Re: Copyright infringement on www.rossbeazley.co.uk — Overreacting?

[Russ Allbery]

Obey Arthur Liu  writes:

> And how is planet debian licensed anyway ? There is an implicit
> licensing of the blog authors to the planet since aggregation is
> voluntary but what about redistribution ? :D

Personally, my journal posts are intentionally not released under any
license whatsoever.  That means, as far as I'm concerned, that people need
to follow usual and customary implicit licensing rules and fair use rules
which, given that I provide an RSS feed, would allow aggregation.
(Similar to how posting something to Usenet grants an implicit license to
distribute the post throughout Usenet given that it's how the medium
works.)

If they do something unusual with my blog entries, such as create
derivative works, modify the entries, or obscure the authorship, without
obtaining an implicit license and outside the realms of fair use, I
reserve the right to sue them, and there are no statements anywhere in my
blog that waive any of those rights.

This is intentional on my part.  Those things on my web site that are
intended to be released under a free license are explicitly marked as
such, but my personal blog is not something I feel comfortable doing that
with in general.

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Re: Copyright infringement on www.rossbeazley.co.uk — Overreacting?

[Tollef Fog Heen]

]] Obey Arthur Liu 

| And how is planet debian licensed anyway ?

How is that relevant?  Assuming you did put your own blog there (or
asked it to be put there), you're ok with Planet Debian redistributing
your content.

| There is an implicit licensing of the blog authors to the planet since
| aggregation is voluntary but what about redistribution ? :D

Given there's no licence, that's a fairly clear breach of most copyright
laws I know of, at least.

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Re: Copyright infringement on www.rossbeazley.co.uk — Overreacting?

[Ben Hutchings]

On Mon, 2009-09-28 at 07:34 -0500, Gunnar Wolf wrote:
> Ben Hutchings dijo [Mon, Sep 28, 2009 at 04:14:45AM -0700]:
> > The "blog" at , which is hosted in your IP
> > space, is a copy of Planet Debian , apparently
> > intended to gain keyword advertising revenue.
> > (…)
> > Since there are no contact details for the site, I have no way of
> > directly demanding the site owner to cease this copyright infringement.
> > Therefore, please either pass on this demand or suspend hosting of
> > www.rossbeazley.co.uk until it is no longer infringing.
> 
> [ Ross Beazley's Cc: dropped ]
>
> I won't contact him. In my case, although all of the content I blog is
> redisitrbutable/reusable; my website says:
> 
> All the material found at this site is freely available, and you
> can use it as you wish, except when the document mentions
> explicitly different conditions. 
> 
> Now... I am surprised this is seen so harshly. This is not the first
> site I see that syndicates Planet Debian. What I can understand is
> that Beazley originally provided his own content (August and earlier
> posts);

The earliest entries (January 2008) are copied from
.  Later ones look like real entries
but most of them have little information other than a few keywords to
prime the ad selection.

> he has no ads running on his site I could see (they might be
> blocked on my browser FWIW)

It's using Google AdSense; you must have blocked that.

> and does not seem to be claiming
> authorship for any of our posts. Yes, he does commit the sin of not
> directing to the original entries for comments, but to me it looks
> more as a guy playing with his WordPress-based aggregator than anybody
> with ill intent.

No, it's someone trying to get keyword advertising revenue.

> So, even though the complains _are_ formally right, I would rather not
> come down with a harsh message at someone who is not really hurting
> any of us except for failing to provide a link back. Even the place's
> name is clearly personal!

It's strange that there's no information about the "author" on a
"personal" site.

Ben.

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Re: Copyright infringement on www.rossbeazley.co.uk — Overreacting?

[Obey Arthur Liu]

On Mon, Sep 28, 2009 at 4:43 PM, Jonathan Yu  wrote:
>
> On Mon, Sep 28, 2009 at 8:53 AM, Jonathan Carter (highvoltage)
>  wrote:
> > Gunnar Wolf wrote:
> >> Now... I am surprised this is seen so harshly. This is not the first
> >> site I see that syndicates Planet Debian. What I can understand is
> >
> > There's a big difference between aggregating posts and claiming that
> > their yours. The heading of the site says that the site is the blog, and
> > the posts link back to entries on the site (not the original author
> > sites). It gives the (wrong) impression that the entries were
> > specifically written for the site. If you scroll down all the way there
> > are Google ads at the bottom. He's clearly abusing the planet's content
> > for his own gain.
> Perhaps we can solve this from the Planet Debian side by adding a link
> to the original article in the bottom of either the posts or the RSS
> feeds (wherever that web site is pulling the articles from). We could
> also consider determining and blocking the IPs the person is pulling
> from, though that will generally just lead to a cat-and-mouse type
> situation
> >
> > -Jonathan

And how is planet debian licensed anyway ? There is an implicit
licensing of the blog authors to the planet since aggregation is
voluntary but what about redistribution ? :D

Arthur


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Re: Copyright infringement on www.rossbeazley.co.uk — Overreacting?

[Jonathan Yu]

On Mon, Sep 28, 2009 at 8:53 AM, Jonathan Carter (highvoltage)
 wrote:
> Gunnar Wolf wrote:
>> Now... I am surprised this is seen so harshly. This is not the first
>> site I see that syndicates Planet Debian. What I can understand is
>
> There's a big difference between aggregating posts and claiming that
> their yours. The heading of the site says that the site is the blog, and
> the posts link back to entries on the site (not the original author
> sites). It gives the (wrong) impression that the entries were
> specifically written for the site. If you scroll down all the way there
> are Google ads at the bottom. He's clearly abusing the planet's content
> for his own gain.
Perhaps we can solve this from the Planet Debian side by adding a link
to the original article in the bottom of either the posts or the RSS
feeds (wherever that web site is pulling the articles from). We could
also consider determining and blocking the IPs the person is pulling
from, though that will generally just lead to a cat-and-mouse type
situation
>
> -Jonathan
>
>
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