Re: Next attempt to add Blends to Debian installer
On Tue, Jan 18, 2022 at 09:52:42AM +0100, Philip Hands wrote:
> I don't have anything like a design for how that should look in my head
> though -- I guess interested parties should get together and come up
> with a design _before_ we start trying to implement it :-)
This sounds like you need someone with UX design experience to look at
this first, before you can actually implement things properly.
Perhaps this is something that could be posted as a "job" on the open
source design website? I've used them in the past to great effect for
the review interface of SReview, my video review system (we did a talk
about that process at FOSDEM 2019; you can see the video at
https://archive.fosdem.org/2019/schedule/event/open_source_design_in_trenches/)
You'd need someone who's willing and able to implement the required
changes to give feedback to the designer, and you'd need to commit to a
bit of time in order to do this properly (in my experience there were a
few iterations of back-and-forth improvements that did take some time to
get fleshed out), but I think the end result is worth it...
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Re: Next attempt to add Blends to Debian installer
Andreas Tille writes: ... > As far as I understood Phil's last posting he is working on an enhanced > tasksel. Actually, what I've been working on is infrastructure to allow others to contribute to such an effort. I've recently enabled a CI pipeline in the tasksel master branch, so anyone forking that will now get the benefit of this work for free (as long as they set the CI file to be 'debian/salsa-ci.yml'). I intend to blog about the details shortly, but a quick run down is that this pipeline was triggered by a commit to my fork: https://salsa.debian.org/philh/tasksel/-/pipelines/337031 which (via a multi-project pipeline) generates a mini-iso: https://salsa.debian.org/installer-team/debian-installer/-/jobs/2364015/artifacts/file/public/gtk-mini.iso that is configured to use an additional apt repo, which in this case includes a version of tasksel built from the above branch: https://salsa.debian.org/installer-team/branch2repo/-/jobs/2364013/artifacts/browse/public/pool/main/t/tasksel/ which one can then download the min-iso for testing, and/or cause to be automatically tested with openQA, as seen here: https://openqa.debian.net/tests/overview?groupid=13&build=-salsa-337031:philh:tasksel:salsa-CI_tasksel where if one drills down to the logs, and search for 'salsaci', one can see that the tasksel packages came from the extra repo: https://openqa.debian.net/tests/37964/logfile?filename=_collect_data-debs.txt The same is true for udebs that are included at build time, and that would be expected to be downloaded at d-i runtime, so simply by creating named branches with the same name across all the (u)debs that one wants to test together you can get hold of a mini-iso that will use those versions in preference to the released versions, without needing to know anything about building d-i or debian CDs. Hopefully that lowers the bar enough so that people can concentrate on the bits they want to improve without immediately getting stuck on how they could possibly test their efforts. However, I've not really put much thought into what actually needs to be changed in order to address the Blends Selection problem. In the past when this has come up I've come up with some temporary hacks that worked around the lack of a decent user interface, but if we want to fix this properly then I think Steve has a point that one way to do that is to extend debconf, and then use new features in tasksel. I don't have anything like a design for how that should look in my head though -- I guess interested parties should get together and come up with a design _before_ we start trying to implement it :-) Cheers, Phil. -- |)| Philip Hands [+44 (0)20 8530 9560] HANDS.COM Ltd. |-| http://www.hands.com/http://ftp.uk.debian.org/ |(| Hugo-Klemm-Strasse 34, 21075 Hamburg,GERMANY signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: Next attempt to add Blends to Debian installer
