Re: P3 capabilities (was dselect memory use)
On 14-Feb-07, 16:48 (CST), Russell Coker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Wednesday 14 February 2007 09:49, Matthew Garrett > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Like any other P6-class CPU[1], the Pentium 3 can handle up to 64GB of > > RAM via PAE. Certain chipsets may be more restrictive, but it's not a > > function of the CPU. i810 and i815 are documented to be limited to > > 512MB, but the i820 and i840 were desktop chipsets with support for > > more. > > Aha, that would be the issue then. I've been using machines with i810 and > i815 graphics, some of them had AGP video cards but I removed them (having no > need for them on servers). I'll try disabling the i81x and use an AGP card Uh, probably not. "i810" refers to the whole chipset, not just the graphics subsystem. I'd be really surprised if disabling the on-board graphics let you use more memory (well, except the 32K or whatever that the on-board graphics take over). Steve -- Steve Greenland The irony is that Bill Gates claims to be making a stable operating system and Linus Torvalds claims to be trying to take over the world. -- seen on the net -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: P3 capabilities (was dselect memory use)
On Wednesday 14 February 2007 09:49, Matthew Garrett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Russell Coker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > P3 server machines can easily handle more RAM, I've had P3 servers with > > 1G and 2G before. But desktops are limited (desktop and server versions > > of the P3 CPU have significant differences among other things). > > Like any other P6-class CPU[1], the Pentium 3 can handle up to 64GB of > RAM via PAE. Certain chipsets may be more restrictive, but it's not a > function of the CPU. i810 and i815 are documented to be limited to > 512MB, but the i820 and i840 were desktop chipsets with support for > more. Aha, that would be the issue then. I've been using machines with i810 and i815 graphics, some of them had AGP video cards but I removed them (having no need for them on servers). I'll try disabling the i81x and use an AGP card and see if it helps. > [1] Well, except some of the low-end Pentium Ms. I guess Celerons may be > missing it as well. On Thursday 15 February 2007 02:30, "Roberto C. Sanchez" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > P6-class says nothing about how much memory the CPU can address. It is > about the instruction set. With that in mind, every 32-bit Intel > Pentium since the Pentium Pro is a P6-class CPU. Except for the Pentium-M in my laptop according to Matthew. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://etbe.blogspot.com/ My Blog http://www.coker.com.au/sponsorship.html Sponsoring Free Software development -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: P3 capabilities (was dselect memory use)
On Wed, Feb 14, 2007 at 08:09:48AM +0100, Daniel Baumann wrote:
> one of the most famous desktop boards for pentium 3 slot cpus was the
> asus p3b-f. it can handle 4 dimms with a total capacity of 1gb (lucky me
> had such a machine in 2000/2001. :).
Just for another data point, I *presently* use one of these as my
primary workstation and media player at home, connected via DVI/HDMI
from a Radeon 9000 to my hi-def 60" Sony at 720p (1280x720 desktop
in X.org with the service menus on the TV adjusted so I can see
every last pixel on that input). Runs Debian/sid and works like a
charm, 1GiB RAM, 600MHz Pentium 3, pair of SCSI drives in an MD
RAID-1 mirror, IDE DVD+R burner, wireless Ethernet, Bluetooth
drawing tablet and folding keyboard... So yeah, a Pentium 3 based
desktop can still do *a lot* (thanks in no small part to the
extremely efficient operating system running on it--kudos,
everyone!).
Of course, back to the original topic at hand, I tend to do package
management on that machine via aptitude in command-line mode over
SSH from a laptop... haven't touched dselect in eons.
