Re: Bruce Perens hosts party at OSCON Wednesday night
Paul Hedderly wrote: Will a new DPL be able to break through this barrier of arrogant selfish one-up-manship? Unlikely. The problem seems mostly an unavoidable function of Debian's size. Debian's experience appears to support the earlier experience of others: that large groups differ fundamentally in character from small groups; that human society does not scale, even when we wish that it might. Such immutable facts of human nature are not something any DPL can alter. Will all Debian devs ever be able to encourage and build each other up ... ? Most do so now, in my experience. However, this does not invalidate your observation with regard to the main Debian mailing lists. You are right. As a thought experiment, imagine debian-devel, if Debian had ten times the number of Developers it has today, if Debian were generally ten times the size. signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Bruce Perens hosts party at OSCON Wednesday night
On Sat, Aug 06, 2005 at 07:38:47PM +0100, Andrew Suffield wrote: On Thu, Aug 04, 2005 at 01:58:15PM -0300, Humberto Massa Guimar?es wrote: And to boot, an e-mail calling for curriculae for a recruiting party is on-topic to a DEVELOPERS list No. This is why the debian-jobs list exists. Andrew is right - there was perhaps a more appropriate list. Sadly - yet again, the real problem was the approach Adam took. Instead of a gentle friendly prod towards using the right list, Adam replied with a public antagonistic slapping. I suspect Bruce will probably not bother offering invitations to DD's in the future... Sad really. Why are we so quick to point fingers and wind each other (and outsiders) up. Will a new DPL be able to break through this barrier of arrogant selfish one-up-manship? Will all Debian devs ever be able to encourage and build each other up instead of bickering over their preferred method and style of protocol? I'm not hopeful - human nature is overwhelmingly self-centered and self-absorbed. I'd love to be surprised. -- Paul -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Russell Coker [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Non-UBE commercial email doesn't seem to be a problem on this list, so It is a big problem. No it's not. Are we reading the same list? -miles -- /\ /\ (^.^) ()) *This is the cute kitty virus, please copy this into your sig so it can spread. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Bruce Perens hosts party at OSCON Wednesday night
On Thu, Aug 04, 2005 at 01:58:15PM -0300, Humberto Massa Guimar?es wrote: IMHO this is a profound disrespect for the great work done in Debian by Bruce. Are we thinking of the same guy? And to boot, an e-mail calling for curriculae for a recruiting party is on-topic to a DEVELOPERS list No. This is why the debian-jobs list exists. -- .''`. ** Debian GNU/Linux ** | Andrew Suffield : :' : http://www.debian.org/ | `. `' | `- -- | signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Bruce Perens hosts party at OSCON Wednesday night
On Friday 05 August 2005 11:14, Miles Bader [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Because the intent is obviously to forbid any sort of spam. Spam, as I understand it, generally means UBE. Bruce's message clearly wasn't spam. The traditional definition of spam is UBE or UCE (that's the way it's been for over 10 years). UCE is the most commonly used definition currently, many newbies who have only used the net for 5 years or less think that spam is only UCE, so the UCE category of spam is more commonly applied than the UBE category. Non-UBE commercial email doesn't seem to be a problem on this list, so It is a big problem. The entire point of spamming a mailing list is that a single message can go to thousands or tens of thousands of people. That removes the technical issues related to UBE and makes spamming easier. We still need better anti-spam measures on the mailing lists and other Debian servers. -- http://www.coker.com.au/selinux/ My NSA Security Enhanced Linux packages http://www.coker.com.au/bonnie++/ Bonnie++ hard drive benchmark http://www.coker.com.au/postal/Postal SMTP/POP benchmark http://www.coker.com.au/~russell/ My home page -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Bruce Perens hosts party at OSCON Wednesday night
On Friday 05 August 2005 08:35 am, Russell Coker wrote: On Friday 05 August 2005 11:14, Miles Bader [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Because the intent is obviously to forbid any sort of spam. Spam, as I understand it, generally means UBE. Bruce's message clearly wasn't spam. The traditional definition of spam is UBE or UCE (that's the way it's been for over 10 years). UCE is the most commonly used definition currently, many newbies who have only used the net for 5 years or less think that spam is only UCE, so the UCE category of spam is more commonly applied than the UBE category. Ok, everyone has had a chance to show how large their schlongs are. Can we just let this thread die and let Bruce buy dinner for some people who need jobs? I pray that there are no ACTUAL problems in the future. With all the energy put into these discussions of something that's already