Hi Steve, Am Mon, Jan 17, 2022 at 11:33:38PM + schrieb Steve McIntyre: > Much as I hate to let you down, I think the best policy now is to be > honest (with myself and you!) and say that I'm not going to find time > to do this any time soon. Sorry. :-( No need to be sorry about this. I highly evaluate all your work and use the chance to thank you for this. > I'm just orphaning some of my packages now, as I've been failing to > keep on top of those already. Other stuff has had to take priority for > too long. I can perfectly understand this since I'm in a similar situation that I've done so much in the past and need to realise that I have to step back a bit. > I still think the best route forward is to add new functionality into > debconf and then update tasksel use that. But please don't wait on me > any more. If you can find other volunteers to pick this up, *please* > do. As far as I understood Phil's last posting he is working on an enhanced tasksel. Hopefully those two mails (yours and Phil's) will motivate other contributors to step in. I will not do this (see above). Thanks again for all your work Andreas. -- http://fam-tille.de
Re: Next attempt to add Blends to Debian installer
Hi Andreas! Apologies for keeping you waiting here. For a range of reasons, I've been struggling to find *any* time to look at this. Much as I hate to let you down, I think the best policy now is to be honest (with myself and you!) and say that I'm not going to find time to do this any time soon. Sorry. :-( I'm just orphaning some of my packages now, as I've been failing to keep on top of those already. Other stuff has had to take priority for too long. I still think the best route forward is to add new functionality into debconf and then update tasksel use that. But please don't wait on me any more. If you can find other volunteers to pick this up, *please* do. -- Steve McIntyre, Cambridge, UK.st...@einval.com Google-bait: https://www.debian.org/CD/free-linux-cd Debian does NOT ship free CDs. Please do NOT contact the mailing lists asking us to send them to you.
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Am Wed, Jan 12, 2022 at 12:56:28PM +0100 schrieb Hendrik Sattler: > Well, entries like "Debian desktop environment" do not have a good > explanation in tasksel either. Unless you look at the apt information or the > debian wiki, there is not much for the user to find out about it. Gnome is > the default of it but still listed separately, adding more confusion. That's > at least my experience with it. There could be more guidance for the user in > tasksel itself, avoiding the need for a different media to get better > information. I agree that tasksel has several constraints but I'd prefer if those things could be discussed in a different thread thus changing the subject here. Kind regards Andreas. -- http://fam-tille.de
Re: Next attempt to add Blends to Debian installer
Am 11. Januar 2022 09:24:28 MEZ schrieb Wouter Verhelst : >On Tue, Jan 11, 2022 at 12:51:45AM +, Seth Arnold wrote: >> On Mon, Jan 10, 2022 at 08:02:50PM +0100, Philip Hands wrote: >> > The only missing bit AFAIK is getting the step where tasksel gets >> > installed into the target system, and then run, to be able to grab the >> > version of tasksel to use from an alternative apt repository (which is >> > already being created as part of the salsa-CI pipeline I've got setup), >> >> Is installing tasksel actually necessary? apt understands tasks, eg: >> apt install lamp-server^ >> >> https://shantanugoel.com/2010/10/23/apt-get-caret/ >> https://askubuntu.com/questions/211912/ >> >> I believe this works even if tasksel isn't installed on the target system. > >Yes, but that doesn't give a user a friendly way to select a task. > >If you know the task then yes, that's plenty, but there's more at play here. > Well, entries like "Debian desktop environment" do not have a good explanation in tasksel either. Unless you look at the apt information or the debian wiki, there is not much for the user to find out about it. Gnome is the default of it but still listed separately, adding more confusion. That's at least my experience with it. There could be more guidance for the user in tasksel itself, avoiding the need for a different media to get better information. -- Diese Nachricht wurde von meinem Android-Gerät mit K-9 Mail gesendet.
Re: Next attempt to add Blends to Debian installer
On Tue, Jan 11, 2022 at 12:51:45AM +, Seth Arnold wrote:
> On Mon, Jan 10, 2022 at 08:02:50PM +0100, Philip Hands wrote:
> > The only missing bit AFAIK is getting the step where tasksel gets
> > installed into the target system, and then run, to be able to grab the
> > version of tasksel to use from an alternative apt repository (which is
> > already being created as part of the salsa-CI pipeline I've got setup),
>
> Is installing tasksel actually necessary? apt understands tasks, eg:
> apt install lamp-server^
>
> https://shantanugoel.com/2010/10/23/apt-get-caret/
> https://askubuntu.com/questions/211912/
>
> I believe this works even if tasksel isn't installed on the target system.
