Re: Bug#301527: ITP: mazeofgalious -- The Maze of Galious
Added debian-legal; please drop debian-devel on follow-ups. On 7/9/05, John Hasler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It is still using a copyrighted/trademarked (don't know which) name There is no such thing as a copyrighted name. The name does appear to have been a trademark at one time, but if enough time has gone by without a product being marketed under that name the trademark will have lapsed. It does however infringe the original's copyright in characters, mise-en-scene, etc., as well as a plethora of literal elements (Nearly the same look-and-feel, per your linked page). Compare the discussion of OpenTTD at http://lists.debian.org/debian-legal/2005/05/msg00628.html . And please keep it out of Debian; we have more than enough abandonware clones as it is. - Michael
Re: Bug#301527: ITP: mazeofgalious -- The Maze of Galious
On Mon, 04 Jul 2005, Gürkan Sengün wrote: * Package name: mazeofgalious Version : 0.62 Upstream Authors: Santi Ontanon [EMAIL PROTECTED] * URL : http://www.braingames.getput.com/mog/ * License : Not defined yet (will try to work this out with upstream) Description : The Maze of Galious It's now GPL, the missing License file was added as of yesterday. It is still using a copyrighted/trademarked (don't know which) name, and a lot of copyrighted IP. It meets the DFSG, and it can go in main, but it is very dubious if the upstream author has the right to call his game Maze of gallious and even distribute it at all... I wouldn't upload it to Debian, but I am just repeating myself here. -- One disk to rule them all, One disk to find them. One disk to bring them all and in the darkness grind them. In the Land of Redmond where the shadows lie. -- The Silicon Valley Tarot Henrique Holschuh
Re: Bug#301527: ITP: mazeofgalious -- The Maze of Galious
It is still using a copyrighted/trademarked (don't know which) name There is no such thing as a copyrighted name. The name does appear to have been a trademark at one time, but if enough time has gone by without a product being marketed under that name the trademark will have lapsed. -- John Hasler -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Bug#301527: ITP: mazeofgalious -- The Maze of Galious
* Package name: mazeofgalious Version : 0.62 Upstream Authors: Santi Ontanon [EMAIL PROTECTED] * URL : http://www.braingames.getput.com/mog/ * License : Not defined yet (will try to work this out with upstream) Description : The Maze of Galious It's now GPL, the missing License file was added as of yesterday. Guerkan -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
ITP: mazeofgalious -- The Maze of Galious
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist * Package name: mazeofgalious Version : 0.62 Upstream Authors: Santi Ontanon [EMAIL PROTECTED] * URL : http://www.braingames.getput.com/mog/ * License : Not defined yet (will try to work this out with upstream) Description : The Maze of Galious This is a very adictive game where you have to kill thousands of enemies, collect items in order to obtain new powers, and defeat some really great guys at the end of each level. You are free to go everywhere you want from the beginning of the game, you have to choose very carefully the order in which you visit all the rooms in the huge map if you want to keep your character to stay alive. The map is structures in a main map (called the castle), and 10 submaps (called the worlds), initially you are in the castle, and you have to find the keys that open the doors to go to each of the worlds. To complete the game, you have to defeat the boss at the end of each one of the 10 worlds. You are free to revisit each world as often as you want, in order to see if you have missed something. To defeat all 10 beasts, you control two characters: Popolon and Aphrodite, and each one has special abilities, i.e. Popolon has a greater ability to jump and Aphrodite is able to dive. . The Maze of Galious (MOG) was originally a Konami game for MSX, its real name is Knightmare II: The Maze of Galious and is the sequel of another Konami game called Knightmare. . Homepage: http://www.braingames.getput.com/mog/ -- System Information: Debian Release: testing/unstable Architecture: powerpc Kernel: Linux ibook 2.4.23-ben1 #7 Sat Dec 27 11:20:38 CET 2003 ppc Locale: LANG=POSIX, LC_CTYPE=POSIX -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ITP: mazeofgalious -- The Maze of Galious
