Re: Debian desktop -situation, proposals for discussion and change. Stable too stable??
Le Wed, May 16, 2007 at 01:26:30AM +0200, Frans Pop a écrit : > On Wednesday 16 May 2007 01:11, Charles Plessy wrote: > > Maybe at each point release, the release notes could be > > updated on the basis of these messages. Things like "emacs21 does not > > have full unicode support, but you can display chinese characters if > > you install the mule-ucs package." for instance. (I wasted hours, > > because I thought that packages with no full unicode support would at > > least have an open bug on this issue since it is a past release > > goal...). > > IIRC there already is a general note about that in the RN. (At least in > the "installation" section, not sure about the "what's changed" section. > > Feel free to file BRs against release-notes for information that could be > added. Including a (short) proposed text for an issue increases the > chance it will be included. Hi, I checked, there is nothing about emacs in the release notes. I have submitted #424631 to suggest an addition to the release notes, but I think that taken isolatedly, this does not make too much sense. My point was mostly to say that at the end of the year, when Etch will be half-way in its life, it would be nice for our future users to have a list of issues easy to overview, in order for them to decide what to install... Also, users experiencing bugs which only compromise their work but not their security may appreciate a view of the bug tracking system in which things specific to later releases or source package QA is not immediately visible... Have a nice day, -- Charles Plessy http://charles.plessy.org Wako, Saitama, Japan -- Lisez la FAQ de la liste avant de poser une question : http://wiki.debian.net/?DebianFrench Vous pouvez aussi ajouter le mot ``spam'' dans vos champs "From" et "Reply-To:" To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian desktop -situation, proposals for discussion and change. Stable too stable?
On Wednesday 16 May 2007 01:11, Charles Plessy wrote: > Maybe at each point release, the release notes could be > updated on the basis of these messages. Things like "emacs21 does not > have full unicode support, but you can display chinese characters if > you install the mule-ucs package." for instance. (I wasted hours, > because I thought that packages with no full unicode support would at > least have an open bug on this issue since it is a past release > goal...). IIRC there already is a general note about that in the RN. (At least in the "installation" section, not sure about the "what's changed" section. Feel free to file BRs against release-notes for information that could be added. Including a (short) proposed text for an issue increases the chance it will be included. Cheers, FJP pgpGwFCsunq2H.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Debian desktop -situation, proposals for discussion and change. Stable too stable?
Le Tue, May 15, 2007 at 05:50:50PM -0400, Greg Folkert a écrit : > > f, Usability problems, wishes and bugs should get fixed too. I should > > be able to report a problem, participate on it's solution and see > > fruits of that. > > Have you even looked at Debian's BTS? Unless your patch or bug is a > security related problem, it won't make it into "Stable". "Stable" is in > maintenance mode. Not in "New features or versions or additions or > design improvements" mode. That would be "testing". Hi all, I think that Peter really makes a point there. Since the release of Etch, I am using it at work, and I am running in usabiilty bugs. Since they do not open the possibility for somebody else to take control of my machine, will they never be fixed? Definitely, a good backporting strategy could be very helpful to users, but I think that Debian needs something else in addition. For the moment, users of stable must rely on linear "webforum-style" information written in english in the BTS to find workarounds, or be lucky that somebody on a user mailing list shares their experience. Since the BTS understands versions, maybe providing an easy display of the bugs which are still open in Stable could help users to have a good overview. In line with this, official message (for instance a summary) from the maintainers could be displayed (and translated ?) on top of the bug. Maybe at each point release, the release notes could be updated on the basis of these messages. Things like "emacs21 does not have full unicode support, but you can display chinese characters if you install the mule-ucs package." for instance. (I wasted hours, because I thought that packages with no full unicode support would at least have an open bug on this issue since it is a past release goal...). Have a nice day, -- Charles -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