happened, you'd think you could go put some effort into some code somewhere... -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote: It was an advertisement for a recruiting party. That's commercial by any definition. Which is wholy irrelevant, because Debian's mailing list policy prohibits UBE, not UCE. See: http://www.debian.org/MailingLists/#ads The sending of any kind of unsolicited *bulk* email to any of the Debian lists is prohibited. (emphasis added) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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* Anthony DeRobertis ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [050804 11:55]: Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote: It was an advertisement for a recruiting party. That's commercial by any definition. Which is wholy irrelevant, because Debian's mailing list policy prohibits UBE, not UCE. See: http://www.debian.org/MailingLists/#ads The sending of any kind of unsolicited *bulk* email to any of the Debian lists is prohibited. (emphasis added) In that case, the description needs to be fixed. Cheers, Andi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Andreas Barth [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Which is wholy irrelevant, because Debian's mailing list policy prohibits UBE, not UCE. See: In that case, the description needs to be fixed. Why? -miles -- Do not taunt Happy Fun Ball. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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* Miles Bader ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [050804 13:54]: Andreas Barth [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Which is wholy irrelevant, because Debian's mailing list policy prohibits UBE, not UCE. See: In that case, the description needs to be fixed. Why? Because the intent is obviously to forbid any sort of spam. Cheers, Andi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Andreas Barth [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: * Miles Bader ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [050804 13:54]: Andreas Barth [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Which is wholy irrelevant, because Debian's mailing list policy prohibits UBE, not UCE. See: In that case, the description needs to be fixed. Why? Because the intent is obviously to forbid any sort of spam. Well, while the message was certainly UCE, that doesn't mean I thought it was inappropriate. Perhaps the policy is just fine as it is, allowing Debian developers to post suitably targeted messages. It was clearly not spam, though it was UCE. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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* Thomas Bushnell BSG ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [050804 18:48]: Andreas Barth [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: * Miles Bader ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [050804 13:54]: Andreas Barth [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Which is wholy irrelevant, because Debian's mailing list policy prohibits UBE, not UCE. See: In that case, the description needs to be fixed. Why? Because the intent is obviously to forbid any sort of spam. Well, while the message was certainly UCE, that doesn't mean I thought it was inappropriate. Perhaps the policy is just fine as it is, allowing Debian developers to post suitably targeted messages. I think we can leave that call to the listmasters (at least, I'll do that). Cheers, Andi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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** Andreas Barth :: * Thomas Bushnell BSG ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [050804 18:48]: Andreas Barth [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: * Miles Bader ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [050804 13:54]: Andreas Barth [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Which is wholy irrelevant, because Debian's mailing list policy prohibits UBE, not UCE. See: In that case, the description needs to be fixed. Why? Because the intent is obviously to forbid any sort of spam. Well, while the message was certainly UCE, that doesn't mean I thought it was inappropriate. Perhaps the policy is just fine as it is, allowing Debian developers to post suitably targeted messages. I think we can leave that call to the listmasters (at least, I'll do that). IMHO this is a profound disrespect for the great work done in Debian by Bruce. Furthermore, it's just stupid. And to boot, an e-mail calling for curriculae for a recruiting party is on-topic to a DEVELOPERS list, and not Unsolicited by those of us (like myself) that could use a new, better, job and for those of us that could use ANY job at all. Massa -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Humberto Massa Guimarães [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: And to boot, an e-mail calling for curriculae for a recruiting party is on-topic to a DEVELOPERS list, and not Unsolicited by those of us (like myself) that could use a new, better, job and for those of us that could use ANY job at all. You are confusing unwelcome with unsolicited. It's not solicited.
