Re: Grid tasks

2009-03-18 Thread Noah Meyerhans
On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 02:28:08PM +0100, Steffen Moeller wrote:
  Would there be support for creating a grid task, and splitting it this way?
  
  Currently the packages are in the new queue. Should I wait until they
  actually reach unstable before creating the task? Are there any other
  obvious candidate packages?
 
 I don't think that there is such a thing like the Grid. We should wait a 
 bit longer to
 see how the world evolves around the concepts associated with grids (X.509 
 certificates,
 virtual organisations, ...). To me, mere computations are what may initially 
 drive us, but
 there should be more to come.

I'm not sure about that.  There's a whole lot of inertia behind things
like the Open Science Grid (http://www.opensciencegrid.org/).  My site,
with a Debian-based Condor cluster, is considering joining it right now.
If we can make it easier for people to build clusters that can easily be
added to such a grid, we should.

Additionally, I'd argue that The Grid could pretty easily refer to a
site-local grid.  A workstation joined to a local cluster doesn't really
need to care about whether it's part of something larger or not.

noah
(who should probably go sign up for debian-science at this point...)



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Re: Grid tasks

2009-03-16 Thread Steffen Moeller
Hi Chris,

Chris Walker wrote:
 I propose we (Debian-science) create two grid tasks packages:
 
 Grid-client: This would contain the packages  a user workstation needs to
 submit jobs to the grid.
 
 Grid-server: Packages for running a grid cluster. 
 
 The globus packages recently proposed on debian-devel are obvious
 candidates. 
 
 Would there be support for creating a grid task, and splitting it this way?
 
 Currently the packages are in the new queue. Should I wait until they
 actually reach unstable before creating the task? Are there any other
 obvious candidate packages?

I don't think that there is such a thing like the Grid. We should wait a bit 
longer to
see how the world evolves around the concepts associated with grids (X.509 
certificates,
virtual organisations, ...). To me, mere computations are what may initially 
drive us, but
there should be more to come.

Candidates to look at are the Open Source cloud management infrastructure 
Eucalyptus,
UNICORE, even BOINC I would not like miss as there are several grid-savvy 
bridges built
towards and from it.

What we should possibly start with is a set of tags for the debtags initiative 
that is
grid-related.

Best,

Steffen


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