Jessie Freeze -> What is the next release name? (jessie+1)

2014-11-08 Thread Osamu Aoki
Hi,

On Wed, Nov 05, 2014 at 11:56:49PM +, Jonathan Wiltshire wrote:
> The release team is pleased to announce that Debian 8.0 "Jessie" is frozen.
> Further updates to this release will be restricted to bug fixes only.
...

I thought usually this type of announcement comes with next release
name.

I was going to update web site (later) and debian-reference package (in
November) in proper timing.  Did I miss some announcement? 
(Too many init discussion posts )

Regards,

Osamu


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Re: Jessie Freeze -> What is the next release name? (jessie+1)

2014-11-08 Thread Javier Barroso
It would be useful to know it :
https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=766283

Regards
El 08/11/2014 18:07, "Osamu Aoki"  escribió:

> Hi,
>
> On Wed, Nov 05, 2014 at 11:56:49PM +, Jonathan Wiltshire wrote:
> > The release team is pleased to announce that Debian 8.0 "Jessie" is
> frozen.
> > Further updates to this release will be restricted to bug fixes only.
> ...
>
> I thought usually this type of announcement comes with next release
> name.
>
> I was going to update web site (later) and debian-reference package (in
> November) in proper timing.  Did I miss some announcement?
> (Too many init discussion posts )
>
> Regards,
>
> Osamu
>
>
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Re: Jessie Freeze -> What is the next release name? (jessie+1)

2014-11-08 Thread Arno Töll
Hi,

the next release will be named Debian Zurg[*].


[*] soon to be announced, I'm sure.

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Re: Jessie Freeze -> What is the next release name? (jessie+1)

2014-11-08 Thread Adam Borowski
On Sat, Nov 08, 2014 at 06:13:31PM +0100, Javier Barroso wrote:
> > On Wed, Nov 05, 2014 at 11:56:49PM +, Jonathan Wiltshire wrote:
> > > The release team is pleased to announce that Debian 8.0 "Jessie" is
> > > frozen.
>
> > I thought usually this type of announcement comes with next release
> > name.
> >
> > I was going to update web site (later) and debian-reference package (in
> > November) in proper timing.  Did I miss some announcement?
> > (Too many init discussion posts )
>
> It would be useful to know it :
> https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=766283

To prevent such problems in the future, what about choosing the names for
both zurg and zurg+1?  This way, the codename for zurg+1 would be known
during the whole zurg development cycle.

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Re: Jessie Freeze -> What is the next release name? (jessie+1)

2014-11-08 Thread Niels Thykier
On 2014-11-08 18:06, Osamu Aoki wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> On Wed, Nov 05, 2014 at 11:56:49PM +, Jonathan Wiltshire wrote:
>> The release team is pleased to announce that Debian 8.0 "Jessie" is frozen.
>> Further updates to this release will be restricted to bug fixes only.
> ...
> 
> I thought usually this type of announcement comes with next release
> name.
> 
> I was going to update web site (later) and debian-reference package (in
> November) in proper timing.  Did I miss some announcement? 
> (Too many init discussion posts )
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Osamu
> 
> 

The release name of Jessie+1 will be announced tomorrow morning
(09:15-10:15 UTC) at the Release update at the Cambridge mini-DebConf.

~Niels






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Re: Jessie Freeze -> What is the next release name? (jessie+1)

2014-11-08 Thread Jerome BENOIT


On 08/11/14 19:00, Adam Borowski wrote:
> On Sat, Nov 08, 2014 at 06:13:31PM +0100, Javier Barroso wrote:
>>> On Wed, Nov 05, 2014 at 11:56:49PM +, Jonathan Wiltshire wrote:
 The release team is pleased to announce that Debian 8.0 "Jessie" is
 frozen.
>>
>>> I thought usually this type of announcement comes with next release
>>> name.
>>>
>>> I was going to update web site (later) and debian-reference package (in
>>> November) in proper timing.  Did I miss some announcement?
>>> (Too many init discussion posts )
>>
>> It would be useful to know it :
>> https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=766283
> 
> To prevent such problems in the future, what about choosing the names for
> both zurg and zurg+1?  This way, the codename for zurg+1 would be known
> during the whole zurg development cycle.

In this approach, for consistency, (zurg+1)+1=zurg+2 must also be given, and so 
forth:
so from now to the end of the time, the all codename sequence must be given.
Giving (+1) before the freeze of  sounds more realistic.

