Re: {R,I[INEW]}TP: free ssh [non-US]

1999-10-01 Thread Jason Gunthorpe

On 30 Sep 1999, James Troup wrote:

> OpenBSD have started working on the last free SSH (1.2.12 was under a
> DFSG free license AFAICT[1]), they also, (again AFAICT [I'm going by
> the CVS commits]), are ripping out the patented algrothims (IDEA,
> etc.).  Unfortunately, I'm chronically busy with work and haven't had

This is very exciting, ssh is one of the few remaining non-free programs
that debian relies on, it would be very nice to get a real replacement.

Can someone corfirm the DFSGness of it?

Jason



Re: {R,I[INEW]}TP: free ssh [non-US]

1999-10-01 Thread Sean 'Shaleh' Perry

On 01-Oct-99 Jason Gunthorpe wrote:
> 
> On 30 Sep 1999, James Troup wrote:
> 
>> OpenBSD have started working on the last free SSH (1.2.12 was under a
>> DFSG free license AFAICT[1]), they also, (again AFAICT [I'm going by
>> the CVS commits]), are ripping out the patented algrothims (IDEA,
>> etc.).  Unfortunately, I'm chronically busy with work and haven't had
> 
> This is very exciting, ssh is one of the few remaining non-free programs
> that debian relies on, it would be very nice to get a real replacement.
> 
> Can someone corfirm the DFSGness of it?
> 

The old ssh was free.  The license this ships with is very BSD.  The code all
says it is ok as well.

Seems ok, openbsd are fanatics about licenses and security, so I doubt they
would do something as stupid as include a non-free ssh.



Re: {R,I[INEW]}TP: free ssh [non-US]

1999-10-01 Thread Herbert Xu
James Troup <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> So, I tentatively announce a preliminary ITP, pending confirming that
> their hacked version is indeed DSFG free.  _But_, I'd much rather
> someone with more free time would do it instead.  So, please, someone
> else (who doesn't live in the USA) have a look/go...

The license issues seem to be sorted out for me.  So I'll have a go at it.
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Re: {R,I[INEW]}TP: free ssh [non-US]

1999-10-01 Thread Philip Hands
James Troup <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> Hi,
> 
> OpenBSD have started working on the last free SSH (1.2.12 was under a
> DFSG free license AFAICT[1]), they also, (again AFAICT [I'm going by
> the CVS commits]), are ripping out the patented algrothims (IDEA,
> etc.).  Unfortunately, I'm chronically busy with work and haven't had
> time to look into it, but all the signs look very good (they appear to
> have added it as part of their base system, for example).

Damn, I thought I knew ssh had been free at one point, but when I
noticed the non-free license in the late teens, I obviously failed to
go back far enough to find the free version.

Anyway, I'll take it, given that I do ssh anyway it should be little
extra hassle (unless anyone thinks that Data Fellows could use that as
an excuse for calling any work I do as copyright infringement, but
that doesn't strike me as likely)

I'll probably end up calling the new package ssh-free

Cheers, Phil.



Re: {R,I[INEW]}TP: free ssh [non-US]

1999-10-01 Thread Joel Klecker
At 09:55 +0100 1999-10-01, Philip Hands wrote:
James Troup <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
OpenBSD have started working on the last free SSH (1.2.12 was under a
DFSG free license AFAICT[1]), they also, (again AFAICT [I'm going by
the CVS commits]), are ripping out the patented algrothims (IDEA,
etc.).  Unfortunately, I'm chronically busy with work and haven't had
time to look into it, but all the signs look very good (they appear to
have added it as part of their base system, for example).
Damn, I thought I knew ssh had been free at one point, but when I
noticed the non-free license in the late teens, I obviously failed to
go back far enough to find the free version.
I'll probably end up calling the new package ssh-free
Note that OpenBSD is also ripping out support for pretty much any 
other other OS as they go,  and using library functions that are 
OpenBSD-specific.
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Re: {R,I[INEW]}TP: free ssh [non-US]

1999-10-01 Thread James Troup
Joel Klecker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> At 09:55 +0100 1999-10-01, Philip Hands wrote:
> >James Troup <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> >> OpenBSD have started working on the last free SSH (1.2.12 was under a
> >> DFSG free license AFAICT[1]), they also, (again AFAICT [I'm going by
> >> the CVS commits]), are ripping out the patented algrothims (IDEA,
> >> etc.).  Unfortunately, I'm chronically busy with work and haven't had
> >> time to look into it, but all the signs look very good (they appear to
> >> have added it as part of their base system, for example).
> >
> >Damn, I thought I knew ssh had been free at one point, but when I
> >noticed the non-free license in the late teens, I obviously failed
> >to go back far enough to find the free version.  I'll probably end
> >up calling the new package ssh-free
> 
> Note that OpenBSD is also ripping out support for pretty much any
> other other OS as they go, and using library functions that are
> OpenBSD-specific.

That's a slight over-exaggeration, but they are ripping out for
ancient non-POSIX OSes.  I doubt it'll be too much work to get it too
work on Linux...

-- 
James