ITP: 1-mb-random-data -- one megabyte of pseudo-random data
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist * Package name: 1-mb-random-data Version : 1 Upstream Author : entropy * URL : /dev/urandom * License : ? (may violate various licenses at random, though probably won't) Description : one megabyte of pseudo-random data I intend to dd if=/dev/urandom of=debian/tmp/usr/lib/1-mb-random-data I don't know what use this will be, but popularity-contest will tell us, in time, if some users have found a use for it. If so, I may at a later date package 2-mb-random-data, 1 gb-null-data, etc. The possibilities are endless! -- see shy jo signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: ITP: 1-mb-random-data -- one megabyte of pseudo-random data
On Wed, 12 Nov 2003, Joey Hess wrote: I intend to dd if=/dev/urandom of=debian/tmp/usr/lib/1-mb-random-data Will this be available via CVS? ;) Mike
Re: ITP: 1-mb-random-data -- one megabyte of pseudo-random data
On Wed, 12 Nov 2003 01:08:55 -0500, Joey Hess [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist * Package name: 1-mb-random-data Version : 1 Upstream Author : entropy * URL : /dev/urandom * License : ? (may violate various licenses at random, though probably won't) Description : one megabyte of pseudo-random data That will at least be large enough to pass ftpmaster's vetting. And it's a great idea to make random-driven applications behave in a reproducible way. scnr Marc -- -- !! No courtesy copies, please !! - Marc Haber |Questions are the | Mailadresse im Header Karlsruhe, Germany | Beginning of Wisdom | Fon: *49 721 966 32 15 Nordisch by Nature | Lt. Worf, TNG Rightful Heir | Fax: *49 721 966 31 29
Re: ITP: 1-mb-random-data -- one megabyte of pseudo-random data
Scripsit Joey Hess [EMAIL PROTECTED] Description : one megabyte of pseudo-random data I intend to dd if=3D/dev/urandom of=3Ddebian/tmp/usr/lib/1-mb-random-data Please, please, no! /dev/urandom does not reliably deliver pseudo-random data. There is a chance that fresh entropy will arrive in the middle of the computation and mess up with the pseudoness. This may happen at a buildd even if the package you build yourself does seem to be pseudo. How you you imagine fixing that? Or even discover that something has gone wrong? The mere fact that you make this suggestion without sufficiently researching the subject matter clearly shows that you're inherently unable to create Debian packages reliably. -- Henning Makholm Check the sprog.
Re: ITP: 1-mb-random-data -- one megabyte of pseudo-random data
On Wed, Nov 12, 2003 at 11:17:57AM +0100, Henning Makholm wrote: | Please, please, no! /dev/urandom does not reliably deliver | pseudo-random data. There is a chance that fresh entropy will arrive | in the middle of the computation and mess up with the pseudoness. No, I already covered that in another message. See: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2003/debian-devel-200311/msg00876.html | This may happen at a buildd even if the package you build yourself | does seem to be pseudo. How you you imagine fixing that? Or even | discover that something has gone wrong? But there are porting teams to handle that. The kernel /dev/urandom device already has to handle pseudoness on each architecture anyway, so if it doesn't work we're really just exposing a bug in the buildd, which is a Good Thing. My package has been made and I'm testing it right now. It works fine for me. I know how pseudo randomness works, so RTFMing about entropy can be done later. It's not a fundamental flaw in my package, it's just a bug which I'll soon fix. You're welcome to file a bug against my package if it's still there once it enters the archive. Besides, you're just hassling me about all these problems that the current randomness in Debian already has! I'm not making a truly new randomness package, the maintainer behind the scenes is God who's already written entropy for the upstream laws of Physics works now. I just make the package that is based on his patches. | The mere fact that you make this suggestion without sufficiently | researching the subject matter clearly shows that you're inherently | unable to create Debian packages reliably. That's objective! My contribution to the Debian project is being discouraged and ignored by trolls who clearly don't understand the informal standards of how Debian works. There's no point in continuing this thread if all you're going to do is provide slanderous arguments.
Re: ITP: 1-mb-random-data -- one megabyte of pseudo-random data
[ CCing debian-hurd ] Hi Joey, On Wed, Nov 12, 2003 at 01:08:55AM -0500, Joey Hess wrote: Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist * Package name: 1-mb-random-data Version : 1 Upstream Author : entropy * URL : /dev/urandom * License : ? (may violate various licenses at random, though probably won't) Description : one megabyte of pseudo-random data I intend to dd if=/dev/urandom of=debian/tmp/usr/lib/1-mb-random-data I don't know what use this will be, but popularity-contest will tell us, in time, if some users have found a use for it. If so, I may at a later date package 2-mb-random-data, 1 gb-null-data, etc. The possibilities are endless! Sounds interesting. There's no random translator yet integrated in the Hurd package, so it might be useful at least for the GNU/Hurd port. -- Robert Millan [..] but the delight and pride of Aule is in the deed of making, and in the thing made, and neither in possession nor in his own mastery; wherefore he gives and hoards not, and is free from care, passing ever on to some new work. -- J.R.R.T, Ainulindale (Silmarillion)
