Re: MIPS64EL port box is ready for use (Was: mips64el port build failed list)
On 25 October 2013 17:22, YunQiang Su wzss...@gmail.com wrote: After more than half of a year's hard work, we have the mips64el port almost done. Now we have more than 7600 packages build successfully. The current build status can be found in http://vip.moonux.org/attempted/ Hey! - well done. That's quite some effort! Now I get a new board and give it 18GiB DDR3 memory and 1TB hardisk. Most important is that it is running a Debian Unstable, MIPS64EL. Nice. Can I ask which board that is? I have some boards reserved for me in Loongson that I am highly likely to purchase, and suspect (but would like to confirm) that they are the same board that you are using. I will also check on any further availability. If I can I will donate one/some of these for Debian as well. Anyone has need to port package(s) can apply a account. Please post me your ssh public key signed by a trust-able PGP key. I also working on make a rootfs to make it easy to install this port. Here we still have 2 problems: 1. I believe that it is time of use to talk about how to make this port to debian-ports.org. Anyone can help us? One of the issues will be hardware availability. If I can source the above boards (which it looks like I can), then I can help with that. Also, we are trying out the Loongson 2F mini-PC's, expanding their RAM to their maximum (which may only be 1Gbyte, but we hope 2Gbyte), and adding SSD's. If that works out then they are cheaper, available, and we can relatively easily build a small farm of those for (donated to) Debian I hope. 2. Which ISA to be used for this port when it is in debian-ports. Now we use mips64r2 with tune loongson3a. Should we downgrade ISA requirement to mips3 or mips64? Much though I would love to say go with MIPS64R2, I suspect for the main debian-ports.org upload that is not the best single choice. The Loongson 2F cores are MIPSIII I believe, as are some other platforms. I have a suspicion that some of the Broadcom chips for instance are MIPS32R1. I would suggest that we go with MIPSIII for the first mips64le upload, and then we can work on MIPS32R2 for the 'unofficial ports' to begin with. What do you think ? Thanks for all of the people helped me to make this project be realized: Eleanor Chen, Aron Xu, Anthony Fok, Fuxin Zhang from Lemote and lots of other people. You have my thanks as well :-) -- YunQiang Su Graham -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-mips-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAKcpw6WvRdF-9O7HKZSr_Vr_ZugF4W0VbTsd=cx-3=qawpz...@mail.gmail.com
Re: MIPS64EL port box is ready for use (Was: mips64el port build failed list)
On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 7:05 PM, Graham Whaley graham.wha...@gmail.com wrote: On 25 October 2013 17:22, YunQiang Su wzss...@gmail.com wrote: After more than half of a year's hard work, we have the mips64el port almost done. Now we have more than 7600 packages build successfully. The current build status can be found in http://vip.moonux.org/attempted/ Hey! - well done. That's quite some effort! Now I get a new board and give it 18GiB DDR3 memory and 1TB hardisk. Most important is that it is running a Debian Unstable, MIPS64EL. Nice. Can I ask which board that is? I have some boards reserved for me in Loongson that I am highly likely to purchase, and suspect (but would like to confirm) that they are the same board that you are using. I will also check on any further availability. If I can I will donate one/some of these for Debian as well. I prefer that you don't purchase this model of board: I can even not use the power button of chassis. Maybe that you can purchase a newer model. If IPMI is available, it will be much better. Anyone has need to port package(s) can apply a account. Please post me your ssh public key signed by a trust-able PGP key. I also working on make a rootfs to make it easy to install this port. Here we still have 2 problems: 1. I believe that it is time of use to talk about how to make this port to debian-ports.org. Anyone can help us? One of the issues will be hardware availability. If I can source the above boards (which it looks like I can), then I can help with that. Also, we are trying out the Loongson 2F mini-PC's, expanding their RAM to their maximum (which may only be 1Gbyte, but we hope 2Gbyte), and adding SSD's. If that works out then they are cheaper, available, and we can relatively easily build a small farm of those for (donated to) Debian I hope. Great news. Without DMA, my current WD blue disk has a speed about 50MB/s. 2. Which ISA to be used for this port when it is in debian-ports. Now we use mips64r2 with tune loongson3a. Should we downgrade ISA requirement to mips3 or mips64? Much though I would love to say go with MIPS64R2, I suspect for the main debian-ports.org upload that is not the best single choice. The Loongson 2F cores are MIPSIII I believe, as are some other platforms. I have a suspicion that some of the Broadcom chips for instance are MIPS32R1. I would suggest that we go with MIPSIII for the first mips64le upload, and then we can work on MIPS32R2 for the 'unofficial ports' to begin with. What do you think ? It is also my opinion. Use MIPSIII can make more people use it, and we can work with some of other unofficial ports. Thanks for all of the people helped me to make this project be realized: Eleanor Chen, Aron Xu, Anthony Fok, Fuxin Zhang from Lemote and lots of other people. You have my thanks as well :-) -- YunQiang Su Graham -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-mips-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAKcpw6WvRdF-9O7HKZSr_Vr_ZugF4W0VbTsd=cx-3=qawpz...@mail.gmail.com -- YunQiang Su -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/cakcpw6upmbad8xydoovmmslvs5h6mjtagt90bvqvyxyo1s-...@mail.gmail.com