Jerome

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Re: Jessie Freeze -> What is the next release name? (jessie+1)

2014-11-08 Thread Adam Borowski
On Sat, Nov 08, 2014 at 07:46:09PM +0100, Jerome BENOIT wrote:
> On 08/11/14 19:00, Adam Borowski wrote:
> > To prevent such problems in the future, what about choosing the names for
> > both zurg and zurg+1?  This way, the codename for zurg+1 would be known
> > during the whole zurg development cycle.
> 
> In this approach, for consistency, (zurg+1)+1=zurg+2 must also be given, and 
> so forth:
> so from now to the end of the time, the all codename sequence must be given.
> Giving (+1) before the freeze of  sounds more realistic.

There's no no-negligible development nor plans for testing+2, so knowing
the name of just testing+1 is enough.  What I'm arguing for here, though, is
knowing testing+1 no later than the time of testing-1's release.

Testing-1's freeze is on the other hand the earliest boundary when this
makes sense (if we include experimental as a part of zurg's cycle).  I
proposed naming zurg+1 right now because we're right on this earliest
boundary, and the release team happens to be physically in one place.

In the long run, moving the naming ceremony from freeze to release would
probably be best.

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Re: Jessie Freeze -> What is the next release name? (jessie+1)

2014-11-08 Thread Holger Levsen
Hi,

On Samstag, 8. November 2014, Niels Thykier wrote:
> The release name of Jessie+1 will be announced tomorrow morning
> (09:15-10:15 UTC) at the Release update at the Cambridge mini-DebConf.

that's not quite sure yet, it depends whether you'll oversleep or not! ;-)


cheers,
Holger




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Re: Jessie Freeze -> What is the next release name? (jessie+1)

2014-11-08 Thread Jerome BENOIT


On 08/11/14 21:04, Adam Borowski wrote:
> On Sat, Nov 08, 2014 at 07:46:09PM +0100, Jerome BENOIT wrote:
>> On 08/11/14 19:00, Adam Borowski wrote:
>>> To prevent such problems in the future, what about choosing the names for
>>> both zurg and zurg+1?  This way, the codename for zurg+1 would be known
>>> during the whole zurg development cycle.
>>
>> In this approach, for consistency, (zurg+1)+1=zurg+2 must also be given, and 
>> so forth:
>> so from now to the end of the time, the all codename sequence must be given.
>> Giving (+1) before the freeze of  sounds more realistic.
> 
> There's no no-negligible development nor plans for testing+2, so knowing
> the name of just testing+1 is enough.

I am absolutely agree. My point was that the assertion
`` choosing the names for both zurg and zurg+1 ''
builds an infinite sequence of codenames. This is math.

  What I'm arguing for here, though, is
> knowing testing+1 no later than the time of testing-1's release.
> 
> Testing-1's freeze is on the other hand the earliest boundary when this
> makes sense (if we include experimental as a part of zurg's cycle).  I
> proposed naming zurg+1 right now because we're right on this earliest
> boundary, and the release team happens to be physically in one place.
> 
> In the long run, moving the naming ceremony from freeze to release would
> probably be best.
> 


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Re: Jessie Freeze -> What is the next release name? (jessie+1)

2014-11-08 Thread Jonathan Wiltshire
On Sat, Nov 08, 2014 at 07:00:07PM +0100, Adam Borowski wrote:
> On Sat, Nov 08, 2014 at 06:13:31PM +0100, Javier Barroso wrote:
> > > On Wed, Nov 05, 2014 at 11:56:49PM +, Jonathan Wiltshire wrote:
> > > > The release team is pleased to announce that Debian 8.0 "Jessie" is
> > > > frozen.
> >
> > > I thought usually this type of announcement comes with next release
> > > name.
> > >
> > > I was going to update web site (later) and debian-reference package (in
> > > November) in proper timing.  Did I miss some announcement?
> > > (Too many init discussion posts )
> >
> > It would be useful to know it :
> > https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=766283
> 
> To prevent such problems in the future, what about choosing the names for
> both zurg and zurg+1?  This way, the codename for zurg+1 would be known
> during the whole zurg development cycle.

This did occur to us, yes.


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Re: Jessie Freeze -> What is the next release name? (jessie+1)

2014-11-09 Thread Matthias Urlichs
Hi,

Osamu Aoki:
> I thought usually this type of announcement comes with next release
> name.
> 
> I was going to update web site (later) and debian-reference package (in
> November) in proper timing.  Did I miss some announcement? 
> 
See the debian-devel archives from mid-Fenruary 2014. According to Neil
McGovern, the code name shall be "zurg".