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Re: P3 capabilities (was dselect memory use)
Evgeni Golov wrote: > In 2000/2001? I still have a p3-500 on a asus p3b-f with 512mb ram here > at home as a fileserver, and one with 384mb at my girlfriends home as a > desktop... i did tend to change hardware more frequently in the past, nowadays it doesn't make so much of a difference anymore. -- Address:Daniel Baumann, Burgunderstrasse 3, CH-4562 Biberist Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Internet: http://people.panthera-systems.net/~daniel-baumann/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: P3 capabilities (was dselect memory use)
On Wed, Feb 14, 2007 at 08:58:11AM +1100, Russell Coker wrote: > On Thursday 08 February 2007 22:14, Hamish Moffatt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Beside the point I know, but I had P-III machines with more RAM than > > that installed in the past. 768Mb at least. > > Were they desktop machines? If so what brand? Yes desktops. HP Kayak XU800, and I think Kayak XA also. Hamish -- Hamish Moffatt VK3SB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: P3 capabilities (was dselect memory use)
On Wed, 14 Feb 2007 08:09:48 +0100 Daniel Baumann wrote: > Russell Coker wrote: > > Were they desktop machines? If so what brand? > > one of the most famous desktop boards for pentium 3 slot cpus was the > asus p3b-f. it can handle 4 dimms with a total capacity of 1gb (lucky > me had such a machine in 2000/2001. :). In 2000/2001? I still have a p3-500 on a asus p3b-f with 512mb ram here at home as a fileserver, and one with 384mb at my girlfriends home as a desktop... And yes the boards could handle more, but get sd-ram today for a fair price :( -- ^^^| Evgeni -SargentD- Golov ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) d(O_o)b | GPG/PGP-Key-ID: 0xAC15B50C >-|-< | 0C04 F872 0963 ADC9 AA83 882B 24A0 1418 AC15 B50C / \| http://www.die-welt.net - [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: P3 capabilities (was dselect memory use)
Russell Coker wrote: > Were they desktop machines? If so what brand? one of the most famous desktop boards for pentium 3 slot cpus was the asus p3b-f. it can handle 4 dimms with a total capacity of 1gb (lucky me had such a machine in 2000/2001. :). Regards, Daniel -- Address:Daniel Baumann, Burgunderstrasse 3, CH-4562 Biberist Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Internet: http://people.panthera-systems.net/~daniel-baumann/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: P3 capabilities (was dselect memory use)
On Wed, Feb 14, 2007 at 08:58:11AM +1100, Russell Coker wrote: > On Thursday 08 February 2007 22:14, Hamish Moffatt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Beside the point I know, but I had P-III machines with more RAM than > > that installed in the past. 768Mb at least. > > Were they desktop machines? If so what brand? I have a Dell P3 (650Mhz Coppermine) that can handle up to 768M. Yes, a desktop. -- Home is where you have to wash the dishes. -- #debian-devel, Freenode, 2004-09-22 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: P3 capabilities (was dselect memory use)
Russell Coker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > P3 server machines can easily handle more RAM, I've had P3 servers with 1G > and > 2G before. But desktops are limited (desktop and server versions of the P3 > CPU have significant differences among other things). Like any other P6-class CPU[1], the Pentium 3 can handle up to 64GB of RAM via PAE. Certain chipsets may be more restrictive, but it's not a function of the CPU. i810 and i815 are documented to be limited to 512MB, but the i820 and i840 were desktop chipsets with support for more. [1] Well, except some of the low-end Pentium Ms. I guess Celerons may be missing it as well. -- Matthew Garrett | [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: P3 capabilities (was dselect memory use)
On Wed, Feb 14, 2007 at 08:58:11AM +1100, Russell Coker wrote: > > P3 server machines can easily handle more RAM, I've had P3 servers with 1G > and > 2G before. But desktops are limited (desktop and server versions of the P3 > CPU have significant differences among other things). > What differences are those? I thought all processors labeled as P-III were functionally the same (excepting differences between cores). Now, I do know that there are differences between the P-III chips and the P-III-based Xeon chips. But even then, the biggest difference in how much RAM a particular machine supports has to do with the motherboard chipset. Regards, -Roberto -- Roberto C. Sanchez http://people.connexer.com/~roberto http://www.connexer.com signature.asc Description: Digital signature
P3 capabilities (was dselect memory use)
On Thursday 08 February 2007 22:14, Hamish Moffatt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Beside the point I know, but I had P-III machines with more RAM than > that installed in the past. 768Mb at least. Were they desktop machines? If so what brand? P3 server machines can easily handle more RAM, I've had P3 servers with 1G and 2G before. But desktops are limited (desktop and server versions of the P3 CPU have significant differences among other things). Posted to debian-devel because the callout verification of the @debian.org mail server is not compatible with it being listed as a spam source... -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://etbe.blogspot.com/ My Blog http://www.coker.com.au/sponsorship.html Sponsoring Free Software development -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
