Re: Debian Mobile -- Debian GNU/Linux for mobile devices
On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 04:43:44PM +, Simon McVittie wrote: On Thu, 18 Feb 2010 at 17:51:35 +0300, Nikita V. Youshchenko wrote: For packages that are free, use debian versions whenever possible. For packages that are free but patched too much, use renamed packages. For non-free packages, use current Nokia's binaries wrapped into hand-made debs. Nokia's binaries are distributed under an EULA and are not legally distributable (i.e. they couldn't go in non-free). I believe Mer has some sort of hack analogous to Debian's game-data-packager, in which the Nokia binaries are pushed into the installed device by (a script on behalf of) each user, rather than being available through Mer. Maybe Nokia could be convinced to open up some/most of the Maemo5 apps once Maemo6/Meego is out; AIUI, not opening up the UI apps was an initial decision that has been at least partly rethought internally since. The most interesting thing (it appears to me) would be unified (i.e. combining social networks and local address book etc.) contacts and message logs, though I am not sure Maemo does the latter as well (or at all) like WebOS. Michael -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20100219102101.gd10...@nighthawk.chemicalconnection.dyndns.org
Re: Debian Mobile -- Debian GNU/Linux for mobile devices
On ven., 2010-02-19 at 11:21 +0100, Michael Banck wrote: Maybe Nokia could be convinced to open up some/most of the Maemo5 apps once Maemo6/Meego is out; AIUI, not opening up the UI apps was an initial decision that has been at least partly rethought internally since. See http://wiki.maemo.org/Open_development/Why_the_closed_packages and http://stskeeps.subnetmask.net/maemo.org/openness/pr1.1/ Cheers, -- Yves-Alexis signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: Debian Mobile -- Debian GNU/Linux for mobile devices
On ven., 2010-02-19 at 11:21 +0100, Michael Banck wrote: Maybe Nokia could be convinced to open up some/most of the Maemo5 apps once Maemo6/Meego is out; AIUI, not opening up the UI apps was an initial decision that has been at least partly rethought internally since. See http://wiki.maemo.org/Open_development/Why_the_closed_packages and http://stskeeps.subnetmask.net/maemo.org/openness/pr1.1/ Good to have this information available. It is about what is free and what is not. My suggesion for this project is, let's start with re-packaging working system (including non-free components) into debian-compatible infrastructure (using scripts that create debs where we can't distribute debs due to all those licensing restrictions). Thus keep things working and full-functional from the beginning and through all process. Having system full-functional is IMO a very important point. That makes things different from most 'anti-vendor ports' projects out there. This should help to avoid Deblet's fate [1], and perhaps attract users, or at last make it possible to continue using device normally while working on this. [1] http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=536089 We may try to replace non-free modules by-the-way, when and where possible. Nikita -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201002191530.43...@zigzag.lvk.cs.msu.su
Re: Debian Mobile -- Debian GNU/Linux for mobile devices
Le mercredi 17 février 2010 à 16:35 +0100, Julian Andres Klode a écrit : Also the pkg-fso team: http://wiki.debian.org/Teams/DebianFSO Freesmartphone.org is the other way, it has its own software. My idea is more about the things coming from Nokia and Intel, i.e. oFono, Connman, and the rest of what will be MeeGo. See also hackable:1 which claims to be using a Debian system base with Gnome mobile : http://www.hackable1.org/ My 2 cents, -- Olivier BERGER olivier.ber...@it-sudparis.eu http://www-public.it-sudparis.eu/~berger_o/ - OpenPGP-Id: 2048R/5819D7E8 Ingénieur Recherche - Dept INF Institut TELECOM, SudParis (http://www.it-sudparis.eu/), Evry (France) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1266592626.13322.75.ca...@inf-8657.int-evry.fr
Re: Debian Mobile -- Debian GNU/Linux for mobile devices
Hi, Is anyone interested in starting a Debian Mobile project, probably as a Debian Pure Blend? Goals: - Provide an environment for handheld and netbook devices + example: the Nokia N900 - Provide a Debian-based implementation of MeeGo + Packaging the software from MeeGo Regards, Julian (Please CC me in your replies) Hi Julain, FYI: There is also the hackable:1 Distribution which is debian/em-debian based and funded by Bearstech in France(I think). It runs on my Openmoko and is really nice and stable. I think it can run on other mobilephones aswell. See http://www.hackable1.org for more information. Cheers, Andreas Marschke -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201002181119.02097.xxtj...@gmail.com
