Re: I need to know how to create and use Driver Update Disks
On Tue, Aug 02, 2005 at 06:03:50PM +0200, Frans Pop wrote: > On Tuesday 02 August 2005 17:35, Allyn, MarkX A wrote: > > We have some patches that have already be open sourced (ICH7) and are > > in the 2.6.11 and above kernels. > > > > What we need to do is to provide a Driver Update Disk so that someone > > who is using the 2.6.8 kernel supplied by the stable release (Sarge) can > > do an install on a ICH7 based system. > > I think the best thing to do is to contact the Debian kernel team at > debian-kernel@lists.debian.org and discuss the options for the stable > kernels with them. > > The Debian package system does not really like packages (your driver > update) replacing files that belong to another package (the official > Debian kernel-image package). This means the best option would be to get > the patches included in an update of the 2.6.8 kernel (which is being > prepared at the moment). Yes, please send them to the kernel team. It looks like non-security kernel updates are going to be handled using volitile. And driver fixes that are already upstream are fair game for inclusion IMHO. In the slightly longer term we are thinking of puting something like 2.4.12 into volatile, I assume this would cover the changes you are after. Actually, better still grab the kernel tree from svn and start adding them locally to your copy of that. If you can get that working it makes it a lot easier for the kernel team to drop in your changes. > The other team that should be involved is the Debian Installer team (at > debian-boot@lists.debian.org). Getting out a separate driver update does > not mean it will automatically be usable by the installation system; > again getting the patches into the offical Debian kernels would be best. > The installer team is currently working on a new version of the > installation system using the 2.6.12 kernel, but it is not yet sure if > users will be able to use that to install Sarge. > > It very much depends on the nature of the patches if they will be accepted > for Sarge. I am fairly dubious about being able to do non-security updates to sarge. Rather I think volatile might be the best avenue for these kind of fixes. -- Horms -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: I need to know how to create and use Driver Update Disks
On Tuesday 02 August 2005 09:03 am, Frans Pop wrote: > The Debian package system does not really like packages (your driver > update) replacing files that belong to another package (the official > Debian kernel-image package). This means the best option would be to get > the patches included in an update of the 2.6.8 kernel (which is being > prepared at the moment). I think you could resolve the packaging issue with diverts if necessary. Daniel -- /--- Daniel Burrows <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> --\ | "But what *does* kill me bloody well leaves me dead!" | | -- Terry Pratchett, _Carpe Jugulum_ | \ Got APT? -- Debian GNU/Linux http://www.debian.org ---/ pgpbxRgWLF4gr.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: I need to know how to create and use Driver Update Disks
On Tuesday 02 August 2005 23:03, Allyn, MarkX A wrote: > Right now, I am doing tests to determine if the 2.6.11 kernel that I > have found in Etch is capable of accessing the ICH7 devices in our > equipment. If it doesn't, then I plan to come up with a patch for > the 2.6.11 kernel in Etch for the kernel group. I doubt that is really useful. The 2.6.11 kernel is unlikely to live long after the packaging for the 2.6.12 kernels is stabilized. As I suggested earlier, IMO you should really take this to the d-kernel list instead of d-devel. Cheers, Frans Pop pgpLUP1aJCX8Y.pgp Description: PGP signature
RE: I need to know how to create and use Driver Update Disks
-Original Message- From: Rob Taylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 10:13 AM To: debian-devel@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: I need to know how to create and use Driver Update Disks >> The Debian package system does not really like packages (your driver >> update) replacing files that belong to another package (the official >> Debian kernel-image package). This means the best option would be to get >> the patches included in an update of the 2.6.8 kernel (which is being >> prepared at the moment). >If he produces a new kernel module to add support for this hardware, >there's absolutely no reason why it should conflict with linux-kernel. >Given that it's not a security fix, would he really have much luck >getting a patch into stable's kernel? This is what I anticipate doing. As there is a period of time between when I submit my patches against the Sarge 2.6.8 kernel and when (or if) the appear in Sarge; I will need something for customers to use so that then can still install the present Sarge onto a system that requires the drivers. In one case, the kernel that is used by the installer will need the patches; otherwise the installer will not be able to access the hard drive. Right now, I am doing tests to determine if the 2.6.11 kernel that I have found in Etch is capable of accessing the ICH7 devices in our equipment. If it doesn't, then I plan to come up with a patch for the 2.6.11 kernel in Etch for the kernel group. Mark
Re: I need to know how to create and use Driver Update Disks
On Tue, 2005-08-02 at 18:03 +0200, Frans Pop wrote: > On Tuesday 02 August 2005 17:35, Allyn, MarkX A wrote: > > We have some patches that have already be open sourced (ICH7) and are > > in the 2.6.11 and above kernels. > > > > What we need to do is to provide a Driver Update Disk so that someone > > who is using the 2.6.8 kernel supplied by the stable release (Sarge) can > > do an install on a ICH7 based system. > > I think the best thing to do is to contact the Debian kernel team at > debian-kernel@lists.debian.org and discuss the options for the stable > kernels with them. > > The Debian package system does not really like packages (your driver > update) replacing files that belong to another package (the official > Debian kernel-image package). This means the best option would be to get > the patches included in an update of the 2.6.8 kernel (which is being > prepared at the moment). If he produces a new kernel module to add support for this hardware, there's absolutely no reason why it should conflict with linux-kernel. Given that it's not a security fix, would he really have much luck getting a patch into stable's kernel? Rob Taylor -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: I need to know how to create and use Driver Update Disks
