Re: Pandora is born
Christian T. Steigies [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: only one question, were have the uploads landed? I mean, I am very happy that I got confirmation messages, but now I have REJECTED: Rejected: gnupg_0.9.5-1_m68k.deb: Old version 9.5-1' = new version 9.5-1'. but I cant find it on nonus in Incoming/REJECTED? Those files are in /org/non-us.debian.org/incoming/REJECT And what does this mean: (new) pgp-us_2.6.3a-5_m68k.deb optional non-us/utils WARNING: Already present in non-free distribution. I got this kind of message for several pacakges. This is wrong, isnt it? I see that many people are making this error. I'll make an announcement to devel-announce about it. Guy
Re: Pandora is born
On Mon, May 10, 1999 at 03:33:54PM -0700, Joseph Carter wrote: : Um, non-us has been terribly broken since BEFORE I was a developer. In : fact, it was broken when I first installed Bo a year and a half ago. : : And the biggest rub of all has been that the archive maintainers couldn't : do anything about the problems. They would have liked to. The maintainers that wanted to help (Richard (?) and Guy) had and have the same archive access as me. And as far as I can remember -- the problem were in order of occurence: - backlog in incoming (yes, was not solved for a long time) - archive layout similar to the main archive (not yet solved -- some coordination needed) - downtime (due to broken hardware - has been solved with a donated harddisk (paid by me with donations from selling Debian CDs)) - archive access for archive maintainers (not solved for a long time due to administrative restrictions -- would have been solved if we had have a new, separate machine ... you know, where the machine is now) Best Regards from Dresden/Germany Heiko -- [internet unix support - Heiko Schlittermann] [a href=http://debian.schlittermann.de/; Debian 2.1 CD /a] [Heiko Schlittermann HS12-RIPE finger:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -] [pgp: A1 7D F6 7B 69 73 48 35 E1 DE 21 A7 A8 9A 77 92 ---]
Re: Pandora is born
Hi, several of my uploads to non-us have been processed last night. Now I have only one question, were have the uploads landed? I mean, I am very happy that I got confirmation messages, but now I have REJECTED: Rejected: gnupg_0.9.5-1_m68k.deb: Old version 9.5-1' = new version 9.5-1'. but I cant find it on nonus in Incoming/REJECTED? And what does this mean: (new) pgp-us_2.6.3a-5_m68k.deb optional non-us/utils WARNING: Already present in non-free distribution. I got this kind of message for several pacakges. This is wrong, isnt it? Ciao, Christian.
Re: Pandora is born
On 9 May 1999, Guy Maor wrote: Debian DNS administrators, please change nonus.debian.org to be a CNAME for pandora.debian.org. Okay, I will send an email to the mirrors list and switch it over sometime Tuesday evening. This switch will cause them all to fetch the whole archive again, but it is very small. We also need to get Hieko to make his site a mirror, people mirror off him through names we do not control :| Debian Maintainers, the nonus incoming directory is /org/nonus.debian.org/incoming on pandora. Any anonymous upload queues for nonus should be converted to upload to there. All maintainers should have an account on pandora. Please email [EMAIL PROTECTED] if you do not, also send a pgpg signed email if you forgot your password (and your ssh key doesn't work..) Jason
Re: Pandora is born
On Mon, May 10, 1999 at 01:23:28AM -0600, Jason Gunthorpe wrote: : On 9 May 1999, Guy Maor wrote: : Debian DNS administrators, please change nonus.debian.org to be a : CNAME for pandora.debian.org. That's what I call `democracy'. :-( -- Sorry. Heiko -- [internet unix support - Heiko Schlittermann] [a href=http://debian.schlittermann.de/; Debian 2.1 CD /a] [Heiko Schlittermann HS12-RIPE finger:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -] [pgp: A1 7D F6 7B 69 73 48 35 E1 DE 21 A7 A8 9A 77 92 ---]
Re: Pandora is born
On Mon, May 10, 1999 at 09:30:59AM +0200, Heiko Schlittermann wrote: : Debian DNS administrators, please change nonus.debian.org to be a : CNAME for pandora.debian.org. That's what I call `democracy'. :-( -- Sorry. Um, non-us has been terribly broken since BEFORE I was a developer. In fact, it was broken when I first installed Bo a year and a half ago. You have yourself pointed out a number of problems including lack of diskspace for the mirror and the inability to give the archive maintainers an account which could administer the system (or even at least just the portion of the ssytem that contained the mirror..) I don't mean to sound harsh here, but given all the problems with non-us and its current (still) broken state, a vote would have returned something like 399 to 1 that pandora be where it is. -- Joseph Carter [EMAIL PROTECTED]Debian GNU/Linux developer PGP: E8D68481E3A8BB77 8EE22996C9445FBEThe Source Comes First! - * boren tosses matlab across the room and hopes it breaks into a number aproaching infinite peices pgpJLpEcFlsB1.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Pandora is born
On Mon, May 10, 1999 at 01:43:09AM -0700, Joseph Carter wrote: : On Mon, May 10, 1999 at 09:30:59AM +0200, Heiko Schlittermann wrote: : : Debian DNS administrators, please change nonus.debian.org to be a : : CNAME for pandora.debian.org. : : That's what I call `democracy'. :-( -- Sorry. I meant the way decisions are made. The discussion about a new nonus server has been here and in personal mails about 1 .. 3 months before, but with no real conclusion. [ The only result was, that some people (including Guy) wanted to help -- but didn't (this is no critism, it's only a fact). ] : You have yourself pointed out a number of problems including lack of : diskspace for the mirror and the inability to give the archive Diskspace problems have been solved a long time ago. Archive access was given to the people who wanted to help. : maintainers an account which could administer the system (or even at : least just the portion of the ssytem that contained the mirror..) The mirror and the nonus server are different things. : I don't mean to sound harsh here, but given all the problems with non-us : and its current (still) broken state, a vote would have returned The very current state is that incoming is closed since it was misused. But this state would have been changed in the next days. Best Regards from Dresden/Germany Heiko -- [internet unix support - Heiko Schlittermann] [a href=http://debian.schlittermann.de/; Debian 2.1 CD /a] [Heiko Schlittermann HS12-RIPE finger:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -] [pgp: A1 7D F6 7B 69 73 48 35 E1 DE 21 A7 A8 9A 77 92 ---]
Re: Pandora is born
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Joseph Carter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Um, non-us has been terribly broken since BEFORE I was a developer. In fact, it was broken when I first installed Bo a year and a half ago. Not to mention that the European connectivity of pandora is _way_ better than that of the current nonus. It's in Germany and I can't even reach it most of the time from the Netherlands (and that's nextdoor). That's because the Dutch scientific network (Surfnet) has a very open peering policy while the German one (DFN) has a very closed peering policy, alas. Mike. -- Indifference will certainly be the downfall of mankind, but who cares?