Re: Debian Mobile -- Debian GNU/Linux for mobile devices
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Julian Andres Klode wrote: Hi, Is anyone interested in starting a Debian Mobile project, probably as a Debian Pure Blend? Goals: - Provide an environment for handheld and netbook devices + example: the Nokia N900 - Provide a Debian-based implementation of MeeGo + Packaging the software from MeeGo Regards, Julian (Please CC me in your replies) Count me in too, it's an interesting project! Greg -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkt9OBoACgkQpZIh7UAzFiFmhACgrEJh6y8GAopKG9xuUWL83F4O qlsAn3nOf19XlPGoF9Rb2wBZ/nA4eec3 =e6wV -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4b7d381a.8090...@gmail.com
Re: Debian Mobile -- Debian GNU/Linux for mobile devices
Hi, Is anyone interested in starting a Debian Mobile project, probably as a Debian Pure Blend? Goals: - Provide an environment for handheld and netbook devices + example: the Nokia N900 Interestingly, is it possible to create a mix between current n900 packages and debian, such that resulting system will look and work more or less similar to current n900 firmware (including phone, messaging, etc), but have Debian repositories connected instead of nokia's and maemo.org's for everything else. For packages that are free, use debian versions whenever possible. For packages that are free but patched too much, use renamed packages. For non-free packages, use current Nokia's binaries wrapped into hand-made debs. If succeed, that may result into device that is as usable as n900 as a phone and (almost) as usable as debian for everything else. What do you think? Nikita P.S. Yes I know there is Easy Debian for n900, but I'm quite disappointed with it. I can't agree with idea of installing files into /home/user by dpkg, for example. Also, it completely ignores filesystem safety issues - some time of using it combined with phone reboots to recover from hangs, resulted into filesystem image that fsck was unable to repair. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201002181751.36...@zigzag.lvk.cs.msu.su
Re: Debian Mobile -- Debian GNU/Linux for mobile devices
On Thu, 18 Feb 2010 at 17:51:35 +0300, Nikita V. Youshchenko wrote: For packages that are free, use debian versions whenever possible. For packages that are free but patched too much, use renamed packages. For non-free packages, use current Nokia's binaries wrapped into hand-made debs. Nokia's binaries are distributed under an EULA and are not legally distributable (i.e. they couldn't go in non-free). I believe Mer has some sort of hack analogous to Debian's game-data-packager, in which the Nokia binaries are pushed into the installed device by (a script on behalf of) each user, rather than being available through Mer. S -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20100218164344.ga20...@reptile.pseudorandom.co.uk
Re: Debian Mobile -- Debian GNU/Linux for mobile devices
On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 03:53:32PM +0100, Julian Andres Klode wrote: Is anyone interested in starting a Debian Mobile project, probably as a Debian Pure Blend? You want to start with em-debian. - Provide an environment for handheld and netbook devices + example: the Nokia N900 Well, I would like to have something working for my N770. Bastian -- Yes, it is written. Good shall always destroy evil. -- Sirah the Yang, The Omega Glory, stardate unknown -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20100217151313.ga1...@wavehammer.waldi.eu.org
Re: Debian Mobile -- Debian GNU/Linux for mobile devices
On Wed, 17 Feb 2010 16:13:13 +0100 Bastian Blank wa...@debian.org wrote: On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 03:53:32PM +0100, Julian Andres Klode wrote: Is anyone interested in starting a Debian Mobile project, probably as a Debian Pure Blend? The difference between what you need for a phone and what Pure Blends can offer was looked at during DebConf8 - a Pure Blend is still aimed at a desktop machine, it's about collections of existing packages. Emdebian focuses on providing smaller versions of existing packages in ways that are better suited to small systems. You want to start with em-debian. www.emdebian.org/grip/ Also the pkg-fso team: http://wiki.debian.org/Teams/DebianFSO - Provide an environment for handheld and netbook devices + example: the Nokia N900 Well, I would like to have something working for my N770. The main barrier for Emdebian on mobiles is the relative lack of suitable packages - and developers with time to add the packages that do exist outside Debian (along with a few problems from some of those packages just not being sufficiently stable to put into Debian at the moment.) -- Neil Williams = http://www.data-freedom.org/ http://www.linux.codehelp.co.uk/ http://e-mail.is-not-s.ms/ pgp9mFmoJ4ei9.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Debian Mobile -- Debian GNU/Linux for mobile devices
