Re: PERL MAINTAINERS SUCK - COMPLETE MORONS
On Wed, 10 Jan 2001, Matt Zimmerman wrote: > On Wed, Jan 10, 2001 at 09:01:40AM -0500, Daniel Martin wrote: > > > Matt Zimmerman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > > > Well, if someone would like to configure the MTA that runs > > > bugs.debian.org to > > > send CC's of all bug mail to another address, ... > > > > You mean something other than signing up for debian-bugs-dist and > > parsing the resulting traffic? > > > > I realize that debian-bugs-dist isn't the same as getting the _input_ > > to the BTS, but if you want to maintain the same bug tracking numbers > > you'll want the BTS to process the mail first in any case. > > I don't know whether keeping the bug numbers synchronized is feasible or not, > but I would probably try. debian-bugs-dist doesn't seem to get copies of mail > sent to [EMAIL PROTECTED], only the responses from the BTS. I would rather > have the > new system see every message that the BTS sees, and process everything for > itself. That way, if it would ever replace the existing BTS, we could be sure > there were no dependencies on the old system. [EMAIL PROTECTED] $ cat /org/bugs.debian.org/mail/.forward-default |/usr/lib/debbugs/receive [EMAIL PROTECTED] $ cat /org/bugs.debian.org/mail/.forward-owner [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] $ cat /org/bugs.debian.org/mail/.forward-mailerrors /dev/null It's just a matter of having the new system be in the correct .forward files. BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK Version: 3.12 GCS d- s: a-- c+++ UL P+ L !E W+ M o+ K- W--- !O M- !V PS-- PE++ Y+ PGP++ t* 5++ X+ tv b+ D++ G e h*! !r z? -END GEEK CODE BLOCK- BEGIN PGP INFO Adam Heath <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Finger Print | KeyID 67 01 42 93 CA 37 FB 1E63 C9 80 1D 08 CF 84 0A | DE656B05 PGP AD46 C888 F587 F8A3 A6DA 3261 8A2C 7DC2 8BD4 A489 | 8BD4A489 GPG -END PGP INFO-
Re: PERL MAINTAINERS SUCK - COMPLETE MORONS
On Wed, Jan 10, 2001 at 09:01:40AM -0500, Daniel Martin wrote: > Matt Zimmerman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > Well, if someone would like to configure the MTA that runs bugs.debian.org > > to > > send CC's of all bug mail to another address, ... > > You mean something other than signing up for debian-bugs-dist and > parsing the resulting traffic? > > I realize that debian-bugs-dist isn't the same as getting the _input_ > to the BTS, but if you want to maintain the same bug tracking numbers > you'll want the BTS to process the mail first in any case. I don't know whether keeping the bug numbers synchronized is feasible or not, but I would probably try. debian-bugs-dist doesn't seem to get copies of mail sent to [EMAIL PROTECTED], only the responses from the BTS. I would rather have the new system see every message that the BTS sees, and process everything for itself. That way, if it would ever replace the existing BTS, we could be sure there were no dependencies on the old system. -- - mdz
Re: PERL MAINTAINERS SUCK - COMPLETE MORONS
On Tue, Jan 09, 2001 at 04:06:35PM -0800, Ralph Jennings wrote: The problem is not that easy to solve I think. Basicly the problem is that you upgrade a tool that the install program depends on. If you install the perl-5.6 package before anything alse things will probably work just fine. The problem as I have encounterd it is that packages got removed before (including some old perl packages) perl-5.6 is (fully) installed. If that happens perl will not work properly and everything will fail. So you have to install all the perl stuff manually and then things work just fine. I think the problem is with apt, not perl itself. // Ola -- - Ola Lundqvist --- / [EMAIL PROTECTED] Björnkärrsgatan 5 A.11 \ | [EMAIL PROTECTED] 584 36 LINKÖPING | | +46 (0)13-17 69 83 +46 (0)70-332 1551 | | http://www.opal.dhs.org UIN/icq: 4912500 | \ gpg/f.p.: 7090 A92B 18FE 7994 0C36 4FE4 18A1 B1CF 0FE5 3DD9 / ---
Re: PERL MAINTAINERS SUCK - COMPLETE MORONS
Matt Zimmerman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Well, if someone would like to configure the MTA that runs bugs.debian.org to > send CC's of all bug mail to another address, ... You mean something other than signing up for debian-bugs-dist and parsing the resulting traffic? I realize that debian-bugs-dist isn't the same as getting the _input_ to the BTS, but if you want to maintain the same bug tracking numbers you'll want the BTS to process the mail first in any case.