Re: Bruce Perens hosts party at OSCON Wednesday night
* Andreas Barth: * Miles Bader ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [050804 13:54]: Andreas Barth [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Which is wholy irrelevant, because Debian's mailing list policy prohibits UBE, not UCE. See: In that case, the description needs to be fixed. Why? Because the intent is obviously to forbid any sort of spam. Spam, or advertising in general? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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* Thomas Bushnell: You are confusing unwelcome with unsolicited. It's not solicited. Few messages which begin new threads on Debian mailing lists are solicited. I don't think Bruce's message qualifies for the $2,000 fee. On the other hand, we shouldn't turn debian-devel into a general party announcement list or job recruitment tool. However, this has little to do with fighting spam. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Florian Weimer [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: * Thomas Bushnell: You are confusing unwelcome with unsolicited. It's not solicited. Few messages which begin new threads on Debian mailing lists are solicited. That's right. Few are commercial either, though Bruce's certainly was that. Thomas -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Andreas Barth [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Which is wholy irrelevant, because Debian's mailing list policy prohibits UBE, not UCE. See: In that case, the description needs to be fixed. Why? Because the intent is obviously to forbid any sort of spam. Spam, as I understand it, generally means UBE. Bruce's message clearly wasn't spam. Non-UBE commercial email doesn't seem to be a problem on this list, so I see no reason fiddling around with rules to artificially classify it as such. If it someday becomes an _actual_ problem, how about dealing with then? -Miles -- Though they may have different meanings, the cries of 'Ye-haw!' and 'Allahu akbar!' are, in spirit, not actually all that different. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Michael writes: Adam, I'm kind of curious what you mean by that I took it for a joke. -- John Hasler -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Bruce Perens hosts party at OSCON Wednesday night
On Tue, 2 Aug 2005, Michael K. Edwards wrote: On 8/2/05, Adam Heath [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Unsolicited Commercial Email. Please pay the standard $2000 fee for advertisments on Debian mailing lists. Adam, I'm kind of curious what you mean by that. What, if any, actual or proposed statutory standard for UCE did you have in mind when you called Bruce's message UCE? What, if anything, are or should be the consequences if he doesn't pay $2000 to whomever you had in mind? How can I tell whether a message I'm thinking of sending will trigger the same penalties? How do people receive notice of this standard? If you consider a message sent by Random Joe User to meet those guidelines. Being a member of the community does not give one the right to ignore the rules. The only thing that made this UCE was that he was asking for people to bring resumes for possible hire. If he had just said that he weas going to be at such and such a place at such and such a time, then I would have ignored it. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Wed, 3 Aug 2005, John Hasler wrote: Michael writes: Adam, I'm kind of curious what you mean by that I took it for a joke. So you take all spam for a joke? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Am 2005-08-03 11:53:33, schrieb Adam Heath: So you take all spam for a joke? YES me too, because I do not know, what I can do with p***s for a longer thing, bought diploms (I have already BAC +12) and I do not need millions of Dollars. Greetings Michelle -- Linux-User #280138 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org/ Michelle Konzack Apt. 917 ICQ #328449886 50, rue de Soultz MSM LinuxMichi 0033/3/8845235667100 Strasbourg/France IRC #Debian (irc.icq.com) signature.pgp Description: Digital signature
Re: Bruce Perens hosts party at OSCON Wednesday night
