Re: Booting - new idea?
On Thu, 29 Jun 2006 15:14:07 -0300 Gustavo Franco [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 6/29/06, Christian Perrier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Software suspend which exists in kernel for several years? And works properly in Debian since what? Weeks? Months?:-) It doesn't really work properly anywhere, does it? :-P Has worked properly here very well with suspend2, which isn't in the stock kernel unfortunately. Now it also works very well here with vanilla kernel 2.6.17 and the debian package for uswsusp which I've packaged. You can try them out if you like (you need a 2.6.17 kernel), http://www.famdijkstra.org/~tdykstra/debian/uswsusp But I hope they'll get uploaded very soon. grts Tim -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Booting - new idea?
On 6/30/06, Tim Dijkstra [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 29 Jun 2006 15:14:07 -0300 Gustavo Franco [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 6/29/06, Christian Perrier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Software suspend which exists in kernel for several years? And works properly in Debian since what? Weeks? Months?:-) It doesn't really work properly anywhere, does it? :-P Has worked properly here very well with suspend2, which isn't in the stock kernel unfortunately. Oh, ok but my comment was about our kernel really. Now it also works very well here with vanilla kernel 2.6.17 and the debian package for uswsusp which I've packaged. You can try them out if you like (you need a 2.6.17 kernel), http://www.famdijkstra.org/~tdykstra/debian/uswsusp But I hope they'll get uploaded very soon. I'll take a look thanks, but did you see the recent discussion in lkml ? Linus came up with a patch to definitely solve some of the problems with the suspend model. AFAIK, it's not yet into his tree or mm, but i hope to see the changes merged in time for 2.6.18, really cool stuff there. I think you can read a summary by Greg at lwn. regards, -- stratus -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Booting - new idea?
On Fri, Jun 30, 2006 at 11:54:42AM +0200, Tim Dijkstra [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 29 Jun 2006 15:14:07 -0300 Gustavo Franco [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 6/29/06, Christian Perrier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Software suspend which exists in kernel for several years? And works properly in Debian since what? Weeks? Months?:-) It doesn't really work properly anywhere, does it? :-P Has worked properly here very well with suspend2, which isn't in the stock kernel unfortunately. Has worked properly here very well with whatever is in the debian kernel, since 2.6.15 at least. Mike -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Booting - new idea?
On 6/30/06, Mike Hommey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, Jun 30, 2006 at 11:54:42AM +0200, Tim Dijkstra [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 29 Jun 2006 15:14:07 -0300 Gustavo Franco [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 6/29/06, Christian Perrier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Software suspend which exists in kernel for several years? And works properly in Debian since what? Weeks? Months?:-) It doesn't really work properly anywhere, does it? :-P Has worked properly here very well with suspend2, which isn't in the stock kernel unfortunately. Has worked properly here very well with whatever is in the debian kernel, since 2.6.15 at least. Well Mike, maybe very well for you not for many users and some kernel developers[0] agreed. Btw, Greg wrote an article for lwn (major suspend changes), read it there if you're subscribed. Really interesting content that shows the current problems with the kernel implementation (up to 2.6.17) that should be solved soon, since Linus came up with a interesting patch. [0] = http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.linux.power-management.general/1884/focus=1884 regards, -- stratus -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Booting - new idea?
On Fri, Jun 30, 2006 at 01:25:39PM -0300, Gustavo Franco [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 6/30/06, Mike Hommey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, Jun 30, 2006 at 11:54:42AM +0200, Tim Dijkstra [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 29 Jun 2006 15:14:07 -0300 Gustavo Franco [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 6/29/06, Christian Perrier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Software suspend which exists in kernel for several years? And works properly in Debian since what? Weeks? Months?:-) It doesn't really work properly anywhere, does it? :-P Has worked properly here very well with suspend2, which isn't in the stock kernel unfortunately. Has worked properly here very well with whatever is in the debian kernel, since 2.6.15 at least. Well Mike, maybe very well for you not for many users and some kernel developers[0] agreed. Btw, Greg wrote an article for lwn (major suspend changes), read it there if you're subscribed. Really interesting content that shows the current problems with the kernel implementation (up to 2.6.17) that should be solved soon, since Linus came up with a interesting patch. [0] = http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.linux.power-management.general/1884/focus=1884 Hum, this is about suspend to ram, not suspend to disk. Though suspend to ram has been working almost flawlessly for me since 2.6.9 or 2.6.10. (sometimes it freezes at wakeup time). I don't really care if the kernel developpers say it's badly done. It just works. That's all I'm asking. Mike -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Booting - new idea?
On Fri, 30 Jun 2006 13:25:39 -0300 Gustavo Franco [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 6/30/06, Mike Hommey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, Jun 30, 2006 at 11:54:42AM +0200, Tim Dijkstra [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 29 Jun 2006 15:14:07 -0300 Gustavo Franco [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 6/29/06, Christian Perrier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Software suspend which exists in kernel for several years? And works properly in Debian since what? Weeks? Months?:-) It doesn't really work properly anywhere, does it? :-P Has worked properly here very well with suspend2, which isn't in the stock kernel unfortunately. Has worked properly here very well with whatever is in the debian kernel, since 2.6.15 at least. Well Mike, maybe very well for you not for many users and some kernel developers[0] agreed. Btw, Greg wrote an article for lwn (major suspend changes), read it there if you're subscribed. Really interesting content that shows the current problems with the kernel implementation (up to 2.6.17) that should be solved soon, since Linus came up with a interesting patch. [0] = http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.linux.power-management.general/1884/focus=1884 I didn't read the whole thread, but AFAICS it only talks about a (clever) hack to make debugging suspend-to-ram easier... grts Tim signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Booting - new idea?
Hello, booting takes usually tens of seconds and it's based on starting and running different programs. Is it possible to skip this part of booting? Particularly, is it possible to save the state of hardware and memories during shutdown and upload them during boot time? I suppose, this would minimize booting time, if it is technically possible to realize and start programs this way? If there is already this kind of project going on, I'd like to hear about it. Regards, Arto -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Booting - new idea?
Hi On Thu, 29 Jun 2006 13:57:09 +0300 Arto Inkala [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: booting takes usually tens of seconds and it's based on starting and running different programs. Is it possible to skip this part of booting? Particularly, is it possible to save the state of hardware and memories during shutdown and upload them during boot time? I suppose, this would minimize booting time, if it is technically possible to realize and start programs this way? If there is already this kind of project going on, I'd like to hear about it. Software suspend which exists in kernel for several years? -- Michal Čihař | http://cihar.com | http://blog.cihar.com signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: Booting - new idea?
On Thu, 2006-06-29 at 13:57 +0300, Arto Inkala wrote: Hello, booting takes usually tens of seconds and it's based on starting and running different programs. Is it possible to skip this part of booting? Particularly, is it possible to save the state of hardware and memories during shutdown and upload them during boot time? I suppose, this would minimize booting time, if it is technically possible to realize and start programs this way? You mean suspend to disk ? -- Yves-Alexis Perez
Re: Booting - new idea?
Software suspend which exists in kernel for several years? And works properly in Debian since what? Weeks? Months? :-) signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Booting - new idea?
On 6/29/06, Christian Perrier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Software suspend which exists in kernel for several years? And works properly in Debian since what? Weeks? Months?:-) It doesn't really work properly anywhere, does it? :-P regards, -- stratus -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
