Re: Re: Fedora Directory Server port to Debian ?
I have used for some time Netscape Directory Server, iPlanet Directory Server and OpenLDAP (several versions) in big infrastructures. I had some problems with all of them, and also good times. Now, I am making a systems definition for a moderate to big mail system. I was thinking only in OpenLDAP as I need real open-source software. But 4 days ago Red Hat has published its whole Fedora Directory Server (not only parts of it) in an open-source type license. I do not mind Multi Master replication, in fact I have only found very few scenarios in the past where it could have been a desired feature. But now I almost need some type of virtual attributes, the like FDS implements through Class of Service attributes. In OpenLDAP there are collective attributes but I think I can not use them for my needs. I want to use this feature for a group of attributes, like mail quota, mail storage subsystem used, max number of messages send once, etc. Then I can define virtual attributes representing pregiven values for different users, and whether I need to change some global attribute I do not need to change all users. I know I can make this in the client side, but that would break compatibility with existing software that I would then have to tweak. If I could do this some way with OpenLDAP I shall use it. I have not used OpenLDAP in big systems for several years, so I can not tell I am an expert with it. If I am wrong, and it is possible to implement some type of Class of Service with OpenLDAP, I would apprecciate you tell me. If it is not possible, maybe this is a good reason to make a package for FDS in Debian, to get in touch and involved in FDS development, and/or make OpenLDAP improve in this and other features. -- Emilio Perez eperez-_AT_-cesatel.net -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Fedora Directory Server port to Debian ?
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED] you wrote: I have not used OpenLDAP in big systems for several years, so I can not tell I am an expert with it. If I am wrong, and it is possible to implement some type of Class of Service with OpenLDAP, I would apprecciate you tell me. Personally I would use a more traditional approach, an quota attribute for the mailbox class, and if it is empty fall back to a number from mailbox's default profile. This is a bit more work on the application side, but it requires less special features in the directory server, which might make the overall application more portable. Another option would be a script backend in OpenLDAP. If it is not possible, maybe this is a good reason to make a package for FDS in Debian, to get in touch and involved in FDS development, and/or make OpenLDAP improve in this and other features. At least a RFP would be nice, I have thought about playing around with the Server, too. Gruss Bernd -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Fedora Directory Server port to Debian ?
Op zo, 07-08-2005 te 09:43 -0700, schreef Russ Allbery: Paul Wise [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Is somebody working on porting/packaging FDS to Debian? http://bugs.debian.org/315297 Bad package description. It tells me something I don't care about (namely the acronym expansion of LDAP) and none of the things I do care about (why would I want this package rather than some other directory server). As far as I can tell, there is no-one packaging it yet, feel free to contribute, I imagine that it would be good to have this in debian. Out of curiousity, why? I can't think of any reason to run FDS when we already have OpenLDAP, having had the experience of dealing with FDS's technological predecessor. Having had experience dealing with OpenLDAP, I'd be happy to have just /anything/ else. That being said, there's nothing wrong with having multiple implementations of the same thing -- on the contrary. We have multiple implementations of DNS-servers, MTA's, MUA's, database servers, browsers, user environments, and whatnot. Why not multiple LDAP servers? -- The amount of time between slipping on the peel and landing on the pavement is precisely one bananosecond -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Fedora Directory Server port to Debian ?
Wouter Verhelst [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Having had experience dealing with OpenLDAP, I'd be happy to have just /anything/ else. Not a universal opinion by any stretch; we used to run Netscape's directory server, which I believe is the original technology behind FDS, and were so happy to switch to OpenLDAP that I can't describe it. OpenLDAP has been a dream. It does, however, require a fair bit of tuning knowledge to make it work reliably. That being said, there's nothing wrong with having multiple implementations of the same thing -- on the contrary. We have multiple implementations of DNS-servers, MTA's, MUA's, database servers, browsers, user environments, and whatnot. Why not multiple LDAP servers? No, I'm fine there. As I said, the question was asked out of curiosity. However, I do think that something needs to be said in the package description, if only this is packaged as an alternative to OpenLDAP because alternatives are good. (And there is more that one can say, notably multi-master replication, although it's probably worth putting some caveat on that so that people new to LDAP realize that it's a controversial feature that some LDAP experts recommend against ever using.) -- Russ Allbery ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) http://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Fedora Directory Server port to Debian ?
Hi, Is somebody working on porting/packaging FDS to Debian? Since no-one answered you yet, I presume not. However, it has been built on debian, please read the RFP bug and a couple of mails on a redhat list: http://bugs.debian.org/315297 https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-directory-devel/2005-June/msg6.html https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-directory-devel/2005-June/msg7.html As far as I can tell, there is no-one packaging it yet, feel free to contribute, I imagine that it would be good to have this in debian. http://people.debian.org/~mpalmer/debian-mentors_FAQ.html#packaging -- bye, pabs http://qa.debian.org/developer.php?login=Paul+Wisecomaint=yes signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: Fedora Directory Server port to Debian ?
Paul Wise [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Is somebody working on porting/packaging FDS to Debian? http://bugs.debian.org/315297 Bad package description. It tells me something I don't care about (namely the acronym expansion of LDAP) and none of the things I do care about (why would I want this package rather than some other directory server). As far as I can tell, there is no-one packaging it yet, feel free to contribute, I imagine that it would be good to have this in debian. Out of curiousity, why? I can't think of any reason to run FDS when we already have OpenLDAP, having had the experience of dealing with FDS's technological predecessor. Is it just the multi-master replication that people are interested in? (Whatever the answer is, assuming there is some compelling feature not found in OpenLDAP, it should go into the package description.) -- Russ Allbery ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) http://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Fedora Directory Server port to Debian ?
Hi, Is somebody working on porting/packaging FDS to Debian? http://bugs.debian.org/315297 Bad package description. It tells me something I don't care about (namely the acronym expansion of LDAP) and none of the things I do care about (why would I want this package rather than some other directory server). As with many RFPs, it seems to have just been ripped from upstream. As far as I can tell, there is no-one packaging it yet, feel free to contribute, I imagine that it would be good to have this in debian. Out of curiousity, why? I can't think of any reason to run FDS when we already have OpenLDAP, having had the experience of dealing with FDS's technological predecessor. Is it just the multi-master replication that people are interested in? Comparison: http://directory.fedora.redhat.com/wiki/FAQ#How_is_Fedora_Directory_Server_different_from_OpenLDAP.3F http://directory.fedora.redhat.com/wiki/Features http://www.openldap.org/faq/data/cache/645.html http://www.openldap.org/faq/data/cache/649.html I guess that would be a question for Maykel Moya and Ryan Lovett :) What is your reason for preferring FDS over OpenLDAP? Other reason is the marketing buzz surrounding FDS - debian doesn't have the oh-so-great and recently freed FDS, oh well, looks like we use fedora. Also, see the last paragraph of this: http://software.newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=05/06/22/1543207from=rss (Whatever the answer is, assuming there is some compelling feature not found in OpenLDAP, it should go into the package description.) Indeed. -- bye, pabs http://qa.debian.org/developer.php?login=Paul+Wisecomaint=yes signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Fedora Directory Server port to Debian ?
Is somebody working on porting/packaging FDS to Debian? Regards, maykel -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