On Tue, Aug 02, 2005 at 06:32:44PM -0500, Adam Heath wrote: Unsolicited Commercial Email. Please pay the standard $2000 fee for advertisments on Debian mailing lists. It appears as though this fee is no longer policy[1].. Looks like you're going to have to block Bruce from posting and/or report him to the relevant authorities if you want satisfaction. --Adam [1] http://www.debian.org/MailingLists/#ads -- Adam McKenna [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Steve Langasek [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Y'know, it's fine if you think that Bruce's mail was inappropriate for the list, and there's nothing wrong with saying so; but claiming that a message that isn't selling anything is UCE, and attempting to enforce against a member of the community an advertising policy that daily goes unenforced against thousands of more deserving souls, just makes you sound like an asshole and an idiot. Actually, it's commercial to solicit products (or employees) just as much as it is to sell them. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Michael K. Edwards [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On 8/2/05, Adam Heath [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Unsolicited Commercial Email. Please pay the standard $2000 fee for advertisments on Debian mailing lists. Adam, I'm kind of curious what you mean by that. What, if any, actual or proposed statutory standard for UCE did you have in mind when you called Bruce's message UCE? It was an advertisement for a recruiting party. That's commercial by any definition. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Tuesday 02 August 2005 08:16 pm, Steve Langasek wrote: Unsolicited Commercial Email. Please pay the standard $2000 fee for advertisments on Debian mailing lists. Y'know, it's fine if you think that Bruce's mail was inappropriate for the list, and there's nothing wrong with saying so; but claiming that a message that isn't selling anything is UCE, and attempting to enforce against a member of the community an advertising policy that daily goes unenforced against thousands of more deserving souls, just makes you sound like an asshole and an idiot. Well said. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Bruce Perens hosts party at OSCON Wednesday night
For those of you who are at OSCON, Wednesday night I'm hosting a recruiting party for Sourcelabs. If you bring your resume I'll buy you drinks and some food. Date: Wednesday, August 3 Time: 8:30-10:30pm Place: Kells Irish Restaurant Pub, Ulster Room, 2nd Floor 112 SW 2nd Ave., Portland, Oregon 97201 Thanks Bruce Perens -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Tue, 2 Aug 2005, Bruce Perens wrote: For those of you who are at OSCON, Wednesday night I'm hosting a recruiting party for Sourcelabs. If you bring your resume I'll buy you drinks and some food. Date: Wednesday, August 3 Time: 8:30-10:30pm Place: Kells Irish Restaurant Pub, Ulster Room, 2nd Floor 112 SW 2nd Ave., Portland, Oregon 97201 Unsolicited Commercial Email. Please pay the standard $2000 fee for advertisments on Debian mailing lists. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Tue, Aug 02, 2005 at 06:32:44PM -0500, Adam Heath wrote: On Tue, 2 Aug 2005, Bruce Perens wrote: For those of you who are at OSCON, Wednesday night I'm hosting a recruiting party for Sourcelabs. If you bring your resume I'll buy you drinks and some food. Date: Wednesday, August 3 Time: 8:30-10:30pm Place: Kells Irish Restaurant Pub, Ulster Room, 2nd Floor 112 SW 2nd Ave., Portland, Oregon 97201 Unsolicited Commercial Email. Please pay the standard $2000 fee for advertisments on Debian mailing lists. Y'know, it's fine if you think that Bruce's mail was inappropriate for the list, and there's nothing wrong with saying so; but claiming that a message that isn't selling anything is UCE, and attempting to enforce against a member of the community an advertising policy that daily goes unenforced against thousands of more deserving souls, just makes you sound like an asshole and an idiot. -- Steve Langasek postmodern programmer signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Bruce Perens hosts party at OSCON Wednesday night