Re: MIPS64EL port box is ready for use (Was: mips64el port build failed list)
On Sat, Oct 26, 2013 at 9:50 AM, Paul Wise p...@debian.org wrote: On Sat, Oct 26, 2013 at 12:22 AM, YunQiang Su wrote: After more than half of a year's hard work, we have the mips64el port almost done. Now we have more than 7600 packages build successfully. Congrats! Please create a page on the Debian wiki and or update the MIPSPort wiki page about this new architecture. You could also send patches to update the list of ports on the Debian website: https://wiki.debian.org/MIPSPort http://www.debian.org/ports/ http://www.debian.org/ports/mips/ http://www.debian.org/devel/website/ I have update the wiki pages and working on update WML. The current build status can be found in http://vip.moonux.org/attempted/ Would you like me to register mips64el.debian.net and CNAME it to vip.moonux.org or another domain? Now I get a new board and give it 18GiB DDR3 memory and 1TB hardisk. Most important is that it is running a Debian Unstable, MIPS64EL. Anyone has need to port package(s) can apply a account. Please post me your ssh public key signed by a trust-able PGP key. You should probably talk to DSA about getting it a debian.net domain and getting it listed in LDAP as a porter machine. https://db.debian.org/machines.cgi I have mailed to DSA, and am waiting for their response. I also working on make a rootfs to make it easy to install this port. In Debian we usually expect people to either run debootstrap or d-i to perform Debian installations since otherwise some files that should be different between installs will be identical. So please just point people at debootstrap instead. This is a problem with Debian that we currently have to work around once for every image creation tool; all of debian-live, cloud images, mips64el rootfs' etc need/have hacks to remove files like the dbus machine identifier or the openssh host keys from the system after debootstrap has run. The patch for loongson 3A has not be in upstream kernel. The D-I support is not possible for now. Live system may be a good option. Here we still have 2 problems: 1. I believe that it is time of use to talk about how to make this port to debian-ports.org. Anyone can help us? http://www.debian-ports.org/contacts I have heard rumours on IRC that debian-ports.org is having resource issues so adding new ports there might be hard. 2. Which ISA to be used for this port when it is in debian-ports. Now we use mips64r2 with tune loongson3a. Should we downgrade ISA requirement to mips3 or mips64? That is up to yourself and people who own or otherwise care about MIPS hardware. Take into consideration what hardware is available commercially now and will be in the future, as well as what hardware most people already own. I don't know much about GCC tuning but I expect that tuning for one specific machine isn't a good idea. For future the future steps, here are the requirements for adding mips64el to the archive and getting it officially included in a future Debian release: https://ftp-master.debian.org/archive-criteria.html http://release.debian.org/testing/arch_policy.html Thanks for you link. -- bye, pabs http://wiki.debian.org/PaulWise -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-mips-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/caktje6en85omcxtdu+3-zj3-k5rgppemiwg6vah1jpbe2sc...@mail.gmail.com -- YunQiang Su -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAKcpw6UVzKe5q8fO_02fVYOp04jxVW5y9=cxrn766e6onkf...@mail.gmail.com
Re: MIPS64EL port box is ready for use (Was: mips64el port build failed list)
On 29 October 2013 11:50, YunQiang Su wzss...@gmail.com wrote: [snip] Nice. Can I ask which board that is? I have some boards reserved for me in Loongson that I am highly likely to purchase, and suspect (but would like to confirm) that they are the same board that you are using. I will also check on any further availability. If I can I will donate one/some of these for Debian as well. I prefer that you don't purchase this model of board: I can even not use the power button of chassis. Maybe that you can purchase a newer model. Thanks for the heads up - but, which board is it? ;-) Do you have a model/reference number so I can check if the ones I am offered are the same as the one you have? I have found a few different ones via google. I would suspect you have athe 3A-RS780 board: http://www.loongson.cn/product_info.php?id=35 rather than the dual-SoC LS3-CCNUMA-DEV board http://www.loongson.cn/product_info.php?id=36 but maybe you have something completely different ? If IPMI is available, it will be much better. IPMI would be lovely, but I'm not sure we can locate a board right now with that - so, we may have to fix remote management with a remotely controlled power/reset box - I believe they exist (something else I've been looking into). If the DSA already use some then I'd be interested to hear which :-) [snip] Much though I would love to say go with MIPS64R2, I suspect for the main debian-ports.org upload that is not the best single choice. The Loongson 2F cores are MIPSIII I believe, as are some other platforms. I have a suspicion that some of the Broadcom chips for instance are MIPS32R1. I would suggest that we go with MIPSIII for the first mips64le upload, and then we can work on MIPS32R2 for the 'unofficial ports' to begin with. What do you think ? It is also my opinion. Use MIPSIII can make more people use it, and we can work with some of other unofficial ports. Hey, agreement! :-) Thanks for all of the people helped me to make this project be realized: Eleanor Chen, Aron Xu, Anthony Fok, Fuxin Zhang from Lemote and lots of other people. You have my thanks as well :-) -- YunQiang Su Graham -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-mips-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAKcpw6WvRdF-9O7HKZSr_Vr_ZugF4W0VbTsd=cx-3=qawpz...@mail.gmail.com -- YunQiang Su