Re: PERL MAINTAINERS SUCK - COMPLETE MORONS
On Tue, Jan 09, 2001 at 09:52:41AM -0600, Adam Heath wrote: > > BTW. Why didn't you post a bug report about this? > > I did, I only bcc'd it to [EMAIL PROTECTED], so that replies wouldn't spam > the bts. I filed the critical Bug Report #80197 20 days ago... even the old perl packages where broken in the postinst more or less. For example the additional alternatives like the man page is not a slave link to the bin. Of course that is less of a problem, since it does not break the system, like perl-5.6 does. Greetings Bernd -- (OO) -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- ( .. ) [EMAIL PROTECTED],linux.de,debian.org} http://home.pages.de/~eckes/ o--o *plush* 2048/93600EFD [EMAIL PROTECTED] +497257930613 BE5-RIPE (OO) When cryptography is outlawed, bayl bhgynjf jvyy unir cevinpl!
Re: PERL MAINTAINERS SUCK - COMPLETE MORONS
On Tue, Jan 09, 2001 at 04:54:11PM +0100, Bas Zoetekouw wrote: [snip] > > ANY package that is needed by the packaging system(and this does not only > > include dpkg support scripts, but debconf, and some maintainer scripts, > > including adduser) NEEDS TO NOT BREAK PERIOD. [snip] > BTW: upgrading potato->sid is, in general, NOT broken (i just tested). [snip] I've heard this from one other person also. He says he never had a problem upgrading from potato to woody (before it was sid). However I have had this perl problem on every system I upgraded from potato to woody (and sid recently also). It is easily fixed by going into "/var/cache/apt/archives" and running a "dpkg -i" of "*perl*" before continuing with the upgrade. Last time, if I remember correctly it was "perl-5.6" that didn't get installed before trying to run the postinst of "vim". The symptoms are missing anythings in "@INC", which just means that you need 1 or 2 perl packages installed by hand first, which by now are allready downloaded into "/var/cache/apt/archives". The way I update is first to upgrade to the latest potato by running dselect (Update, Select, Install). Then go into /etc/apt/sources and change all instances of potato to sid. Then run dselect (Update, Select, Install) again. I have only upgraded 5 systems to woody/sid myself, but they all had this perl problem. -Ralph
Re: PERL MAINTAINERS SUCK - COMPLETE MORONS
On Tue, Jan 09, 2001 at 11:54:23AM -0600, Adam Heath wrote: > On Tue, 9 Jan 2001, Matt Zimmerman wrote: > > > It's long past time that the BTS had a real database backend. Since the > > code is being actively worked on, I assume there are reasons why this isn't > > feasible yet. Do you know what they are? Is there any way I can help? > > I have code that imports the bts data into a database. I stopped working on > it, not because it was hard, not because it was slow, but because I was > slapped in the face by other developers. Well, if someone would like to configure the MTA that runs bugs.debian.org to send CC's of all bug mail to another address, I will try to find someplace to host and develop a database-driven BTS. It could be maintained in parallel with the existing system, and its use would be optional. -- - mdz
Re: PERL MAINTAINERS SUCK - COMPLETE MORONS
On Tue, 9 Jan 2001, Matt Zimmerman wrote: > It's long past time that the BTS had a real database backend. Since the code > is being actively worked on, I assume there are reasons why this isn't > feasible > yet. Do you know what they are? Is there any way I can help? I have code that imports the bts data into a database. I stopped working on it, not because it was hard, not because it was slow, but because I was slapped in the face by other developers. BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK Version: 3.12 GCS d- s: a-- c+++ UL P+ L !E W+ M o+ K- W--- !O M- !V PS-- PE++ Y+ PGP++ t* 5++ X+ tv b+ D++ G e h*! !r z? -END GEEK CODE BLOCK- BEGIN PGP INFO Adam Heath <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Finger Print | KeyID 67 01 42 93 CA 37 FB 1E63 C9 80 1D 08 CF 84 0A | DE656B05 PGP AD46 C888 F587 F8A3 A6DA 3261 8A2C 7DC2 8BD4 A489 | 8BD4A489 GPG -END PGP INFO-
Re: PERL MAINTAINERS SUCK - COMPLETE MORONS
