Re: Plug applications into browsers

2007-02-26 Thread Howard Young

Hello,

Wouter Verhelst wrote:

If you want to write a plugin, however (as opposed to an applet that is
shown on a page), then you could indeed use the netscape plugin API
(which is supported by almost every browser for the Linux platform). You
should probably ask the mozilla people about that, though.

  

Thank you!


Regards

Howard


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Re: Plug applications into browsers

2007-02-26 Thread Howard Young

Hendrik,

This was more or less what I wanted to be assured of.

Hendrik Sattler wrote:

Am Mittwoch 21 Februar 2007 12:11 schrieb Howard Young:
  
This very much depends on what you want to do.
Netscape-style plugins work in many browsers, e.g. konqueror can use them, 
too, like it uses the plugin for flash.
  

I will go and gleam what I can from the Netscape documentation.
If you want media streaming, every platform comes with integrated media 
players (konqueror-kaffeine, IE-WMP).
  
It is useful for me to gain knowledge about how these things are 
integrated and can be accessed from what I write. But not really my 
initial objective.
If you want an interactive application, you can use Java, Flash or use some 
Web2.0 stuff.
  

I have never heard of Web2.0 before? I will go and find out what this is.

But this is not the right list to discuss web development stuff.
  

Know you of such a list??
I will take Wouter's advice and look through Mozilla pages.

Thank you

Howard


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Re: Plug applications into browsers

2007-02-26 Thread Howard Young

Ron Johnson wrote:

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Howard,

I can guarantee you that ActiveX plug-ins don't and won't work in
Linux-native browsers.
  
I am guessing you think I mean to use ActiveX through WINE or some such 
thing?
Do not worry that had not been my intention I was always to wary of WINE 
for my own reasons (not sure even how to use it for running stuff 
written for Windows).
So no, no ActiveX on Linux, just stuff written in a compiled language 
and accessed via its integration with the browser.


...you now make me think! I wonder if it is possible to talk to programs 
running using WINE? (not from browsers I just mean write for example a 
console program that reports what WINE is running by looking at what 
calls are being made to what I assume is the running code for an API 
implementation.)
I suppose? it is possible but not without knowing a lot about WINE or if 
there is already some utility for restricting software being run.

Java was designed for WORA.  Use it!
  

What is WORA? (sorry not too hot on definitions).


Regards

Howard


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Re: Plug applications into browsers

2007-02-26 Thread Sam Hocevar
On Mon, Feb 26, 2007, Howard Young wrote:

 I have never heard of Web2.0 before? I will go and find out what this is.

   Now you are some lucky person.

   You may also want to look at XSwallow:
http://www.skynet.ie/~caolan/Packages/XSwallow.html

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Re: Plug applications into browsers

2007-02-22 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Wed, Feb 21, 2007 at 11:11:02AM +, Howard Young wrote:
 Hello
 
 I had wanted to use MSYS to develop for the other platform. Most of my 
 experience is with WIN32 API, ATL3/COM+ and DirectX on the other platform.
 
 Ron Johnson wrote:
 Huh?  ActiveX is woven deeply into, and relies upon the Win32 API.
   
 Yes.
 
 1 I want to develop on Linux only. Writing:
 a) An Active X for Windows

which makes development time go down a little, because you can write
'native' applications

 b) Linux equivalent

Which doubles development time, since you have to do the same thing over
again

 c) MacOS equivalent through QT

Triples

 d) Java applet (for all)

Quadruples. Then again, you can just stick to Java and keep it at that.

If you want to write a plugin, however (as opposed to an applet that is
shown on a page), then you could indeed use the netscape plugin API
(which is supported by almost every browser for the Linux platform). You
should probably ask the mozilla people about that, though.

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Re: Plug applications into browsers

2007-02-21 Thread Howard Young

Hello

I had wanted to use MSYS to develop for the other platform. Most of my 
experience is with WIN32 API, ATL3/COM+ and DirectX on the other platform.


Ron Johnson wrote:

Huh?  ActiveX is woven deeply into, and relies upon the Win32 API.
  

Yes.

1 I want to develop on Linux only. Writing:
a) An Active X for Windows
b) Linux equivalent
c) MacOS equivalent through QT
d) Java applet (for all)
e) Some other platform bits I need not bother you with.

I suppose you might take example from one of the cooperate AV companies 
who have an executable for each platform the target.

For more than a decade, Java and JavaScript applets have been able
to run from within the Netscape browser.

What exactly do *you* mean by plug-in?
  

For example a stream client.
I will use Java but I want a backup.
On all platforms it seems possible to write a separate application but 
in no real way integrated with the browser.
Obviously I am being a little lazy by asking if anyone has heard of such 
a thing so that I can make use of that information however it seemed 
sensible since I have looked, not found and will now head for the 
development documentation for all browsers as a sensible path.
There are however other ways round which may be more realistic than a 
plug in for each browser.
With Windows because of the way programs can be enclosed development 
time is reduced a little. If this translates to Linux or perhaps just 
per browser that is a benefit.


Realistically these questions should perhaps go to every single browser 
mailing list but it seemed sensible to ask here first.




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Re: Plug applications into browsers

2007-02-21 Thread Hendrik Sattler
Am Mittwoch 21 Februar 2007 12:11 schrieb Howard Young:
 For example a stream client.
 I will use Java but I want a backup.
 On all platforms it seems possible to write a separate application but
 in no real way integrated with the browser.

This very much depends on what you want to do.
Netscape-style plugins work in many browsers, e.g. konqueror can use them, 
too, like it uses the plugin for flash.

If you want media streaming, every platform comes with integrated media 
players (konqueror-kaffeine, IE-WMP).

If you want an interactive application, you can use Java, Flash or use some 
Web2.0 stuff.

But this is not the right list to discuss web development stuff.

HS


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Plug applications into browsers

2007-02-20 Thread Howard Young

Has anyone ever tried writing an ActiveX on Linux to use with IE.
...Has anyone ever tried writing a program that will work as a plug-in 
on Linux (to work in as many browsers as possible).
I know Java is a possible candidate for various things but I would 
rather have some sort of alternative when my Java programs are not an 
option for the client.


If there is any information on discussion about this (except for lengthy 
discussions just talking over how insecure IE ActiveX are) then I would 
be interested to know.
I will otherwise be looking into documentation for each browser and how 
to write plug-in individually.


H. Young


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