Re: How to add dependencies that exist in another repository
Ben Hutchings b...@decadent.org.uk writes: On Wed, Nov 10, 2010 at 04:50:49PM -0200, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote: On Wed, 10 Nov 2010, Bob Proulx wrote: The packages for Debian there add a source.list.d file as you describe. (And it really confused me until I figured out what it had Which begs the question: why do we even have source.list.d/ suport in the first place (or, if it is really useful to other users of apt, why is it enabled by default) ? - An organisation/site with a private repository or mirror can provide the configuration for this as a package or preinstalled file without interfering with per-machine configuration - Non-Debian packages (such as Chrome) can integrate with the usual update mechanisms rather than reinventing this wheel - Mobile users can enable and disable sources in different locations just by renaming the files (this is now less important thanks to cdn.debian.net, though that is not yet an official service) Ben. To give a users use case: I have a package my-apt-config that installs the gpg key for the local repository, a /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ file, /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/ file and /etc/apt/preferences.d/ file with all the right settings for me. With one simple package I configure apt to my needs on a new system and any changes are easily distributed through the package via update/upgarde. Doing that with include directives would be way harder and violate policy (don't edit other packages conffiles). MfG Goswin -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/87y690yzh5@frosties.localnet
Re: How to add dependencies that exist in another repository
On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 10:35:34AM +0100, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: I have a package my-apt-config that installs the gpg key for the local repository, a /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ file, /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/ file and /etc/apt/preferences.d/ file with all the right settings for me. I completely agree but did not managed to get /etc/apt/preferences.d/ working as expected. Did I missed a piece of documentation or can you provide any working example. Kind regards Andreas. -- http://fam-tille.de -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/2010110330.ga24...@an3as.eu
Re: How to add dependencies that exist in another repository
On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 12:03:30PM +0100, Andreas Tille wrote: On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 10:35:34AM +0100, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: I have a package my-apt-config that installs the gpg key for the local repository, a /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ file, /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/ file and /etc/apt/preferences.d/ file with all the right settings for me. I completely agree but did not managed to get /etc/apt/preferences.d/ working as expected. Did I missed a piece of documentation or can you provide any working example. Your apt is too old. Upgrade to Squeeze. Bastian -- There is an order of things in this universe. -- Apollo, Who Mourns for Adonais? stardate 3468.1 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/2010115703.gb22...@wavehammer.waldi.eu.org
Re: How to add dependencies that exist in another repository
On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 12:03:30PM +0100, Andreas Tille wrote: On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 10:35:34AM +0100, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: I have a package my-apt-config that installs the gpg key for the local repository, a /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ file, /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/ file and /etc/apt/preferences.d/ file with all the right settings for me. I completely agree but did not managed to get /etc/apt/preferences.d/ working as expected. Did I missed a piece of documentation or can you provide any working example. From man apt_preferences: Note that the files in the /etc/apt/preferences.d directory are parsed in alphanumeric ascending order and need to obey the following naming convention: The files have no or pref as filename extension and which only contain alphanumeric, hyphen (-), underscore (_) and period (.) characters - otherwise they will be silently ignored. Cheers, Mike -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/2010121449.ga9...@glandium.org
Re: How to add dependencies that exist in another repository
Henrique de Moraes Holschuh writes (Re: How to add dependencies that exist in another repository): On Wed, 10 Nov 2010, Bob Proulx wrote: The packages for Debian there add a source.list.d file as you describe. (And it really confused me until I figured out what it had Which begs the question: why do we even have source.list.d/ suport in the first place (or, if it is really useful to other users of apt, why is it enabled by default) ? People are going to do this hideous thing anyway. At least this way they don't have to untraceably edit the actual master sources.list. Ian. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/19675.57832.843600.525...@chiark.greenend.org.uk
Re: How to add dependencies that exist in another repository