On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 11:18 PM, Neil Williams codeh...@debian.org wrote: On Wed, 17 Feb 2010 16:13:13 +0100 Bastian Blank wa...@debian.org wrote: You want to start with em-debian. www.emdebian.org/grip/ Also the pkg-fso team: http://wiki.debian.org/Teams/DebianFSO A bunch of Moblin and Maemo stuff already exists in Debian, those maintainers might also be interested. In addition the Mer people might be interested. -- bye, pabs http://wiki.debian.org/PaulWise -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/e13a36b31002170722n597d1facw375fe5d37f443...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Debian Mobile -- Debian GNU/Linux for mobile devices
On 17/02/2010 15:53, Julian Andres Klode wrote: Hi, Is anyone interested in starting a Debian Mobile project, probably as a Debian Pure Blend? Carsten Munk (Stskeep, Mer main developer) has said he might use Debian Lenny as a base for Mer^2 on n8x0 (he won't continue developing Mer for N900+ since Meego will achieve the same purpose). You might want to ask him about that. Cheers, -- Yves-Alexis -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4b7c0a6e.5090...@debian.org
Re: Debian Mobile -- Debian GNU/Linux for mobile devices
Hello, 2010/2/17 Yves-Alexis Perez cor...@debian.org: Carsten Munk (Stskeep, Mer main developer) has said he might use Debian Lenny as a base for Mer^2 on n8x0 (he won't continue developing Mer for N900+ since Meego will achieve the same purpose). You might want to ask him about that. 18:55 dilinger Stskeeps: so what happens w/ Mer, then? 18:55 dilinger oh, i guess someone already asked 18:55 * dilinger reads scrollback 18:56 Stskeeps dilinger: short answer is that we'll be doing backports of mer regarding fremantle and help fremantle afterlife, .. the longer answer: it depends on how badly Meego is governed. 18:56 Stskeeps there might be a need for community governed variants of Meego. 18:57 jrayhawk It'd be nice if Mer were merged into Debian and stopped with the monolithic versioning. 18:57 Stskeeps jrayhawk: my current project is Mer^2 which is a Debian 5.0 based Mer, which is very close to Maemo5. 18:58 jrayhawk monolithic upgrades are another thing that irritate the bejesus out of me about maemo 19:01 dilinger Stskeeps: got a list of packages that need to go into debian? 19:01 Stskeeps dilinger: not currently and we also use a scratchbox compat layer in OBS that makes maemo packages build -- Héctor Orón Our Sun unleashes tremendous flares expelling hot gas into the Solar System, which one day will disconnect us. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/dd0a3d701002170730v5bf10342o2defbb7269dd...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Debian Mobile -- Debian GNU/Linux for mobile devices
Am Mittwoch, den 17.02.2010, 15:18 + schrieb Neil Williams: On Wed, 17 Feb 2010 16:13:13 +0100 Bastian Blank wa...@debian.org wrote: On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 03:53:32PM +0100, Julian Andres Klode wrote: Is anyone interested in starting a Debian Mobile project, probably as a Debian Pure Blend? The difference between what you need for a phone and what Pure Blends can offer was looked at during DebConf8 - a Pure Blend is still aimed at a desktop machine, it's about collections of existing packages. Emdebian focuses on providing smaller versions of existing packages in ways that are better suited to small systems. This project is not aiming at small phones, it's aiming at MIDs and Netbooks which have sufficient storage. Nokia currently runs docpurge on their devices because it installs Maemo on a 256MB flash rom, but I wouldn't really install Debian to a 256MB flash anyway; and use some parts of the 32GB eMMC instead. If there is a use for an even smaller system, we can still go the route of Emdebian Crush or Emdebian Grip; depending on how small we want it. But as MeeGo will be for Netbooks and the x86 architecture as well, we should start in Debian. You want to start with em-debian. www.emdebian.org/grip/ Also the pkg-fso team: http://wiki.debian.org/Teams/DebianFSO Freesmartphone.org is the other way, it has its own software. My idea is more about the things coming from Nokia and Intel, i.e. oFono, Connman, and the rest of what will be MeeGo. -- Julian Andres Klode - Debian Developer, Ubuntu Member See http://wiki.debian.org/JulianAndresKlode and http://jak-linux.org/. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1266420923.10862.15.ca...@hp
