Re: GR - collecting proposals (was Re: systemd is here to stay, get over it now)
Quoting Marco d'Itri (m...@linux.it): > On Jul 09, Alessio Treglia wrote: > > > I think that it would be valuable for our users to keep the > > non-default init system working on Jessie for those who do neither > > intend nor need to switch to systemd. > I suggest less thinking and more coding then, because an updated > systemd-shim still has not magically appeared. I'm working on a systemd-shim update to do the cgroup setup on login. However if someone with a better understanding of all the slices and scopes and sessions has an interest please let me know and don't let me hold you back! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140709172957.GT1132@ubuntumail
Re: GR - collecting proposals (was Re: systemd is here to stay, get over it now)
On Jul 09, Alessio Treglia wrote: > I think that it would be valuable for our users to keep the > non-default init system working on Jessie for those who do neither > intend nor need to switch to systemd. I suggest less thinking and more coding then, because an updated systemd-shim still has not magically appeared. -- ciao, Marco signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: GR - collecting proposals (was Re: systemd is here to stay, get over it now)
On Fri, Jul 4, 2014 at 3:28 PM, Thorsten Glaser wrote: >- existing installations of older (pre-jessie) Debian may be > upgraded to our new standard init system systemd, but only > after the user has been suitably warned, e.g. via a debconf > propmpt at priority "medium" (i.e. not shown to novices) >(maintenance burden is on the package maintainers, plus a >possible team of volunteers, for the init scripts; maintenance >burden for the upgrade scenario is with the maintainers of the >affected packages (sysvinit and systemd, AIUI)) >=> we promote our new default, but permit our users to choose > for themselves, if they feel they are technically skilled > enough to make this choice and live with the limitations > of a non-standard system; switching back and forth between > the two supported systems is always possible I appreciate this as it is about freedom of choice. I think that it would be valuable for our users to keep the non-default init system working on Jessie for those who do neither intend nor need to switch to systemd. Cheers. -- Alessio Treglia | www.alessiotreglia.com Debian Developer | ales...@debian.org Ubuntu Core Developer| quadris...@ubuntu.com 0416 0004 A827 6E40 BB98 90FB E8A4 8AE5 311D 765A -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/CAMHuwozJ+FMBSDczUYw9=+thycs93f2fthp+2acb_t39pag...@mail.gmail.com
Re: GR - collecting proposals (was Re: systemd is here to stay, get over it now)
t...@debian.org wrote: >Steve McIntyre wrote: > >>with this constant bickering and sniping. If you must do it, start the >>GR and see how that goes. I even offer to second it just to help get > >Can you help formulate? I do not feel my English skills are >up to that. I'm sorry, I don't really have time to do this right now. I'm already say too stretched with my current workload. -- Steve McIntyre, Cambridge, UK.st...@einval.com Support the Campaign for Audiovisual Free Expression: http://www.eff.org/cafe/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/e1x4t0j-0004pc...@mail.einval.com
Re: GR - collecting proposals (was Re: systemd is here to stay, get over it now)
On 07/04/2014 10:28 PM, Thorsten Glaser wrote: > 4) all init systems currently in Debian are supported in jessie; We don't need a GR to support this option. Of course, all init systems are supported, to the best of our efforts, and I don't see why someone would refuse a patch. I haven't seen such a behavior so far. Please don't start a GR with such foolish choice as 1) to 3), where we may decide to stop supporting alternative init systems. This isn't the current situation, we just have decided for a default init system, and that's enough (for now). Instead, wouldn't you help with alternatives? Like for example, help with porting upstart to kFreeBSD and Hurd, or help with OpenRC to detach the parser from the boot system would help (and I haven't found the time to work on that so far, unfortunately). Cheers, Thomas -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/53b79b39.4080...@debian.org
