Re: How to install Suggested (Was: Are all recommended modules equally important?)
On Wed, 19 Mar 2008, Joe Smith wrote: I will say the following. I fully agree that "--install-suggests" should exist, and should do the right thing. It sounds like an easy enough feature to add, my guess is that the code for installing or not installing recommends could be adapted to work with relatively little difficulty. (I'm guessing the recommends feature is simply setting a configuration option, so duplicating it and changing the option set should work. I may be wrong though.) That is definately a wishlist bug. #473079 As for the apt.conf configuartion option, I think it is documented in the correct place (configure-index.gz), although it may be wise to mention that file from the main apt-get manpage, as a list of other options that can be used through the -o command line option. That mention is worth a seperate wishlist bug. Finally, if the documention indicating how one uses the -o command line option is not clear (the apt-get manpage should definately have at least one example of that options use), then that is annother wishlist bug, but may be worth merging in with the previous one. #473089 Tags: patch Kind regards Andreas. -- http://fam-tille.de -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Re: How to install Suggested (Was: Are all recommended modules equally important?)
On Wed, 19 Mar 2008, Don Armstrong wrote: So you do something like: apt-get -o APT::Install-Suggests=true install foo; or similar. [Though it probably should be an easier option, it is possible to do.] Well, this hint was given now in the initial thread on Debian-Med and well, this actually would be an option - but if I fail to find this documented in the man pages I posted I think it is not apropriately documented. I also was sure that it is _possible_, but IMHO this is (1) a quite difficult option for a feature that might be needed by users who do not want to dive into details of apt and (2) not properly documented. Do you think that I should file (1) and (2) as different wishlist bug reports or is it rather one single problem. Different problems, though fixing 1 may make the fix for 2 useless... Or am I the only one who thinks this is a real problem. ...but I don't think it's a "real" problem. If someone is looking for such an option, that must be because selecting suggestions is not implemented. Which would be because apt-get is rather deprecated in favor of aptitude. So I think the right fix would be to implement a way to select suggestions in aptitude (if that's not already done, I don't use it). I'm a little bit reluctant to add a further bug to apt which just has gathered anough that might be considered as hot air. Kind regards Andreas. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: How to install Suggested (Was: Are all recommended modules equally important?)
"Andreas Tille" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Wed, 19 Mar 2008, Don Armstrong wrote: So you do something like: apt-get -o APT::Install-Suggests=true install foo; or similar. [Though it probably should be an easier option, it is possible to do.] Well, this hint was given now in the initial thread on Debian-Med and well, this actually would be an option - but if I fail to find this documented in the man pages I posted I think it is not apropriately documented. I also was sure that it is _possible_, but IMHO this is (1) a quite difficult option for a feature that might be needed by users who do not want to dive into details of apt and (2) not properly documented. I will say the following. I fully agree that "--install-suggests" should exist, and should do the right thing. It sounds like an easy enough feature to add, my guess is that the code for installing or not installing recommends could be adapted to work with relatively little difficulty. (I'm guessing the recommends feature is simply setting a configuration option, so duplicating it and changing the option set should work. I may be wrong though.) That is definately a wishlist bug. As for the apt.conf configuartion option, I think it is documented in the correct place (configure-index.gz), although it may be wise to mention that file from the main apt-get manpage, as a list of other options that can be used through the -o command line option. That mention is worth a seperate wishlist bug. Finally, if the documention indicating how one uses the -o command line option is not clear (the apt-get manpage should definately have at least one example of that options use), then that is annother wishlist bug, but may be worth merging in with the previous one. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: How to install Suggested (Was: Are all recommended modules equally important?)
On Wed, 19 Mar 2008, Stephen Gran wrote: Ahhh, nice place to hide some information. Users only have to [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ man apt.conf | grep /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/configure-index.gz | wc -l 3 I think that's called hidden in plain sight. I would not call it intuitive that you should grep for configure-index if you are seeking for a command line option and even if you would find this file you will also have to fiddle around with the small note Scope notation must be used if an option is specified on the command line with -o. how to actually use it. This is far away from being intuitive (or my intuition is terribly broken - that's why I'm verifying here whether it is worth a bug report). So I stick to my "perfectly hidden" statement. Other arguments? Kind regards Andreas. -- http://fam-tille.de -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: How to install Suggested (Was: Are all recommended modules equally important?)
This one time, at band camp, Andreas Tille said: > On Wed, 19 Mar 2008, LUK ShunTim wrote: > > >"man apt.conf" points you to > >/usr/share/doc/apt/examples/configure-index.gz. Maybe it has something > >you want. :-) > > Ahhh, nice place to hide some information. Users only have to [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ man apt.conf | grep /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/configure-index.gz | wc -l 3 I think that's called hidden in plain sight. -- - | ,''`.Stephen Gran | | : :' :[EMAIL PROTECTED] | | `. `'Debian user, admin, and developer | |`- http://www.debian.org | - signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: How to install Suggested (Was: Are all recommended modules equally important?)