Re: Debian Mobile -- Debian GNU/Linux for mobile devices
Hi, On Wed, 17 Feb 2010, Julian Andres Klode wrote: Is anyone interested in starting a Debian Mobile project, probably as a Debian Pure Blend? Yes. Not that I can invest lots of time to such a project but I believe we really need to offer something at that level. Goals: - Provide an environment for handheld and netbook devices + example: the Nokia N900 - Provide a Debian-based implementation of MeeGo + Packaging the software from MeeGo I suggest however that we try to be heavily involved in MeeGo and not only to do our stuff nearby. That might mean using their repositories and stuff like that. The Debian Mobile part could be mostly marketing and branding while technical work should be done within MeeGo if this appears to be possible (we'll have to watch out how they will manage external contributions and so on). We could try to create a Debian Variant working group following http://meego.com/about/governance Cheers, -- Raphaël Hertzog Like what I do? Sponsor me: http://ouaza.com/wp/2010/01/05/5-years-of-freexian/ My Debian goals: http://ouaza.com/wp/2010/01/09/debian-related-goals-for-2010/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20100217162016.ga24...@rivendell
Re: Debian Mobile -- Debian GNU/Linux for mobile devices
Am Mittwoch, den 17.02.2010, 17:20 +0100 schrieb Raphael Hertzog: Hi, On Wed, 17 Feb 2010, Julian Andres Klode wrote: Is anyone interested in starting a Debian Mobile project, probably as a Debian Pure Blend? Yes. Not that I can invest lots of time to such a project but I believe we really need to offer something at that level. Goals: - Provide an environment for handheld and netbook devices + example: the Nokia N900 - Provide a Debian-based implementation of MeeGo + Packaging the software from MeeGo I suggest however that we try to be heavily involved in MeeGo and not only to do our stuff nearby. That might mean using their repositories and stuff like that. The Debian Mobile part could be mostly marketing and branding while technical work should be done within MeeGo if this appears to be possible (we'll have to watch out how they will manage external contributions and so on). Of course work should happen upstream as most as possible. But as upstream will use rpm, our part is repackaging. We could try to create a Debian Variant working group following http://meego.com/about/governance Maybe. I CCed meego-...@meego.com to get a bit more responses. But for meego.com a generic downstream working group might be more suitable. (Replies to this part should go to meego-...@meego.com, the others to debian-devel with a CC to my email address or meego-dev) -- Julian Andres Klode - Debian Developer, Ubuntu Member See http://wiki.debian.org/JulianAndresKlode and http://jak-linux.org/. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1266424155.10862.41.ca...@hp
Re: Debian Mobile -- Debian GNU/Linux for mobile devices
Am Mittwoch, den 17.02.2010, 16:13 +0100 schrieb Bastian Blank: On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 03:53:32PM +0100, Julian Andres Klode wrote: Is anyone interested in starting a Debian Mobile project, probably as a Debian Pure Blend? You want to start with em-debian. MeeGo is not really embedded, having a netbook UI and a handheld UI. The devices also have multiple GB of storage. - Provide an environment for handheld and netbook devices + example: the Nokia N900 Well, I would like to have something working for my N770. I guess for the 770 (it's written without N), there is not much interest. Even Mer seems to be starting with N800. But it's not impossible. We wouldn't even be able to support graphics acceleration on the N900, because of the PowerVR chip used there. Regards, Julian -- Julian Andres Klode - Debian Developer, Ubuntu Member See http://wiki.debian.org/JulianAndresKlode and http://jak-linux.org/. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1266430421.10862.50.ca...@hp
Re: Debian Mobile -- Debian GNU/Linux for mobile devices