Re: MIPS64EL port box is ready for use (Was: mips64el port build failed list)
On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 7:05 PM, Graham Whaley graham.wha...@gmail.com wrote: On 25 October 2013 17:22, YunQiang Su wzss...@gmail.com wrote: After more than half of a year's hard work, we have the mips64el port almost done. Now we have more than 7600 packages build successfully. The current build status can be found in http://vip.moonux.org/attempted/ Hey! - well done. That's quite some effort! Now I get a new board and give it 18GiB DDR3 memory and 1TB hardisk. Most important is that it is running a Debian Unstable, MIPS64EL. Nice. Can I ask which board that is? I have some boards reserved for me in Loongson that I am highly likely to purchase, and suspect (but would like to confirm) that they are the same board that you are using. I will also check on any further availability. If I can I will donate one/some of these for Debian as well. It is a development board donated by Lemote, and we were told that it was used for internal testing. Anyone has need to port package(s) can apply a account. Please post me your ssh public key signed by a trust-able PGP key. I also working on make a rootfs to make it easy to install this port. Here we still have 2 problems: 1. I believe that it is time of use to talk about how to make this port to debian-ports.org. Anyone can help us? One of the issues will be hardware availability. If I can source the above boards (which it looks like I can), then I can help with that. Also, we are trying out the Loongson 2F mini-PC's, expanding their RAM to their maximum (which may only be 1Gbyte, but we hope 2Gbyte), and adding SSD's. If that works out then they are cheaper, available, and we can relatively easily build a small farm of those for (donated to) Debian I hope. I don't think Loongson 2F mini-PC is a good choice since the limited amount of DIMMs and its limitation on using DDR2 memory only. It's not quite cost effective comparing with the 3A server boards. We've found that even the development board has competent performance for being a buildd. The board uses DDR3 memory add it performs much better than any other Loongson 2/3 products (Gdium Liberty, 2E/F mini-PC, 3A notebook) which uses DDR2 memory. 2. Which ISA to be used for this port when it is in debian-ports. Now we use mips64r2 with tune loongson3a. Should we downgrade ISA requirement to mips3 or mips64? Much though I would love to say go with MIPS64R2, I suspect for the main debian-ports.org upload that is not the best single choice. The Loongson 2F cores are MIPSIII I believe, as are some other platforms. I have a suspicion that some of the Broadcom chips for instance are MIPS32R1. I would suggest that we go with MIPSIII for the first mips64le upload, and then we can work on MIPS32R2 for the 'unofficial ports' to begin with. What do you think ? It would require much more resource to spend on making more ports, this means more build machines and man power, which is not sufficient at mean time. Thanks for all of the people helped me to make this project be realized: Eleanor Chen, Aron Xu, Anthony Fok, Fuxin Zhang from Lemote and lots of other people. You have my thanks as well :-) -- YunQiang Su Graham -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-mips-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAKcpw6WvRdF-9O7HKZSr_Vr_ZugF4W0VbTsd=cx-3=qawpz...@mail.gmail.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAMr=8w6xasskt0neb2y2zmyutkc3sdeza0qe78pcwh7dpcr...@mail.gmail.com
Re: MIPS64EL port box is ready for use (Was: mips64el port build failed list)
On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 8:13 PM, Graham Whaley graham.wha...@gmail.com wrote: On 29 October 2013 11:50, YunQiang Su wzss...@gmail.com wrote: [snip] Nice. Can I ask which board that is? I have some boards reserved for me in Loongson that I am highly likely to purchase, and suspect (but would like to confirm) that they are the same board that you are using. I will also check on any further availability. If I can I will donate one/some of these for Debian as well. I prefer that you don't purchase this model of board: I can even not use the power button of chassis. Maybe that you can purchase a newer model. Thanks for the heads up - but, which board is it? ;-) Do you have a model/reference number so I can check if the ones I am offered are the same as the one you have? I have found a few different ones via google. I would suspect you have athe 3A-RS780 board: http://www.loongson.cn/product_info.php?id=35 rather than the dual-SoC LS3-CCNUMA-DEV board http://www.loongson.cn/product_info.php?id=36 but maybe you have something completely different ? What we are running isn't any of them, and the 2-way server board looks promising. If IPMI is available, it will be much better. IPMI would be lovely, but I'm not sure we can locate a board right now with that - so, we may have to fix remote management with a remotely controlled power/reset box - I believe they exist (something else I've been looking into). If the DSA already use some then I'd be interested to hear which :-) I don't know if IPMI is available, but there is certain kind of PCI device that can help with remotely power on/off the machine controlled by SMS. I'm curious if DSA think IPMI is mandatory for buildd and porterbox. [snip] Much though I would love to say go with MIPS64R2, I suspect for the main debian-ports.org upload that is not the best single choice. The Loongson 2F cores are MIPSIII I believe, as are some other platforms. I have a suspicion that some of the Broadcom chips for instance are MIPS32R1. I would suggest that we go with MIPSIII for the first mips64le upload, and then we can work on MIPS32R2 for the 'unofficial ports' to begin with. What do you think ? It is also my opinion. Use MIPSIII can make more people use it, and we can work with some of other unofficial ports. Hey, agreement! :-) Thanks for all of the people helped me to make this project be realized: Eleanor Chen, Aron Xu, Anthony Fok, Fuxin Zhang from Lemote and lots of other people. You have my thanks as well :-) -- YunQiang Su Graham -- Regards, Aron Xu -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAMr=8w7-zd77fdzw1zuxmeacapfvcd-u0fyzqzo6+0c-bqd...@mail.gmail.com
