Re: Hysterical Onanistic ITP's (was: ITP: Country Codes)

1999-09-26 Thread Branden Robinson
On Sun, Sep 26, 1999 at 02:21:52PM +0900, Keita Maehara wrote:
> Country Codes is not a program developed by a Japanese programmer.  I
> used "jp" just as an example.  I hope someone won't call you "some
> kind of cultural chauvinist" :).

Okay, then feel free to heap all my scorn and derision on whoever deserves
it.  I'm an equal-opportunity jerk, and I pay no heed to anyone's
nationality, race, creed, color or religion.  :)

In my own defense, I do remember some package straight from the Debian-JP
project with a textual output format that made me recoil in horror.  I
didn't speak up about it at the time and of course I can't remember what it
was now.

> > I really wish we could get this psychotic ITP obsessiveness under control.
> 
> Perhaps it should be under some kind of control, but I don't know
> that's a good idea or not.  Currently we have only a rough, or natural
> consensus.

Well, we do see lots of ITP's with only a day or two's notice before upload
to the archives.  The Debian-JP team are hardly the only ones guilty of
that, though.  (On the other end of the spectrum are the people who post
ITP's before they've even *started* work on a package, and it is literally
months before it ever shows up.)

Perhaps we should start an informal mechanism of "seconding" ITP's?

Give a package a week or so to garner three "seconds".  A heck of a lot of
people read -devel and it shouldn't be hard for truly useful packages to
muster that relatively small amount of support.

> There might be a strong objection from others too, so I'll withdraw
> this ITP for now, not because it's useless but I have much more work
> (not so much as you though) to do for Debian other than flamewar.
> 
> Finally, from upstream README:
> 
> |   I am lazy to hold all the ISO 3166 in my mind, or to grep it from a file,
> |   it's too much work :)

It is so darn easy to grep /usr/share/zoneinfo/iso3166.tab that I must take
exception to that reasoning.

I can understand someone not wanting to type all that, but it would really
be cake to write a shell alias or function that can accomplish the same
thing.

iso3166 () {
  grep -i ^$1 /usr/share/zoneinfo/iso3166.tab;
}

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Re: Hysterical Onanistic ITP's (was: ITP: Country Codes)

1999-09-26 Thread Darren O. Benham
Personally, I was looking forward to this program...

On Sun, Sep 26, 1999 at 02:21:52PM +0900, Keita Maehara wrote:
> There might be a strong objection from others too, so I'll withdraw
> this ITP for now, not because it's useless but I have much more work
> (not so much as you though) to do for Debian other than flamewar.
> 

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Re: Hysterical Onanistic ITP's (was: ITP: Country Codes)

1999-09-26 Thread Keita Maehara
From: Branden Robinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Hysterical Onanistic ITP's (was: ITP: Country Codes)
Date: Sat, 25 Sep 1999 23:14:02 -0400

> At the risk of starting another flamewar or being called some kind of
> cultural chauvinist, this isn't the first program I've seen from .jp that
> has big flaws like this.  Many Japanese programmers seem to be utterly
> unaware of many of the Unix idioms, reinventing the wheel over and over
> again, and usually with ugly output formats (to spread blame a little more
> evenly, dpkg -l is just as awful in this regard and I really hope our
> Japanese brethren aren't using it as an example).

Country Codes is not a program developed by a Japanese programmer.  I
used "jp" just as an example.  I hope someone won't call you "some
kind of cultural chauvinist" :).

> I really wish we could get this psychotic ITP obsessiveness under control.

Perhaps it should be under some kind of control, but I don't know
that's a good idea or not.  Currently we have only a rough, or natural
consensus.

There might be a strong objection from others too, so I'll withdraw
this ITP for now, not because it's useless but I have much more work
(not so much as you though) to do for Debian other than flamewar.

Finally, from upstream README:

|   I am lazy to hold all the ISO 3166 in my mind, or to grep it from a file,
|   it's too much work :)

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