On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 07:13:41PM +0100, Julian Andres Klode wrote: Am Mittwoch, den 17.02.2010, 16:13 +0100 schrieb Bastian Blank: On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 03:53:32PM +0100, Julian Andres Klode wrote: Is anyone interested in starting a Debian Mobile project, probably as a Debian Pure Blend? You want to start with em-debian. MeeGo is not really embedded, having a netbook UI and a handheld UI. The devices also have multiple GB of storage. My phones and (even more so) MP3 players have had that sort of storage space for some considerable time; form factor is probably more of a useful distinction here than any performance specs. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20100217184202.gh2...@sirena.org.uk
Re: Debian Mobile -- Debian GNU/Linux for mobile devices
Hi, 2010/2/17 Julian Andres Klode j...@debian.org: Am Mittwoch, den 17.02.2010, 16:13 +0100 schrieb Bastian Blank: You want to start with em-debian. MeeGo is not really embedded, having a netbook UI and a handheld UI. The devices also have multiple GB of storage. FYI, Grip is not really embedded, targets MIDs, netbooks and devices with few hundreds of MB storage. Crush is more embedded, but actually with lack of support until multiarch bits are in place. - Provide an environment for handheld and netbook devices + example: the Nokia N900 Well, I would like to have something working for my N770. I guess for the 770 (it's written without N), there is not much interest. Even Mer seems to be starting with N800. But it's not impossible. Emdebian does provide a rootfs for integrators, so anyone can pickup a bootloader, kernel, emulation software (if needed) and integrate them all together. Alexander Shiskin showed me emdebian (or maybe was slind.org, a proof of concept of crush among other things) running on a Nokia 770 device four or five years ago. If I recall correctly, he needed non-free code in order to use DSP. But, yes, it does not work out-of-the-box. Cheers, -- Héctor Orón Our Sun unleashes tremendous flares expelling hot gas into the Solar System, which one day will disconnect us. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/dd0a3d701002171047hd544a32xd587d9d023c21...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Debian Mobile -- Debian GNU/Linux for mobile devices
Am Mittwoch, den 17.02.2010, 19:47 +0100 schrieb Hector Oron: Hi, 2010/2/17 Julian Andres Klode j...@debian.org: Am Mittwoch, den 17.02.2010, 16:13 +0100 schrieb Bastian Blank: You want to start with em-debian. MeeGo is not really embedded, having a netbook UI and a handheld UI. The devices also have multiple GB of storage. FYI, Grip is not really embedded, targets MIDs, netbooks and devices with few hundreds of MB storage. Crush is more embedded, but actually with lack of support until multiarch bits are in place. Yes, I confused them. But Grip can be built from Debian packages automatically, so starting with it does not make much sense. -- Julian Andres Klode - Debian Developer, Ubuntu Member See http://wiki.debian.org/JulianAndresKlode and http://jak-linux.org/. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1266434039.10862.59.ca...@hp
Re: Debian Mobile -- Debian GNU/Linux for mobile devices
On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 05:29:15PM +0100, Julian Andres Klode wrote: On Wed, 17 Feb 2010, Julian Andres Klode wrote: Is anyone interested in starting a Debian Mobile project, probably as a Debian Pure Blend? I wonder whether we really need to start or whether we are able to continue what just exist: There is a Debian Eee PC project [1] which - as far as I know - is not reduced to this specific hardware despite the very specific name. Yes. Not that I can invest lots of time to such a project but I believe we really need to offer something at that level. Goals: - Provide an environment for handheld and netbook devices + example: the Nokia N900 - Provide a Debian-based implementation of MeeGo + Packaging the software from MeeGo I have to admit that I never dived into this MeeGo stuff (and its predecessors) so perhaps my assumption is wrong, but I have the impression that it is basically an environment which attempts to provide applications to users in a simple way like for instance Sugar is doing for XO. Just correct me, if this impression is wrong. If I'm right we just need to package this environment (and its components) just as it is done with Sugar. Once thes packages exist, you need to tweak D-I with some preconfiguration and define a set of packaged applications which should be installed as default. If you ask me that sounds like a Debian Pure Blend: Package