Yes, but that doesn't give a user a friendly way to select a task.
If you know the task then yes, that's plenty, but there's more at play here.
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Re: Next attempt to add Blends to Debian installer
On Mon, Jan 10, 2022 at 08:02:50PM +0100, Philip Hands wrote: > The only missing bit AFAIK is getting the step where tasksel gets > installed into the target system, and then run, to be able to grab the > version of tasksel to use from an alternative apt repository (which is > already being created as part of the salsa-CI pipeline I've got setup), Is installing tasksel actually necessary? apt understands tasks, eg: apt install lamp-server^ https://shantanugoel.com/2010/10/23/apt-get-caret/ https://askubuntu.com/questions/211912/ I believe this works even if tasksel isn't installed on the target system. Thanks signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: Next attempt to add Blends to Debian installer
On 1/10/22 11:24, Andreas Tille wrote: Hi Phil, Am Mon, Jan 10, 2022 at 08:02:50PM +0100 schrieb Philip Hands: Fixing that last bit is next on my TODO list. Once done, that should allow us to try things out rather more easily, and thus have a chance to demonstrate that they are ready for a wider audience. I'll follow up here once I've got all the bits in place. I also expect to have time to work on getting Blends into d-i after that. That's really great news. Thanks a lot Great news indeed. I am available to help out with testing or any further work needed. Give out a shout when changes are ready to be tested. -- Sunil OpenPGP_0x36C361440C9BC971.asc Description: OpenPGP public key OpenPGP_signature Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Next attempt to add Blends to Debian installer
Hi Phil, Am Mon, Jan 10, 2022 at 08:02:50PM +0100 schrieb Philip Hands: > Fixing that last bit is next on my TODO list. Once done, that should > allow us to try things out rather more easily, and thus have a chance to > demonstrate that they are ready for a wider audience. > > I'll follow up here once I've got all the bits in place. I also expect > to have time to work on getting Blends into d-i after that. That's really great news. Thanks a lot Andreas. -- http://fam-tille.de
Re: Next attempt to add Blends to Debian installer
Andreas Tille writes: > Hi Steve, > > a new release cycle has started. Do you think it is possible to > implement this long wanted feature for the next release? BTW I've got almost all of the bits in place to allow one to test this just by pushing repos on salsa. The only missing bit AFAIK is getting the step where tasksel gets installed into the target system, and then run, to be able to grab the version of tasksel to use from an alternative apt repository (which is already being created as part of the salsa-CI pipeline I've got setup), which I think ought to be a case of running apt update an extra time at the right moment. Fixing that last bit is next on my TODO list. Once done, that should allow us to try things out rather more easily, and thus have a chance to demonstrate that they are ready for a wider audience. I'll follow up here once I've got all the bits in place. I also expect to have time to work on getting Blends into d-i after that. Cheers, Phil. -- |)| Philip Hands [+44 (0)20 8530 9560] HANDS.COM Ltd. |-| http://www.hands.com/http://ftp.uk.debian.org/ |(| Hugo-Klemm-Strasse 34, 21075 Hamburg,GERMANY signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: Next attempt to add Blends to Debian installer
Hi Steve, a new release cycle has started. Do you think it is possible to implement this long wanted feature for the next release? Kind regards and happy new year Andreas. Am Sat, Mar 06, 2021 at 04:53:48PM + schrieb Steve McIntyre: > Hey Andreas! > > On Tue, Mar 02, 2021 at 02:46:52PM +0100, Andreas Tille wrote: > >On Thu, Oct 08, 2020 at 10:23:19AM +0100, Steve McIntyre wrote: > >> Hey Andreas! I hope you're keeping well! > >> > >> On Tue, Oct 06, 2020 at 06:08:02PM +0200, Andreas Tille wrote: > >> >> (Overdue!) update: I've been hacking on this for a while, and I hope > >> >> to have a prototype for testing up shortly. It works fine on my local > >> >> system, but