On Wed, 19 Mar 2008, Don Armstrong wrote: So you do something like: apt-get -o APT::Install-Suggests=true install foo; or similar. [Though it probably should be an easier option, it is possible to do.] Well, this hint was given now in the initial thread on Debian-Med and well, this actually would be an option - but if I fail to find this documented in the man pages I posted I think it is not apropriately documented. I also was sure that it is _possible_, but IMHO this is (1) a quite difficult option for a feature that might be needed by users who do not want to dive into details of apt and (2) not properly documented. Do you think that I should file (1) and (2) as different wishlist bug reports or is it rather one single problem. Or am I the only one who thinks this is a real problem. I'm a little bit reluctant to add a further bug to apt which just has gathered anough that might be considered as hot air. Kind regards Andreas. -- http://fam-tille.de -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: How to install Suggested (Was: Are all recommended modules equally important?)
Andreas Tille wrote:
> On Wed, 19 Mar 2008, LUK ShunTim wrote:
>
>> "man apt.conf" points you to
>> /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/configure-index.gz. Maybe it has something
>> you want. :-)
>
> Ahhh, nice place to hide some information. Users only have to
>
> $ find /usr/share/doc/apt -type f -exec zgrep -li suggest \{\} \;
> ./changelog.gz
> ./examples/configure-index.gz
I'm just a user, and not that sophisticated. :-)
[snipped]
>
> Any body else disagrees that this feature is missing or at least
> de-facto undocumented?
No, no disagreement from me. :-) It'd certainly be nice if all relevant
information are in one place, clear and precise. And a "man whatever"
gives you everything you want.
BTW, it just struck me that the style of the apt.conf manpage is
somewhat different -- more like some explanatory essay than telling you
how to do something. It relegates the details to an example document.
>
> Kind regards
>
>Andreas.
>
Regards,
ST
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Re: How to install Suggested (Was: Are all recommended modules equally important?)
On Wed, Mar 19, 2008 at 08:15:22AM +0100, Andreas Tille wrote: > I'm sure there was such a method mentioned before and I can not imagine > that there is no way to force installation of Suggested packages. dselect can be used to install suggested packages, even if perhaps it cannot "automatically force" their installation (without manual intervention). -- Chi usa software non libero avvelena anche te. Digli di smettere. Informatica=arsenico: minime dosi in rari casi patologici, altrimenti letale. Informatica=bomba: intelligente solo per gli stupidi che ci credono. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: How to install Suggested (Was: Are all recommended modules equally important?)
On Wed, 19 Mar 2008, Andreas Tille wrote: > Moreover fixing this in a config file is hardly a practical thing if > I want to force installing Suggests only once I do not want to edit > a config file but override the setting inside the config file with a > command line option. So you do something like: apt-get -o APT::Install-Suggests=true install foo; or similar. [Though it probably should be an easier option, it is possible to do.] Don Armstrong -- Three little words. (In decending order of importance.) I love you -- hugh macleod http://www.gapingvoid.com/graphics/batch35.php http://www.donarmstrong.com http://rzlab.ucr.edu -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: How to install Suggested (Was: Are all recommended modules equally important?)
On Wed, 19 Mar 2008, LUK ShunTim wrote:
"man apt.conf" points you to
/usr/share/doc/apt/examples/configure-index.gz. Maybe it has something
you want. :-)
Ahhh, nice place to hide some information. Users only have to
$ find /usr/share/doc/apt -type f -exec zgrep -li suggest \{\} \;
./changelog.gz
./examples/configure-index.gz
Moreover fixing this in a config file is hardly a practical thing
if I want to force installing Suggests only once I do not want to
edit a config file but override the setting inside the config file
with a command line option.
BTW, there _is_ even a bug report #230295 about this issue and BTW
it is a really interesting reading how maintainers might react on
perfectly valid bug reports. :-( I also can not verify that this
bug is a duplicate as Matt Zimmerman claimed, but I did not checked
closed bugs which might perfectly contain some duplicates regarding
Recommends which is in now included by default.
On the other hand the manpage also does not match the string
"recommend" and so I'm missing the information how to explicitely
exclude recommends as well.
Moreover the hint that aptitude might understand --with-suggests
which was given in #230295 is not true any more.
Any body else disagrees that this feature is missing or at least
de-facto undocumented?
Kind regards
Andreas.
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Re: How to install Suggested (Was: Are all recommended modules equally important?)
Andreas Tille wrote: > On Wed, 19 Mar 2008, Charles Plessy wrote: > >> By the way, is there a way to install package with all the 'Suggest'ed >> dependancies, something like aptitude install bioperl --with-suggested >> ? I have >> not found anything in the manpage. > > Neither did I in man apt-get, man apt.conf, man apt-config, man aptitude > nor in the output of apt-get --help or aptitude --help. > I'm sure there was such a method mentioned before and I can not imagine > that there is no way to force installation of Suggested packages. So > I would regard this as a documentation bug - but before I'm going > to file a bug report I would like to hear the solution. > > Kind regards > >Andreas. > Hello Andreas, "man apt.conf" points you to /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/configure-index.gz. Maybe it has something you want. :-) Regards, ST -- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
How to install Suggested (Was: Are all recommended modules equally important?)
On Wed, 19 Mar 2008, Charles Plessy wrote: By the way, is there a way to install package with all the 'Suggest'ed dependancies, something like aptitude install bioperl --with-suggested ? I have not found anything in the manpage. Neither did I in man apt-get, man apt.conf, man apt-config, man aptitude nor in the output of apt-get --help or aptitude --help. I'm sure there was such a method mentioned before and I can not imagine that there is no way to force installation of Suggested packages. So I would regard this as a documentation bug - but before I'm going to file a bug report I would like to hear the solution. Kind regards Andreas. -- http://fam-tille.de -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