On Tuesday 02 August 2005 17:35, Allyn, MarkX A wrote: > We have some patches that have already be open sourced (ICH7) and are > in the 2.6.11 and above kernels. > > What we need to do is to provide a Driver Update Disk so that someone > who is using the 2.6.8 kernel supplied by the stable release (Sarge) can > do an install on a ICH7 based system. I think the best thing to do is to contact the Debian kernel team at debian-kernel@lists.debian.org and discuss the options for the stable kernels with them. The Debian package system does not really like packages (your driver update) replacing files that belong to another package (the official Debian kernel-image package). This means the best option would be to get the patches included in an update of the 2.6.8 kernel (which is being prepared at the moment). The other team that should be involved is the Debian Installer team (at debian-boot@lists.debian.org). Getting out a separate driver update does not mean it will automatically be usable by the installation system; again getting the patches into the offical Debian kernels would be best. The installer team is currently working on a new version of the installation system using the 2.6.12 kernel, but it is not yet sure if users will be able to use that to install Sarge. It very much depends on the nature of the patches if they will be accepted for Sarge. Your interest is very much appreciated though. Cheers, Frans Pop pgpAoFbrkVNlB.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: I need to know how to create and use Driver Update Disks
On Mon, 2005-08-01 at 13:51 -0700, Allyn, MarkX A wrote: > Hello: > > I will be needing to create driver update disks for some device drivers > that we have in development. > > I also need to know how to use them. > > Can anyone please provide me with a pointer on where I can get > instructions > on creating and using driver update disks? > > Or are they simply a collection of .deb files for device drivers? can you be more specific? are you developing closed source kernel modules, or are these drivers open source? If you can open then (and I *heavily* recommend you do, otherwise you will spend many tens of thousands of dollars playing catchup with every kernel in every distribution), then you should inquire on the linux-kernel mailing list who the best person is to deal with your patches. If you are producing closed-source kernel modules, and have chosen which distros you wish to support - I presume you wish to support Debian Sarge - then you need to produce packages with that kernel module, compiled against the kernel(s) used by that distribution. For sarge, i suggest you investigate module-assistant and other packages that use module-assistant (can someone else help with a good example?) Thanks, Rob Taylor -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: I need to know how to create and use Driver Update Disks
Thank you Rob. Here is the situation that I have: We have some patches that have already be open sourced (ICH7) and are in the 2.6.11 and above kernels. What we need to do is to provide a Driver Update Disk so that someone who is using the 2.6.8 kernel supplied by the stable release (Sarge) can do an install on a ICH7 based system. The current un-ICH7 patched 2.6.8 kernel on Sarge will not install on a ICH7 system. The kernel used by the installer, as well as the kernel that is installed, need to have the ICH7 patches applied. We fully understand that the patched files must be loadable modules that can be loaded into an already running kernel. We anticipate this to be a stopgap measure until the 2.6.11 kernel goes into production (when Etch takes the place of Sarge). At that point, this need should go away. Mark -Original Message- From: Rob Taylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 8:28 AM To: Allyn, MarkX A Cc: debian-devel@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: I need to know how to create and use Driver Update Disks On Mon, 2005-08-01 at 13:51 -0700, Allyn, MarkX A wrote: > Hello: > > I will be needing to create driver update disks for some device drivers > that we have in development. > > I also need to know how to use them. > > Can anyone please provide me with a pointer on where I can get > instructions > on creating and using driver update disks? > > Or are they simply a collection of .deb files for device drivers? can you be more specific? are you developing closed source kernel modules, or are these drivers open source? If you can open then (and I *heavily* recommend you do, otherwise you will spend many tens of thousands of dollars playing catchup with every kernel in every distribution), then you should inquire on the linux-kernel mailing list who the best person is to deal with your patches. If you are producing closed-source kernel modules, and have chosen which distros you wish to support - I presume you wish to support Debian Sarge - then you need to produce packages with that kernel module, compiled against the kernel(s) used by that distribution. For sarge, i suggest you investigate module-assistant and other packages that use module-assistant (can someone else help with a good example?) Thanks, Rob Taylor
Re: I need to know how to create and use Driver Update Disks
On Mon, Aug 01, 2005 at 01:51:10PM -0700, Allyn, MarkX A wrote: > Hello: > > I will be needing to create driver update disks for some device drivers > that we have in development. > > I also need to know how to use them. > > Can anyone please provide me with a pointer on where I can get > instructions > on creating and using driver update disks? > > Or are they simply a collection of .deb files for device drivers? > > Thank you > > Mark Allyn Hi Mark, In the windows words, 'Devices' need 'Device drivers' (maybe dlls). In the uni*x world we have a kernel that uses kernel modules for 'hardware' devices. If you have a piece of hardware that is not functioning, it needs the correct kernel modules and the kernel modules has to be compatible with the kernel. If you give details of what hardware you need supported, someone can suggest which kernel you need and what kernel modules are needed to support it. Cheers, Kev -- counter.li.org #238656 -- goto counter.li.org and be counted! `$' $' $ $ _ ,d$$$g$ ,d$$$b. $,d$$$b`$' g$b $,d$$b ,$P' `$ ,$P' `Y$ $$' `$ $ "' `$ $$' `$ $$ $ $$g$ $ $ $ ,$P"" $ $$ `$g. ,$$ `$$._ _. $ _,g$P $ `$b. ,$$ $$ `Y$$P'$. `YP $$$P"' ,$. `Y$$P'$ $. ,$. signature.asc Description: Digital signature