Hi, to answer the previous question: Yes, I'm using Squeeze. From man apt_preferences: Note that the files in the /etc/apt/preferences.d directory are parsed in alphanumeric ascending order and need to obey the following naming convention: The files have no or pref as filename extension and which only contain alphanumeric, hyphen (-), underscore (_) and period (.) characters - otherwise they will be silently ignored. Well, this defines a *sequence* of these files but what about the *content*. In /etc/apt/preferences the sequence of paragraphs does not matter. Just the Pin-Priority value has relevance. So again, some working example would help understanding things. Kind regards Andreas. -- http://fam-tille.de -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/2010133639.gb28...@an3as.eu
Re: How to add dependencies that exist in another repository
On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 14:36, Andreas Tille andr...@an3as.eu wrote: to answer the previous question: Yes, I'm using Squeeze. From man apt_preferences: Note that the files in the /etc/apt/preferences.d directory are parsed in alphanumeric ascending order and need to obey the following naming convention: The files have no or pref as filename extension and which only contain alphanumeric, hyphen (-), underscore (_) and period (.) characters - otherwise they will be silently ignored. Well, this defines a *sequence* of these files but what about the *content*. In /etc/apt/preferences the sequence of paragraphs does not matter. Just the Pin-Priority value has relevance. So Wrong. The manpage says: If any specific-form records match an available package version then the first such record determines the priority of the package version. Failing that, if any general-form records match an available package version then the first such record determines the priority of the package version. So its important in which sequence the paragraphs are written (and read). The syntax of the fragment files is (obviously) the same as the one for the main file, so i don't see what an example will help, but here we go: /etc/apt/preferences: Package: * Pin: release experimental Pin-Priority: -1 Package: * Pin: release o=Debian Pin-Priority: 400 /etc/apt/preferences.d/gcc-45.pref: Package: gcc cpp-4.5 g++-4.5 gcc-4.5 Pin: release experimental Pin-Priority: 500 $ apt-cache policy gcc gcc: Installiert: 4:4.4.5-1 Kandidat:4:4.5.1-1exp1 Paket-Pinning: 4:4.5.1-1exp1 Versionstabelle: 4:4.5.1-1exp1 500 -1 http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/ experimental/main i386 Packages *** 4:4.4.5-1 500 400 http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/ sid/main i386 Packages 400 http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/ testing/main i386 Packages 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status 4:4.3.2-2 500 400 http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/ lenny/main i386 Packages In that example you can also see why the sequence is important - swap the stanzas in the preferences file and all archives which match o=Debian will be pinned to 400 - which includes experimental! But if that doesn't work i guess a bug report is better suited than proceeding in hijacking a thread… Best regards David Kalnischkies P.S.: Yes, i know that the given gcc pinning is not enough, my real stanza is longer - and the preferences file is a pure fiction… -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/aanlktingx9yjpuolmt_nv51phs8s+65ey2akh_kg4...@mail.gmail.com
Re: How to add dependencies that exist in another repository
Ian Jackson ijack...@chiark.greenend.org.uk writes: Henrique de Moraes Holschuh writes (Re: How to add dependencies that exist in another repository): On Wed, 10 Nov 2010, Bob Proulx wrote: The packages for Debian there add a source.list.d file as you describe. (And it really confused me until I figured out what it had Which begs the question: why do we even have source.list.d/ suport in the first place (or, if it is really useful to other users of apt, why is it enabled by default) ? People are going to do this hideous thing anyway. At least this way they don't have to untraceably edit the actual master sources.list. Ian. And if you don't want it then set Dir::Etc::sourceparts /dev/null; or similar. .oO( Unless evil software overrides that again in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/ :) MfG Goswin -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/87pqub7dbx@frosties.localnet
Re: How to add dependencies that exist in another repository
Andreas Tille andr...@an3as.eu writes: On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 10:35:34AM +0100, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: I have a package my-apt-config that installs the gpg key for the local repository, a /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ file, /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/ file and /etc/apt/preferences.d/ file with all the right settings for me. I completely agree but did not managed to get /etc/apt/preferences.d/ working as expected. Did I missed a piece of documentation or can you provide any working example. Kind regards Andreas. I just placed a file ther for pining like this: m...@frosties:~% cat /etc/apt/preferences.d/pin Package: * Pin: release v=666.0,o=Debian,a=unstable,n=sid,l=Debian,c=main Pin-Priority: 666 m...@frosties:~% apt-cache policy Package files: 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status release a=now 666 http://chocos/debian/ sid/main amd64 Packages release v=666.0,o=Debian,a=unstable,n=sid,l=Debian,c=main origin chocos Pinned packages: MfG Goswin -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/87tyjn7dlp@frosties.localnet
Re: How to add dependencies that exist in another repository
