Re: Making the libc5-libc6 upgrade to be safe (was: netstd...)
'Santiago Vila wrote:' > >Please, tell me how much harm does to add a Pre-Depends field on libc6, >ncurses3.4 and libreadlineg2 for netstd. I can tell you how much >inconvenience does *not* to add it and then we can make a comparison >between those two inconveniences. Too much, IMHO. -- Christopher J. Fearnley | Linux/Internet Consulting [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Design Science Revolutionary http://www.netaxs.com/~cjf | Explorer in Universe ftp://ftp.netaxs.com/people/cjf | "Dare to be Naïve" -- Bucky Fuller -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Making the libc5-libc6 upgrade to be safe (was: netstd...)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- On Fri, 17 Apr 1998, Peter Tobias wrote: > On Apr 16, Santiago Vila wrote: > > Summary: In a bo system, I managed to upgrade netstd without installing > > libreadlineg2 first and the simple ftp client stopped working. This is a > > really bad situation I really do not desire to anybody. > > > > This should not have happened if netstd would have a Pre-Depends line on > > libreadlineg2 (and libc6 & ncurses also, probably). > > I think you got me wrong on this issue. About one month ago I asked > on debian-devel what the other debian developers think about it. As a > result I changed netstd to make sure that the ftp client will work. > Due to an ext2fs problem I had to restore the netstd sources from tape > and I forgot to re-apply this patch along with two other patches from > Topi Miettinen to the netstd sources. This has been fixed with netstd > 3.05. Well, sorry, I didn't know you fixed it because you didn't close the bug. Please, close the bug this time :-) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: 2.6.3ia Charset: latin1 iQCVAgUBNTjBmyqK7IlOjMLFAQGPOAQAtTXjW0k5Y+uxYLtzgT2vF4DQivzPyRbf szXAPh2B1XBDDmOqHgCtJp5M5zownvVwodOVjCujZXp/NTfsV/BEXAUlrEk7BNOz 5zdCYXHQtot+sm96ktje3BRT55nsSs8WI2AbAqePQ76lt74jlik2WzPPzH5AaSaa IX7lvxozucM= =kauN -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Making the libc5-libc6 upgrade to be safe (was: netstd...)
On Apr 16, Santiago Vila wrote: > Summary: In a bo system, I managed to upgrade netstd without installing > libreadlineg2 first and the simple ftp client stopped working. This is a > really bad situation I really do not desire to anybody. > > This should not have happened if netstd would have a Pre-Depends line on > libreadlineg2 (and libc6 & ncurses also, probably). I think you got me wrong on this issue. About one month ago I asked on debian-devel what the other debian developers think about it. As a result I changed netstd to make sure that the ftp client will work. Due to an ext2fs problem I had to restore the netstd sources from tape and I forgot to re-apply this patch along with two other patches from Topi Miettinen to the netstd sources. This has been fixed with netstd 3.05. Thanks, Peter -- Peter Tobias <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> PGP ID EFAA400D, fingerprint = 06 89 EB 2E 01 7C B4 02 04 62 89 6C 2F DD F1 3C -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Making the libc5-libc6 upgrade to be safe (was: netstd...)
On Thu, 16 Apr 1998, Santiago Vila wrote: > Please, tell me how much harm does to add a Pre-Depends field on libc6, > ncurses3.4 and libreadlineg2 for netstd. I can tell you how much > inconvenience does *not* to add it and then we can make a comparison > between those two inconveniences. I've had trouble with this very problem in November when upgrading one of my machines to hamm (fortunatly, it was not 100kms away ;). Needless to say I'm in favor of adding this pre-dependency. (pre-)dependencies are used so it avoids your system to break when you upgrade it, and in this case the upgrade fails, so a pre-dependence is definatly needed. Cordialement, -- - Vincent RENARDIAS [EMAIL PROTECTED],pipo.com,debian.org} - - Debian/GNU Linux: Pipo:WAW: - - http://www.fr.debian.orghttp://www.pipo.com http://www.waw.com - --- - "La fonctionnalite Son Visuel vous delivre des avertissements visuels." - - [Message durant l'installation de Windows95]:wq -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Making the libc5-libc6 upgrade to be safe (was: netstd...)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- [ This was: Bug#13849: netstd should predepend on libreadlineg2 ] [ I would like to appeal to the technical comittee here. Unfortunately the technical comittee does not exist yet and all we have so far is debian-devel. Therefore we will have to discuss it here again ]. Summary: In a bo system, I managed to upgrade netstd without installing libreadlineg2 first and the simple ftp client stopped working. This is a really bad situation I really do not desire to anybody. This should not have happened if netstd would have a Pre-Depends line on libreadlineg2 (and libc6 & ncurses also, probably). * On a system which is remotely administered, if for any reason the usual installing method fails (dselect and libnet-perl and such), it is very important to have an alternate method to fix the problem (as usual in Unix, you may do things in several ways). * The Murphy's law says that if dselect/libnet-perl is the *only* method that is always guaranteed to work and because of that we decide that no Pre-Depends is needed for netstd, then it is 100% sure that a lot of users (it happened to me!) will find that dselect/libnet-perl fails and will not find an alternate method to fix the problem. Probably the system is also 100Km away from where you are. * The total set of Pre-Depends targets is small (most Pre-Depends are on libc6, ncurses3.4). bash already Pre-Depends on libreadlineg2. Adding one more Pre-Depends on libreadlineg2 for netstd would not make a great harm. Not adding a Pre-Depends on libreadlineg2 *could* actually make a great harm. * netstd is not essential, not even required, but for people that really have netstd installed, netstd is *very* important. In short I think that the addition of this simple Pre-Depends field will make the libc5 to lib6 upgrade *much* more robust. Perhaps people doing the upgrade by using the mini-howto or autoup.sh will not notice it (no harm with these extra Pre-Depends), but people doing the upgrade by using dselect will certainly notice it (possible harm, which we can avoid, and therefore should avoid). So I repeat the question I formulated one month ago: Please, tell me how much harm does to add a Pre-Depends field on libc6, ncurses3.4 and libreadlineg2 for netstd. I can tell you how much inconvenience does *not* to add it and then we can make a comparison between those two inconveniences. Thanks. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: 2.6.3ia Charset: latin1 iQCVAgUBNTZtvyqK7IlOjMLFAQH4owP+If+vI6TuUHt5q4mBG7gJWiHvVobl2zfi ufW7W6Nrcdo8RdLfOXBt/l1SqhmlxbkiK3yn4pEkR5jU3YTtoEy7SLKAbdVg+f/Y Mb2RBCwzzXhXV06wavi1HAjzo0OJkZ1KQRIKRTqqcD4grGMBPC9My0nRYoppIsST 3FP2cOx4624= =lYLS -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
