How to handle the jargon file?
Debian has at the moment the packages: jargon 4.0.0-3 maintained by Steve Greenland [EMAIL PROTECTED] jargon-text 4.0.0-3 maintained by Edward Betts [EMAIL PROTECTED] (me) The first is in info format, the second in an odd hypertext language with a viewer called Volks-hypertext browser (also pacakged by me as vh). Both are version 4.0.0 of the jargon file. Eric S. Raymond has released version 4.1.2 of the jargon file, but it is not released in info format. The text version is broken, it does not work correctly with Volks-hypertext browser and the spacing is messed up. ESR's perfered format is html. The jargon file is now avaliable as a single 2Mb html file jargon.html, which works quite well, if it does take a little while to load into lynx. The other option is a .tar.gz file containing all the html but each entry is a seperate file. I have done some work to see if I can package it, included is a perl script jargon-search for /usr/lib/cgi-bin to run searchs which I have yet to get working. What I want to know is does every else argee that this is the right way of doing it? I noticed that Steve Greenland sayed he was going to remove his jargon package because he did not think that it should be part of Debian. I disagree, I think the jargon file is an important part of hacker folklore. One of the main reasons that I selected Debian as my OS rather than Redhat was that Debian included a copy of the jargon file. I would argue that if the jargon package was to be removed, so should miscfile. -- I consume, therefore I am pgpAnKv8SCg6c.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: How to handle the jargon file?
On Wed, May 26, 1999 at 03:43:11PM +0100, Edward Betts wrote: ESR's perfered format is html. The jargon file is now avaliable as a single 2Mb html file jargon.html, which works quite well, if it does take a little while to load into lynx. The other option is a .tar.gz file containing all the html but each entry is a seperate file. I have done some work to see if I can package it, included is a perl script jargon-search for /usr/lib/cgi-bin to run searchs which I have yet to get working. What I want to know is does every else argee that this is the right way of doing it? Maybe you should take advantage of the dhelp and doc-base packages. These already provide searching via glimpse, iirc. It would also keep all the documentation central.
Re: How to handle the jargon file?
Just curious really, but which format does the dict-jargon package use? Cheers Dave On Wed, May 26, 1999 at 15:43 +0100, Edward Betts wrote: Debian has at the moment the packages: jargon 4.0.0-3 maintained by Steve Greenland [EMAIL PROTECTED] jargon-text 4.0.0-3 maintained by Edward Betts [EMAIL PROTECTED] (me) The first is in info format, the second in an odd hypertext language with a viewer called Volks-hypertext browser (also pacakged by me as vh). Both are version 4.0.0 of the jargon file. Eric S. Raymond has released version 4.1.2 of the jargon file, but it is not released in info format. The text version is broken, it does not work correctly with Volks-hypertext browser and the spacing is messed up. ESR's perfered format is html. The jargon file is now avaliable as a single 2Mb html file jargon.html, which works quite well, if it does take a little while to load into lynx. The other option is a .tar.gz file containing all the html but each entry is a seperate file. I have done some work to see if I can package it, included is a perl script jargon-search for /usr/lib/cgi-bin to run searchs which I have yet to get working. What I want to know is does every else argee that this is the right way of doing it? I noticed that Steve Greenland sayed he was going to remove his jargon package because he did not think that it should be part of Debian. I disagree, I think the jargon file is an important part of hacker folklore. One of the main reasons that I selected Debian as my OS rather than Redhat was that Debian included a copy of the jargon file. I would argue that if the jargon package was to be removed, so should miscfile. -- I consume, therefore I am -- Dave Swegen | Debian 2.1 on Linux i386 2.2.3 [EMAIL PROTECTED] | PGP key available on request [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Linux: The Choice of a GNU Generation --
Re: How to handle the jargon file?
On Wed, May 26, 1999 at 03:43:11PM +0100, Edward Betts wrote: Eric S. Raymond has released version 4.1.2 of the jargon file, but it is not released in info format. The text version is broken, it does not work correctly with Volks-hypertext browser and the spacing is messed up. ESR's perfered format is html. The jargon file is now avaliable as a single 2Mb html file jargon.html, which works quite well, if it does take a little while to load into lynx. The other option is a .tar.gz file containing all the html but each entry is a seperate file. I have done some work to see if I can package it, included is a perl script jargon-search for /usr/lib/cgi-bin to run searchs which I have yet to get working. What I want to know is does every else argee that this is the right way of doing it? What format does dict use it? I won't load linx when I need to look something up so if it's not in dict format, it's useless to me and I'll probably not use it/install it.. -- Please cc all mailing list replies to me, also. = * http://benham.net/index.html[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * ---* * Debian Developer, Debian Project Secretary, Debian Webmaster * * [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] * * [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] * = pgpxlATWvo7Xg.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: How to handle the jargon file?
