Re: Conference! - around the world with Debian
On Sun, Sep 26, 1999 at 05:05:04PM -0700, Joseph Carter wrote: > On Sun, Sep 26, 1999 at 07:16:08PM -0400, Branden Robinson wrote: > > > Really? I don't consider the 1.5kW limit for US amateurs > > > excessively limiting :-) Down here in Australia we are only allowed 400W. > > > > I said private, not licensed or otherwise fooled with. The limit for > > completely laissez faire use appears to be about 10mW. That is six orders > > of > > magnitude less than the figure you quote. > > Supposedly they give you 100mW unless something has changed recently. > Still that would get you at most a city block---and not in any city I've > ever been in. 100mW can do quite a lot. I think 100mW is quite a reasonable limit for unlicensed operation. In Australia we have a particular band of frequencies reserved for unlicensed operation (*) up to 300mW. (*) Actually it's not unlicensed, but operates under a class license like CB, ie the entire class of devices is automatically licensed. Hamish -- Hamish Moffatt VK3SB (ex-VK3TYD). CCs of replies from mailing lists are welcome. pgpbHOSZf4BUw.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Conference! - around the world with Debian
On Sun, Sep 26, 1999 at 07:16:08PM -0400, Branden Robinson wrote: > > Really? I don't consider the 1.5kW limit for US amateurs > > excessively limiting :-) Down here in Australia we are only allowed 400W. > > I said private, not licensed or otherwise fooled with. The limit for > completely laissez faire use appears to be about 10mW. That is six orders of > magnitude less than the figure you quote. Supposedly they give you 100mW unless something has changed recently. Still that would get you at most a city block---and not in any city I've ever been in. -- Joseph Carter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Debian GNU/Linux developer GnuPG: 2048g/3F9C2A43 - 20F6 2261 F185 7A3E 79FC 44F9 8FF7 D7A3 DCF9 DAB3 PGP 2.6: 2048R/50BDA0ED - E8 D6 84 81 E3 A8 BB 77 8E E2 29 96 C9 44 5F BE -- lilo: well then, you are probably a responsible thinker. Welcome to a very small club. Overfiend: welcome me when you join :) pgpLPbcMzGgsp.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Conference! - around the world with Debian
On Sun, Sep 26, 1999 at 09:04:46PM +1000, Hamish Moffatt wrote: > On Sat, Sep 25, 1999 at 10:57:31PM -0400, Branden Robinson wrote: > > Mind you, I'm not cheering for the FCC here -- in fact that I think their > > restrictions on output power for private radio transmitters are hideously > > excessive -- [snip] > > Really? I don't consider the 1.5kW limit for US amateurs > excessively limiting :-) Down here in Australia we are only allowed 400W. I said private, not licensed or otherwise fooled with. The limit for completely laissez faire use appears to be about 10mW. That is six orders of magnitude less than the figure you quote. -- G. Branden Robinson | Debian GNU/Linux | Mob rule isn't any prettier just because [EMAIL PROTECTED] | you call your mob a government. cartoon.ecn.purdue.edu/~branden/ | pgp1CzVfzj8ah.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Conference! - around the world with Debian
On Sat, Sep 25, 1999 at 10:57:31PM -0400, Branden Robinson wrote: > Mind you, I'm not cheering for the FCC here -- in fact that I think their > restrictions on output power for private radio transmitters are hideously > excessive -- [snip] Really? I don't consider the 1.5kW limit for US amateurs excessively limiting :-) Down here in Australia we are only allowed 400W. Hamish -- Hamish Moffatt VK3SB (ex-VK3TYD). CCs of replies from mailing lists are welcome. pgph8PEqHagDo.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Conference! - around the world with Debian
On Sat, Sep 25, 1999 at 11:08:37AM -0400, James A. Treacy wrote: > > Well, this is completely off-topic, but I wouldn't be so sure. > > I have plenty of electronic equipment here which generates an awful > > lot of interference to my sensitive radio receivers. Switch-mode > > power supplies in particular (although passengers won't be using > > those on the plane). > > > This is common. The problem is that while FCC requirements are quite > high, manufacturing standards are not, causing an awful lot of > equipment out there to create interference. But the FCC are particularly crazy paranoid about interference in the radio band. Mind you, I'm not cheering for the FCC here -- in fact that I think their restrictions on output power for private radio transmitters are hideously excessive -- but they do seem to keep a pretty tight lid on RFI generated by portable devices. Household appliances, on the other hand... -- G. Branden Robinson | Debian GNU/Linux |Please do not look directly into laser [EMAIL PROTECTED] |with remaining eye. cartoon.ecn.purdue.edu/~branden/ | pgpiv2fqJar7l.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Conference! - around the world with Debian
