Re: Advice needed : Oracle and Debian Linux
Michael Meskes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Fri, Jun 20, 2003 at 12:53:34AM +1000, Russell Coker wrote: >> As for the support people, I don't think that necessarily makes it >> impossible. >> If you started up a company to produce a commercial distribution based on >> Debian for running Oracle then having your people answer the phones at >> Oracle >> would be good for business... > > Not really. These people are on your pay roll but do not generate any > revenue. So you have to have a lot of people busing this distro to run > Oracle to make it work. If you charge per incident or such, then those people would generate revenue. Also, the ability to advertise that you have people at Oracle answering questions could help generate revenue as well. Basically, the assumption is that you would construct your business plan so that it was good for business :-) Kevin pgphz6BJiSkod.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Advice needed : Oracle and Debian Linux
On Fri, Jun 20, 2003 at 12:53:34AM +1000, Russell Coker wrote: > As for the support people, I don't think that necessarily makes it > impossible. > If you started up a company to produce a commercial distribution based on > Debian for running Oracle then having your people answer the phones at Oracle > would be good for business... Not really. These people are on your pay roll but do not generate any revenue. So you have to have a lot of people busing this distro to run Oracle to make it work. Michael -- Michael Meskes Email: Michael at Fam-Meskes dot De ICQ: 179140304, AIM: michaelmeskes, Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Go SF 49ers! Go Rhein Fire! Use Debian GNU/Linux! Use PostgreSQL!
Re: Advice needed : Oracle and Debian Linux
On Thu, 19 Jun 2003 23:50, Michael Meskes wrote: > On Wed, Jun 18, 2003 at 10:13:17PM +1000, Russell Coker wrote: > > If a company wants to make a commercial distribution based on Debian then > > providing that they accept certain kernel patches and comply with a > > rigorous test program then I think that SAP would be interested in > > dealing with them. > > > > I imagine that the situation will be similar for Oracle. > > I wonder if that's all or the same support problem arises as with > Oracle. I believe that I was being given honest answers to my questions. So the only issue is whether the person I was talking to knows what *really* happens. As for the support people, I don't think that necessarily makes it impossible. If you started up a company to produce a commercial distribution based on Debian for running Oracle then having your people answer the phones at Oracle would be good for business... -- http://www.coker.com.au/selinux/ My NSA Security Enhanced Linux packages http://www.coker.com.au/bonnie++/ Bonnie++ hard drive benchmark http://www.coker.com.au/postal/Postal SMTP/POP benchmark http://www.coker.com.au/~russell/ My home page
Re: Advice needed : Oracle and Debian Linux
On Wed, Jun 18, 2003 at 10:13:17PM +1000, Russell Coker wrote: > If a company wants to make a commercial distribution based on Debian then > providing that they accept certain kernel patches and comply with a rigorous > test program then I think that SAP would be interested in dealing with them. > > I imagine that the situation will be similar for Oracle. I wonder if that's all or the same support problem arises as with Oracle. Michael -- Michael Meskes Email: Michael at Fam-Meskes dot De ICQ: 179140304, AIM: michaelmeskes, Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Go SF 49ers! Go Rhein Fire! Use Debian GNU/Linux! Use PostgreSQL!
Re: Advice needed : Oracle and Debian Linux
On Wed, Jun 18, 2003 at 01:06:46PM +0200, Antonio Pïrez Pïrez wrote: > A "little" question from an user: > What could Debian do to be supported by Oracle? Nothing. Sorry, but that's the way it is. To become supported by Oracle you have to make sure enough of your people are sitting at the Oracle support center to answer all OS specific questions. That does not only mean several people, but also pay them as Oracle does not. Michael -- Michael Meskes Email: Michael at Fam-Meskes dot De ICQ: 179140304, AIM: michaelmeskes, Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Go SF 49ers! Go Rhein Fire! Use Debian GNU/Linux! Use PostgreSQL!
Re: Advice needed : Oracle and Debian Linux
On Wed, 18 Jun 2003 21:06, Antonio Pérez Pérez wrote: > A "little" question from an user: > What could Debian do to be supported by Oracle? > Is there any way to contact them and become a supported distribution? I am not aware of what might be necessary for this, but I imagine it to be similar to the requirements for SAP support. Some time ago I spoke with a SAP employee who uses Debian for his own personal use about getting SAP support. He told me that due to some German laws about liability for failures etc SAP is unwilling to support any distribution that is not commercial. If a buggy kernel causes data loss then someone has to be held accountable, Debian can't and SAP is unwilling to take the responsibility themselves for what might happen when running their software on a kernel that they have not tested. The kernels from ftp.kernel.org don't seem to meet the requirements for serious database use. If a company wants to make a commercial distribution based on Debian then providing that they accept certain kernel patches and comply with a rigorous test program then I think that SAP would be interested in dealing with them. I imagine that the situation will be similar for Oracle. Lindows is not suitable for such things. Are there any other Debian-based commercial distributions that are still going? -- http://www.coker.com.au/selinux/ My NSA Security Enhanced Linux packages http://www.coker.com.au/bonnie++/ Bonnie++ hard drive benchmark http://www.coker.com.au/postal/Postal SMTP/POP benchmark http://www.coker.com.au/~russell/ My home page
Re: Advice needed : Oracle and Debian Linux
On Sun, Jun 15, 2003 at 01:05:13PM +0100, Steve Kemp wrote: > On Sun, Jun 15, 2003 at 01:51:46PM +0200, Michael Meskes wrote: > > > Oracle will refuse to give you any support unless you run redhat. They > > do tell you privately that it works nicely on debian, but no official > > support will be given. > > That's mostly true, they still certify SuSE Linux as well as RedHat. > > I run Oracle with support under SuSE 7.2, and have unsupported > installations running on Debian too - but not in a production > capacity. I'd love to have Debian be a supported platform so that I > don't have to maintain two seperate distributions. A "little" question from an user: What could Debian do to be supported by Oracle? Is there any way to contact them and become a supported distribution? Yes, I know that business are business but... :) Greets, -- Antonio Pérez Pérez |[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.aditel.org/weblog/aperez | [EMAIL PROTECTED] // debian-tags: Desempaquetando el reemplazo de amor ...