in a test d-i build it fails totally so I've clearly > >> >> missed something! Debugging that now... > >> > > >> >I wonder whether I might have missed some information whether there > >> >is something I could test meanwhile. > >> > >> I'm afraid that various higher-priority interrupts came up (new job, > >> UEFI security work) and I got side-tracked for a while. You must be > >> psychic - I just started picking things up again last weekend. > > > >I admit I did not payed much attention on the development of tasksel and > >thus the chances to select Blends right from the installer. The topic > >remains to be urgent for all Blends - but I'm afraid it will be to late > >for Debian 10. Or did I missed something and the status is promising > >for this release? > > Apologies, I think I've let you down :-( . > > I've made a *small* amount of progress at hacking on debconf (route > #2). But again I've had other things come up, not least another round > of Secure Boot fixes. We're not going to have changes in for > Bullseye. Sorry. :-( > > -- > Steve McIntyre, Cambridge, UK.st...@einval.com > Getting a SCSI chain working is perfectly simple if you remember that there > must be exactly three terminations: one on one end of the cable, one on the > far end, and the goat, terminated over the SCSI chain with a silver-handled > knife whilst burning *black* candles. --- Anthony DeBoer > > -- http://fam-tille.de
Re: Next attempt to add Blends to Debian installer
Hi Steve, Am Sat, Mar 06, 2021 at 04:53:48PM + schrieb Steve McIntyre: > > I've made a *small* amount of progress at hacking on debconf (route > #2). But again I've had other things come up, not least another round > of Secure Boot fixes. We're not going to have changes in for > Bullseye. Sorry. :-( Do you see any chance to get this for Bookworm? Kind regards Andreas. -- http://fam-tille.de
Re: Next attempt to add Blends to Debian installer
Hey Andreas! On Tue, Mar 02, 2021 at 02:46:52PM +0100, Andreas Tille wrote: >On Thu, Oct 08, 2020 at 10:23:19AM +0100, Steve McIntyre wrote: >> Hey Andreas! I hope you're keeping well! >> >> On Tue, Oct 06, 2020 at 06:08:02PM +0200, Andreas Tille wrote: >> >> (Overdue!) update: I've been hacking on this for a while, and I hope >> >> to have a prototype for testing up shortly. It works fine on my local >> >> system, but in a test d-i build it fails totally so I've clearly >> >> missed something! Debugging that now... >> > >> >I wonder whether I might have missed some information whether there >> >is something I could test meanwhile. >> >> I'm afraid that various higher-priority interrupts came up (new job, >> UEFI security work) and I got side-tracked for a while. You must be >> psychic - I just started picking things up again last weekend. > >I admit I did not payed much attention on the development of tasksel and >thus the chances to select Blends right from the installer. The topic >remains to be urgent for all Blends - but I'm afraid it will be to late >for Debian 10. Or did I missed something and the status is promising >for this release? Apologies, I think I've let you down :-( . I've made a *small* amount of progress at hacking on debconf (route #2). But again I've had other things come up, not least another round of Secure Boot fixes. We're not going to have changes in for Bullseye. Sorry. :-( -- Steve McIntyre, Cambridge, UK.st...@einval.com Getting a SCSI chain working is perfectly simple if you remember that there must be exactly three terminations: one on one end of the cable, one on the far end, and the goat, terminated over the SCSI chain with a silver-handled knife whilst burning *black* candles. --- Anthony DeBoer
Re: Next attempt to add Blends to Debian installer
