Re: Le systèm
Frederic == Frederic Cella [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: [...] Frederic une question : concernant apt-get , il n'y a pas de Frederic solution pour recuperer un paquet binaire donné qu'il soit Frederic deja installé sur le systeme ? Tu veux dire reconstruire un paquet à partir des fichiers installés sur le système ? -- Laurent Martelli [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.bearteam.org/~laurent/
Re: Cahier de doléances pour Debian, version
Igor == Igor Genibel [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Igor On Thu, Jan 24, 2002 at 03:25:27PM +0100, Frederic wrote: Je ne suis absolument pas d'accord. Car, - devenir développeur aujourd'hui, ça veut dire passer par des étapes qui permettent de garantir, que quelqu'un aura un certain niveau de qualification après son admission ; cqfd, la preuve par quatre aujourd'hui montre que le systeme elitiste mis en place est de la foutaise... Igor Quelle est donc cette belle preuve par quatre que tu nous Igor tends sans la montrer ? Tu dis que c'est un système élitiste Igor (peut-être tout dépend de la définition que tu peux avoir de Igor ce mot), mais serais-tu d'accord que le péquin moyen (sans Igor offenser personne) soit *responsable* d'un soft qui pourrait Igor être très sensible sur ton système ? Moi pas, j'approuve le Igor processus d'intégration (non parce que je fait partie du Igor projet) mais surtout pour assurer certaines garanties internes Igor mais surtout externe au projet. Je les approuvaient déjà Igor avant. Les développeurs Debian sont volontaires et bénévoles donc à priori responsables de rien du tout. Si un paquet est critique pour le système, et que c'est un pékin à priori moyen qu'il l'a fait, tu sais que c'est paquet non testé, de quelqu'un que tu ne connais pas. Donc à toi de savoir si tu vas prendre le risque de l'installer ou pas. Si tu prends le risque, tu prends ensuite le temps de noter ce paquet pour que le suivant sache un peu plus à quoi s'attendre. Et en notant le paquet, tu note le producteur du paquet, donc à la longue on finit par savoir qui fait du bon boulot ou pas. -- Laurent Martelli [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.bearteam.org/~laurent/
Re: What do you wish for in an package manager?
Bam == Brian May [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Dwayne == Dwayne C Litzenberger [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Dwayne So my question is: What do you wish for in a package Dwayne manager? Run fast, and do not do things like update-something twice when upgrading several packages at once. Bam 1. Built in support for shared NFS systems. Bam See URL:http://snoopy.apana.org.au/~bam/debian/nfs-dpkg/ Bam for some examples. I believe that most of the issues raised here can be solved with higher abstraction. Currently, installation scripts assume too much about the system. The /usr/doc - /usr/share/doc transition problems are one consequence of this. If files were tagged according to some high level criterions, it would be easier to put change the physical location during installation. Setting the path in the package is bad idea from that point of view. I think that installation scripts should be rather declaratives : in fact they should not be scripts. It would avoid security problems because of badly written scripts, and allow easier extensibility by simply interpreting the declarations in a different way, rather than having to rewrite all the scripts of all packages. In short, the current system totally sucks :-) It's cool that it exists, and it does many things, but it has its limits that can't be pushed very far without a complete rethinking of it. (I'm not a subscriber of the list, so if you want me to read your replies, Cc to me) -- Laurent Martelli [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.linuxfan.com/~laurent
Metapackages (was Re: Debian Weekly News - September 14th, 1999)
JH == Joey Hess [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: JH * The long awaited redesign of the installation profiles has JH begun. Now there are metapackages; packages that depend on a JH group of packages that relate to a common activity, like playing JH games or developing C programs. Martin Bialasinski posted a JH [14]request for help coming up with lists of packages for each JH metapackage. Being able to select several packages by selecting a metapackage is very nice, but how will uninstallation be handled ? Will you be able to uninstall all the packages of a metapackage in one step ? It would also be nice to be able to select the packages one by one, thus providing a new way to hierarchise packages without messing with the old directory structure of the distributions. Is this planned ? -- Laurent Martelli [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Metapackages (was Re: Debian Weekly News - September 14th, 1999)
SB == Stephane Bortzmeyer [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: SB On Thursday 16 September 1999, at 2 h 3, the keyboard of Laurent SB Martelli [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: very nice, but how will uninstallation be handled ? Will you be able to uninstall all the packages of a metapackage in one step ? SB Certainly not: SB - a package can be a member of several meta-packages, We could state that the default is not to remove a package as long as it belongs to a metapackage. SB - a package could have been installed before (and independently SB of) a metapackage which includes it). That could be tracked during the installation of the metapackage. It would know what packages were already installed before. Then when you want to remove the metapackage, you could say only remove packages that were installed by the metapackage or remove all packages, regardless of when they were installed. -- Laurent Martelli [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Metapackages (was Re: Debian Weekly News - September 14th, 1999)
Martin == Martin Bialasinski [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Martin * Laurent == Laurent Martelli [EMAIL PROTECTED] Martin wrote: Martin * Stephane == Stephane Bortzmeyer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Martin wrote: Laurent It would also be nice to be able to select the packages one Laurent by one, thus providing a new way to hierarchise packages Laurent without messing with the old directory structure of the Laurent distributions. Is this planned ? Martin This is not subject to the task packages. I fully agree. I think that classification should be kept out of packages, so that it can be changed without changing all the packages. Martin For better organisation, there were several proposals, but Martin they were not persueded further although there wasn't much Martin resistance - there wasn't simply anyone who wanted to push Martin it through the decision layers). See above. Martin Take a DN Server. A user could search on DNS, DNS Martin server, DNS-Server, bind, name server etc. This is Martin the same effect as with search engines, where you never get Martin the hit you really searched for. I introduced some kind of personnal indexing engine for w3-emacs which allows you to associate keywords to bookmarked pages. When you want to search for a keyword, there's completion on it so that you can quickly find the right one. The same goes when you want to associate a new keyword to a page, so your likely to choose an already existant keyword if you can find one that satisfies your need. Having synonims could also be a solution. -- Laurent Martelli [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian goes big business?
ChL == Christian Lavoie [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: ChL Bottom line: Debian should remain developer controlled. What about non-developper users ? Shouldn't they have a word to say, even if they can't or do not have the time to contribute with code ? Laurent