>>> https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2014/02/msg00905.html

While that was in no way official, at the time it kindof struck a chord,
so I'd like us to just go with it.

After all the init/GR/what-have-you brouhaha, we can do with some levity. :-)

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Re: Jessie Freeze -> What is the next release name? (jessie+1)

2014-11-09 Thread Adam D. Barratt

On 2014-11-09 9:23, Matthias Urlichs wrote:

See the debian-devel archives from mid-Fenruary 2014. According to Neil
McGovern, the code name shall be "zurg".


https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2014/02/msg00905.html


While that was in no way official, at the time it kindof struck a 
chord,

so I'd like us to just go with it.


I'm afraid you're going to be disappointed; see d-d-a earlier today.

Regards,

Adam


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Re: Jessie Freeze -> What is the next release name? (jessie+1)

2014-11-10 Thread Dimitri John Ledkov
On 9 November 2014 18:36, Adam D. Barratt  wrote:
> On 2014-11-09 9:23, Matthias Urlichs wrote:
>>
>> See the debian-devel archives from mid-Fenruary 2014. According to Neil
>> McGovern, the code name shall be "zurg".
>>
> https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2014/02/msg00905.html
>>
>>
>> While that was in no way official, at the time it kindof struck a chord,
>> so I'd like us to just go with it.
>
>
> I'm afraid you're going to be disappointed; see d-d-a earlier today.
>

i am disappoint. =( will second the motion on debian-vote to go for zurg.

stretch simply does not have the same ring to it / doesn't sound as cool.

(although calling the release stretch, right after squeeze would have
been funny)
(and buster is an awesome one)

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Re: Jessie Freeze -> What is the next release name? (jessie+1)

2014-11-10 Thread Arno Töll
On 10.11.2014 10:55, Dimitri John Ledkov wrote:
> i am disappoint. =( will second the motion on debian-vote to go for zurg.

There is a ongoing GR proposal waiting for seconds, see
https://lists.debian.org/debian-curiosa/2014/11/msg3.html which I
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Re: Jessie Freeze -> What is the next release name? (jessie+1)

2014-11-10 Thread Matthias Urlichs
Hi,

Arno Töll:
> On 10.11.2014 10:55, Dimitri John Ledkov wrote:
> > i am disappoint. =( will second the motion on debian-vote to go for zurg.
> 
> There is a ongoing GR proposal waiting for seconds, see
> https://lists.debian.org/debian-curiosa/2014/11/msg3.html which I
> fully support!
> 
Don't we all love people playing games with our mailing lists.

>> To: debian-vote 

So it's not been formally posted to -vote AFAICT. On the other hand, we
desperately need some levity there, so … Jakub, please do.

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Re: Jessie Freeze -> What is the next release name? (jessie+1)

2014-11-10 Thread Holger Levsen
Hi,

On Montag, 10. November 2014, Matthias Urlichs wrote:
> Don't we all love people playing games with our mailing lists.

no.
 
> >> To: debian-vote 
> So it's not been formally posted to -vote AFAICT. On the other hand, we
> desperately need some levity there, so … Jakub, please do.
> FWIW: seconded.

can you please keep this to -curiosa where it belongs?


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Re: Jessie Freeze -> What is the next release name? (jessie+1)

2014-11-10 Thread Neil McGovern
On Sun, Nov 09, 2014 at 10:23:01AM +0100, Matthias Urlichs wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> Osamu Aoki:
> > I thought usually this type of announcement comes with next release
> > name.
> > 
> > I was going to update web site (later) and debian-reference package (in
> > November) in proper timing.  Did I miss some announcement? 
> > 
> See the debian-devel archives from mid-Fenruary 2014. According to Neil
> McGovern, the code name shall be "zurg".
> 
> >>> https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2014/02/msg00905.html
> 
> While that was in no way official, at the time it kindof struck a chord,
> so I'd like us to just go with it.
> 
> After all the init/GR/what-have-you brouhaha, we can do with some levity. :-)
> 

Also, please see the footnote in my mail above.

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Re: Jessie Freeze -> What is the next release name? (jessie+1)

2014-11-10 Thread Matthias Urlichs
Hi,

Neil McGovern:
> Also, please see the footnote in my mail above.
> 
Indeed.

Some lies become truths if repeated often enough.
This one, apparently, was not.

Too bad, really.

But no matter. Zurg's time will come. :-P

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