Oh my goodness, Adam. If I wanted to advertise, I'd ask the DPL for some freebies. I must merit them by now. The fact is, some people there might really want to see me. Some of them are even my friends. And it happens that I have to be at this party for work, and my employer will pay for anyone who brings a resume. Free beer, as they say. But if the consensus of the other folks on debian-devel is that this message did not belong there, I will apologize and withdraw it. Thanks Bruce Adam Heath wrote: On Tue, 2 Aug 2005, Bruce Perens wrote: For those of you who are at OSCON, Wednesday night I'm hosting a recruiting party for Sourcelabs. If you bring your resume I'll buy you drinks and some food. Date: Wednesday, August 3 Time: 8:30-10:30pm Place: Kells Irish Restaurant Pub, Ulster Room, 2nd Floor 112 SW 2nd Ave., Portland, Oregon 97201 Unsolicited Commercial Email. Please pay the standard $2000 fee for advertisments on Debian mailing lists. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Tue, 2 Aug 2005, Bruce Perens wrote: Oh my goodness, Adam. If I wanted to advertise, I'd ask the DPL for some freebies. I must merit them by now. If you had just said that you were hosting a dinner, that'd be one thing. But you solicted resumes. That's what pushed it into UCE land. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Tue, 2 Aug 2005, Steve Langasek wrote: On Tue, Aug 02, 2005 at 06:32:44PM -0500, Adam Heath wrote: On Tue, 2 Aug 2005, Bruce Perens wrote: For those of you who are at OSCON, Wednesday night I'm hosting a recruiting party for Sourcelabs. If you bring your resume I'll buy you drinks and some food. Date: Wednesday, August 3 Time: 8:30-10:30pm Place: Kells Irish Restaurant Pub, Ulster Room, 2nd Floor 112 SW 2nd Ave., Portland, Oregon 97201 Unsolicited Commercial Email. Please pay the standard $2000 fee for advertisments on Debian mailing lists. Y'know, it's fine if you think that Bruce's mail was inappropriate for the list, and there's nothing wrong with saying so; but claiming that a message that isn't selling anything is UCE, and attempting to enforce against a member of the community an advertising policy that daily goes unenforced against thousands of more deserving souls, just makes you sound like an asshole and an idiot. C does not mean sell. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Steve Langasek [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Tue, Aug 02, 2005 at 06:32:44PM -0500, Adam Heath wrote: Unsolicited Commercial Email. Please pay the standard $2000 fee for advertisments on Debian mailing lists. claiming that a message that isn't selling anything is UCE, and attempting to enforce against a member of the community an advertising policy that daily goes unenforced against thousands of more deserving souls, just makes you sound like an asshole and an idiot. I'm not sure what difference it makes though; he was just being obnoxious. Everybody will just ignore Adam, a few who need jobs will see Bruce, and we'll all continue on our merry way. -miles -- P.S. All information contained in the above letter is false, for reasons of military security. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Tuesday 02 August 2005 18:13, Bruce Perens wrote: Oh my goodness, Adam. If I wanted to advertise, I'd ask the DPL for some freebies. I must merit them by now. The fact is, some people there might really want to see me. Some of them are even my friends. And it happens that I have to be at this party for work, and my employer will pay for anyone who brings a resume. Free beer, as they say. But if the consensus of the other folks on debian-devel is that this message did not belong there, I will apologize and withdraw it. FWIW, I didn't think it was out of line. I thought, wow, that'd be cool to go meet Bruce; too bad I'm not in that area. -- Wesley J. Landaker [EMAIL PROTECTED] OpenPGP FP: 4135 2A3B 4726 ACC5 9094 0097 F0A9 8A4C 4CD6 E3D2 pgpXJz7WCqEe4.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Bruce Perens hosts party at OSCON Wednesday night
On 8/2/05, Adam Heath [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Unsolicited Commercial Email. Please pay the standard $2000 fee for advertisments on Debian mailing lists. Adam, I'm kind of curious what you mean by that. What, if any, actual or proposed statutory standard for UCE did you have in mind when you called Bruce's message UCE? What, if anything, are or should be the consequences if he doesn't pay $2000 to whomever you had in mind? How can I tell whether a message I'm thinking of sending will trigger the same penalties? How do people receive notice of this standard? Cheers, - Michael