On Tue, Jan 09, 2001 at 11:42:06AM -0600, Adam Heath wrote: > On Tue, 9 Jan 2001, Matt Zimmerman wrote: > > > I thought the reason for switching from the generated HTML to CGIs was so > > that the pages could be dynamically generated, and we wouldn't have this > > problem. > > you're correct, that is the reason. But the indices take too long to fully > dynamically generate. They would have to read all the bug .status files, > every time they were requested, and then do sorts all the time. It's long past time that the BTS had a real database backend. Since the code is being actively worked on, I assume there are reasons why this isn't feasible yet. Do you know what they are? Is there any way I can help? -- - mdz
Re: PERL MAINTAINERS SUCK - COMPLETE MORONS
On Tue, 9 Jan 2001, Matt Zimmerman wrote: > I thought the reason for switching from the generated HTML to CGIs was so that > the pages could be dynamically generated, and we wouldn't have this problem. you're correct, that is the reason. But the indices take too long to fully dynamically generate. They would have to read all the bug .status files, every time they were requested, and then do sorts all the time. BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK Version: 3.12 GCS d- s: a-- c+++ UL P+ L !E W+ M o+ K- W--- !O M- !V PS-- PE++ Y+ PGP++ t* 5++ X+ tv b+ D++ G e h*! !r z? -END GEEK CODE BLOCK- BEGIN PGP INFO Adam Heath <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Finger Print | KeyID 67 01 42 93 CA 37 FB 1E63 C9 80 1D 08 CF 84 0A | DE656B05 PGP AD46 C888 F587 F8A3 A6DA 3261 8A2C 7DC2 8BD4 A489 | 8BD4A489 GPG -END PGP INFO-
Re: PERL MAINTAINERS SUCK - COMPLETE MORONS
On Tue, Jan 09, 2001 at 10:16:09AM -0600, Adam Heath wrote: > On Tue, 9 Jan 2001, Ron Rademaker wrote: > > > > > I checked BTS and the bug wasn't in BTS. > > Because the indices only run every 12 hours. Check 81679. I thought the reason for switching from the generated HTML to CGIs was so that the pages could be dynamically generated, and we wouldn't have this problem. -- - mdz
Re: PERL MAINTAINERS SUCK - COMPLETE MORONS
On Tue, 9 Jan 2001, Ron Rademaker wrote: > > I checked BTS and the bug wasn't in BTS. Because the indices only run every 12 hours. Check 81679. BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK Version: 3.12 GCS d- s: a-- c+++ UL P+ L !E W+ M o+ K- W--- !O M- !V PS-- PE++ Y+ PGP++ t* 5++ X+ tv b+ D++ G e h*! !r z? -END GEEK CODE BLOCK- BEGIN PGP INFO Adam Heath <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Finger Print | KeyID 67 01 42 93 CA 37 FB 1E63 C9 80 1D 08 CF 84 0A | DE656B05 PGP AD46 C888 F587 F8A3 A6DA 3261 8A2C 7DC2 8BD4 A489 | 8BD4A489 GPG -END PGP INFO-
Re: PERL MAINTAINERS SUCK - COMPLETE MORONS
On Tue, 9 Jan 2001, Jordi Mallach wrote: > On Tue, Jan 09, 2001 at 04:50:05PM +0100, Ron Rademaker wrote: > > Hmm, isn't sid called UNSTABLE, that means that if you want use it, there > > is a risk that things aren't exactly perfect (don't take perfect to > > seriously). > > That doesn't solve that perl's official maintainer broke the packages quite > badly and others had to NMU them as they were not getting fixed. > > > BTW. Why didn't you post a bug report about this? > > > Package: perl-5.6 > > > Severity: critical > > We need a higher severity? :) I checked BTS and the bug wasn't in BTS. Ron > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >
Re: PERL MAINTAINERS SUCK - COMPLETE MORONS
On Tue, Jan 09, 2001 at 04:50:05PM +0100, Ron Rademaker wrote: > Hmm, isn't sid called UNSTABLE, that means that if you want use it, there > is a risk that things aren't exactly perfect (don't take perfect to > seriously). That doesn't solve that perl's official maintainer broke the packages quite badly and others had to NMU them as they were not getting fixed. > BTW. Why didn't you post a bug report about this? > > Package: perl-5.6 > > Severity: critical We need a higher severity? :)
Re: PERL MAINTAINERS SUCK - COMPLETE MORONS
Hi Adam! You wrote: > ANY package that is needed by the packaging system(and this does not only > include dpkg support scripts, but debconf, and some maintainer scripts, > including adduser) NEEDS TO NOT BREAK PERIOD. Please calm down. If your specific thing doesn't work, OK, that's worth a bug report. It is not worth a flame. Also, even IF perl would be broken, please think about what ``unstable'' means exactly. BTW: upgrading potato->sid is, in general, NOT broken (i just tested). -- Kind regards, +---+ | Bas Zoetekouw | Si l'on sait exactement ce | || que l'on va faire, a quoi| | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | bon le faire?| |[EMAIL PROTECTED] | Pablo Picasso | +---+
Re: PERL MAINTAINERS SUCK - COMPLETE MORONS
