case, I couldn't see any direct aggresiveness *except* from him. I do not appreciate reading a list of explitives just because someone has had a bad time and think they are being dealt with unfairly. Yes, I've probably made this mistake myself before now, but generally not in a public mailing list, and certainly not by declaring an entire group of loosely coupled developers quite so many names (Microsofts development team excluded here, they knew what they were letting 'emselves in for). There are better ways to convey ones meaning, in a more positive and thus more widely read and understood manner. I wonder if he actually knows any debian developers in real life. The (relatively) few that I have (had the pleasure to have) met have tended to be very curteous and polite most of the time. One day I might actually get round to applying, until then I'll stick with just the xmms-scrobbler package and my friendly uploader. Thanks, -- Brett Parker -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: apply to NM? ha!
On Mon, Jan 24, 2005 at 10:38:23AM +, Brett Parker wrote: > On Mon, Jan 24, 2005 at 05:01:19AM -0500, SR, ESC wrote: > > Le lun 2005-01-24 a 04:49:06 -0500, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh <[EMAIL > > PROTECTED]> a dit: > > > On Mon, 24 Jan 2005, Steve Langasek wrote: > > > > report. The last thing Debian needs is more ignorant assholes. > > > > "vorlon": i've killfiled you. good riddance. > > > > > We have way too many as it is, I have to agree... > > > > if you aren't part of the solution, you are part of the problem. > > Yes, yes you are. > > > and don't bother replying, i've unsubbed from this list. get on with > > your lives and ignore this if you can't/won't deal with it - i don't > > want to deal with people that will waste my time for their petty little > > politics. > > Please please *PLEASE* tell me that people like this get through NM... I ^ don't > don't think I could cope with it. Looking at the IRC log, I'm not > entirely sure what the problem is. Must read what I'm typing... I think it was the interveaning phone call that caused that silly typo. Cheers, -- Brett Parker -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: apply to NM? ha!
On Mon, Jan 24, 2005 at 05:01:19AM -0500, SR, ESC wrote: > Le lun 2005-01-24 a 04:49:06 -0500, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh <[EMAIL > PROTECTED]> a dit: > > On Mon, 24 Jan 2005, Steve Langasek wrote: > > > report. The last thing Debian needs is more ignorant assholes. > > "vorlon": i've killfiled you. good riddance. > > > We have way too many as it is, I have to agree... > > if you aren't part of the solution, you are part of the problem. Yes, yes you are. > and don't bother replying, i've unsubbed from this list. get on with > your lives and ignore this if you can't/won't deal with it - i don't > want to deal with people that will waste my time for their petty little > politics. Please please *PLEASE* tell me that people like this get through NM... I don't think I could cope with it. Looking at the IRC log, I'm not entirely sure what the problem is. Hohum, -- Brett Parker -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Bug#283976: ITP: simnazi -- historical city simulation game, clone of Sim City
On Thu, Dec 02, 2004 at 06:21:36PM +0100, Josselin Mouette wrote: > Package: wnpp > Severity: wishlist > > * Package name: simnazi > Version : 0.0.1 > Upstream Author : Chris Statzer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > * URL : http://simnazi.sourceforge.net/ > * License : GPL > Description : historical city simulation game, clone of Sim City > > SimNazi is an isometric city simulation. The object of SimNazi is to keep > your citizens under your thumb, and manage to generate enough resources > and soldiers to withstand the hardships of WWII. > > The game play is centered around "what if hitler had developed Nuclear > Weapons first?", or "What if the Nazi army had beed supplied better and > the allies were unable to discontinue their supply chain?". It is the > Goal of SimNazi to be as historicaly accurate as possible. Bah. Built it, ran it, got this: Initializing SDL. Audio & Video initialized correctly Fatal signal: Segmentation Fault (SDL Parachute Deployed) That's no good... maybe I should try the CVS version :) Cheers, -- Brett Parker web: http://www.sommitrealweird.co.uk/ email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