Re: MIPS64EL port box is ready for use (Was: mips64el port build failed list)
On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 10:50 PM, Graham Whaley graham.wha...@gmail.com wrote: On 29 October 2013 13:34, Aron Xu a...@debian.org wrote: It would require much more resource to spend on making more ports, this means more build machines and man power, which is not sufficient at mean time. True. I hopefully have some resource coming online, and I may also have some in-house build hardware available to help with any unofficial ports. We will just have to be pragmatic, and it will take time... Let's pull Fuxin Zhang in and ask him about it. @Fuxin: Is there a server available to by which support IPMI? How about its precise? Or is their any something else which is suitable for build machine? Imgtec may purchase some. Graham -- YunQiang Su -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAKcpw6Vm+6t9+TVJ9sZn00Hp8d30AANdye8z91=UF=y9f-c...@mail.gmail.com
Re: MIPS64EL port box is ready for use (Was: mips64el port build failed list)
On 29 October 2013 13:40, Aron Xu happyaron...@gmail.com wrote: What we are running isn't any of them, and the 2-way server board looks promising. Thanks both. OK, so I've no details from Loongson about the boards they have for me yet either - I suspect it may be the same as your board. What we need to consider here is also board price and availability. We can buy 2f mini-PCs, relatively cheap and easily. If they satisfy a need then they may be (a mid-term/interim) solution to shortage of hardware right now. If I find we can source the 3A DDR3 motherboards easily them yippee, but right now that is less clear than sourcing the 2F mini-PC's. I don't know if IPMI is available, but there is certain kind of PCI device that can help with remotely power on/off the machine controlled by SMS. I'm curious if DSA think IPMI is mandatory for buildd and porterbox. I think DSA would like to make it a requirement for the future, but they are pragmatic, and right now many boxes (not just MIPS) do not have good remote power/reset control. There are external boxes that can do this though, and we are investigating them already for internal use, and I'll share any useful findings. -- Regards, Aron Xu thanks guys - I'll keep you posted with my progress as well. Graham
Re: MIPS64EL port box is ready for use (Was: mips64el port build failed list)
On 29 October 2013 13:34, Aron Xu a...@debian.org wrote: It would require much more resource to spend on making more ports, this means more build machines and man power, which is not sufficient at mean time. True. I hopefully have some resource coming online, and I may also have some in-house build hardware available to help with any unofficial ports. We will just have to be pragmatic, and it will take time... Graham
Re: MIPS64EL port box is ready for use
]] Aron Xu IPMI would be lovely, but I'm not sure we can locate a board right now with that - so, we may have to fix remote management with a remotely controlled power/reset box - I believe they exist (something else I've been looking into). If the DSA already use some then I'd be interested to hear which :-) I don't know if IPMI is available, but there is certain kind of PCI device that can help with remotely power on/off the machine controlled by SMS. I'm curious if DSA think IPMI is mandatory for buildd and porterbox. We would very much like «reasonable remote access». Whether that's IPMI onto a BMC or serial console which can interact with the boot loader and a network-enabled power strip is less important. Of course, having nice features like mounting of ISOs over HTTP and such is a nice bonus, but not a requirement. We haven't really talked about how and when it should be enforced, but I'm reluctant to take on more porter hardware that lacks reasonable remote management. -- Tollef Fog Heen (speaking on behalf of himself, but with a DSA hat) UNIX is user friendly, it's just picky about who its friends are -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/m2fvrkf16y@rahvafeir.err.no
Re: MIPS64EL port box is ready for use
Hi, Graham == Graham Whaley graham.wha...@gmail.com writes: What we need to consider here is also board price and availability. We can buy 2f mini-PCs, relatively cheap and easily. If they satisfy a need then they may be (a mid-term/interim) solution to shortage of hardware right now. If I find we can source the 3A DDR3 motherboards easily them yippee, but right now that is less clear than sourcing the 2F mini-PC's. somewhat related information: just found out that there is (seems to be) a Loongson 3A based mini-PC: http://www.lemote.com/products/computer/fulong/348.html Price point seems to be RMB 3999, if I understand this shop's page correctly: http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=a1z10.1.w4004-2611770768.2.DQacwZid=22206048695 Not sure how stable/usable that hardware would be, tough. I currently consider getting one to replace my 2f mini-PC. It may only come with a single-core version of the 3A (description says LoongSon2G/3A, not sure what that means). cheers, David -- GnuPG public key: http://dvdkhlng.users.sourceforge.net/dk2.gpg Fingerprint: B63B 6AF2 4EEB F033 46F7 7F1D 935E 6F08 E457 205F pgp4xQlQWK66i.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: MIPS64EL port box is ready for use
