Re: Bug#276419: [Pkg-shadow-devel] Bug#276419: [Pbuilder-maint] Shall Debian's su conform to other implementations

2005-11-11 Thread Christian Perrier

 The ideal way to approach this is to announce a change, 

Which is what we are doing now. We neglected to do so the first time
(mostly because we didn't anticipate this would break pbuilder so
much)  and this is why we reverted the change very quickly.

 document that change, provide some environmental variable

It will be documented. We have a ready document, written by the
original bug reporter, which documents the changes and gives
recommendations for fixing affected usage of su.

We didn't want to send it now because it's a long and deeply technical
document and we first wanted to get input from people, like you, who
are already aware of the issue.

 support for that change (like POSIXLY_CORRECT)
 
 Then change.
 
 We've got quite a bit of tools in sarge that doesn't work with
 this change, right?


From what Nicolas investigated, not that much. He only found dchroot
and pbuilder up to now. Nicolas does not pretend to have a complete
investigation but I trust him when he mentions he tried as widely as
possible.





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Re: Bug#276419: [Pkg-shadow-devel] Bug#276419: [Pbuilder-maint] Shall Debian's su conform to other implementations

2005-11-11 Thread Junichi Uekawa
Hi,

  support for that change (like POSIXLY_CORRECT)
  
  Then change.
  
  We've got quite a bit of tools in sarge that doesn't work with
  this change, right?
 
 
 From what Nicolas investigated, not that much. He only found dchroot
 and pbuilder up to now. Nicolas does not pretend to have a complete
 investigation but I trust him when he mentions he tried as widely as
 possible.

FWIW, pbuilder in sid is fixed since 0.129 (17 August 2005),
and I am hoping that will
probagate into some stable backports, so that practically,
pbuilder side is  ready for the new su.


regards,
junichi


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Re: Bug#276419: [Pkg-shadow-devel] Bug#276419: [Pbuilder-maint] Shall Debian's su conform to other implementations

2005-11-11 Thread Christian Perrier
 FWIW, pbuilder in sid is fixed since 0.129 (17 August 2005),
 and I am hoping that will
 probagate into some stable backports, so that practically,
 pbuilder side is  ready for the new su.


Well, this is actually great news as pbuilder was by far the main
blocker for this change. Sorry for having bugged you, then.

(removing Junichi and the pbuilder list from CC)



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