On Sat, Sep 25, 1999 at 09:29:35PM +1000, Hamish Moffatt wrote: > On Sat, Sep 25, 1999 at 01:39:41AM -0400, Branden Robinson wrote: > > On Fri, Sep 24, 1999 at 04:26:27PM +0200, Sven LUTHER wrote: > > > Also use of computer in planes is discouraged and prohibited during > > > landfall > > > and takeoff, as it interfer with the onboard radio equipement ... > > > > This is a fiction perpetrated by flight attendants because many of them are > > too dumb to tell the difference between electronic devices that may > > generate significant EMF at 108MHz or a little above and ones that don't. > > > > Hint: if it's got an FCC sticker on it, it's okay. The FCC is so > > Well, this is completely off-topic, but I wouldn't be so sure. > I have plenty of electronic equipment here which generates an awful > lot of interference to my sensitive radio receivers. Switch-mode > power supplies in particular (although passengers won't be using > those on the plane). > This is common. The problem is that while FCC requirements are quite high, manufacturing standards are not, causing an awful lot of equipment out there to create interference. Jay Treacy
Re: Conference! - around the world with Debian
On Sat, Sep 25, 1999 at 01:39:41AM -0400, Branden Robinson wrote: > On Fri, Sep 24, 1999 at 04:26:27PM +0200, Sven LUTHER wrote: > > Also use of computer in planes is discouraged and prohibited during landfall > > and takeoff, as it interfer with the onboard radio equipement ... > > This is a fiction perpetrated by flight attendants because many of them are > too dumb to tell the difference between electronic devices that may > generate significant EMF at 108MHz or a little above and ones that don't. > > Hint: if it's got an FCC sticker on it, it's okay. The FCC is so Well, this is completely off-topic, but I wouldn't be so sure. I have plenty of electronic equipment here which generates an awful lot of interference to my sensitive radio receivers. Switch-mode power supplies in particular (although passengers won't be using those on the plane). Hamish -- Hamish Moffatt VK3SB (ex-VK3TYD). CCs of replies from mailing lists are welcome. pgpjNLpjI9kne.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Conference! - around the world with Debian
On Fri, Sep 24, 1999 at 04:26:27PM +0200, Sven LUTHER wrote: > Also use of computer in planes is discouraged and prohibited during landfall > and takeoff, as it interfer with the onboard radio equipement ... This is a fiction perpetrated by flight attendants because many of them are too dumb to tell the difference between electronic devices that may generate significant EMF at 108MHz or a little above and ones that don't. Hint: if it's got an FCC sticker on it, it's okay. The FCC is so ubelievably anal about radio transmissions, nothing they license could come close to interfering with a receiver even 10 feet away. But the airlines don't expect flight attendants to comprehend such things and don't have to, since their passengers don't raise enough fuss to get the policy changed. As portable computing devices become ever more ubiquitous, this may change. -- G. Branden Robinson | The only way to get rid of a temptation Debian GNU/Linux | is to yield to it. [EMAIL PROTECTED] | -- Oscar Wilde cartoon.ecn.purdue.edu/~branden/ | pgpAybQyVRk3J.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Conference! - around the world with Debian
Or crossover cable. Dave Bristel On 24 Sep 1999, Ruud de Rooij wrote: > Date: 24 Sep 1999 17:16:06 +0200 > From: Ruud de Rooij <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Cc: debian-devel@lists.debian.org > Subject: Re: Conference! - around the world with Debian > Resent-Date: 24 Sep 1999 15:16:16 - > Resent-From: debian-devel@lists.debian.org > Resent-cc: recipient list not shown: ; > > Ben Pfaff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > Peter Makholm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > >Russell Coker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > >> For those of us who attend in multiple countries we could book plane > > flights > >> together (hopefully get a good deal), play network Quake in the plane, > > etc. > > > >Then we need a sponsor with a big wallet. > > > > ...or a battery-powered hub :-) > > Have people forgotten about coax? :-) > > - Ruud de Rooij. > -- > ruud de rooij | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://ruud.org > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] >
Re: Conference! - around the world with Debian
>> > For those of us who attend in multiple countries we could book plane >> > flights >> > together (hopefully get a good deal), play network Quake in the plane, etc. >> >> Then we need a sponsor with a big wallet. No. Just some debian developers who can get their own sponsorship to visit a few countries. >> Arcording to userfriendly airphones cost 200$ a minute and I can't >> afford that. No. If we have a number of people in the same section of the plane and use 10base2. Of course most of us have PCMCIA ethernet cards that only do twisted pair so a battery powered hub might be best. The 8 port hub on my desk is small enough to easily carry. It takes 800ma at 12V (two 6V torch batteries in series can do that). >Also use of computer in planes is discouraged and prohibited during landfall >and takeoff, as it interfer with the onboard radio equipement ... It's not discouraged during flight except when there is turbulance. When there is turbulance you don't want your precious computer out where some git can spill a drink on it. The only problem is takeoff and landing. For the first and last 25 minutes of a flight they want your computers turned off. This is a big problem for short flights! -- I'm in Utrecht. I'd like to meet any Linux users in the area, or any other part of the Netherlands.