On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 6:15 PM, Tollef Fog Heen tfh...@err.no wrote: ]] Aron Xu IPMI would be lovely, but I'm not sure we can locate a board right now with that - so, we may have to fix remote management with a remotely controlled power/reset box - I believe they exist (something else I've been looking into). If the DSA already use some then I'd be interested to hear which :-) I don't know if IPMI is available, but there is certain kind of PCI device that can help with remotely power on/off the machine controlled by SMS. I'm curious if DSA think IPMI is mandatory for buildd and porterbox. We would very much like «reasonable remote access». Whether that's IPMI onto a BMC or serial console which can interact with the boot loader and a network-enabled power strip is less important. Of course, having nice features like mounting of ISOs over HTTP and such is a nice bonus, but not a requirement. We haven't really talked about how and when it should be enforced, but I'm reluctant to take on more porter hardware that lacks reasonable remote management. I thinlk we could hack a low cost arm like a cubiebox to do that. They are plenty of gpio available and reseting power is only matter or putting on/off a relay... Bonus point it will run debian :) Bastien -- Tollef Fog Heen (speaking on behalf of himself, but with a DSA hat) UNIX is user friendly, it's just picky about who its friends are -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/m2fvrkf16y@rahvafeir.err.no -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/cae2spabklsotzisu+6pw4desx5u5t9db2xdcsamfdvj0w6o...@mail.gmail.com
Re: MIPS64EL port box is ready for use
On Wed, Oct 30, 2013 at 1:15 AM, Tollef Fog Heen tfh...@err.no wrote: ]] Aron Xu IPMI would be lovely, but I'm not sure we can locate a board right now with that - so, we may have to fix remote management with a remotely controlled power/reset box - I believe they exist (something else I've been looking into). If the DSA already use some then I'd be interested to hear which :-) I don't know if IPMI is available, but there is certain kind of PCI device that can help with remotely power on/off the machine controlled by SMS. I'm curious if DSA think IPMI is mandatory for buildd and porterbox. We would very much like «reasonable remote access». Whether that's IPMI onto a BMC or serial console which can interact with the boot loader and a network-enabled power strip is less important. Of course, having nice features like mounting of ISOs over HTTP and such is a nice bonus, but not a requirement. We haven't really talked about how and when it should be enforced, but I'm reluctant to take on more porter hardware that lacks reasonable remote management. If we can find a way of letting Loongson 3A board supports remote console then you are able to re-install the system because PMON have networking support and can boot the system from tftp. Power control can be done by hacking the on-board power button pins. Thanks, Aron Xu -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAMr=8w5zqqkac0k1j9wfmbff5ybq8rc-n7fjq1rx0dqtjhd...@mail.gmail.com
Re: MIPS64EL port box is ready for use
On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 7:35 PM, Aron Xu a...@debian.org wrote: On Wed, Oct 30, 2013 at 1:15 AM, Tollef Fog Heen tfh...@err.no wrote: ]] Aron Xu IPMI would be lovely, but I'm not sure we can locate a board right now with that - so, we may have to fix remote management with a remotely controlled power/reset box - I believe they exist (something else I've been looking into). If the DSA already use some then I'd be interested to hear which :-) I don't know if IPMI is available, but there is certain kind of PCI device that can help with remotely power on/off the machine controlled by SMS. I'm curious if DSA think IPMI is mandatory for buildd and porterbox. We would very much like «reasonable remote access». Whether that's IPMI onto a BMC or serial console which can interact with the boot loader and a network-enabled power strip is less important. Of course, having nice features like mounting of ISOs over HTTP and such is a nice bonus, but not a requirement. We haven't really talked about how and when it should be enforced, but I'm reluctant to take on more porter hardware that lacks reasonable remote management. If we can find a way of letting Loongson 3A board supports remote console then you are able to re-install the system because PMON have networking support and can boot the system from tftp. Power control can be done by hacking the on-board power button pins. It could be done trivally from a chip arm card. Using socat from a tty to a ssh tunnel see http://www.dest-unreach.org/socat/doc/socat-ttyovertcp.txt Thanks, Aron Xu -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/camr8w5zqqkac0k1j9wfmbff5ybq8rc-n7fjq1rx0dqtjhd...@mail.gmail.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/cae2spayt8d49dlzcgggup67dbb4xjbfhgmdblnwhomjs9ij...@mail.gmail.com
Re: MIPS64EL port box is ready for use