On Sat, 26 Mar 2005, Gürkan Sengün wrote: * Package name: mazeofgalious This game cannot be packaged, it infringes a lot of Konami copyright. You must remember that the game *design* itself is copyrighted, as well as the name, the characters, the graphics, etc. That said, it is almost (almost) as good as the original MSX one, and worth playing! Please remove this ITP. -- One disk to rule them all, One disk to find them. One disk to bring them all and in the darkness grind them. In the Land of Redmond where the shadows lie. -- The Silicon Valley Tarot Henrique Holschuh
Re: ITP: mazeofgalious -- The Maze of Galious
On Sat, 26 Mar 2005, Gürkan Sengün wrote: This game cannot be packaged, it infringes a lot of Konami copyright. You must remember that the game *design* itself is copyrighted, as well as the name, the characters, the graphics, etc. What about Bomberman? Pacman? Pingus? Supertux? No I will not remove it because of the reasons you gave. Konami is actively enforcing their copyrights. Even a completely NEW game (Manesis) which only used the gameplay and themes from Nemesis/Gradius had to be pulled by its author because of a direct Konami request. And Manesis was almost 100% new stuff. Also, try to find Tokimeki Knightmare for download. Can't, well, that's because it had to be pulled for the same reason. And Tokimeki knightmare is on the *same* gameline as Maze of Galious (i.e. Knightmare, Maze of Galious (both editions), and Shalom). Konami knows their old games are more than good enough to sell well in emulation CDs for newer systems and also they are about just right for the mobile market. With the completely new graphics, sounds and source I don't think it is a problem for Konami. Unless they say so some day I will leave this ITP. The map is the same. All the things postfixed with the two magic letters TM in superscript are the same. The *graphics* are mostly the same in at least a few of the themes, and are very close to the same in all but one or two of the themes. Packaging this game is not a good idea IMO. I speak this as a major fan of the entire knightmare series. As for the other games you mentioned: I don't know about PacMan, that one might be on the public domain for all I know. Same for bomberman. Pingus only copies the concept, so it would be in about as much trouble as Manesis was, except for the fact that Lemmings is *not* from Konami, and nobody ever heard anything from Psygnosis requesting Pingus to be withdrawn. I have no idea about Supertux. -- One disk to rule them all, One disk to find them. One disk to bring them all and in the darkness grind them. In the Land of Redmond where the shadows lie. -- The Silicon Valley Tarot Henrique Holschuh
Re: ITP: mazeofgalious -- The Maze of Galious
Hi Henrique This game cannot be packaged, it infringes a lot of Konami copyright. You must remember that the game *design* itself is copyrighted, as well as the name, the characters, the graphics, etc. What about Bomberman? Pacman? Pingus? Supertux? No I will not remove it because of the reasons you gave. That said, it is almost (almost) as good as the original MSX one, and worth playing! Please remove this ITP. With the completely new graphics, sounds and source I don't think it is a problem for Konami. Unless they say so some day I will leave this ITP. yours, gürkan
Re: ITP: mazeofgalious -- The Maze of Galious
On Saturday 26 March 2005 03:04 pm, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote: As for the other games you mentioned: I don't know about PacMan, that one might be on the public domain for all I know. Same for bomberman. Pingus only copies the concept, so it would be in about as much trouble as Manesis was, except for the fact that Lemmings is *not* from Konami, and nobody ever heard anything from Psygnosis requesting Pingus to be withdrawn. I have no idea about Supertux. And for an example in the other direction, see freecraft and bnetd. Daniel -- /--- Daniel Burrows [EMAIL PROTECTED] --\ | He had a terrible memory. He remembered everything.| \ The Turtle Moves! -- http://www.lspace.org ---/ pgpWhSk4dBVbk.pgp Description: PGP signature