On 02/03/2021 13:46, Andreas Tille wrote: Hi Steve, On Thu, Oct 08, 2020 at 10:23:19AM +0100, Steve McIntyre wrote: Hey Andreas! I hope you're keeping well! On Tue, Oct 06, 2020 at 06:08:02PM +0200, Andreas Tille wrote: (Overdue!) update: I've been hacking on this for a while, and I hope to have a prototype for testing up shortly. It works fine on my local system, but in a test d-i build it fails totally so I've clearly missed something! Debugging that now... I wonder whether I might have missed some information whether there is something I could test meanwhile. I'm afraid that various higher-priority interrupts came up (new job, UEFI security work) and I got side-tracked for a while. You must be psychic - I just started picking things up again last weekend. I admit I did not payed much attention on the development of tasksel and thus the chances to select Blends right from the installer. The topic remains to be urgent for all Blends - but I'm afraid it will be to late for Debian 10. Or did I missed something and the status is promising for this release? Kind regards and thanks for all your attempts anyway Andreas. This would be a great feature and very welcome be able to do more with tasksel. Maybe we can come up with other ideas, as if it is going to be updated, then make sure the features are there. Or given the number of blends, we need to come up with the most important / popular ones to include, last thing you want is a huge list. Regards Paul -- Paul Sutton, Cert Cont Sci (Open) https://personaljournal.ca/paulsutton/ OpenPGP : 4350 91C4 C8FB 681B 23A6 7944 8EA9 1B51 E27E 3D99 Pronoun : him/his/he OpenPGP_signature Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Next attempt to add Blends to Debian installer
Hi Steve, On Thu, Oct 08, 2020 at 10:23:19AM +0100, Steve McIntyre wrote: > Hey Andreas! I hope you're keeping well! > > On Tue, Oct 06, 2020 at 06:08:02PM +0200, Andreas Tille wrote: > >> (Overdue!) update: I've been hacking on this for a while, and I hope > >> to have a prototype for testing up shortly. It works fine on my local > >> system, but in a test d-i build it fails totally so I've clearly > >> missed something! Debugging that now... > > > >I wonder whether I might have missed some information whether there > >is something I could test meanwhile. > > I'm afraid that various higher-priority interrupts came up (new job, > UEFI security work) and I got side-tracked for a while. You must be > psychic - I just started picking things up again last weekend. I admit I did not payed much attention on the development of tasksel and thus the chances to select Blends right from the installer. The topic remains to be urgent for all Blends - but I'm afraid it will be to late for Debian 10. Or did I missed something and the status is promising for this release? Kind regards and thanks for all your attempts anyway Andreas. -- http://fam-tille.de
Re: Next attempt to add Blends to Debian installer
Hi Steve, On Thu, Oct 08, 2020 at 10:23:19AM +0100, Steve McIntyre wrote: > Hey Andreas! I hope you're keeping well! Thanks, I'm perfectly fine. I hope you as well. > You must be > psychic - I just started picking things up again last weekend. Argh, now you have made my deepest secret public! ;-) Thanks for picking it up and let us know if there is something to test Andreas. -- http://fam-tille.de
Re: Next attempt to add Blends to Debian installer
Hey Andreas! I hope you're keeping well! On Tue, Oct 06, 2020 at 06:08:02PM +0200, Andreas Tille wrote: >On Mon, Mar 23, 2020 at 07:16:11PM +, Steve McIntyre wrote: >> >Not yet, I'm afraid. A little too swamped so far, but you're near the >> >top of my TODO list. I'm hoping to get some time for development on >> >this in the next couple of months. >> >> (Overdue!) update: I've been hacking on this for a while, and I hope >> to have a prototype for testing up shortly. It works fine on my local >> system, but in a test d-i build it fails totally so I've clearly >> missed something! Debugging that now... > >I wonder whether I might have missed some information whether there >is something I could test meanwhile. I'm afraid that various higher-priority interrupts came up (new job, UEFI security work) and I got side-tracked for a while. You must be psychic - I just started picking things up again last weekend. -- Steve McIntyre, Cambridge, UK.st...@einval.com "Further comment on how I feel about IBM will appear once I've worked out whether they're being malicious or incompetent. Capital letters are forecast." Matthew Garrett, http://www.livejournal.com/users/mjg59/30675.html
Re: Next attempt to add Blends to Debian installer