On Wed, Oct 30, 2013 at 2:40 AM, Bastien ROUCARIES roucaries.bast...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 7:35 PM, Aron Xu a...@debian.org wrote: On Wed, Oct 30, 2013 at 1:15 AM, Tollef Fog Heen tfh...@err.no wrote: ]] Aron Xu IPMI would be lovely, but I'm not sure we can locate a board right now with that - so, we may have to fix remote management with a remotely controlled power/reset box - I believe they exist (something else I've been looking into). If the DSA already use some then I'd be interested to hear which :-) I don't know if IPMI is available, but there is certain kind of PCI device that can help with remotely power on/off the machine controlled by SMS. I'm curious if DSA think IPMI is mandatory for buildd and porterbox. We would very much like «reasonable remote access». Whether that's IPMI onto a BMC or serial console which can interact with the boot loader and a network-enabled power strip is less important. Of course, having nice features like mounting of ISOs over HTTP and such is a nice bonus, but not a requirement. We haven't really talked about how and when it should be enforced, but I'm reluctant to take on more porter hardware that lacks reasonable remote management. If we can find a way of letting Loongson 3A board supports remote console then you are able to re-install the system because PMON have networking support and can boot the system from tftp. Power control can be done by hacking the on-board power button pins. It could be done trivally from a chip arm card. Using socat from a tty to a ssh tunnel see http://www.dest-unreach.org/socat/doc/socat-ttyovertcp.txt Looks really cool, and I think it's doable to support power control like what you've suggested already. Cheers, Aron Xu -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAMr=8w6R+x2+bQ5JWao_fzynnjHt4Nf=rng+edfpjrk01l+...@mail.gmail.com
Re: MIPS64EL port box is ready for use
On Wed, Oct 30, 2013 at 3:11 AM, Bastien ROUCARIES roucaries.bast...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 7:56 PM, Aron Xu a...@debian.org wrote: On Wed, Oct 30, 2013 at 2:40 AM, Bastien ROUCARIES roucaries.bast...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 7:35 PM, Aron Xu a...@debian.org wrote: On Wed, Oct 30, 2013 at 1:15 AM, Tollef Fog Heen tfh...@err.no wrote: ]] Aron Xu IPMI would be lovely, but I'm not sure we can locate a board right now with that - so, we may have to fix remote management with a remotely controlled power/reset box - I believe they exist (something else I've been looking into). If the DSA already use some then I'd be interested to hear which :-) I don't know if IPMI is available, but there is certain kind of PCI device that can help with remotely power on/off the machine controlled by SMS. I'm curious if DSA think IPMI is mandatory for buildd and porterbox. We would very much like «reasonable remote access». Whether that's IPMI onto a BMC or serial console which can interact with the boot loader and a network-enabled power strip is less important. Of course, having nice features like mounting of ISOs over HTTP and such is a nice bonus, but not a requirement. We haven't really talked about how and when it should be enforced, but I'm reluctant to take on more porter hardware that lacks reasonable remote management. If we can find a way of letting Loongson 3A board supports remote console then you are able to re-install the system because PMON have networking support and can boot the system from tftp. Power control can be done by hacking the on-board power button pins. It could be done trivally from a chip arm card. Using socat from a tty to a ssh tunnel see http://www.dest-unreach.org/socat/doc/socat-ttyovertcp.txt Looks really cool, and I think it's doable to support power control like what you've suggested already. What are the safety specification appliable by DSA ? Main tension ? Does the board have a power brick ? I'm not sure about DSA's opinion, and here is the information about the board. It is an almost standard ITX one, and we've put it in an ITX chassis retired from a ~2006 Lenovo PC, using its power supply. The board has some pins for connecting power bottons (Power and Reset), though we are not using it because it looks not fit to the connector of the chassis. There is a dedicate button on the board to power on/off the machine as well. We used the on board button and no hard reset needed/conducted since successful installation of hardware. The mentioned ITX machine (6100 model) available for purchase is just a complete PC box. Thanks, Aron Xu -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAMr=8w72n5gqjuzez8tgw+_r+z0e6ur7kvtt0vv5m3fogtx...@mail.gmail.com
Re: MIPS64EL port box is ready for use
On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 7:56 PM, Aron Xu a...@debian.org wrote: On Wed, Oct 30, 2013 at 2:40 AM, Bastien ROUCARIES roucaries.bast...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 7:35 PM, Aron Xu a...@debian.org wrote: On Wed, Oct 30, 2013 at 1:15 AM, Tollef Fog Heen tfh...@err.no wrote: ]] Aron Xu IPMI would be lovely, but I'm not sure we can locate a board right now with that - so, we may have to fix remote management with a remotely controlled power/reset box - I believe they exist (something else I've been looking into). If the DSA already use some then I'd be interested to hear which :-) I don't know if IPMI is available, but there is certain kind of PCI device that can help with remotely power on/off the machine controlled by SMS. I'm curious if DSA think IPMI is mandatory for buildd and porterbox. We would very much like «reasonable remote access». Whether that's IPMI onto a BMC or serial console which can interact with the boot loader and a network-enabled power strip is less important. Of course, having nice features like mounting of ISOs over HTTP and such is a nice bonus, but not a requirement. We haven't really talked about how and when it should be enforced, but I'm reluctant to take on more porter hardware that lacks reasonable remote management. If we can find a way of letting Loongson 3A board supports remote console then you are able to re-install the system because PMON have networking support and can boot the system from tftp. Power control can be done by hacking the on-board power button pins. It could be done trivally from a chip arm card. Using socat from a tty to a ssh tunnel see http://www.dest-unreach.org/socat/doc/socat-ttyovertcp.txt Looks really cool, and I think it's doable to support power control like what you've suggested already. What are the safety specification appliable by DSA ? Main tension ? Does the board have a power brick ? Bastien Cheers, Aron Xu -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/cae2spabpc2o9+f55vot9vrnmuowmn0jgkkt7zrt9vvwmhl-...@mail.gmail.com