Re: Pandora is born
On Mon, May 10, 1999 at 12:36:33PM +0200, Miquel van Smoorenburg wrote: In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Joseph Carter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Um, non-us has been terribly broken since BEFORE I was a developer. In fact, it was broken when I first installed Bo a year and a half ago. Not to mention that the European connectivity of pandora is _way_ better than that of the current nonus. It's in Germany and I can't even reach it most of the time from the Netherlands (and that's nextdoor). Not just European connectivity; to pandora I get 100% return, ~600ms; [11:07pm] [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~ ping nonus.debian.org PING dresden.de.debian.org (141.76.20.99): 56 data bytes 64 bytes from 141.76.20.99: icmp_seq=0 ttl=42 time=1325.5 ms 64 bytes from 141.76.20.99: icmp_seq=3 ttl=42 time=840.7 ms 64 bytes from 141.76.20.99: icmp_seq=5 ttl=42 time=1158.9 ms 64 bytes from 141.76.20.99: icmp_seq=6 ttl=42 time=814.5 ms 64 bytes from 141.76.20.99: icmp_seq=7 ttl=42 time=823.1 ms 64 bytes from 141.76.20.99: icmp_seq=8 ttl=42 time=881.2 ms 64 bytes from 141.76.20.99: icmp_seq=9 ttl=42 time=980.8 ms 64 bytes from 141.76.20.99: icmp_seq=10 ttl=42 time=933.7 ms 64 bytes from 141.76.20.99: icmp_seq=11 ttl=42 time=863.9 ms --- dresden.de.debian.org ping statistics --- 13 packets transmitted, 9 packets received, 30% packet loss round-trip min/avg/max = 814.5/958.0/1325.5 ms :-( -- Hamish Moffatt VK3SB (ex-VK3TYD). CCs of replies from mailing lists are welcome.
Re: Pandora is born
On Mon, May 10, 1999 at 01:43:09AM -0700, Joseph Carter wrote: On Mon, May 10, 1999 at 09:30:59AM +0200, Heiko Schlittermann wrote: : Debian DNS administrators, please change nonus.debian.org to be a : CNAME for pandora.debian.org. That's what I call `democracy'. :-( -- Sorry. Um, non-us has been terribly broken since BEFORE I was a developer. In fact, it was broken when I first installed Bo a year and a half ago. I think you're exagerating here, and that doesn't help the situation one bit. Hamish -- Hamish Moffatt VK3SB (ex-VK3TYD). CCs of replies from mailing lists are welcome. pgpYTgAk6hCmw.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Pandora is born
Joseph Carter [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Um, non-us has been terribly broken since BEFORE I was a developer. In fact, it was broken when I first installed Bo a year and a half ago. Newbie ;-) You have yourself pointed out a number of problems including lack of diskspace Hasn't been the concern for non-US. Unless you count a defect disk drive as lack of diskspace. and the inability to give the archive maintainers an account which could administer the system (or even at least just the portion of the ssytem that contained the mirror..) Well, we don't have multiple systems on one iron. A separate system would have solved this, and some months ago Wichert offered a sponsored box (probably the one that is pandora now ?). Wichert seems to prefer to run non-us in his neighbourhood. Hope we won't get a Debian Leader in China. Or Island, Tuvalu, wherever ;-) Sven -- Sven Rudolph [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.sax.de/~sr1/
Re: Pandora is born
On Mon, May 10, 1999 at 11:09:18PM +1000, Hamish Moffatt wrote: : Debian DNS administrators, please change nonus.debian.org to be a : CNAME for pandora.debian.org. That's what I call `democracy'. :-( -- Sorry. Um, non-us has been terribly broken since BEFORE I was a developer. In fact, it was broken when I first installed Bo a year and a half ago. I think you're exagerating here, and that doesn't help the situation one bit. No, I don't think so. Prior to apt learning to cope with a down server when it comes time to do an update, I was CONSTANTLY having to add and remove non-us because it was down. Don't even get me started on the uncoming backlog, that non-us was supposed to have around the time of the hmm release moved to a main/contrib/non-free real soon now, and the host of other problems we've had with it. And the biggest rub of all has been that the archive maintainers couldn't do anything about the problems. They would have liked to. -- Joseph Carter [EMAIL PROTECTED]Debian GNU/Linux developer PGP: E8D68481E3A8BB77 8EE22996C9445FBEThe Source Comes First! - * SynrG notes that the number of configuration questions to answer in sendmail is NON-TRIVIAL pgpK8iJbKDJoZ.pgp Description: PGP signature
