OT: Was: Re: Josselin Mouette and Planet Debian
Le vendredi 19 décembre 2008 à 10:01 -0200, Martin Langhoff a écrit : On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 8:46 PM, Josselin Mouette j...@debian.org wrote: Homosexuality can be an *accusation* ‽ It still is in some countries. That's why mature people don't play with that openly in international projects. Perhaps you didn't know. Still, shame on those countries. Btw, just as we are clearly off-topic of any Debian developper related discussion, there has just been some celebration of 60th anniversary of the universal human rights declaration at UN yesterday, with a specicically targeted event about sexual orientation, criminalisation of homosexuality, etc. For instance see our Secretaire d'Etat's declaration at : http://gayswithoutborders.wordpress.com/2008/09/04/france-rama-yade-will-appeal-at-the-united-nations-for-the-universal-decriminalisation-of-homosexuality/ OK, OK, maybe some kind of french arrogance here again ;) Best regards, -- Olivier BERGER olivier.ber...@it-sudparis.eu http://www-public.it-sudparis.eu/~berger_o/ - OpenPGP-Id: 1024D/6B829EEC Ingénieur Recherche - Dept INF Institut TELECOM, SudParis (http://www.it-sudparis.eu/), Evry (France) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: OT: Was: Re: Josselin Mouette and Planet Debian
Le vendredi 19 décembre 2008 à 13:30 +0100, Olivier Berger a écrit : For instance see our Secretaire d'Etat's declaration at : http://gayswithoutborders.wordpress.com/2008/09/04/france-rama-yade-will-appeal-at-the-united-nations-for-the-universal-decriminalisation-of-homosexuality/ OK, OK, maybe some kind of french arrogance here again ;) Especially when the very day of the 60th anniversary, our beloved foreign minister said: “There is a permanent contradiction between human rights and a State’s foreign policy, even in France.” Our country is very far from exempt of human rights violations. Those trying to frame the current discussion in terms of cultures or countries are forgetting that every culture and country has its share of intolerant people. I don’t think all Aussies are homophobic bigots; it’s just that we have one in the project. -- .''`. : :' : We are debian.org. Lower your prices, surrender your code. `. `' We will add your hardware and software distinctiveness to `-our own. Resistance is futile. signature.asc Description: Ceci est une partie de message numériquement signée
Re: OT: Was: Re: Josselin Mouette and Planet Debian
On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 10:59 AM, Josselin Mouette j...@debian.org wrote: Our country is very far from exempt of human rights violations. Those trying to frame the current discussion in terms of cultures or countries are forgetting that every culture and country has its share of intolerant people. I don't think all Aussies are homophobic bigots; it's just that we have one in the project. Hmmm, Josselin, I share with you an open mind over many things (and yet, you'd be surprised at the prejudices you have, that only someone from another culture can point out). Even in the odd days when I feel all superior, I realise that it's not for everyone, and that different cultures have their own pace, and their own direction. And I respect them, if I am in a multicultural forum, I watch my mouth. The mission of Debian is not spot the bigot. Debian embraces people of many beliefs, customs and ways of life under one shared belief -- about an OS. cheers, m -- martin.langh...@gmail.com mar...@laptop.org -- School Server Architect - ask interesting questions - don't get distracted with shiny stuff - working code first - http://wiki.laptop.org/go/User:Martinlanghoff -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: OT: Was: Re: Josselin Mouette and Planet Debian
Le vendredi 19 décembre 2008 à 11:39 -0200, Martin Langhoff a écrit : The mission of Debian is not spot the bigot. Debian embraces people of many beliefs, customs and ways of life under one shared belief -- about an OS. Precisely. And in such a project, you need to work together with people having opinions you can despise or strongly disagree with. But I fail to see why you’d need to shut up on those topics when they show up. -- .''`. : :' : We are debian.org. Lower your prices, surrender your code. `. `' We will add your hardware and software distinctiveness to `-our own. Resistance is futile. signature.asc Description: Ceci est une partie de message numériquement signée
Re: OT: Was: Re: Josselin Mouette and Planet Debian
On Fri, 19 Dec 2008, Josselin Mouette wrote: Le vendredi 19 décembre 2008 à 11:39 -0200, Martin Langhoff a écrit : The mission of Debian is not spot the bigot. Debian embraces people of many beliefs, customs and ways of life under one shared belief -- about an OS. Precisely. And in such a project, you need to work together with people having opinions you can despise or strongly disagree with. But I fail to see why you’d need to shut up on those topics when they show up. It's called “Don't feed the beast/trolls”. I'd rather have less such discussions on debian lists and more of the productive ones (and I know that you didn't start this discussion). Cheers, -- Raphaël Hertzog Le best-seller français mis à jour pour Debian Etch : http://www.ouaza.com/livre/admin-debian/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: OT: Was: Re: Josselin Mouette and Planet Debian
On Fri, Dec 19 2008, Raphael Hertzog wrote: On Fri, 19 Dec 2008, Josselin Mouette wrote: Le vendredi 19 décembre 2008 à 11:39 -0200, Martin Langhoff a écrit : The mission of Debian is not spot the bigot. Debian embraces people of many beliefs, customs and ways of life under one shared belief -- about an OS. Precisely. And in such a project, you need to work together with people having opinions you can despise or strongly disagree with. But I fail to see why you’d need to shut up on those topics when they show up. It's called “Don't feed the beast/trolls”. I'd rather have less such discussions on debian lists and more of the productive ones (and I know that you didn't start this discussion). Then perhaps a good start would be to start deprecating messages that insult, shock, and try to humiliate other people, which even you can't possibly characterize as positicve and constructuve, no? manoj -- When in doubt, use brute force. Ken Thompson Manoj Srivastava sriva...@debian.org http://www.debian.org/~srivasta/ 1024D/BF24424C print 4966 F272 D093 B493 410B 924B 21BA DABB BF24 424C -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