Re: MIPS64EL port box is ready for use
On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 8:25 PM, Aron Xu a...@debian.org wrote: On Wed, Oct 30, 2013 at 3:11 AM, Bastien ROUCARIES roucaries.bast...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 7:56 PM, Aron Xu a...@debian.org wrote: On Wed, Oct 30, 2013 at 2:40 AM, Bastien ROUCARIES roucaries.bast...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 7:35 PM, Aron Xu a...@debian.org wrote: On Wed, Oct 30, 2013 at 1:15 AM, Tollef Fog Heen tfh...@err.no wrote: ]] Aron Xu IPMI would be lovely, but I'm not sure we can locate a board right now with that - so, we may have to fix remote management with a remotely controlled power/reset box - I believe they exist (something else I've been looking into). If the DSA already use some then I'd be interested to hear which :-) I don't know if IPMI is available, but there is certain kind of PCI device that can help with remotely power on/off the machine controlled by SMS. I'm curious if DSA think IPMI is mandatory for buildd and porterbox. We would very much like «reasonable remote access». Whether that's IPMI onto a BMC or serial console which can interact with the boot loader and a network-enabled power strip is less important. Of course, having nice features like mounting of ISOs over HTTP and such is a nice bonus, but not a requirement. We haven't really talked about how and when it should be enforced, but I'm reluctant to take on more porter hardware that lacks reasonable remote management. If we can find a way of letting Loongson 3A board supports remote console then you are able to re-install the system because PMON have networking support and can boot the system from tftp. Power control can be done by hacking the on-board power button pins. It could be done trivally from a chip arm card. Using socat from a tty to a ssh tunnel see http://www.dest-unreach.org/socat/doc/socat-ttyovertcp.txt Looks really cool, and I think it's doable to support power control like what you've suggested already. What are the safety specification appliable by DSA ? Main tension ? Does the board have a power brick ? I'm not sure about DSA's opinion, and here is the information about the board. It is an almost standard ITX one, and we've put it in an ITX chassis retired from a ~2006 Lenovo PC, using its power supply. The board has some pins for connecting power bottons (Power and Reset), though we are not using it because it looks not fit to the connector of the chassis. There is a dedicate button on the board to power on/off the machine as well. We used the on board button and no hard reset needed/conducted since successful installation of hardware. The mentioned ITX machine (6100 model) available for purchase is just a complete PC box. The mini itx does not specify a power connector So if you use an atx power control do something like this http://www.mupuf.org/blog/2013/05/11/wtrpm-a-web-based-wt-suite-to-power-up-slash-down-your-computers/ Thanks, Aron Xu -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAE2SPAZ�ek9ml4ygcsxlxzhfu_qq98y9o5gkeftwnpjne...@mail.gmail.com
Re: MIPS64EL port box is ready for use
On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 8:46 PM, Bastien ROUCARIES roucaries.bast...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 8:25 PM, Aron Xu a...@debian.org wrote: On Wed, Oct 30, 2013 at 3:11 AM, Bastien ROUCARIES roucaries.bast...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 7:56 PM, Aron Xu a...@debian.org wrote: On Wed, Oct 30, 2013 at 2:40 AM, Bastien ROUCARIES roucaries.bast...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 7:35 PM, Aron Xu a...@debian.org wrote: On Wed, Oct 30, 2013 at 1:15 AM, Tollef Fog Heen tfh...@err.no wrote: ]] Aron Xu IPMI would be lovely, but I'm not sure we can locate a board right now with that - so, we may have to fix remote management with a remotely controlled power/reset box - I believe they exist (something else I've been looking into). If the DSA already use some then I'd be interested to hear which :-) I don't know if IPMI is available, but there is certain kind of PCI device that can help with remotely power on/off the machine controlled by SMS. I'm curious if DSA think IPMI is mandatory for buildd and porterbox. We would very much like «reasonable remote access». Whether that's IPMI onto a BMC or serial console which can interact with the boot loader and a network-enabled power strip is less important. Of course, having nice features like mounting of ISOs over HTTP and such is a nice bonus, but not a requirement. We haven't really talked about how and when it should be enforced, but I'm reluctant to take on more porter hardware that lacks reasonable remote management. If we can find a way of letting Loongson 3A board supports remote console then you are able to re-install the system because PMON have networking support and can boot the system from tftp. Power control can be done by hacking the on-board power