Re: Debian based GNU/Solaris: pilot program
On Tue, Nov 01, 2005 at 11:59:22PM -0800, Erast Benson wrote: > Another obvious benefit is that OpenSolaris licensed under open sourced > license which allowes to HW vendors to write their own drivers for all > that variety of existing specific hardware and yet not to open their IP. Why would this be of interest to Debian developers? > >From user perspective, OpenSolaris core is well documented and > supported. > > All that means: the end user of the system will not be forced to > re-compile drivers during installations, will not suffer from > half-implemented features, will not be forced to deal with source > packages and will benefit from both world - proprietery and open source. I read all of your points as criticisms of Linux. That is disappointing. Hamish -- Hamish Moffatt VK3SB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian based GNU/Solaris: pilot program
* Alex Ross: > 2) 2,300 Debian packages available for immediate usage. How do you solve the problem that you cannot legally distribute software which is licensed under the GNU General Public License and is linked against a libc which is covered by the CDDL? Have you ported GNU libc? > 3) Developer's portal at http://www.gnusolaris.org - fully functional, with > downloads, APT repository, discussion forums, developer's "hack zone", bug > database, blogs, and numerous Solaris and free software related resources. This web site requires authentication. > This will be 100% open and free-of-any-charge easy-to-install easy-to-use > distribution. Coming out soon! You should drop all references to the "Solaris" trademark because Sun's terms of use are anything but open (worse than Debian's). And of course, compliance with the GPL in all aspects is very desirable, too. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian based GNU/Solaris: pilot program
Matthew Palmer wrote: I'm not discounting that it's new and exciting (I wouldn't say "totally", but that's a matter of opinion), and I'm in fact quite interested in what the technical benefits of running Debian on a Solaris kernel might be for my needs. However, Alex did specifically claim that Nexenta was of unmatched size, and I was refuting that particular claim. Hmm, did really I say unmatched?.. It's the size, *and* the early stage, *and* the fact that it runs all our stuffs, *and* the kernel. It's a combination. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian based GNU/Solaris: pilot program
On Wed, 2005-11-02 at 17:16 +1100, Matthew Palmer wrote: > On Tue, Nov 01, 2005 at 09:07:08PM -0800, Erast Benson wrote: > > On Wed, 2005-11-02 at 14:24 +1100, Matthew Palmer wrote: > > > On Tue, Nov 01, 2005 at 06:21:45PM -0800, Alex Ross wrote: > > > > 2) 2,300 Debian packages available for immediate usage. > > > > > > [...] > > > > > > > There are probably very few projects that can come anywhere close to > > > > Nexenta OS, > > > > in terms of the size, > > > > > > 2300 << 15000, by my reckoning. > > > > very true. but Nexenta OS is not just number of packages. it also brings > > something totally new and exciting to the Debian world. > > I'm not discounting that it's new and exciting (I wouldn't say "totally", > but that's a matter of opinion), and I'm in fact quite interested in what > the technical benefits of running Debian on a Solaris kernel might be for my > needs. This is an interesting question. You could find more answers by reading materials at www.opensolaris.org. One could benefit from the fact that OpenSolaris development is more organized and centralized which leads to more tight control on its interfaces. In short, OpenSolaris interfaces are stable. That brings binary compatability across future OpenSolaris-based distros. Another obvious benefit is that OpenSolaris licensed under open sourced license which allowes to HW vendors to write their own drivers for all that variety of existing specific hardware and yet not to open their IP. But at the same time, this license(which is CDDL), Thecnical aspects benefits too. The kernel is *very* stable and highly QA'd by Sun Microsystems. It brings bunch of advanced technologies and complete(not just partial) implementations of many kernel interfaces. >From user perspective, OpenSolaris core is well documented and supported. All that means: the end user of the system will not be forced to re-compile drivers during installations, will not suffer from half-implemented features, will not be forced to deal with source packages and will benefit from both world - proprietery and open source. Erast -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian based GNU/Solaris: pilot program
On Tue, Nov 01, 2005 at 09:32:49PM -0700, Alejandro Bonilla Beeche wrote: > I don't know if Alex works for Sun, but in anyway, he has the freedom > and option to express himself as he wishes. Your comments, only bring FUD. So I do *not* have the freedom and option to express myself as I wish? Interesting. However, you pass adverse comment on my adverse comment on Alex's post, and that is (apparently) acceptable. Well, I pass adverse comment on your adverse comment of my adverse comment, and I look forward to your adverse comment on my adverse comment on your adverse comment on my adverse comment about Alex's post. BTW, FUD does actually have a distinct meaning, it's not some catchall for "BadWords". - Matt signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Debian based GNU/Solaris: pilot program