Re: Conference! - around the world with Debian
Sven LUTHER wrote: > Also use of computer in planes is discouraged and prohibited during landfall > and takeoff, as it interfer with the onboard radio equipement ... I wondered about that when a helicopter pilot expressly asked if if my cell phone worked in the helicopter, so I could call ahead for fuel before landing at an airport. The phone worked, but I couldn't hear much! The pilot didn't seemed to care about interference with his radio equipment anyway. Peter
Re: Conference! - around the world with Debian
Ben Pfaff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Peter Makholm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > >Russell Coker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > >> For those of us who attend in multiple countries we could book plane > flights >> together (hopefully get a good deal), play network Quake in the plane, > etc. > >Then we need a sponsor with a big wallet. > > ...or a battery-powered hub :-) Have people forgotten about coax? :-) - Ruud de Rooij. -- ruud de rooij | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://ruud.org
Re: Conference! - around the world with Debian
Peter Makholm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Russell Coker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > For those of us who attend in multiple countries we could book plane flights > together (hopefully get a good deal), play network Quake in the plane, etc. Then we need a sponsor with a big wallet. ...or a battery-powered hub :-) -- "doe not call up Any that you can not put downe." --H. P. Lovecraft
Re: Conference! - around the world with Debian
On Fri, Sep 24, 1999 at 04:20:57PM +0200, Peter Makholm wrote: > Russell Coker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > For those of us who attend in multiple countries we could book plane flights > > together (hopefully get a good deal), play network Quake in the plane, etc. > > Then we need a sponsor with a big wallet. > > Arcording to userfriendly airphones cost 200$ a minute and I can't > afford that. Also use of computer in planes is discouraged and prohibited during landfall and takeoff, as it interfer with the onboard radio equipement ... Friendly, Sven LUTHER
Re: Conference! - around the world with Debian
Russell Coker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > For those of us who attend in multiple countries we could book plane flights > together (hopefully get a good deal), play network Quake in the plane, etc. Then we need a sponsor with a big wallet. Arcording to userfriendly airphones cost 200$ a minute and I can't afford that. -- I congratulate you. Happy goldfish bowl to you, to me, to everyone, and may each of you fry in hell forever. -- Isaac Asimov, "The Dead Past"
Re: Conference! - around the world with Debian
> > >I'd love to go to the conference. Let's go to Redmond and infiltrate > > > Microsoft, or to the Portland area and infiltrate Intel. > > > > > > I'll hike there if I have to. I don't mind sleeping bag > > > accomodations; I'm in Portland, OR, USA. > > > > Why not have a travelling conference? We could arrange a series of > > conferencelets in different cities. People who are really keen could travel > > around the world to all of them. Others could just attend when it comes to > > their city. > > For those of us who attend in multiple countries we could book plane flights > > together (hopefully get a good deal), play network Quake in the plane, etc. > >A laptop that'll do q3? m :) Well that might be asking a bit much. But seriously I think that there are some opportunities for getting some serious debugging done on a plane. When you're surrounded by good programmers, have an endless supply of Coke and snack food, aren't supplied with enough alcohol to get drunk (not in economy class) coding is what you will do. -- I'm in Utrecht. I'd like to meet any Linux users in the area, or any other part of the Netherlands.
Re: Conference! - around the world with Debian
Russell Coker writes: > On Fri, 24 Sep 1999, Karl M. Hegbloom wrote: > >I'd love to go to the conference. Let's go to Redmond and infiltrate > > Microsoft, or to the Portland area and infiltrate Intel. > > > > I'll hike there if I have to. I don't mind sleeping bag > > accomodations; I'm in Portland, OR, USA. > > Why not have a travelling conference? We could arrange a series of > conferencelets in different cities. People who are really keen could travel > around the world to all of them. Others could just attend when it comes to > their city. > For those of us who attend in multiple countries we could book plane flights > together (hopefully get a good deal), play network Quake in the plane, etc. A laptop that'll do q3? m :) Matthew -- "At least you know where you are with Microsoft." "True. I just wish I'd brought a paddle." http://www.debian.org/
Re: Conference! - around the world with Debian
On Fri, 24 Sep 1999, Karl M. Hegbloom wrote: >I'd love to go to the conference. Let's go to Redmond and infiltrate > Microsoft, or to the Portland area and infiltrate Intel. > > I'll hike there if I have to. I don't mind sleeping bag > accomodations; I'm in Portland, OR, USA. Why not have a travelling conference? We could arrange a series of conferencelets in different cities. People who are really keen could travel around the world to all of them. Others could just attend when it comes to their city. For those of us who attend in multiple countries we could book plane flights together (hopefully get a good deal), play network Quake in the plane, etc. -- I'm in Utrecht. I'd like to meet any Linux users in the area, or any other part of the Netherlands.