On Wed, 26 May, 1999, Dave Swegen wrote: Just curious really, but which format does the dict-jargon package use? None, I forgot about that one, it uses its own format. So that is ANOTHER version of jargon, I presume it is still 4.0.0 and not yet updated to 4.1.2 -- I consume, therefore I am pgp5q6tVhmwRp.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: How to handle the jargon file?
Edward Betts wrote: ESR's perfered format is html. The jargon file is now avaliable as a single 2Mb html file jargon.html, which works quite well, if it does take a little while to load into lynx. The other option is a .tar.gz file containing all the html but each entry is a seperate file. I have done some work to see if I can package it, included is a perl script jargon-search for /usr/lib/cgi-bin to run searchs which I have yet to get working. The main thing I don't want to see change is the current jargon command. I'm used to being able to type jargon foo and get to the definition of foo. I don't really care if it continues to use info, or some other viewer, just so long as the base command stays the same. It seems to easiest way to manage that would be to use lynx (or sensible-browser if we get that) to pull up the correct html file. I noticed that Steve Greenland sayed he was going to remove his jargon package because he did not think that it should be part of Debian. I disagree, I think the jargon file is an important part of hacker folklore. One of the main reasons that I selected Debian as my OS rather than Redhat was that Debian included a copy of the jargon file. Jargon belongs here. -- see shy jo
Re: How to handle the jargon file?
On Wed, May 26, 1999 at 02:16:37PM -0700, Joey Hess wrote: The main thing I don't want to see change is the current jargon command. I'm used to being able to type jargon foo and get to the definition of foo. I don't really care if it continues to use info, or some other viewer, just so long as the base command stays the same. It seems to easiest way to manage that would be to use lynx (or sensible-browser if we get that) to pull up the correct html file. Just as an aside, wouldn't a dict foo work if dictd had a jargon dictionary? -- Please cc all mailing list replies to me, also. = * http://benham.net/index.html[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * ---* * Debian Developer, Debian Project Secretary, Debian Webmaster * * [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] * * [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] * = pgpzOjA8T7b6f.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: How to handle the jargon file?
On Wed, May 26, 1999 at 07:11:49PM +0100, Edward Betts wrote: On Wed, 26 May, 1999, Dave Swegen wrote: Just curious really, but which format does the dict-jargon package use? None, I forgot about that one, it uses its own format. So that is ANOTHER version of jargon, I presume it is still 4.0.0 and not yet updated to 4.1.2 my feeling is that the dict format is the best format to use for the jargon dictionary - then it works for command-line queries and can be wrapped in a cgi for html output. maybe esr could be convinced to use dict as the 'source' format and generate html or whatever else from that? craig -- craig sanders
Re: How to handle the jargon file?
Darren O. Benham wrote: Just as an aside, wouldn't a dict foo work if dictd had a jargon dictionary? Sure, that'd work fine. In fact, it does work fine except that dictionary is out of date. My point about keeping the jargon command around with the same interface remains, though. -- see shy jo
Re: How to handle the jargon file?
Craig Sanders wrote: maybe esr could be convinced to use dict as the 'source' format and generate html or whatever else from that? musingIt'd be nice if he could be convinced to use *any* format that is flexable to generate all the other formats. SGML and XML come to mind./musing -- see shy jo
Re: How to handle the jargon file?
On 26-May-99, 16:16 (CDT), Joey Hess [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Edward Betts wrote: I noticed that Steve Greenland sayed he was going to remove his jargon package because he did not think that it should be part of Debian. I disagree, I think the jargon file is an important part of hacker folklore. One of the main reasons that I selected Debian as my OS rather than Redhat was that Debian included a copy of the jargon file. Jargon belongs here. Why? While I like the jargon file, how is it different than the gnu-philosophy pages or Anarchist FAQ: An interesting (set of) document(s), but not really an appropriate part of an OS Distribution? Someone (Ben Collins?) mentioned that they treat it as a dictionary, so I can kind of see that, although the whole thing includes a bunch of other stuff. BTW, Edward, you mentioned you were working on the new HTML version. I'd be very happy to see you formally adopt the package. The website says they are going to release the SGML sources when they get the tool situation straightened out; at that point I'd like to see an info release. If you don't want to do it, I'll do it. (Note again that I'm very happy to see packages of this kind of stuff, I'm just not convinced they belong in main) Later, sg
Re: How to handle the jargon file?
Steve Greenland wrote: Why? While I like the jargon file, how is it different than the gnu-philosophy pages or Anarchist FAQ: An interesting (set of) document(s), but not really an appropriate part of an OS Distribution? Someone (Ben Collins?) mentioned that they treat it as a dictionary, so I can kind of see that, although the whole thing includes a bunch of other stuff. It's a dictionary. If you're reading anything vaguely technical, like a post to debian-user, and any term is mentioned that you (or a newbie) don't understand, it'll probably be in there. -- see shy jo