things we are interested in and provide these packages in a simple way to the target user. The Debian Mobile part could be mostly marketing and branding while technical work should be done within MeeGo if this appears to be possible (we'll have to watch out how they will manage external contributions and so on). Of course work should happen upstream as most as possible. But as upstream will use rpm, our part is repackaging. Ahh. I've thought one of its predecessors (MobLin) would be Ubuntu and thus Deb-based. But yes, if the package format of choice would be RPM than it means repackaging. IMHO the question whether to host your work on MeeGo or on Debian is strongly related to the question whether you intend to strictly follow Debian policy. I learned that projects like this do often not per se comply to Debian policy (for whatever reason). If you intend to stricktly stick to Debian policy IMHO it would be reasonable to do your work inside Debian (while sticking as closely as possible to upstream). Whether you finally call it a Debian Pure Blend or not is your choice. If you consider the techniques of Blends (like defining categories of packages in so called tasks and handling such tasks in metapackages) useful I would be happy to support your work. Perhaps the Blends framework might be enhanced to even better fit your needs. Kind regards Andreas. -- http://fam-tille.de -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20100217213453.ga12...@an3as.eu
Re: Debian Mobile -- Debian GNU/Linux for mobile devices
On 17/02/10 05:34 PM, Andreas Tille wrote: I wonder whether we really need to start or whether we are able to continue what just exist: There is a Debian Eee PC project [1] which - as far as I know - is not reduced to this specific hardware despite the very specific name. Actually, our project is limited to the Eee PC platform. We don't even support similar systems by the same vendor like the Eee Box. Although it might be possible to broaden the scope to encompass more hardware without killing the project, I have my doubts. We've managed to stay cohesive, productive and relevant for the past two years using this approach and I'd be reluctant to do anything to upset the balance. I also have my doubts about whether or not we even have similar goals. The Debian Eee PC project has one purpose only, to ensure that Debian works well on this hardware. While other projects with an Eee focus want to write and support special applets to control the hardware or slap on a special UI, we're quietly working to ensure that the drivers work, are free, and any patches merged upstream to ensure that no matter how you make Debian *look* on an Eee, it will all just work. While there may be a small amount of overlap, a portion of the user population who will find a mobile OS appealing, (and maybe my perception of how many people are interested in such a thing is skewed a bit because Debian simply doesn't offer anything like this at this time, driving people away from it and towards the alternatives,) I really can't see a whole lot in common between handheld device owners' needs and those of netbook owners. In the end, a netbook is an inexpensive, smaller, but essentially -- a laptop, and that is not very different from a desktop system. That is, it's a general purpose system. It just also happens to be highly portable. People with netbooks do similar things on them that they would do on their desktop systems. They just do it on the go. They don't need a radically different UI to make that happen. Just using a familiar desktop or WM that they already use elsewhere and are comfortable with is usually the best approach. When Asus entered the market with this system, they wanted it to look different, and they wanted to reach a different market. Thus, they introduced it with a UI with big, friendly buttons more reminiscent of a PDA or cell phone than a conventional desktop. That wasn't what caught my eye. What excited me about the Eee was that here, at last, was a general purpose system that met both my usability and portability needs at once, and at a decent price. Nothing more than that. I didn't share whatever the Asus execs' vision was for this. I get the sense that not many of the people who work with and enjoy the products of our project do either. All of that being said, Debian Mobile sounds like a great idea, and I hope it is a resounding success. And if it happens to work well on an Eee, too, then super! It's always nice to have choices. Ben -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4b7c96b5.3070...@sanctuary.nslug.ns.ca