On Tue, 9 Jan 2001, Ron Rademaker wrote: > Hmm, isn't sid called UNSTABLE, that means that if you want use it, there > is a risk that things aren't exactly perfect (don't take perfect to > seriously). > Not that long ago I upgraded one of my machines from woody to sid, now > it's running perl 5.6 and I didn't have any trouble upgrading at all! I didn't upgrade from woody. I upgraded from potato. This problem has existed from the moment perl 5.6 was uploaded to unstable(which means months). > BTW. Why didn't you post a bug report about this? I did, I only bcc'd it to [EMAIL PROTECTED], so that replies wouldn't spam the bts. BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK Version: 3.12 GCS d- s: a-- c+++ UL P+ L !E W+ M o+ K- W--- !O M- !V PS-- PE++ Y+ PGP++ t* 5++ X+ tv b+ D++ G e h*! !r z? -END GEEK CODE BLOCK- BEGIN PGP INFO Adam Heath <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Finger Print | KeyID 67 01 42 93 CA 37 FB 1E63 C9 80 1D 08 CF 84 0A | DE656B05 PGP AD46 C888 F587 F8A3 A6DA 3261 8A2C 7DC2 8BD4 A489 | 8BD4A489 GPG -END PGP INFO-
Re: PERL MAINTAINERS SUCK - COMPLETE MORONS
Hmm, isn't sid called UNSTABLE, that means that if you want use it, there is a risk that things aren't exactly perfect (don't take perfect to seriously). Not that long ago I upgraded one of my machines from woody to sid, now it's running perl 5.6 and I didn't have any trouble upgrading at all! BTW. Why didn't you post a bug report about this? Ron Rademaker On Tue, 9 Jan 2001, Adam Heath wrote: > Package: perl-5.6 > Severity: critical > > Scenario: Install new machine with potato. Configure all packages that come > with a default minimal install. Run dpkg --get-selections on a working > half-potato/half-sid machine. Run dpkg --set-selections on the new > machine. apt-get dselect-upgrade. perl goes blam. > > Perl 5.6 gets installed, removes alternative support. Then perl 5.004 gets > installed, reinstates alternatives. > > THIS IS BROKEN. AT THIS POINT, USERS CAN NOT UPGRADE FROM POTATO TO ANYTHING > THAT CONTAINS PERL 5.6. > > Can we please oust the current perl maintainer(s)? They don't care about the > state of their packages. There is even an existing bug(with patch, has > existed for 143 days) to fix a removal of /usr/local/lib during remove. > > ANY package that is needed by the packaging system(and this does not only > include dpkg support scripts, but debconf, and some maintainer scripts, > including adduser) NEEDS TO NOT BREAK PERIOD. > > BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK > Version: 3.12 > GCS d- s: a-- c+++ UL P+ L !E W+ M o+ K- W--- !O M- !V PS-- > PE++ Y+ PGP++ t* 5++ X+ tv b+ D++ G e h*! !r z? > -END GEEK CODE BLOCK- > BEGIN PGP INFO > Adam Heath <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Finger Print | KeyID > 67 01 42 93 CA 37 FB 1E63 C9 80 1D 08 CF 84 0A | DE656B05 PGP > AD46 C888 F587 F8A3 A6DA 3261 8A2C 7DC2 8BD4 A489 | 8BD4A489 GPG > -END PGP INFO- > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >
PERL MAINTAINERS SUCK - COMPLETE MORONS
Package: perl-5.6 Severity: critical Scenario: Install new machine with potato. Configure all packages that come with a default minimal install. Run dpkg --get-selections on a working half-potato/half-sid machine. Run dpkg --set-selections on the new machine. apt-get dselect-upgrade. perl goes blam. Perl 5.6 gets installed, removes alternative support. Then perl 5.004 gets installed, reinstates alternatives. THIS IS BROKEN. AT THIS POINT, USERS CAN NOT UPGRADE FROM POTATO TO ANYTHING THAT CONTAINS PERL 5.6. Can we please oust the current perl maintainer(s)? They don't care about the state of their packages. There is even an existing bug(with patch, has existed for 143 days) to fix a removal of /usr/local/lib during remove. ANY package that is needed by the packaging system(and this does not only include dpkg support scripts, but debconf, and some maintainer scripts, including adduser) NEEDS TO NOT BREAK PERIOD. BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK Version: 3.12 GCS d- s: a-- c+++ UL P+ L !E W+ M o+ K- W--- !O M- !V PS-- PE++ Y+ PGP++ t* 5++ X+ tv b+ D++ G e h*! !r z? -END GEEK CODE BLOCK- BEGIN PGP INFO Adam Heath <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Finger Print | KeyID 67 01 42 93 CA 37 FB 1E63 C9 80 1D 08 CF 84 0A | DE656B05 PGP AD46 C888 F587 F8A3 A6DA 3261 8A2C 7DC2 8BD4 A489 | 8BD4A489 GPG -END PGP INFO-