On 06/10/20 9:08 am, Andreas Tille wrote: > Hi Steve, > > On Mon, Mar 23, 2020 at 07:16:11PM +, Steve McIntyre wrote: >>> Not yet, I'm afraid. A little too swamped so far, but you're near the >>> top of my TODO list. I'm hoping to get some time for development on >>> this in the next couple of months. >> >> (Overdue!) update: I've been hacking on this for a while, and I hope >> to have a prototype for testing up shortly. It works fine on my local >> system, but in a test d-i build it fails totally so I've clearly >> missed something! Debugging that now... > > I wonder whether I might have missed some information whether there > is something I could test meanwhile. > > Kind regards and thanks for all your work for the installer Hi Steve and Andreas, I believe getting all the blends (including FreedomBox) listed in the Debian installer would bring a lot of exposure to blends. I have quite some spare time for assisting on this task. If there is an old patch out there, I can help with cleanup, refresh, testing, writing additional tests, etc. If not, I can help with a fresh patch based on what was agreed on. Let me know. Thanks, -- Sunil Mohan Adapa FreedomBox Team signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Next attempt to add Blends to Debian installer
Hi Steve, On Mon, Mar 23, 2020 at 07:16:11PM +, Steve McIntyre wrote: > >Not yet, I'm afraid. A little too swamped so far, but you're near the > >top of my TODO list. I'm hoping to get some time for development on > >this in the next couple of months. > > (Overdue!) update: I've been hacking on this for a while, and I hope > to have a prototype for testing up shortly. It works fine on my local > system, but in a test d-i build it fails totally so I've clearly > missed something! Debugging that now... I wonder whether I might have missed some information whether there is something I could test meanwhile. Kind regards and thanks for all your work for the installer Andreas. -- http://fam-tille.de
Re: Next attempt to add Blends to Debian installer
Hi Steve, On Mon, Mar 23, 2020 at 07:16:11PM +, Steve McIntyre wrote: > >Not yet, I'm afraid. A little too swamped so far, but you're near the > >top of my TODO list. I'm hoping to get some time for development on > >this in the next couple of months. > > (Overdue!) update: I've been hacking on this for a while, and I hope > to have a prototype for testing up shortly. It works fine on my local > system, but in a test d-i build it fails totally so I've clearly > missed something! Debugging that now... Thanks a lot. Its really appreciated. I hope that other Blends step in with testing since I guess the next monthes I'm busy with COVID-19 issues. Thank you for the update Andreas. -- http://fam-tille.de
Re: Next attempt to add Blends to Debian installer
On Mon, Jan 06, 2020 at 04:23:08PM +, Steve McIntyre wrote: >Hey Andreas! > >On Wed, Dec 18, 2019 at 08:23:39AM +0100, Andreas Tille wrote: >> >>the first alpha of the installer of Debian 11 is out. As we talked at >>DebConf about better Blends support: Is there anything we can test >>regarding tasksel? > >Not yet, I'm afraid. A little too swamped so far, but you're near the >top of my TODO list. I'm hoping to get some time for development on >this in the next couple of months. (Overdue!) update: I've been hacking on this for a while, and I hope to have a prototype for testing up shortly. It works fine on my local system, but in a test d-i build it fails totally so I've clearly missed something! Debugging that now... -- Steve McIntyre, Cambridge, UK.st...@einval.com Getting a SCSI chain working is perfectly simple if you remember that there must be exactly three terminations: one on one end of the cable, one on the far end, and the goat, terminated over the SCSI chain with a silver-handled knife whilst burning *black* candles. --- Anthony DeBoer
Re: Next attempt to add Blends to Debian installer
Hey Andreas! On Wed, Dec 18, 2019 at 08:23:39AM +0100, Andreas Tille wrote: > >the first alpha of the installer of Debian 11 is out. As we talked at >DebConf about better Blends support: Is there anything we can test >regarding tasksel? Not yet, I'm afraid. A little too swamped so far, but you're near the top of my TODO list. I'm hoping to get some time for development on this in the next couple of months. -- Steve McIntyre, Cambridge, UK.st...@einval.com "When C++ is your hammer, everything looks like a thumb." -- Steven M. Haflich
