Re: Bug#464169: ITP: vagalume -- A GTK+-based Last.fm client
Quoting Alberto Garcia ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): > So we have: > > "A small GTK+-based client for the Last.fm online radio" > "A GTK+-based client for the Last.fm online radio" > "A small client for the Last.fm online radio" I'd go for the second choice (you half-convinced me, guys)without the leading article of course: GTK+-based client for the Last.fm online radio service (adding "service" is a last minute idea by /me: optional) I think that "-based" makes the difference: geeks will understand and bubull^W clueless users will understand this is technical stuff they don't understand but will when they're grown up enough signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Bug#464169: ITP: vagalume -- A GTK+-based Last.fm client
On Thu, Feb 07, 2008 at 05:45:42AM +0100, Christian Perrier wrote: > Saying that something is GTK-based is probably meaningful for the > average geek. It means nothing for the average user. This is what I > call jargon. > > Our package descriptions should help all users to answer the simple > questions "what is this package good for?" and "Do I need this > package?" I understand your point, but: * The average user probably won't expect a Last.fm client being non-graphical (not even a geek would expect that unless stated otherwise). * Other graphical last.fm clients in Debian (last-exit, lastfm -this is the official one-) don't say that they're graphical in their descriptions. And well, I'd bet that it applies to basically almost every graphical program in Debian. * We can say that in the full description. Don't get me wrong, I have nothing against saying that Vagalume is a graphical Last.fm client, it's just that I don't think it's that remarkable in this case. IMHO the short description should just tell the users what a package is for and why they should choose it instead of another one. And if I had to select the most relevant things about Vagalume I'd say (in no particular order): a) It's a Last.fm client b) It's based on GTK+ c) It's small and lightweight d) It's designed to work in the Maemo platform e) It's free software d) and e) are probably not significant in this case. So we have: "A small GTK+-based client for the Last.fm online radio" "A GTK+-based client for the Last.fm online radio" "A small client for the Last.fm online radio" -- Alberto García González http://people.igalia.com/berto/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Bug#464169: ITP: vagalume -- A GTK+-based Last.fm client
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 02/06/08 22:45, Christian Perrier wrote: > Quoting Alberto Garcia ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): [snip] >> >> Also, if a user doesn't know what GTK+ is, he/she probably won't >> expect a radio player being non-graphical ... >> >> There are very few non-graphical Last.fm clients around, Vagalume is >> not special for that :) > > > Let me clarify. > > Saying that something is GTK-based is probably meaningful for the > average geek. It means nothing for the average user. This is what I > call jargon. I've *got* to disagree here. If you're taking the responsibility to search for and install apps, it is incumbent upon you to have *some* basic knowledge of your system. Among the most important is whether you have a GNOME/GTK or KDE/Qt system, and whether you run Stable, Testing or Sid. - -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA PETA - People Eating Tasty Animals -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFHqvh0S9HxQb37XmcRArRSAJ4/I/VBkd9ERYyii7RsP6fvVJzkkACg5cq6 ey3t7sm4aGDEQcryDzAspSY= =GrTR -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Bug#464169: ITP: vagalume -- A GTK+-based Last.fm client
Quoting Alberto Garcia ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): > On Wed, Feb 06, 2008 at 05:57:21PM +0100, Christian Perrier wrote: > > > > > "graphical GTK+-based client for Last.fm media service" > > > Is it necessary to say it's graphical provided that it's based on > > > GTK+? > > "GTK+" is jargon..:-) > > Then we'd need to change quite a few package descriptions :-) Yes. Most package description aren't really great and forget that they should be targeted for end users. The Developers Reference gives numerous hints about the Right Way to write package descriptions (and not only when it makes recommendations about syntax) > > $ dpkg -l | grep -i gtk > > Not to mention all other packages with similar technical words in > their descriptions: ncurses, Qt, PHP, etc. > > Also, if a user doesn't know what GTK+ is, he/she probably won't > expect a radio player being non-graphical ... > > There are very few non-graphical Last.fm clients around, Vagalume is > not special for that :) Let me clarify. Saying that something is GTK-based is probably meaningful for the average geek. It means nothing for the average user. This is what I call jargon. Our package descriptions should help all users to answer the simple questions "what is this package good for?" and "Do I need this package?" Being GTK-based is not the most important mention for this ad we shouldn't assume that everybody knows that it means "graphical" or "GUI". That doesn't necessarily mean to *remove* GTK (it has some meaning for some of our usersand some even decide whether a package is good for them, based on this)...but we shouldn't assume this is *enough*. (not to mention debtags, by the way) signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Bug#464169: ITP: vagalume -- A GTK+-based Last.fm client
