Re: what is /.udev for ?

2005-02-16 Thread Lucas de Sousa

On that scenario does not seem a unreasonable action to delete it without 
looking. It just 15 minutes to take it back.
I would take more time google'ing it, than reinstaling it. 

But you missed my point. 

Even the people here that supports the /.dev mount agrees that is not the 
right place for it. It does not match the FHS, and it is a bit weird.

I understand that there only a few places to it.

I do believe that the right thing is to be disabled by default.
But this is for the policy guys to begin long flames about.

Em Seg 14 Fev 2005 11:14, Tollef Fog Heen escreveu:
> * Peter Samuelson
>
> | [Tollef Fog Heen]
> |
> | > Assume makes an ass of u an' me.
> |
> | Why do people keep circulating this saying?  It makes no sense.
> | Normally, assuming only ever has the power to make an ass of the person
> | who did the assuming, i.e. "me", not "u and me".  And even then, it's
> | not like you could get very far in life without making any assumptions,
> | so at best even that part is only sometimes true.
>
> It's assuming without actually checking first.  «This looks like junk,
> so I'll just rm -rf it» rather than «this looks like junk -- uhm.
> *think*.  google around a bit and then removing it the right way.»
>
> --
> Tollef Fog Heen   
> ,''`. UNIX is user friendly, it's just picky about who its friends are 
> : :' : `. `' `-

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Re: what is /.udev for ?

2005-02-12 Thread Lucas de Sousa
> > > Rules to live by:
> > >   Look before you leap.
> > >   Measure twice, cut once.
> > >   Google it!
> >
> > This is a very good set of rules if all of our intendend users are
> > experts.
>
> So you are saying that these are *not* good rules for amateurs?

It is
But is not wise to develop software that depends on it.

:)

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Re: what is /.udev for ?

2005-02-12 Thread Lucas de Sousa
> > 'rm' is not a proper tool for file removal?
>
> Rules to live by:
>   Look before you leap.
>   Measure twice, cut once.
>   Google it!

This is a very good set of rules if all of our intendend users are experts.

:)

And even to experts...
If I have not readed this here 
I would look at it.
And promptly removed it.
(rm -Rf style, yes)
Assuming that is unclean installation junk.


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Re: what is /.udev for ?

2005-02-09 Thread Lucas de Sousa
To mount inside the /dev seems a very good idea.

Something like /dev/compatxx, /dev/stddev, /dev/old, /dev/original or else.

About the fhs ... standards can change.
But the unixes fhs is uglier enougth as it is.
:)

Em Qua 09 Fev 2005 20:42, David Mandelberg escreveu:

> GOMBAS Gabor wrote:
> > ... which would mean that it would become unaccessible (and thus
> > meaningless) as the real /var gets mounted later in the boot process.
> > You cannot reliably put it under a directory that is not guaranteed to
> > be on the root file system; that leaves roughly /, /etc, /bin, /lib and
> > /sbin. Pick your favourite :-)
>
> What about this:
>
> TMPDEV="`mktemp -d /tmp/devXX || { mkdir /.dev; echo -n /.dev; }`"
> mount -o bind /dev $TMPDEV
> mount -t tmpfs none /dev
> mkdir /dev/orig
> mount -o bind $TMPDEV /dev/orig
> umount $TMPDEV
> rm -rf $TMPDEV
>
> This way there's no clutter in / and the original dev is mounted in a valid
> place that won't get overmounted later. It's also fhs compliant I think.

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