Re: Next attempt to add Blends to Debian installer
Hi Steve, the first alpha of the installer of Debian 11 is out. As we talked at DebConf about better Blends support: Is there anything we can test regarding tasksel? Kind regards Andreas. On Mon, Dec 03, 2018 at 10:32:28PM +0100, Andreas Tille wrote: > Hi, > > somehow I've thought I would have pinged about this one and I even > somehow remember that Holger liked that I did so but I do not find and > trace of this in my outbox nor the mailing list archive. So may be I > have dreamed this. It would be a real dream if we could finally realise > this 15 year old idea to have Blends right in the installer. Is there > any work in progress that could be tested? > > Kind regards > > Andreas. > > On Thu, Aug 16, 2018 at 10:34:36AM +0200, Andreas Tille wrote: > > Hi, > > > > to give some status information about how we can make Blends more > > visible at installer stage: Holger Levsen, Phil Hands, Steve McIntyre > > and I had some discussion in DebCamp. The conclusion was that adding > > Blends to the installer tasksel menu would be perfectly possible if > > tasksel itself would provide some menu hierarchy. We all agreed that > > the current selection of tasks needs some overhaul in general. It > > could provide some menu item: > > > >"Select Blend" (or rather some better text here!) > > > > and than you get a selection of Blends to pick (one or more) from. > > > > For the Stretch release Phil even wrote some code in this direction that > > needs some refresh. (Phil, can you give some pointer if there is > > something to test?) > > > > Any comments / code contributions are welcome. > > > > Kind regards > > > >Andreas. > > > > PS: Please correct me if my short summary is incomplete. > > > > -- > > http://fam-tille.de > > -- > http://fam-tille.de > > -- http://fam-tille.de
Re: Next attempt to add Blends to Debian installer
Hi, somehow I've thought I would have pinged about this one and I even somehow remember that Holger liked that I did so but I do not find and trace of this in my outbox nor the mailing list archive. So may be I have dreamed this. It would be a real dream if we could finally realise this 15 year old idea to have Blends right in the installer. Is there any work in progress that could be tested? Kind regards Andreas. On Thu, Aug 16, 2018 at 10:34:36AM +0200, Andreas Tille wrote: > Hi, > > to give some status information about how we can make Blends more > visible at installer stage: Holger Levsen, Phil Hands, Steve McIntyre > and I had some discussion in DebCamp. The conclusion was that adding > Blends to the installer tasksel menu would be perfectly possible if > tasksel itself would provide some menu hierarchy. We all agreed that > the current selection of tasks needs some overhaul in general. It > could provide some menu item: > >"Select Blend" (or rather some better text here!) > > and than you get a selection of Blends to pick (one or more) from. > > For the Stretch release Phil even wrote some code in this direction that > needs some refresh. (Phil, can you give some pointer if there is > something to test?) > > Any comments / code contributions are welcome. > > Kind regards > >Andreas. > > PS: Please correct me if my short summary is incomplete. > > -- > http://fam-tille.de -- http://fam-tille.de
Re: Next attempt to add Blends to Debian installer
Hi Ole, On Thu, Aug 16, 2018 at 12:23:58PM +0200, Ole Streicher wrote: > Filippo Rusconi writes: > > Also, when I installed debian-science and debichem last time, the process > > downloaded such an amount of software that it almost filled my disk (which > > I was > > not suspecting). Maybe, a rough indication of the used disk space in front > > of > > each blend might be useful, in this respect. > > I would not include debian-science to the blends listed in the > installer: it is more an umbrella to organize the packages then a useful > selection of software. The software selection is also inconsitent: it > only contains software that is not maintained by a more specialized > blend (like debichem). > > So, there