On Wed, Feb 06, 2008 at 05:57:21PM +0100, Christian Perrier wrote: > > > "graphical GTK+-based client for Last.fm media service" > > Is it necessary to say it's graphical provided that it's based on > > GTK+? > "GTK+" is jargon..:-) Then we'd need to change quite a few package descriptions :-) $ dpkg -l | grep -i gtk Not to mention all other packages with similar technical words in their descriptions: ncurses, Qt, PHP, etc. Also, if a user doesn't know what GTK+ is, he/she probably won't expect a radio player being non-graphical ... There are very few non-graphical Last.fm clients around, Vagalume is not special for that :) -- Alberto García González http://people.igalia.com/berto/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Bug#464169: ITP: vagalume -- A GTK+-based Last.fm client
Quoting Alberto Garcia ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): > On Wed, Feb 06, 2008 at 06:56:05AM +0100, Christian Perrier wrote: > > > > Description : A GTK+-based Last.fm client > > > > "Last.fm" isn't really clear for anybody. I suggest using a more > > generic description and somehow say this is related to audio/media > > playing. > > Well, you're right, I should update the full description too. > > > Also drop the leading article, of course > > > > "graphical GTK+-based client for Last.fm media service" > > Is it necessary to say it's graphical provided that it's based on > GTK+? "GTK+" is jargon..:-) signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Bug#464169: ITP: vagalume -- A GTK+-based Last.fm client
On Wed, Feb 06, 2008 at 09:59:30AM +0100, Alberto Garcia wrote: > > Also drop the leading article, of course > > "graphical GTK+-based client for Last.fm media service" > > Is it necessary to say it's graphical provided that it's based on > GTK+? > > How about ... > > "Graphical GTK+-based client for the Last.fm online radio" Sorry, I forgot to remove the redundant 'Graphical': "GTK+-based client for the Last.fm online radio" or "GTK+-based client for the Last.fm online radio and social network" -- Alberto García González http://people.igalia.com/berto/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Bug#464169: ITP: vagalume -- A GTK+-based Last.fm client
On Wed, Feb 06, 2008 at 06:56:05AM +0100, Christian Perrier wrote: > > Description : A GTK+-based Last.fm client > > "Last.fm" isn't really clear for anybody. I suggest using a more > generic description and somehow say this is related to audio/media > playing. Well, you're right, I should update the full description too. > Also drop the leading article, of course > > "graphical GTK+-based client for Last.fm media service" Is it necessary to say it's graphical provided that it's based on GTK+? How about ... "Graphical GTK+-based client for the Last.fm online radio" Thanks for your suggestions -- Alberto García González http://people.igalia.com/berto/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Bug#464169: ITP: vagalume -- A GTK+-based Last.fm client
Quoting Alberto Garcia ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): > Package: wnpp > Severity: wishlist > Owner: Alberto Garcia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > * Package name: vagalume > Version : 0.5 > Upstream Author : Alberto Garcia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > * URL : http://people.igalia.com/berto/ > * License : GPL 3 > Programming Lang: C > Description : A GTK+-based Last.fm client "Last.fm" isn't really clear for anybody. I suggest using a more generic description and somehow say this is related to audio/media playing. Also drop the leading article, of course "graphical GTK+-based client for Last.fm media service" ...or something similar, maybe. I'm not entirely sure of the most appropiate description of Last.fm, not being a very active user there, indeed. signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Bug#464169: ITP: vagalume -- A GTK+-based Last.fm client
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Alberto Garcia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * Package name: vagalume Version : 0.5 Upstream Author : Alberto Garcia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * URL : http://people.igalia.com/berto/ * License : GPL 3 Programming Lang: C Description : A GTK+-based Last.fm client Vagalume is a Last.fm client designed for the Gnome desktop environment. It's small and provides the basic Last.fm features, such as scrobbling, tags, recommendations, etc. Vagalume is also designed to work in the Maemo platform, used by some Nokia devices such as the Nokia 770, N800 and N810 -- System Information: Debian Release: 4.0 APT prefers stable APT policy: (500, 'stable') Architecture: i386 (i686) Shell: /bin/sh linked to /bin/dash Kernel: Linux 2.6.23.14 Locale: LANG=pt_PT, LC_CTYPE=pt_PT (charmap=ISO-8859-15) (ignored: LC_ALL set to [EMAIL PROTECTED]) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]