Re: Bug#215103: ITP: gmasqdialer -- gtk/gnome client for masqdialer server
On Fri, 2003-10-10 at 21:04, Joe Drew wrote: Description : gtk/gnome client for masqdialer server How about client for masqdialer? The problem with calling it just that is there are many more clients for masqdialer than just this one, like the qt/kde client, the cli client, the java client, which may be packaged in the future. The major difference between these clients are the toolkits/desktop environments they are designed for. GMasqdialer provides a GNOME/GTK client for the Masqdialer system. The Which is it, GTK only or GNOME? It originally had GNOME panel support, but that is currently removed for the gtk2 port. I believe there are plans to restore this functionality in the future. I would have no problem with removing GNOME until/if it becomes a GNOME application again. My currently built package (for woody at the moment) has the following: Depends: libatk1.0-0 (= 1.0.1), libc6 (= 2.2.4-4), libglib2.0-0 (= 2.0.1), libgtk2.0-0 (= 2.0.2), libpango1.0-0 (= 1.0.1) So it doesn't look like the current package is using the Gnome libraries at all. You might want to define what a 'masquerade box' is. How about appending the, rather good I think, description from the masqdialer package: Description: gtk client for masqdialer This package contains a gtk masqdialer client for debian. The masqdialer system is designed to provide easily accessible control of multiple dialout modem connections to the members of a LAN using IP Masquerade for their internet connectivity.
Re: Bug#215103: ITP: gmasqdialer -- gtk/gnome client for masqdialer server
I demand that David B Harris may or may not have written... On Mon, 13 Oct 2003 00:02:47 -0400 Joe Drew [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: David B Harris wrote: As much as you may dislike it, people care about toolkit. I don't understand the witch-hunt to remove references to such things. Short description is a limited resource. By all means, put GTK or GNOME in the long description if it is deemed necessary; apt searches will still find what you're looking for. Obviously if the short description is too long, something needs to go - and in that case, certainly not mentioning the toolkit is reasonable. However, in this particular case (gtk/gnome client for masqdialer server, but really gnome client for masqdialer since the gtk is assumed when talking about GNOME) is 35 characters long. I think that GTK/GNOME is valid: a program may make use of GNOME features if the relevant libraries are installed, but still work without them. -- | Darren Salt | nr. Ashington, | linux (or ds) at | woody, sarge, | Northumberland | youmustbejoking | RISC OS | Toon Army | demon co uk | Oh, sarge too... A misguided platypus will lay its eggs in your shorts.
Re: Bug#215103: ITP: gmasqdialer -- gtk/gnome client for masqdialer server
David B Harris wrote: As much as you may dislike it, people care about toolkit. I don't understand the witch-hunt to remove references to such things. Short description is a limited resource. By all means, put GTK or GNOME in the long description if it is deemed necessary; apt searches will still find what you're looking for.
Re: Bug#215103: ITP: gmasqdialer -- gtk/gnome client for masqdialer server
On Mon, 13 Oct 2003 00:02:47 -0400 Joe Drew [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: David B Harris wrote: As much as you may dislike it, people care about toolkit. I don't understand the witch-hunt to remove references to such things. Short description is a limited resource. By all means, put GTK or GNOME in the long description if it is deemed necessary; apt searches will still find what you're looking for. Obviously if the short description is too long, something needs to go - and in that case, certainly not mentioning the toolkit is reasonable. However, in this particular case (gtk/gnome client for masqdialer server, but really gnome client for masqdialer since the gtk is assumed when talking about GNOME) is 35 characters long. If you think 35 characters is too long, feel free to start filing thousands and thousands of bugs on all the other packages, suggesting that they remove little bits and pieces. pgpJg5QyDch8o.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Bug#215103: ITP: gmasqdialer -- gtk/gnome client for masqdialer server
On Mon, 13 Oct 2003 01:44:57 -0400 David B Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Obviously if the short description is too long, something needs to go - and in that case, certainly not mentioning the toolkit is reasonable. However, in this particular case (gtk/gnome client for masqdialer server, but really gnome client for masqdialer since the gtk is assumed when talking about GNOME) is 35 characters long. If you think 35 characters is too long, feel free to start filing thousands and thousands of bugs on all the other packages, suggesting that they remove little bits and pieces. (And if you don't, please don't bother people about it - instead file a bug on Policy asking for the short description guidelines to specifically say do not mention the application's toolkit.) pgpbH15Uf0TrV.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Bug#215103: ITP: gmasqdialer -- gtk/gnome client for masqdialer server
On Mon, 2003-10-13 at 01:47, David B Harris wrote: If you think 35 characters is too long, feel free to start filing thousands and thousands of bugs on all the other packages, suggesting that they remove little bits and pieces. (And if you don't, please don't bother people about it - instead file a bug on Policy asking for the short description guidelines to specifically say do not mention the application's toolkit.) I will feel free to comment on ITPs where I feel it's necessary. I haven't got the time to look through every single package's description, though I tend to comment on the description of packages I install where I feel it's necessary. Dependencies tell you whether a given package runs in a given environment. The average user does not give a shit whether the program they are running uses Qt or GTK. (Does your Aunt Tillie reject a Windows program because it uses the Borland win32 toolkit?) The description should talk about the capabilities of a package, not its implementation details. Take these sentences as a set and derive the conclusion, the description should not mention toolkits. (At least, for applications. It's hard for a toolkit to not mention the toolkit.) A compromise: The fact that the average Debian user might want to know (in a commonly searchable way) whether a program uses a given toolkit is reason enough to place it in the long description, along the lines of foo is a GNOME application which frobs data especially for Tillie. [etc] -- Joe Drew [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] My weblog doesn't detail my personal life: http://me.woot.net
Re: Bug#215103: ITP: gmasqdialer -- gtk/gnome client for masqdialer server
On Fri, 10 Oct 2003 21:04:23 -0400 Joe Drew [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Description : gtk/gnome client for masqdialer server How about client for masqdialer? From the freshmeat description: GMasqdialer provides a GNOME/GTK client for the Masqdialer system. The Which is it, GTK only or GNOME? As much as you may dislike it, people care about toolkit. I don't understand the witch-hunt to remove references to such things. (Though I do agree that GNOME/GTK could easily be shortened to GNOME.) pgpbwd0428jOf.pgp Description: PGP signature
