Re: Netscape under unstable...

1999-05-22 Thread David Starner
Branden Robinson wrote:
> > > Alternatively, if egcs 2.95 is out and packaged before I release -5
> > > (probably next week), that may have the fix.
> > Not likely. GCC 2.95 (formerly EGCS 1.2) just made a stable branch and
> > is complete code freeze. The first of July is the target release date
> > (all Debian users know, of course, that it will be released excatly on
> > that date.)
> 
> Well, there's no point freezing if you're not going to fix SOME bugs,
> otherwise you might as well release the day you freeze.  The question is
> whether this optimization error is considered critical enough to fix before
> release.  Having never written an LALR parser, let alone a code generator,
> I wouldn't presume to dictate standards of bug severity to the GCC
> developers.

I didn't mean that the bug wasn't fixed, just that it wasn't likely to
be packaged before next week. I assume the bug has been reported? It's
been a long time since egcs 1.1 and many bugs were only fixed in the
mainline sources, so it may have been fixed for a while. If you're
interested enough, the egcs-ss packages in experimental should show you
whether it's been fixed in the most recent version.



Re: Netscape under unstable...

1999-05-22 Thread Jonas Munsin
On Thu, May 20, 1999 at 02:17:09PM -0700, Tom Lear wrote:
> Is it just me or is netscape crashing more recently?  Every machine that I
> have following unstable is having problems with netscape crashing, but the
> machines following stable work fine.

I recently upgraded to unstable completely from a mixed stable/unstable
machine, and noticed the same thing. At the same time I installed unstable from
scratch on another machine and RH6.0 on a third machine. After a lot of
swearing over netcape crashing all the time on all of them, I noticed they were
all running libc6 variants. I downloaded the libc6 version of netscape 4.6 when
it was released, it also crashed a lot. Then I tried the libc5 version of 4.6,
and no more crashes (well, at least not any more than the version found in
stable).


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Re: Netscape under unstable...

1999-05-22 Thread Branden Robinson
On Thu, May 20, 1999 at 05:40:44PM -0500, David Starner wrote:
> Branden Robinson wrote:
> > There is apparently an egcs optimization bug that miscompiles a few object
> > files that are included in the X libraries. 
> Could you just compile those object files with optimization off?

Yes, that is the idea.  The trick is figuring out exactly what kludge to
use to get that to happen.  The X makefiles are generated from Imakefiles.
And I don't think there is an Imakefile option like this:

ObjectsForWhichToTurnOptimizationOffBecauseYourCompilerIsBuggy =

I'm hoping to do something less ugly (and less time-consuming) than the Red
Hat method but I may not succeed.

> > Alternatively, if egcs 2.95 is out and packaged before I release -5
> > (probably next week), that may have the fix.
> Not likely. GCC 2.95 (formerly EGCS 1.2) just made a stable branch and
> is complete code freeze. The first of July is the target release date
> (all Debian users know, of course, that it will be released excatly on
> that date.)

Well, there's no point freezing if you're not going to fix SOME bugs,
otherwise you might as well release the day you freeze.  The question is
whether this optimization error is considered critical enough to fix before
release.  Having never written an LALR parser, let alone a code generator,
I wouldn't presume to dictate standards of bug severity to the GCC
developers.

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Re: Netscape under unstable...

1999-05-21 Thread Per Lundberg
Tom Lear <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> Is it just me or is netscape crashing more recently?  Every machine that I
> have following unstable is having problems with netscape crashing, but the
> machines following stable work fine.

I can only speak for myself, but I've been running Netscape (4.08, 4.5 and 4.6)
on two unstable boxes without any problems at all. But maybe that's just me. :)

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Re: Netscape under unstable...

1999-05-21 Thread David Starner
Branden Robinson wrote:
> There is apparently an egcs optimization bug that miscompiles a few object
> files that are included in the X libraries. 
Could you just compile those object files with optimization off?

> Alternatively, if egcs 2.95 is out and packaged before I release -5
> (probably next week), that may have the fix.
Not likely. GCC 2.95 (formerly EGCS 1.2) just made a stable branch and
is complete code freeze. The first of July is the target release date
(all Debian users know, of course, that it will be released excatly on
that date.)



Re: Netscape under unstable...

1999-05-20 Thread Branden Robinson
On Thu, May 20, 1999 at 02:17:09PM -0700, Tom Lear wrote:
> Is it just me or is netscape crashing more recently?  Every machine that I
> have following unstable is having problems with netscape crashing, but the
> machines following stable work fine.

There is apparently an egcs optimization bug that miscompiles a few object
files that are included in the X libraries.  I am aware of Red Hat's fix
for this and it is a ghastly kludge.  I'm trying to come up with something
slightly less vomit-inducing for the next release of the X libraries
(3.3.3.1-5).

Alternatively, if egcs 2.95 is out and packaged before I release -5
(probably next week), that may have the fix.

This bug did not crop up in slink/stable because GNU gcc was still the
standard compiler at that point (I think -- my memory can't hold anything
prior to about 2 previous Debian X releases :) ).

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Re: Netscape under unstable...

1999-05-20 Thread Martin Bialasinski

>> "TL" == Tom Lear <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

TL> Is it just me or is netscape crashing more recently?  Every
TL> machine that I have following unstable is having problems with
TL> netscape crashing, but the machines following stable work fine.

No, you are not the only one. Same thing here. This has been discussed
before. Most likely some kind of glibc2,1 problem.  

Ciao,
Martin



Netscape under unstable...

1999-05-20 Thread Tom Lear
Is it just me or is netscape crashing more recently?  Every machine that I
have following unstable is having problems with netscape crashing, but the
machines following stable work fine.
- Tom

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