Reza Alemi alemi.r...@gmail.com writes: Hello all, I don't seem to be able to find my answer searching the net, so please forgive me if my question is too trivial. I am packaging a product which is dependent on sun-java6-sdk (upstream says it won't work with openjdk). in ubuntu, that package is in the partner repository which I can get user consent to add, using debconf. in shell, I would normally do an add-apt-repository for the repository and then an apt-get update before I can install the sun-java6-sdk package. my question is, can I do something like that in my own install scripts? can I run add-apt-repository and apt-get update while the package is being installed? won't it break if the package is installed with aptitude or dpkg an on debian instead of ubunut? Thank you, Rex No. It will not work: 1) While you install apt holds the lock so you can't just call apt-get update. 2) The user might not be using apt. There are alternatives. 3) Your package depends on sun-java6-sdk. It won't install without the repository being present. So your script is way to late to add it. 4) Don't just add repositories to the users config. As for working on Ubuntu but not debian you can detect that and only call the ubuntu tools when being installed on ubuntu. MfG Goswin -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/87oc9xiebu@frosties.localnet
Re: How to add dependencies that exist in another repository
PJ Weisberg wrote: Ben Hutchings wrote: Don't even think of doing this in a package uploaded to Debian. Right. I mentioned it mostly for completness, since it's the answer to the question that was actually asked. I almost added, I don't think any Debian packages actually do this, but I've never looked at most of the packages in Debian. :-) Not part of Debian but packaged for it is the KDE 3.x Trinity project. http://trinity.pearsoncomputing.net/ The packages for Debian there add a source.list.d file as you describe. (And it really confused me until I figured out what it had done. And once I realized that it did that I resolved not to use such packages. If they would do that then what other nasty business would they include that I didn't find?) Bob signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: How to add dependencies that exist in another repository
On Wed, 10 Nov 2010, Bob Proulx wrote: The packages for Debian there add a source.list.d file as you describe. (And it really confused me until I figured out what it had Which begs the question: why do we even have source.list.d/ suport in the first place (or, if it is really useful to other users of apt, why is it enabled by default) ? -- One disk to rule them all, One disk to find them. One disk to bring them all and in the darkness grind them. In the Land of Redmond where the shadows lie. -- The Silicon Valley Tarot Henrique Holschuh -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20101110185048.ga7...@khazad-dum.debian.net
Re: How to add dependencies that exist in another repository
On Wed, 10 Nov 2010, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote: On Wed, 10 Nov 2010, Bob Proulx wrote: The packages for Debian there add a source.list.d file as you describe. (And it really confused me until I figured out what it had Which begs the question: why do we even have source.list.d/ suport in the first place (or, if it is really useful to other users of apt, why is it enabled by default) ? Answering my own question: it was done in response to a valid request for an include directive for sources.list. See #66325, which asks for, and provides reasonable reasons for a include directive... but people got sources.list.d/ instead, which is a lot more difficult to keep wraps on. -- One disk to rule them all, One disk to find them. One disk to bring them all and in the darkness grind them. In the Land of Redmond where the shadows lie. -- The Silicon Valley Tarot Henrique Holschuh -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20101110185734.gb7...@khazad-dum.debian.net
Re: How to add dependencies that exist in another repository
On Wed, Nov 10, 2010 at 19:57, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh h...@debian.org wrote: On Wed, 10 Nov 2010, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote: On Wed, 10 Nov 2010, Bob Proulx wrote: The packages for Debian there add a source.list.d file as you describe. (And it really confused me until I figured out what it had Which begs the question: why do we even have source.list.d/ suport in the first place (or, if it is really useful to other users of apt, why is it enabled by default) ? Answering my own question: it was done in response to a valid request for an include directive for sources.list. See #66325, which asks for, and provides reasonable reasons for a include directive... but people got sources.list.d/ instead, which is a lot more difficult to keep wraps on. Working with files is easier for a user (or an application working on request for the user) to handle than modifying a single file to include/remove specific sources entries - at least in my eyes. And in comparison: what about e.g. /etc/ssl/certs ? If you want to inject something, you can do it both ways - and after all I can do a lot more in maintainer scripts than adding a sources.list entry, so mysteriously added sources.list entries are not a disease (or a misfeature of APT to allow it) but a symptom of the widespread disease of trusting random packages from an unknown sources… Best regards David Kalnischkies (with his APT hat speaking) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/aanlktik-=gtivtwfqc3dunpv3hrxsd-k-b52hsunr...@mail.gmail.com
Re: How to add dependencies that exist in another repository
