Re: Non-x86 architectures becomes more popular in Debian...

2005-10-18 Thread Martijn van Oosterhout
> And for those of you interested in the architecture distribution, here
> are the numbers and percentages:

I think popcon is a really neat project. I do look every now and then
to see when the "unknown" line crosses the "amd64" line :) It's
getting close.

Keep up the good work,



Re: Non-x86 architectures becomes more popular in Debian...

2005-10-18 Thread Gustavo Franco
On 10/17/05, Petter Reinholdtsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> (...)
>
> > but is there anyone in the project with academic background about
> > this subject ?
>
> None of the current popcon maintainers have statistical background, as
> far as I know.
>
> We were in touch with someone interested in using the data set to make
> a recommender system for debian packages this summer, but nothing came
> out of this yet.  I believe it would be a nice feature to have,
> allowing admins to get reports about packages they might find
> interesting based on their current set of installed packages.

It sounds cool. FYI, i've used popcon data in a small script that aims
to be a "apt-cache search" replacement  - it can retrieve debtags data
too and order the results "by popcon", do you see? It wasn't a blocker
but it would be cool if popcon data was available in more script
friendly formats.

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Gustavo Franco



Re: Non-x86 architectures becomes more popular in Debian...

2005-10-17 Thread Christian Perrier
Quoting John Hasler ([EMAIL PROTECTED]):
> Gustavo Franco writes:
> > I think that popcon is a bit underrated in the project.
> 
> Does the installer mention popcon?


It installs it..:-)

(unfortunately, for various design issues, the sarge installer stopped
installing it during its development process and the sarge installer
does *not* install it automagically)



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Re: Non-x86 architectures becomes more popular in Debian...

2005-10-17 Thread John Hasler
Gustavo Franco writes:
> I think that popcon is a bit underrated in the project.

Does the installer mention popcon?
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Re: Non-x86 architectures becomes more popular in Debian...

2005-10-17 Thread Petter Reinholdtsen
[Gustavo Franco]
> Have you a TODO list to share with us and are you thinking in ways
> to expand the popcon visibility in the short term ?

We are two persons maintaining the package (it is on alioth,
https://alioth.debian.org/projects/popcon/>), and you should
probably use our mailing list to discuss popcon plans.  I do not have
any short term plans for making it more widely known, except for my
random reports of statistics on the mailing lists.  For the long term,
the debian-installer in etch ask during installation if the machine in
question should report to popcon, so I hope that will increase the
visibility significantly.  Unfortunately, this feature was added after
sarge was released, so it is not in sarge.

> but is there anyone in the project with academic background about
> this subject ?

None of the current popcon maintainers have statistical background, as
far as I know.

We were in touch with someone interested in using the data set to make
a recommender system for debian packages this summer, but nothing came
out of this yet.  I believe it would be a nice feature to have,
allowing admins to get reports about packages they might find
interesting based on their current set of installed packages.


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Re: Non-x86 architectures becomes more popular in Debian...

2005-10-17 Thread Gustavo Franco
On 10/17/05, Petter Reinholdtsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I'm pleased to observe that the non-x86 architectures reporting to
> debian popularity-contest have seen a steep increase the last few
> days.  The steepest climber is armeb, followed by alpha and hppa.  It
> is great to see that the total count of submitters are up to 7850.
> Visit http://popcon.debian.org/> to find all the numbers.
>
> (...)

Hi Petter,

I think that popcon is a bit underrated in the project. It's cited
here and there all the time in the conferences, MLs and IRC but i
don't know many users that have heard or are using the results of it.
FYI, i'm a brazilian DD.

Have you a TODO list to share with us and are you thinking in ways to
expand the popcon visibility in the short term ? Since we're using
statistical data it's clear that we don't need to know the results of
all the Debian users to prepare detailed reports about package
usability (in percent), but is there anyone in the project with
academic background about this subject ? I'm just curious, because i'm
working in a similar project that's is not related (directly) with
software.

Thanks,
Gustavo Franco - <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>



Non-x86 architectures becomes more popular in Debian...

2005-10-17 Thread Petter Reinholdtsen

I'm pleased to observe that the non-x86 architectures reporting to
debian popularity-contest have seen a steep increase the last few
days.  The steepest climber is armeb, followed by alpha and hppa.  It
is great to see that the total count of submitters are up to 7850.
Visit http://popcon.debian.org/> to find all the numbers.

But the architecture distribution is not the most interesting part of
the popcon results.  The packages used around the globe is the more
relevant for our day to day work, and the popcon "score" is used to
order the packages on the CDs, to make sure the popular packages end
up on the first CDs.

Please help us get a better picture of the packages being used by
installing the popularity-contest package, and answer yes to
participate.

And for those of you interested in the architecture distribution, here
are the numbers and percentages:

  #machines Architecture
  --
  1   0.01% ppc64
  2   0.03% kfreebsd-i386
  3   0.04% hurd-i386
  3   0.04% m68k
  4   0.05% s390
  8   0.11% arm
 10   0.14% mips
 10   0.14% mipsel
 16   0.22% armeb
 28   0.38% ia64
 46   0.62% hppa
 53   0.72% alpha
 88   1.19% sparc
129   1.75% powerpc
361   4.90% amd64
   6611  89.66% i386
   7373 100.00% total (ignored 477 without arch info)

The package in woody do not report architecture info, so the 477
machines are probably running woody or older)

(And if you want to announce the existence of popularity-contest to
Debian users or other lists, please do so.  I prefer to limit my posts
to the lists I am on. :)

Friendly,
-- 
Petter Reinholdtsen
One of the popularity-contest maintainers


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