Re: Date format (was: How many people need locales?)
On Wed, Sep 05, 2001 at 12:23:34PM +0100, Nick Phillips wrote: > On Wed, Sep 05, 2001 at 12:53:37PM +0200, Petr Cech wrote: > > On Tue, Sep 04, 2001 at 09:17:12PM +1000 , Martijn van Oosterhout wrote: > > > Does that mean it should always take a certain format irrespective of the > > > locale? If so, which format? > > > > or number format. ie. in Czech decimal separator is `,' comma and in C it's > > `.' dot. OK, now restart gnumeric in other locale and you cannot load the > > file :(( > > Which implies that it needs to know the locale used by the file. This > means that you either need to: > > 1) always use the same locale, or > 2) tell it which local is used by the file at load time, either manually or >by the use of metadata in/around the file. This could be tricky if the decimal point is the same as the seperator? 3,4,5,6 <- How many fields/numbers in that line? That's why I prefer tab separated files... -- Martijn van Oosterhout http://svana.org/kleptog/ > Magnetism, electricity and motion are like a three-for-two special offer: > if you have two of them, the third one comes free.
Re: Date format (was: How many people need locales?)
On Wed, 5 Sep 2001, Petr Cech wrote: > On Tue, Sep 04, 2001 at 09:17:12PM +1000 , Martijn van Oosterhout wrote: > > Does that mean it should always take a certain format irrespective of the > > locale? If so, which format? > > or number format. ie. in Czech decimal separator is `,' comma and in C it's > `.' dot. OK, now restart gnumeric in other locale and you cannot load the > file :(( In the save file, the locale should obviously be C. However, the display and input of data should be according to the current locale. -- Jean-Christophe Dubacq -- ATER en informatique à la faculté d'Orsay. Tel: 01 69 15 76 43 / 06 64 86 10 56 --- Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Date format (was: How many people need locales?)
On Wed, Sep 05, 2001 at 12:53:37PM +0200, Petr Cech wrote: > On Tue, Sep 04, 2001 at 09:17:12PM +1000 , Martijn van Oosterhout wrote: > > Does that mean it should always take a certain format irrespective of the > > locale? If so, which format? > > or number format. ie. in Czech decimal separator is `,' comma and in C it's > `.' dot. OK, now restart gnumeric in other locale and you cannot load the > file :(( Which implies that it needs to know the locale used by the file. This means that you either need to: 1) always use the same locale, or 2) tell it which local is used by the file at load time, either manually or by the use of metadata in/around the file. -- Nick Phillips -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Think twice before speaking, but don't say "think think click click".
Re: Date format (was: How many people need locales?)
On Tue, Sep 04, 2001 at 09:17:12PM +1000 , Martijn van Oosterhout wrote:
> Does that mean it should always take a certain format irrespective of the
> locale? If so, which format?
or number format. ie. in Czech decimal separator is `,' comma and in C it's
`.' dot. OK, now restart gnumeric in other locale and you cannot load the
file :((
Petr Cech
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Re: Date format (was: How many people need locales?)
> "Radovan" == Radovan Garabik <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Radovan> On Tue, Sep 04, 2001 at 09:17:12PM +1000, Martijn van Radovan> Oosterhout wrote: >> On Tue, Sep 04, 2001 at 08:56:54AM +0200, Radovan Garabik >> wrote: >> > > > > GNUmeric doesn't display the date in this format (it is >> up to the user > > to pick what format is used), BUT it does >> require entering dates in > > MM/DD/ format. >> > > >> > > - unless of course you have changed the locale... >> > >> > I would file a bug against gnumeric in this case. > This is >> broken behaviour. Does in behave the same > when you import >> data from text file? Then it > is even more broken. Yes, it does. This was what started this investigation in the first place: why doesn't gnumeric import dates as dates, not as strings. Eventually we found this was the problem. Radovan> It should reject commonly used ambiguous formats (such as Radovan> NN/NN/NN, NN/NN/), or at least warn if something like Radovan> this is entered. This should ideally be configurable, Radovan> but rejecting should be the default (and independent on Radovan> locale). I agree with you here. Something in the form of NN/NN/ that cannot be parsed as a date should not get interpreted as a string. If the user really does want a string (seems unlikely), he/she can quote the value. The error/warning message should indicate that the user can change the format by changing the locale. -- Brian May <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Re: Date format (was: How many people need locales?)
On Tue, Sep 04, 2001 at 09:17:12PM +1000, Martijn van Oosterhout wrote: > On Tue, Sep 04, 2001 at 08:56:54AM +0200, Radovan Garabik wrote: > > > > > > GNUmeric doesn't display the date in this format (it is up to the user > > > to pick what format is used), BUT it does require entering dates in > > > MM/DD/ format. > > > > > > - unless of course you have changed the locale... > > > > I would file a bug against gnumeric in this case. > > This is broken behaviour. Does in behave the same > > when you import data from text file? Then it > > is even more broken. > > Does that mean it should always take a certain format irrespective of the > locale? If so, which format? > It should reject commonly used ambiguous formats (such as NN/NN/NN, NN/NN/), or at least warn if something like this is entered. This should ideally be configurable, but rejecting should be the default (and independent on locale). -- --- | Radovan Garabik http://melkor.dnp.fmph.uniba.sk/~garabik/ | | __..--^^^--..__garabik @ melkor.dnp.fmph.uniba.sk | --- Antivirus alert: file .signature infected by signature virus. Hi! I'm a signature virus! Copy me into your signature file to help me spread!
Re: Date format (was: How many people need locales?)
On Tue, Sep 04, 2001 at 08:56:54AM +0200, Radovan Garabik wrote: > On Tue, Sep 04, 2001 at 11:20:33AM +1000, Brian May wrote: > > > "Radovan" == Radovan Garabik <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > Radovan> format is important but whoever designes his software to > > Radovan> display 8/1/63 should be shot, locale or no locale. > > > > GNUmeric doesn't display the date in this format (it is up to the user > > to pick what format is used), BUT it does require entering dates in > > MM/DD/ format. > > > > - unless of course you have changed the locale... > > I would file a bug against gnumeric in this case. > This is broken behaviour. Does in behave the same > when you import data from text file? Then it > is even more broken. Does that mean it should always take a certain format irrespective of the locale? If so, which format? As far as I'm concerned, as long as it accepts -mm-dd I'm happy. -- Martijn van Oosterhout http://svana.org/kleptog/ > Magnetism, electricity and motion are like a three-for-two special offer: > if you have two of them, the third one comes free.
Date format (was: How many people need locales?)
On Tue, Sep 04, 2001 at 11:20:33AM +1000, Brian May wrote: > > "Radovan" == Radovan Garabik <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Radovan> format is important but whoever designes his software to > Radovan> display 8/1/63 should be shot, locale or no locale. > > GNUmeric doesn't display the date in this format (it is up to the user > to pick what format is used), BUT it does require entering dates in > MM/DD/ format. > > - unless of course you have changed the locale... I would file a bug against gnumeric in this case. This is broken behaviour. Does in behave the same when you import data from text file? Then it is even more broken. -- --- | Radovan Garabik http://melkor.dnp.fmph.uniba.sk/~garabik/ | | __..--^^^--..__garabik @ melkor.dnp.fmph.uniba.sk | --- Antivirus alert: file .signature infected by signature virus. Hi! I'm a signature virus! Copy me into your signature file to help me spread!