On Wed, Nov 10, 2010 at 04:50:49PM -0200, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote: On Wed, 10 Nov 2010, Bob Proulx wrote: The packages for Debian there add a source.list.d file as you describe. (And it really confused me until I figured out what it had Which begs the question: why do we even have source.list.d/ suport in the first place (or, if it is really useful to other users of apt, why is it enabled by default) ? - An organisation/site with a private repository or mirror can provide the configuration for this as a package or preinstalled file without interfering with per-machine configuration - Non-Debian packages (such as Chrome) can integrate with the usual update mechanisms rather than reinventing this wheel - Mobile users can enable and disable sources in different locations just by renaming the files (this is now less important thanks to cdn.debian.net, though that is not yet an official service) Ben. -- Ben Hutchings We get into the habit of living before acquiring the habit of thinking. - Albert Camus -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20101110220436.gg31...@decadent.org.uk
Re: How to add dependencies that exist in another repository
On Mon, 2010-11-08 at 09:14 -0800, Reza Alemi wrote: Hello all, I don't seem to be able to find my answer searching the net, so please forgive me if my question is too trivial. I am packaging a product which is dependent on sun-java6-sdk (upstream says it won't work with openjdk). in ubuntu, that package is in the partner repository which I can get user consent to add, using debconf. in shell, I would normally do an add-apt-repository for the repository and then an apt-get update before I can install the sun-java6-sdk package. my question is, can I do something like that in my own install scripts? can I run add-apt-repository and apt-get update while the package is being installed? won't it break if the package is installed with aptitude or dpkg an on debian instead of ubunut? Thank you, Rex The bullet-points: - sun-java6-sdk is in non-free, so this is a non-issue for you if your package is in contrib (since no one enables contrib but not non-free). - Your package can't be in main, because packages in main aren't allowed to depend on any packages that aren't in main. - The package manager won't even try to install your package or run any of your scripts if you depend on anything that isn't *already* in a repository that's enabled. - It *is* possible to add repositories when you install your package. Google does this in the *.deb files it distributes so that the package manager can find newer versions. If you have a reason to do this (which you almost certainly don't), you should add some file to /etc/apt/sources.list.d/, which you can delete when your package is purged from the system. Don't do anything that would make it difficult to know whether the repository was added by your package, another package, or the user. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/aanlktindyth99tsvxl-johuwnzxztf=znsiv0clpz...@mail.gmail.com
Re: How to add dependencies that exist in another repository
On Tue, 09 Nov 2010, PJ Weisberg wrote: - It *is* possible to add repositories when you install your package. I'm pretty sure we probably wouldn't want any package in Debian do that tho. -- | .''`. ** Debian GNU/Linux ** Peter Palfrader | : :' : The universal http://www.palfrader.org/ | `. `' Operating System | `-http://www.debian.org/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20101109234228.gc10...@anguilla.noreply.org
Re: How to add dependencies that exist in another repository
On Tue, 2010-11-09 at 14:48 -0800, PJ Weisberg wrote: [...] - It *is* possible to add repositories when you install your package. Google does this in the *.deb files it distributes so that the package manager can find newer versions. If you have a reason to do this (which you almost certainly don't), you should add some file to /etc/apt/sources.list.d/, which you can delete when your package is purged from the system. Don't do anything that would make it difficult to know whether the repository was added by your package, another package, or the user. Don't even think of doing this in a package uploaded to Debian. Ben. -- Ben Hutchings Once a job is fouled up, anything done to improve it makes it worse. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: How to add dependencies that exist in another repository
On 11/9/10, Ben Hutchings b...@decadent.org.uk wrote: Don't even think of doing this in a package uploaded to Debian. Right. I mentioned it mostly for completness, since it's the answer to the question that was actually asked. I almost added, I don't think any Debian packages actually do this, but I've never looked at most of the packages in Debian. :-) -PJ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/aanlktimuqkw1cedca=fyprzyemgxzdjkbkeh2zsay...@mail.gmail.com
Re: How to add dependencies that exist in another repository
Hi Rex, In my opinion a more appropriate place for you question would be the Debian mentors list. This list is more meant for Debian development. I have cc'ed it as such. Why do you need to do anything above the normal for this. The package sun-java6-jdk exists in the Debian non-free repository. Just add the dependency as normal. You package will be restricted to the contrib section though (if it is free, if not non-free) as it depends on a non-free package. Chris On Mon, 2010-11-08 at 09:14 -0800, Reza Alemi wrote: Hello all, I don't seem to be able to find my answer searching the net, so please forgive me if my question is too trivial. I am packaging a product which is dependent on sun-java6-sdk (upstream says it won't work with openjdk). in ubuntu, that package is in the partner repository which I can get user consent to add, using debconf. in shell, I would normally do an add-apt-repository for the repository and then an apt-get update before I can install the sun-java6-sdk package. my question is, can I do something like that in my own install scripts? can I run add-apt-repository and apt-get update while the package is being installed? won't it break if the package is installed with aptitude or dpkg an on debian instead of ubunut? Thank you, Rex signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