On Tue, Nov 01, 2005 at 09:07:08PM -0800, Erast Benson wrote: > On Wed, 2005-11-02 at 14:24 +1100, Matthew Palmer wrote: > > On Tue, Nov 01, 2005 at 06:21:45PM -0800, Alex Ross wrote: > > > 2) 2,300 Debian packages available for immediate usage. > > > > [...] > > > > > There are probably very few projects that can come anywhere close to > > > Nexenta OS, > > > in terms of the size, > > > > 2300 << 15000, by my reckoning. > > very true. but Nexenta OS is not just number of packages. it also brings > something totally new and exciting to the Debian world. I'm not discounting that it's new and exciting (I wouldn't say "totally", but that's a matter of opinion), and I'm in fact quite interested in what the technical benefits of running Debian on a Solaris kernel might be for my needs. However, Alex did specifically claim that Nexenta was of unmatched size, and I was refuting that particular claim. > ...and number of packages growes as we speak. So, it is just a matter of > time. I'm actually quite surprised that you've only been able to build 2300 packages out of Debian, but I presume there's significant hurdles which I'd have trouble imagining standing in your way there. > Most hard and exciting part is to achive acceptable level of integration > between OpenSolaris Core and the rest of Debian world. Nobody did it > before. So, it is sort of not for newbies. :-) Right. You want competent, clueful, technical people to work on the project. I suspect that these are the same people who are going to be turned off (as I was) by unashamed marketing speak. In fact, your message has gotten me far more interested in Nexenta than the original did, as I can see the sort of things that need to be done and might be interested in working on some of those. - Matt signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Debian based GNU/Solaris: pilot program
On Wed, 2005-11-02 at 14:24 +1100, Matthew Palmer wrote: > On Tue, Nov 01, 2005 at 06:21:45PM -0800, Alex Ross wrote: > > 2) 2,300 Debian packages available for immediate usage. > > [...] > > > There are probably very few projects that can come anywhere close to > > Nexenta OS, > > in terms of the size, > > 2300 << 15000, by my reckoning. very true. but Nexenta OS is not just number of packages. it also brings something totally new and exciting to the Debian world. ...and number of packages growes as we speak. So, it is just a matter of time. Most hard and exciting part is to achive acceptable level of integration between OpenSolaris Core and the rest of Debian world. Nobody did it before. So, it is sort of not for newbies. :-) Also this project requires *a lot of* hacking. To name a few, we are in progress of integration Project Utopia(hal, dbus, pmount), gst, FUSE, etc. Erast -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian based GNU/Solaris: pilot program
Matthew Palmer wrote: On Tue, Nov 01, 2005 at 06:21:45PM -0800, Alex Ross wrote: words about yourself. We'll respond with a user/password. Not to poop on your parade, but please, next time you go to announce something to a technical list like d-devel -- drop the marketing guff, just stick to the useful info. I found this email and comment rude. I can't get into my head that people from community and people moving and doing open source things can become or even give out this kind of rude comments. I don't know if Alex works for Sun, but in anyway, he has the freedom and option to express himself as he wishes. Your comments, only bring FUD. 3x *shrug* .Alejandro - Matt -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian based GNU/Solaris: pilot program
On Tue, Nov 01, 2005 at 06:21:45PM -0800, Alex Ross wrote: > 2) 2,300 Debian packages available for immediate usage. [...] > There are probably very few projects that can come anywhere close to > Nexenta OS, > in terms of the size, 2300 << 15000, by my reckoning. > and openness. You keep using that word. I do not think it means, what you think it means. > If interested, please send e-mail to , and tell us > a few > words about yourself. We'll respond with a user/password. Not to poop on your parade, but please, next time you go to announce something to a technical list like d-devel -- drop the marketing guff, just stick to the useful info. - Matt signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Debian based GNU/Solaris: pilot program
Nexenta OS: Debian based GNU/Solaris == This is to announce Nexenta: the first-ever distribution that combines GNU and OpenSolaris. As you might know, Sun Microsystems just opened Solaris kernel under CDDL license, which allows one to build custom Operating Systems. Which we did... created a new Debian based GNU/Solaris distribution with (the latest bits of) Solaris kernel & core userland inside. We'll open Nexenta web developer portal completely for the general public by mid-November. Today we are launching a Pilot Program. Debian developers and the entire Debian community - you are welcome to participate in the Pilot! What is Nexenta OS today = Several things: 1) A working prototype that runs on our 32-bit laptops and AMD64 box; the latter is used for development of the system itself, and it in turn runs our entire development environment, and hosts the web portal (below). 2) 2,300 Debian packages available for immediate usage. 3) Developer's portal at http://www.gnusolaris.org - fully functional, with downloads, APT repository, discussion forums, developer's "hack zone", bug database, blogs, and numerous Solaris and free software related resources. This will be 100% open and free-of-any-charge easy-to-install easy-to-use distribution. Coming out soon! The Future === We do hope that at some point, sooner rather than later, our changes (so far for the most part just cleanups to build the DEBs in the new Solaris-like environment) will be integrated with the upstream. At the end of the day - this would be the right thing to do. For Developers == There are probably very few projects that can come anywhere close to Nexenta OS, in terms of the size, complexity and openness. The Nexenta project offers a rare opportunity to take part in something as big as this mega-project at its early stage - and make a meaningful contribution, ranging from selected improvements and up to... well, the sky's the limit. One thing that makes it not only challenging but also a rewarding experience is - the kernel. It's a true UNIX (Solaris fully complies to The Open Group specifications). It's very stable, extremely development-friendly, well documented, cleanly architected, and well written. Contact = If interested, please send e-mail to , and tell us a few words about yourself. We'll respond with a user/password. Thanks! Nexenta Team www.gnusolaris.org -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