is probably no real use case to install Debian Science in its > current form (unless someone takes the work to kurate a "Generic Debian > Science Workstation" or so). True. There might be some general use in may be the following tasks: https://blends.debian.org/science/tasks/dataacquisition https://blends.debian.org/science/tasks/distributedcomputing https://blends.debian.org/science/tasks/statistics https://blends.debian.org/science/tasks/typesetting https://blends.debian.org/science/tasks/viewing (or even a subset of these). I'm not very keen on having these but may be this could be a topic to discuss. > On our last attempt, we had an opt-in for the blends to be in the > installer; I would propose the same now as well. Definitely Andreas. -- http://fam-tille.de
Re: Next attempt to add Blends to Debian installer
Filippo Rusconi writes: > Also, when I installed debian-science and debichem last time, the process > downloaded such an amount of software that it almost filled my disk (which I > was > not suspecting). Maybe, a rough indication of the used disk space in front of > each blend might be useful, in this respect. I would not include debian-science to the blends listed in the installer: it is more an umbrella to organize the packages then a useful selection of software. The software selection is also inconsitent: it only contains software that is not maintained by a more specialized blend (like debichem). So, there is probably no real use case to install Debian Science in its current form (unless someone takes the work to kurate a "Generic Debian Science Workstation" or so). On our last attempt, we had an opt-in for the blends to be in the installer; I would propose the same now as well. Cheers Ole
Re: Next attempt to add Blends to Debian installer
Greetings, Andreas, and everybody, On Thu, Aug 16, 2018 at 10:34:36AM +0200, Andreas Tille wrote: Hi, to give some status information about how we can make Blends more visible at installer stage: Holger Levsen, Phil Hands, Steve McIntyre and I had some discussion in DebCamp. The conclusion was that adding Blends to the installer tasksel menu would be perfectly possible if tasksel itself would provide some menu hierarchy. We all agreed that the current selection of tasks needs some overhaul in general. It could provide some menu item: "Select Blend" (or rather some better text here!) and than you get a selection of Blends to pick (one or more) from. For the Stretch release Phil even wrote some code in this direction that needs some refresh. (Phil, can you give some pointer if there is something to test?) Any comments / code contributions are welcome. Please, add some small strophe to explain what a blend is, as I can tell that this is not something widely known even to seasoned Debian users/admins (have examples from research labs). Also, when I installed debian-science and debichem last time, the process downloaded such an amount of software that it almost filled my disk (which I was not suspecting). Maybe, a rough indication of the used disk space in front of each blend might be useful, in this respect. Just my 2 cents, along with my very best wishes, Filippo -- ⢀⣴⠾⠻⢶⣦⠀ Filippo Rusconi, PhD ⣾⠁⢠⠒⠀⣿⡁ Scientist at CNRS ⢿⡄⠘⠷⠚⠋⠀ Debian Developer ⠈⠳⣄ http://msxpertsuite.org http://www.debian.org
Next attempt to add Blends to Debian installer
Hi, to give some status information about how we can make Blends more visible at installer stage: Holger Levsen, Phil Hands, Steve McIntyre and I had some discussion in DebCamp. The conclusion was that adding Blends to the installer tasksel menu would be perfectly possible if tasksel itself would provide some menu hierarchy. We all agreed that the current selection of tasks needs some overhaul in general. It could provide some menu item: "Select Blend" (or rather some better text here!) and than you get a selection of Blends to pick (one or more) from. For the Stretch release Phil even wrote some code in this direction that needs some refresh. (Phil, can you give some pointer if there is something to test?) Any comments / code contributions are welcome. Kind regards Andreas. PS: Please correct me if my short summary is incomplete. -- http://fam-tille.de