button pins. It could be done trivally from a chip arm card. Using socat from a tty to a ssh tunnel see http://www.dest-unreach.org/socat/doc/socat-ttyovertcp.txt Looks really cool, and I think it's doable to support power control like what you've suggested already. What are the safety specification appliable by DSA ? Main tension ? Does the board have a power brick ? I'm not sure about DSA's opinion, and here is the information about the board. It is an almost standard ITX one, and we've put it in an ITX chassis retired from a ~2006 Lenovo PC, using its power supply. The board has some pins for connecting power bottons (Power and Reset), though we are not using it because it looks not fit to the connector of the chassis. There is a dedicate button on the board to power on/off the machine as well. We used the on board button and no hard reset needed/conducted since successful installation of hardware. The mentioned ITX machine (6100 model) available for purchase is just a complete PC box. The mini itx does not specify a power connector So if you use an atx power control do something like this http://www.mupuf.org/blog/2013/05/11/wtrpm-a-web-based-wt-suite-to-power-up-slash-down-your-computers/ Note that I do not recommand to do that this guy has done due to galvanic isolation problem. You could fry your board with something like this! Always use optocoupled MOS, not directly MOSFET Thanks, Aron Xu -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAE2SPAbsCCniEmq2p4eDoNGGrUkGFDeY2JSgKh=qwdzbrki...@mail.gmail.com
MIPS64EL port box is ready for use (Was: mips64el port build failed list)
After more than half of a year's hard work, we have the mips64el port almost done. Now we have more than 7600 packages build successfully. The current build status can be found in http://vip.moonux.org/attempted/ Now I get a new board and give it 18GiB DDR3 memory and 1TB hardisk. Most important is that it is running a Debian Unstable, MIPS64EL. Anyone has need to port package(s) can apply a account. Please post me your ssh public key signed by a trust-able PGP key. I also working on make a rootfs to make it easy to install this port. Here we still have 2 problems: 1. I believe that it is time of use to talk about how to make this port to debian-ports.org. Anyone can help us? 2. Which ISA to be used for this port when it is in debian-ports. Now we use mips64r2 with tune loongson3a. Should we downgrade ISA requirement to mips3 or mips64? Thanks for all of the people helped me to make this project be realized: Eleanor Chen, Aron Xu, Anthony Fok, Fuxin Zhang from Lemote and lots of other people. -- YunQiang Su -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAKcpw6WvRdF-9O7HKZSr_Vr_ZugF4W0VbTsd=cx-3=qawpz...@mail.gmail.com
Re: MIPS64EL port box is ready for use (Was: mips64el port build failed list)
On Sat, Oct 26, 2013 at 12:22 AM, YunQiang Su wrote: After more than half of a year's hard work, we have the mips64el port almost done. Now we have more than 7600 packages build successfully. Congrats! Please create a page on the Debian wiki and or update the MIPSPort wiki page about this new architecture. You could also send patches to update the list of ports on the Debian website: https://wiki.debian.org/MIPSPort http://www.debian.org/ports/ http://www.debian.org/ports/mips/ http://www.debian.org/devel/website/ The current build status can be found in http://vip.moonux.org/attempted/ Would you like me to register mips64el.debian.net and CNAME it to vip.moonux.org or another domain? Now I get a new board and give it 18GiB DDR3 memory and 1TB hardisk. Most important is that it is running a Debian Unstable, MIPS64EL. Anyone has need to port package(s) can apply a account. Please post me your ssh public key signed by a trust-able PGP key. You should probably talk to DSA about getting it a debian.net domain and getting it listed in LDAP as a porter machine. https://db.debian.org/machines.cgi I also working on make a rootfs to make it easy to install this port. In Debian we usually expect people to either run debootstrap or d-i to perform Debian installations since otherwise some files that should be different between installs will be identical. So please just point people at debootstrap instead. This is a problem with Debian that we currently have to work around once for every image creation tool; all of debian-live, cloud images, mips64el rootfs' etc need/have hacks to remove files like the dbus machine identifier or the openssh host keys from the system after debootstrap has run. Here we still have 2 problems: 1. I believe that it is time of use to talk about how to make this port to debian-ports.org. Anyone can help us? http://www.debian-ports.org/contacts I have heard rumours on IRC that debian-ports.org is having resource issues so adding new ports there might be hard. 2. Which ISA to be used for this port when it is in debian-ports. Now we use mips64r2 with tune loongson3a. Should we downgrade ISA requirement to mips3 or mips64? That is up to yourself and people who own or otherwise care about MIPS hardware. Take into consideration what hardware is available commercially now and will be in the future, as well as what hardware most people already own. I don't know much about GCC tuning but I expect that tuning for one specific machine isn't a good idea. For future the future steps, here are the requirements for adding mips64el to the archive and getting it officially included in a future Debian release: https://ftp-master.debian.org/archive-criteria.html http://release.debian.org/testing/arch_policy.html -- bye, pabs http://wiki.debian.org/PaulWise -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/caktje6en85omcxtdu+3-zj3-k5rgppemiwg6vah1jpbe2sc...@mail.gmail.com